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For the record, I'm so excited to start that I've actually contemplated not drinking tonight and coming home relatively early to start playing...anyone who knows me knows thats pretty crazy for me.I'm going to try to get off to a great start and get maybe 5000 or so points in each of the first few days.
don't burn yourself out dude. still go out and have fun and do the other things that you love.
 
Its 2:15, I just woke up, a bit hungover, gonna start playing soon.
Let's do this. You gonna join me on the $6 Turbo NL SNG's? :D By the way, I thought SNG's were your thing? Why the switch to NL ring games? Did you switch because you just felt like they would be the most profitable?
I'm guessing it's for the FPPs.
You can actually make a ton of FPPs from the sit n gos. I've just gradually started to like them less and less. I came up in poker by playing them, and I only played them and MTTs for about 2 years. But I think that there is a limit on how good you can get at them. Theres not a lot of creativity in playing. And at the higher levels pretty much everyone plays CLOSE to optimally now. Many on 2p2 don't believe the $200 turbos on Stars are even beatable anymore- we're just all paying rake and taking turns exchanging money back and forth. I've grown tired of the variance of them as well. I think that ring games are a lot better for me right now. I'll still be playing MTTs though, as the play in those is still horrible imo even at the highest of levels.
 
For the record, I'm so excited to start that I've actually contemplated not drinking tonight and coming home relatively early to start playing...anyone who knows me knows thats pretty crazy for me.I'm going to try to get off to a great start and get maybe 5000 or so points in each of the first few days.
don't burn yourself out dude. still go out and have fun and do the other things that you love.
meh....I've had fun for the past few years. I'm 24 year old, and if I'm still grinding things out in a few years I'll be very disappointed in myself...its time to make some moves and put in some hard work.
 
I think I've overestimated a bit the amount of VPPs I'd be able to earn at $1/2. I'm still going to make the 3000/day here, but 5000 is pretty insane. I think that I'm quickly going to have to move up limits if I want to have to make things easier on myself, but I'm going to stick to my $10,000 promise.

I've decided to play in 2 hour sessions and then take a break. Hopefully I'll do AT LEAST 4 sessions every day and many times more. With 10 tabling its hard for me to play much longer than 2 hours at a time without starting to become mentally drained.

 
I'm going to try to set some modest goals for 2007:

1) Become less obsessed with stacking everyone at the table. I have a burning desire to play big pots. I look for the hands that can rake in a huge pot and overplay them.

2) Fold my BB more. I know there are some big-time defenders in the world. I may be No. 1. If you try to steal my BB, be prepared to see a flop.

 
Damn, I just played one hand really poorly. I had JQ and flopped the nut straight(89T flop). Got about 1/2 my stack in before the river. Turn and river went runner runner to pair the board and he pushed the river. Now he had raised to $10 preflop after there were 3 limpers so I put him on a higher PP or a AK type hand, so I thought he might have been bluffing(there was a flush draw that missed) and I called. Of course he had the 99 and stacked me....really bad call.

But I'm up overall a few hundred, and as I was typing this I had this hand:

PokerStars Game #7716342036: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/01/01 - 18:10:48 (ET)

Table 'Heidelberga II' 9-max Seat #8 is the button

Seat 1: mtnbiker404 ($396.95 in chips)

Seat 2: yuestud ($117.65 in chips)

Seat 3: ozziety4 ($60.50 in chips)

Seat 5: dbvegas ($221.85 in chips)

Seat 6: jwvdcw ($330.55 in chips)

Seat 7: shermanash ($369.80 in chips)

Seat 8: Re-Phil66 ($245.40 in chips)

Seat 9: oshan2 ($195.60 in chips)

oshan2: posts small blind $1

mtnbiker404: posts big blind $2

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to jwvdcw [Jc Js]

yuestud: folds

ozziety4: folds

dbvegas: raises $6 to $8

jwvdcw: calls $8

yuestud leaves the table

shermanash: folds

Re-Phil66: folds

JCC6603 has returned

oshan2: folds

mtnbiker404: folds

*** FLOP *** [5h 5d Jh]

dbvegas: bets $18

jwvdcw: raises $22 to $40

dbvegas: calls $22

*** TURN *** [5h 5d Jh] [3d]

dbvegas: checks

jwvdcw: bets $30

dbvegas: calls $30

*** RIVER *** [5h 5d Jh 3d] [2c]

dbvegas: checks

jwvdcw: bets $252.55 and is all-in

dbvegas: calls $143.85 and is all-in

*** SHOW DOWN ***

jwvdcw: shows [Jc Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Fives)

dbvegas: mucks hand

jwvdcw collected $443.70 from pot

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $446.70 | Rake $3

Board [5h 5d Jh 3d 2c]

