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Aspiration Not Standard Practice w/Covid Vaxxes? (1 Viewer)

LawFitz

LawFitz

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https://youtu.be/D6hUoosMOuU

Is this true? Are vax administrators really being instructed not to aspirate with Covid vaxxes? Can any medical professionals here corroborate or refute in your own practice?

If true, this is beyond a WTF moment. It could explain why certain people are experiencing wild side effects, with the vax then moving around the circulatory system.

(FYI - aspiration means drawing in a bit first after piercing the needle, before pushing the vax thru the skin, to make sure no blood draws. Blood being drawn would indicate that a blood vessel has been pierced, rather than just muscle. Piercing a blood vessel could/would send the vax throughout the body. My loose understanding - please correct/clarify if I have that materially wrong.)

 
LawFitz said:
https://youtu.be/D6hUoosMOuU

Is this true? Are vax administrators really being instructed not to aspirate with Covid vaxxes? Can any medical professionals here corroborate or refute in your own practice?

If true, this is beyond a WTF moment. It could explain why certain people are experiencing wild side effects, with the vax then moving around the circulatory system.

(FYI - aspiration means drawing in a bit first after piercing the needle, before pushing the vax thru the skin, to make sure no blood draws. Blood being drawn would indicate that a blood vessel has been pierced, rather than just muscle. Piercing a blood vessel could/would send the vax throughout the body. My loose understanding - please correct/clarify if I have that materially wrong.)
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The answer is no.

 
The Infectious Diseases Society of America states that the World Health Organization and CDC no longer recommend aspiration of syringe plunger during intramuscular injections. The best practice is not to aspirate.

"You can see where people want to connect the dots and say 'as an extra layer of protection, I want them to pull back on the plunger not to hit any blood vessels.' Guess what? There are no major blood vessels there. If that was the case, we would do blood draws from there and we don't do that with patients in the hospital," Gastaldo explains, adding, "We have given over 440 million doses of these vaccines. If there was an issue of us giving a vaccine into the deltoid, we would have known it by now."

 
Amused to Death said:
The Infectious Diseases Society of America states that the World Health Organization and CDC no longer recommend aspiration of syringe plunger during intramuscular injections. The best practice is not to aspirate.

"You can see where people want to connect the dots and say 'as an extra layer of protection, I want them to pull back on the plunger not to hit any blood vessels.' Guess what? There are no major blood vessels there. If that was the case, we would do blood draws from there and we don't do that with patients in the hospital," Gastaldo explains, adding, "We have given over 440 million doses of these vaccines. If there was an issue of us giving a vaccine into the deltoid, we would have known it by now."
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The correct information is always out there...the misinformation is just everywhere however.

 
If you're afraid of getting it in the shoulder due to possibly hitting a blood vessel, could you just ask to get it in a butt cheek?

 
Amused to Death said:
Yes, the infectious disease expert is wrong. And the global conspiracy deepens. Good work.
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Read his quote again. What I pointed out was fair critique. But for you his word seems to be the end all. That is how dogma works and it is dangerous to operate that way. Science is ever evolving, despite what they have convinced you.

 
One aspect of the pandemic that I complain about sometimes is that I didn't have time in my career/life to becoming at all even slightly knowledgeable on basically a completely brand new subject. It's been a black hole of time and brain resources that I just didn't have available to give. I curse the pandemic for this.

So thanks Covid for adding yet another thing I would never have thought I needed to dedicate even one brain cell to in my lifetime: the freaking proper aspiration of a vaccine injection.

 
Stealthycat said:
not a mistake in 440 million 

does anyone believe that ? really ?
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Dude, they've already established that they don't think aspiration is necessary b/c lack of the practice didn't lead to problems when administering traditional vaxxes (which, oh btw, don't turn your cells into Spike-protein factories). Didn't you see the memo upthread. It's just science, man. Trust the scientist above who used that exact comparative logic.

 
just sayin 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15208593/

Fifty-eight percent of responders reported an event in which a patient had received an injection meant for another patient. Seventy-four percent of responders reported that patients had received an incorrect amount of vaccine

mistakes happen .... a quick google will show instances of wrong vaccines given etc as well

so, in 400,000,000 not one shot has been given incorrectly .... sorry, I don't buy it

 
Stealthycat said:
just sayin 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15208593/

Fifty-eight percent of responders reported an event in which a patient had received an injection meant for another patient. Seventy-four percent of responders reported that patients had received an incorrect amount of vaccine

mistakes happen .... a quick google will show instances of wrong vaccines given etc as well

so, in 400,000,000 not one shot has been given incorrectly .... sorry, I don't buy it
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It's not even a mistake. They aren't actively instructing vax administrators to aspirate. And using incredibly questionable logic to support that stance. Meanwhile you have dogmatic worshippers of the 'science' unable to even see, yet less remotely question the faults in the asserted logic.