Seat 1: mtnbiker404 (big blind) folded before Flop

Seat 2: yuestud folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 3: ozziety4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 5: dbvegas mucked [Qd Qh]

Seat 6: jwvdcw showed [Jc Js] and won ($443.70) with a full house, Jacks full of Fives

Seat 7: shermanash folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 8: Re-Phil66 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Seat 9: oshan2 (small blind) folded before Flop

I'm actually up close to $500 now on the day, so things are going well. Only have about 1200 VPPs though....still a lot more playing to do. This really is going to take a lot of effort to maintain the pace every day for an entire year.

 
Damn, I just played one hand really poorly. I had JQ and flopped the nut straight(89T flop). Got about 1/2 my stack in before the river. Turn and river went runner runner to pair the board and he pushed the river. Now he had raised to $10 preflop after there were 3 limpers so I put him on a higher PP or a AK type hand, so I thought he might have been bluffing(there was a flush draw that missed) and I called. Of course he had the 99 and stacked me....really bad call.But I'm up overall a few hundred, and as I was typing this I had this hand:PokerStars Game #7716342036: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/01/01 - 18:10:48 (ET)Table 'Heidelberga II' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: mtnbiker404 ($396.95 in chips) Seat 2: yuestud ($117.65 in chips) Seat 3: ozziety4 ($60.50 in chips) Seat 5: dbvegas ($221.85 in chips) Seat 6: jwvdcw ($330.55 in chips) Seat 7: shermanash ($369.80 in chips) Seat 8: Re-Phil66 ($245.40 in chips) Seat 9: oshan2 ($195.60 in chips) oshan2: posts small blind $1mtnbiker404: posts big blind $2*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jwvdcw [Jc Js]yuestud: folds ozziety4: folds dbvegas: raises $6 to $8jwvdcw: calls $8yuestud leaves the tableshermanash: folds Re-Phil66: folds JCC6603 has returnedoshan2: folds mtnbiker404: folds *** FLOP *** [5h 5d Jh]dbvegas: bets $18jwvdcw: raises $22 to $40dbvegas: calls $22*** TURN *** [5h 5d Jh] [3d]dbvegas: checks jwvdcw: bets $30dbvegas: calls $30*** RIVER *** [5h 5d Jh 3d] [2c]dbvegas: checks jwvdcw: bets $252.55 and is all-indbvegas: calls $143.85 and is all-in*** SHOW DOWN ***jwvdcw: shows [Jc Js] (a full house, Jacks full of Fives)dbvegas: mucks hand jwvdcw collected $443.70 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $446.70 | Rake $3 Board [5h 5d Jh 3d 2c]Seat 1: mtnbiker404 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: yuestud folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: ozziety4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: dbvegas mucked [Qd Qh]Seat 6: jwvdcw showed [Jc Js] and won ($443.70) with a full house, Jacks full of FivesSeat 7: shermanash folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Re-Phil66 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: oshan2 (small blind) folded before FlopI'm actually up close to $500 now on the day, so things are going well. Only have about 1200 VPPs though....still a lot more playing to do. This really is going to take a lot of effort to maintain the pace every day for an entire year.
Aside from the hand, great to see you with so much money at the start of the hand. I love have 150 or so BBs with mostly everyone else at ~100. People will fear you.
 
Interesting day yesterday. I "hit a wall" about 1/2 way through the day and started playing uncharacteristically badly . It was weird- I've never really played so much that it made me play like that. Anyway that coupled with not placing in the $162 Nightly MTT had me losing on the day after being up over $450 at one point.

I was determined to not have a losing day on my very first day. So I stayed up until 5:30 in the morning. I was going to play until I was winning on the day, and after playing more poker that I ever have before in one day I finally achieved that.

And as I said earlier, I way overestimated the ease of earning VPPs. I played over 10,000 hands just to earn these ~4400 VPPs yesterday. But as I move up from $1/2 later on in the year things should only get easier.

January 1(Day 1)

Ring Game: +$182.40

Tournaments: -$162

Total: +$20.40

VPPs: 4418

Running Totals

Ring Game: +$182.40

Tournaments: -$162

Total: +$20.40

VPPs: 4418

 
Interesting day yesterday. I "hit a wall" about 1/2 way through the day and started playing uncharacteristically badly . It was weird- I've never really played so much that it made me play like that. Anyway that coupled with not placing in the $162 Nightly MTT had me losing on the day after being up over $450 at one point. I was determined to not have a losing day on my very first day. So I stayed up until 5:30 in the morning. I was going to play until I was winning on the day, and after playing more poker that I ever have before in one day I finally achieved that. And as I said earlier, I way overestimated the ease of earning VPPs. I played over 10,000 hands just to earn these ~4400 VPPs yesterday. But as I move up from $1/2 later on in the year things should only get easier.January 1(Day 1)Ring Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418Running TotalsRing Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418
How many hours did you play?
 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.

 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.
:cry:
 
I currently get 3.5 FPPs for every VPP I earn because of my SuperNova status(it would be 5 for every 1 if I were already SuperNova Elite). So if I attain my goal I'll have earned 3.5 million FPPs. I'll use 250,000 of them for those special bonuses above and the rest I'll use towards $3000 gift cards. That will earn me approx. $75,000.
Why not use 3 million for this?
 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.
I understand your reasoning, but I believe that I have the ability to honestly AND accurately assess whether or not I'm playing winning poker at any given time, and when I was trying to get back to even late last night I was indeed playing winning poker. If I was winning all along, I probably would've quit before earning those last 1000 or so VPPs, but driving to win on the day pushed me to keep playing. As long as I'm playing winning poker, anything that motivates me to play more is a good thing imo.
 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.
I understand your reasoning, but I believe that I have the ability to honestly AND accurately assess whether or not I'm playing winning poker at any given time, and when I was trying to get back to even late last night I was indeed playing winning poker. If I was winning all along, I probably would've quit before earning those last 1000 or so VPPs, but driving to win on the day pushed me to keep playing. As long as I'm playing winning poker, anything that motivates me to play more is a good thing imo.
Assani, Do you want my voice of reason on this one, or would you prefer that I remain :bye:
 
I currently get 3.5 FPPs for every VPP I earn because of my SuperNova status(it would be 5 for every 1 if I were already SuperNova Elite). So if I attain my goal I'll have earned 3.5 million FPPs. I'll use 250,000 of them for those special bonuses above and the rest I'll use towards $3000 gift cards. That will earn me approx. $75,000.
Why not use 3 million for this?
1. I'll have to pay taxes on it, and avoiding taxes is one of the main incentives of the $3000 gift cards2. Thats a luxury for me right now, and I don't have the bankroll to be splurging on luxuries.

3. I may move cross country in 2008, so I want to wait before buying a new car.

 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.
I understand your reasoning, but I believe that I have the ability to honestly AND accurately assess whether or not I'm playing winning poker at any given time, and when I was trying to get back to even late last night I was indeed playing winning poker. If I was winning all along, I probably would've quit before earning those last 1000 or so VPPs, but driving to win on the day pushed me to keep playing. As long as I'm playing winning poker, anything that motivates me to play more is a good thing imo.
Assani, Do you want my voice of reason on this one, or would you prefer that I remain :bye:
I always appriciate any advice.
 
I currently get 3.5 FPPs for every VPP I earn because of my SuperNova status(it would be 5 for every 1 if I were already SuperNova Elite). So if I attain my goal I'll have earned 3.5 million FPPs. I'll use 250,000 of them for those special bonuses above and the rest I'll use towards $3000 gift cards. That will earn me approx. $75,000.
Why not use 3 million for this?
1. I'll have to pay taxes on it, and avoiding taxes is one of the main incentives of the $3000 gift cards2. Thats a luxury for me right now, and I don't have the bankroll to be splurging on luxuries.

3. I may move cross country in 2008, so I want to wait before buying a new car.
4. That would be so ####ing sweet though.
 