 
Here's the really sad part...

What *IF* bad and/or lack of aspiration procedure is actually the root cause of the Covid vax injuries that are happening? Wouldn't it be a good idea to explore the topic as a society to prove or disprove? If it were to prove causal, it would be a simple fix that could perhaps materially ease vax hesitancy. Isn't that what so many of you want? And yet you guys can't/won't even consider this topic or any others simply b/c you refuse to concede that *some* people have been harmed. For some of you it appears a political thing, others ego, others are just plain stubborn goats. Either way, this impasse is tearing us all apart and doing much more harm than Covid itself. Wake up and recognize that fact.

We need to a. acknowledge that a material amount of people are being harmed; and b. figure out why asap. We can do b. if we can just admit to and stop tribalizing a.

 
do you believe every conspiracy theory needs to be investigated as if it has merit?  it sure seems like you spend time searching the dustbins of the internet and then acting as if you've identified a legitimate concern without doing the brief research it would take to dismiss these fringe theories.   

have you noticed that nobody is buying what you're selling?  you start multiple threads based on ridiculous conspiracies, and every time the response is the same.   no, people aren't going to waste their time investigating this stuff, other than maybe a brief search that easily shows how dumb these things are that you keep posting.   that's not tribalism; it's discernment.   you should try to develop some.

 
LawFitz said:
Please expound with your medical background.
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What medical background would be sufficient to allay your concerns?

On a related note, what medical background allows you you to discern relevant vaccine information?

 
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KarmaPolice said:
CletiusMaximus said:
If you're afraid of getting it in the shoulder due to possibly hitting a blood vessel, could you just ask to get it in a butt cheek?
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Buddy, if you are asking, you are doing it wrong.  ;)     

:droptrou:
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Well, step aside my friend
I been doing it for years
I say, sit on down, open your eyes
And open up your ears
Say, put an alto sax, in your butt
Put an aspirated vax, in your butthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07P538K83iU

 
Terminalxylem said:
What medical background would be sufficient to allay your concerns?

On a related note, what medical background allows you you to discern relevant vaccine information?
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Even better for me is if this board is really the place to prove or disprove medical info.  Seems there may be a better way. 

 
supermike80 said:
Even better for me is if this board is really the place to prove or disprove medical info.  Seems there may be a better way. 
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I didn't start the thread, but assume it was done to promote discussion :shrug:  There are a bunch of other topics people opine upon without special expertise, so why should medical topics be any different?

 
Terminalxylem said:
I didn't start the thread, but assume it was done to promote discussion :shrug:  There are a bunch of other topics people opine upon without special expertise, so why should medical topics be any different?
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Oh totally agree.  Why not.  Everyone here seems to be the smartest people anywhere

 
supermike80 said:
Oh totally agree.  Why not.  Everyone here seems to be the smartest people anywhere
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Well, there has to be a smartest corner of the internet, right? Why not FBG.com?

Seriously though, there are some pretty knowledgeable posters here. And some of them might even have expertise in the subject matter they post about.

 
Aspiration is not taught in any vaccination classes because it’s not needed for the vaccinations we give. Most people will not even know what you’re asking.

You’re seeking answers for ‘wild side effects’ that aren’t actually occurring using reasoning that you don’t understand because someone posted about it online.

FYI I’d say that 90% of vaccination I give do not even cause bleeding, we’re not hitting blood vessels.

 
Stealthycat said:
Amused to Death said:
"We have given over 440 million doses of these vaccines. If there was an issue of us giving a vaccine into the deltoid, we would have known it by now."
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Dickies said:
Who is saying that?
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I'm not following you.  It seems he was saying that there is no evidence of any issues with the specific practice of giving a vaccine into the deltoid.  Are you interpreting that as a claim that there have been no general mistakes at all in the administering of the vaccines?

 
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