I currently get 3.5 FPPs for every VPP I earn because of my SuperNova status(it would be 5 for every 1 if I were already SuperNova Elite). So if I attain my goal I'll have earned 3.5 million FPPs. I'll use 250,000 of them for those special bonuses above and the rest I'll use towards $3000 gift cards. That will earn me approx. $75,000.
Why not use 3 million for this?
1. I'll have to pay taxes on it, and avoiding taxes is one of the main incentives of the $3000 gift cards2. Thats a luxury for me right now, and I don't have the bankroll to be splurging on luxuries.

3. I may move cross country in 2008, so I want to wait before buying a new car.
4. That would be so ####ing sweet though.
:bye: Maybe after I move I'll consider getting that or the Aston Martin
 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.
I understand your reasoning, but I believe that I have the ability to honestly AND accurately assess whether or not I'm playing winning poker at any given time, and when I was trying to get back to even late last night I was indeed playing winning poker. If I was winning all along, I probably would've quit before earning those last 1000 or so VPPs, but driving to win on the day pushed me to keep playing. As long as I'm playing winning poker, anything that motivates me to play more is a good thing imo.
Assani, Do you want my voice of reason on this one, or would you prefer that I remain :goodposting:
Just my conservative rant here, but although you may very well have the ability to assess your playing state (winning or losing), will you always be right about that? And, more importantly, will you always be able to act accurately?I still sense you were chasing last night, and are just not able to recognize a potential ***** in your armour to achieve your goals.Assani, your poker skills are top shelf, my human nature skills are pretty solid, so maybe I can help.And, if you think I am way off, honestly answer this question.Have you consistently quit playing when you are winning big, when during that winning rush you determine you are not playing winning poker at the time, and consistenly quit playing at that moment?I mean if you truly can bypass all the normal human emotional cloudiness that goes on when gambling, and can somehow accurately and objectively assess when you are not playing winning poker, it stands to reason that this inflection point can occur when you are up huge, up some, even, down some, or down huge. If not, then I think you are subject to something we all are, gambler's rush when winning, and gambler's chase when losing.My honest feedback is I think you were chasing, and I think you need to improve in this area if you are going to reach your poker potential.Just my two cents....... Again, I really want to see that post at the end of the year with the great results!
 
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I currently get 3.5 FPPs for every VPP I earn because of my SuperNova status(it would be 5 for every 1 if I were already SuperNova Elite). So if I attain my goal I'll have earned 3.5 million FPPs. I'll use 250,000 of them for those special bonuses above and the rest I'll use towards $3000 gift cards. That will earn me approx. $75,000.
Why not use 3 million for this?
I read a story late last year about a dude in Europe that won one of these with his FPPs. Was a big story in Stars about it.Sweet stuff!

 
Interesting day yesterday. I "hit a wall" about 1/2 way through the day and started playing uncharacteristically badly . It was weird- I've never really played so much that it made me play like that. Anyway that coupled with not placing in the $162 Nightly MTT had me losing on the day after being up over $450 at one point. I was determined to not have a losing day on my very first day. So I stayed up until 5:30 in the morning. I was going to play until I was winning on the day, and after playing more poker that I ever have before in one day I finally achieved that. And as I said earlier, I way overestimated the ease of earning VPPs. I played over 10,000 hands just to earn these ~4400 VPPs yesterday. But as I move up from $1/2 later on in the year things should only get easier.January 1(Day 1)Ring Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418Running TotalsRing Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418
uh, not to rain on your parade, but isn't 5:30 a.m. technically the NEXT day? lol. good luck.
 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.
I understand your reasoning, but I believe that I have the ability to honestly AND accurately assess whether or not I'm playing winning poker at any given time, and when I was trying to get back to even late last night I was indeed playing winning poker. If I was winning all along, I probably would've quit before earning those last 1000 or so VPPs, but driving to win on the day pushed me to keep playing. As long as I'm playing winning poker, anything that motivates me to play more is a good thing imo.
Assani, Do you want my voice of reason on this one, or would you prefer that I remain :ph34r:
Just my conservative rant here, but although you may very well have the ability to assess your playing state (winning or losing), will you always be right about that? And, more importantly, will you always be able to act accurately?I still sense you were chasing last night, and are just not able to recognize a potential ***** in your armour to achieve your goals.Assani, your poker skills are top shelf, my human nature skills are pretty solid, so maybe I can help.And, if you think I am way off, honestly answer this question.Have you consistently quit playing when you are winning big, when during that winning rush you determine you are not playing winning poker at the time, and consistenly quit playing at that moment?I mean if you truly can bypass all the normal human emotional cloudiness that goes on when gambling, and can somehow accurately and objectively assess when you are not playing winning poker, it stands to reason that this inflection point can occur when you are up huge, up some, even, down some, or down huge. If not, then I think you are subject to something we all are, gambler's rush when winning, and gambler's chase when losing.My honest feedback is I think you were chasing, and I think you need to improve in this area if you are going to reach your poker potential.Just my two cents....... Again, I really want to see that post at the end of the year with the great results!
Have I consistently quit before when playing bad? Not always, although I've improved a ton in this area during my career. As you might expect, I struggled with this as everyone does when I first started. But I think that I have worked hard to improve in all areas, including this one.In fact, as I said earlier- I was indeed playing losing poker for a time yesterday during my losing period. I admitted this in my write-up, I knew it at the time I was playing, and I know it now. I did quickly stop and regroup, but it was too late as I lost $500 or so in a short while.However, when making my late run I in no way felt as if I was playing losing poker. I wasn't taking unecessary chances to get back to even, nor was I gambling and playing ultra-loose. It was around 3AM, and I calmly and rationally decided that I was going to end the day winning even if that meant playing until noon. I can request all of the hand histories from Stars and post them here if you wish...I'm 99.9% certain that I was playing winning poker, and I would definitely admit it if I wasn't, as I've never been scared or embarrassed to post about my failures, which are numerous.I always appriciate your advice, but I must disagree with you that "determined to get my losses back before going to bed" is equal to "playing losing poker." I will agree that it might be for some, but I definitely don't think it is for everyone. Now as I said earlier, I did indeed play poorly for some time yesterday, as I wrote about it my write-up. I am concerned about that, and I am upset with myself for that. If it weren't for that period, I would've easily met my $500 goal on the day. I will agree with you that I have much room for improvement still.
 
Interesting day yesterday. I "hit a wall" about 1/2 way through the day and started playing uncharacteristically badly . It was weird- I've never really played so much that it made me play like that. Anyway that coupled with not placing in the $162 Nightly MTT had me losing on the day after being up over $450 at one point. I was determined to not have a losing day on my very first day. So I stayed up until 5:30 in the morning. I was going to play until I was winning on the day, and after playing more poker that I ever have before in one day I finally achieved that. And as I said earlier, I way overestimated the ease of earning VPPs. I played over 10,000 hands just to earn these ~4400 VPPs yesterday. But as I move up from $1/2 later on in the year things should only get easier.January 1(Day 1)Ring Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418Running TotalsRing Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418
uh, not to rain on your parade, but isn't 5:30 a.m. technically the NEXT day? lol. good luck.
I sleep in very late usually(usually wake up around 1PM or so), so I just count the days by when I wake up and go to bed....its much easier on me to keep stats that way.
 
Interesting day yesterday. I "hit a wall" about 1/2 way through the day and started playing uncharacteristically badly . It was weird- I've never really played so much that it made me play like that. Anyway that coupled with not placing in the $162 Nightly MTT had me losing on the day after being up over $450 at one point. I was determined to not have a losing day on my very first day. So I stayed up until 5:30 in the morning. I was going to play until I was winning on the day, and after playing more poker that I ever have before in one day I finally achieved that. And as I said earlier, I way overestimated the ease of earning VPPs. I played over 10,000 hands just to earn these ~4400 VPPs yesterday. But as I move up from $1/2 later on in the year things should only get easier.January 1(Day 1)Ring Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418Running TotalsRing Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418
uh, not to rain on your parade, but isn't 5:30 a.m. technically the NEXT day? lol. good luck.
I sleep in very late usually(usually wake up around 1PM or so), so I just count the days by when I wake up and go to bed....its much easier on me to keep stats that way.
i'm the same way. i was just busting on you. a serious question though - you say you believe you can $500 a day at $1/$2 NLHE. Is that an average, or is it your goal every day to win $500? i'm just curious what someone who is trying to live off poker money considers a goal and how they approach the day/week.
 
Interesting day yesterday. I "hit a wall" about 1/2 way through the day and started playing uncharacteristically badly . It was weird- I've never really played so much that it made me play like that. Anyway that coupled with not placing in the $162 Nightly MTT had me losing on the day after being up over $450 at one point. I was determined to not have a losing day on my very first day. So I stayed up until 5:30 in the morning. I was going to play until I was winning on the day, and after playing more poker that I ever have before in one day I finally achieved that. And as I said earlier, I way overestimated the ease of earning VPPs. I played over 10,000 hands just to earn these ~4400 VPPs yesterday. But as I move up from $1/2 later on in the year things should only get easier.January 1(Day 1)Ring Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418Running TotalsRing Game: +$182.40Tournaments: -$162Total: +$20.40VPPs: 4418
uh, not to rain on your parade, but isn't 5:30 a.m. technically the NEXT day? lol. good luck.
I sleep in very late usually(usually wake up around 1PM or so), so I just count the days by when I wake up and go to bed....its much easier on me to keep stats that way.
i'm the same way. i was just busting on you. a serious question though - you say you believe you can $500 a day at $1/$2 NLHE. Is that an average, or is it your goal every day to win $500? i'm just curious what someone who is trying to live off poker money considers a goal and how they approach the day/week.
my goal would be to average $500 per day, although I'm off to a very poor start yesterday and today.
 
Sounds like you need discipline, this is only day 1 - wanting to finish ahead or get back to even is the classic gambler's paradox - just take the loss in the future, I know it is tough but I think once you can accept your losses it will help you in the long run. Good luck on your latest quest.
I understand your reasoning, but I believe that I have the ability to honestly AND accurately assess whether or not I'm playing winning poker at any given time, and when I was trying to get back to even late last night I was indeed playing winning poker. If I was winning all along, I probably would've quit before earning those last 1000 or so VPPs, but driving to win on the day pushed me to keep playing. As long as I'm playing winning poker, anything that motivates me to play more is a good thing imo.
Assani, Do you want my voice of reason on this one, or would you prefer that I remain :shrug:
Just my conservative rant here, but although you may very well have the ability to assess your playing state (winning or losing), will you always be right about that? And, more importantly, will you always be able to act accurately?I still sense you were chasing last night, and are just not able to recognize a potential ***** in your armour to achieve your goals.

Assani, your poker skills are top shelf, my human nature skills are pretty solid, so maybe I can help.

And, if you think I am way off, honestly answer this question.

Have you consistently quit playing when you are winning big, when during that winning rush you determine you are not playing winning poker at the time, and consistenly quit playing at that moment?

I mean if you truly can bypass all the normal human emotional cloudiness that goes on when gambling, and can somehow accurately and objectively assess when you are not playing winning poker, it stands to reason that this inflection point can occur when you are up huge, up some, even, down some, or down huge.

If not, then I think you are subject to something we all are, gambler's rush when winning, and gambler's chase when losing.

My honest feedback is I think you were chasing, and I think you need to improve in this area if you are going to reach your poker potential.

Just my two cents....... Again, I really want to see that post at the end of the year with the great results!
Have I consistently quit before when playing bad? Not always, although I've improved a ton in this area during my career. As you might expect, I struggled with this as everyone does when I first started. But I think that I have worked hard to improve in all areas, including this one.In fact, as I said earlier- I was indeed playing losing poker for a time yesterday during my losing period. I admitted this in my write-up, I knew it at the time I was playing, and I know it now. I did quickly stop and regroup, but it was too late as I lost $500 or so in a short while.

However, when making my late run I in no way felt as if I was playing losing poker. I wasn't taking unecessary chances to get back to even, nor was I gambling and playing ultra-loose. It was around 3AM, and I calmly and rationally decided that I was going to end the day winning even if that meant playing until noon. I can request all of the hand histories from Stars and post them here if you wish...I'm 99.9% certain that I was playing winning poker, and I would definitely admit it if I wasn't, as I've never been scared or embarrassed to post about my failures, which are numerous.

I always appriciate your advice, but I must disagree with you that "determined to get my losses back before going to bed" is equal to "playing losing poker." I will agree that it might be for some, but I definitely don't think it is for everyone.

Now as I said earlier, I did indeed play poorly for some time yesterday, as I wrote about it my write-up. I am concerned about that, and I am upset with myself for that. If it weren't for that period, I would've easily met my $500 goal on the day. I will agree with you that I have much room for improvement still.
Assani, Good discussion.

For the record though I don't believe being determined to get my losses back before going to bed is equal to playing losing poker. I did not say that, and I don't believe that.

In general, what I am saying is that it is extremely difficult to always know you are playing good or bad, and then to act accordingly, whether winning or losing. I don't dispute at all that you were playing excellent poker and knew it, when you were trying to get back to even on day one. No need to even post your hand histories, since you still know it know, even a day removed from the action.

My only point is to not overestimate your skill in this area. Your quote jumped out at me:

I understand your reasoning, but I believe that I have the ability to honestly AND accurately assess whether or not I'm playing winning poker at any given time

I wouldn't dispute that you have made great improvements in this area of your game, but it is an area of opportunity for you to pay attention to.

Carry On with the Quest :lmao:

 
im also getting back into the swing of things starting at the bottom (.5/1nl) i guess ill be seeing more of you on the tables.

gl!

 
However, when making my late run I in no way felt as if I was playing losing poker.....But I must disagree with you that "determined to get my losses back before going to bed" is equal to "playing losing poker." I will agree that it might be for some, but I definitely don't think it is for everyone.
It seems to me that trying to get your losses back before going to bed was way too results oriented. You could have played perfect poker (like getting all in preflop with AA vs JJ as an example) and lost more money on the day. Playing good poker as often as possible should be your goal; winning money on any single day (or session, or week, or whatever) shouldn't matter.
 
Have I consistently quit before when playing bad? Not always, although I've improved a ton in this area during my career. As you might expect, I struggled with this as everyone does when I first started. But I think that I have worked hard to improve in all areas, including this one.In fact, as I said earlier- I was indeed playing losing poker for a time yesterday during my losing period. I admitted this in my write-up, I knew it at the time I was playing, and I know it now. I did quickly stop and regroup, but it was too late as I lost $500 or so in a short while.However, when making my late run I in no way felt as if I was playing losing poker. I wasn't taking unecessary chances to get back to even, nor was I gambling and playing ultra-loose. It was around 3AM, and I calmly and rationally decided that I was going to end the day winning even if that meant playing until noon. I can request all of the hand histories from Stars and post them here if you wish...I'm 99.9% certain that I was playing winning poker, and I would definitely admit it if I wasn't, as I've never been scared or embarrassed to post about my failures, which are numerous.I always appriciate your advice, but I must disagree with you that "determined to get my losses back before going to bed" is equal to "playing losing poker." I will agree that it might be for some, but I definitely don't think it is for everyone. Now as I said earlier, I did indeed play poorly for some time yesterday, as I wrote about it my write-up. I am concerned about that, and I am upset with myself for that. If it weren't for that period, I would've easily met my $500 goal on the day. I will agree with you that I have much room for improvement still.
This might be the best post in the whole thread.
 
im also getting back into the swing of things starting at the bottom (.5/1nl) i guess ill be seeing more of you on the tables.

gl!
Ditto except that I'm playing $1/2 limit. Just made SilverStar for the month. :thumbup: Going for the TV this year.

 
im also getting back into the swing of things starting at the bottom (.5/1nl) i guess ill be seeing more of you on the tables.

gl!
Ditto except that I'm playing $1/2 limit. Just made SilverStar for the month. :shrug: Going for the TV this year.
You must have played a lot of poker. I'm playing 1/2 limit and I was happy that I'd accumulated 350 points.
Yes. More than I've ever played in a three-day span.
 
i had 40k points than bought $500 amazon gc

i may aim for some futureshop (like best buy) gc.

points do go up quickly at .5/1 nl.. not when you are used to 5/10 10/20 limit :shrug:

 
I was checking out some stats on you, and I'm wondering why you play turbo tourneys. You seem to be a pretty tight player, so I would think normal sngs and deep stack tourneys would be better for you.

 
JeffyKeane said:
I was checking out some stats on you, and I'm wondering why you play turbo tourneys. You seem to be a pretty tight player, so I would think normal sngs and deep stack tourneys would be better for you.
I've always thought that turbos were better for tight players. :thumbup:
The blinds go up quicker in a turbo. At a certain level, that forces players to mix it up with less than premium holdings. That's not advantageous for a tight player.
 

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