At What Point Do You Consider Chris Johnson? (1 Viewer)

[solorca]

I have the seventh pick in my league this year, and I am hoping that Chris Johnson decides to sign before the draft on Saturday. Not because I want him, but because it will give me an extra option at my pick.

With that said, without him being back in the NFL, at what point are you willing to take a chance on him. I also have pick 2.11 and 3.02. I think that if by some chance he slipped that far, I would be willing to take a shot.

 

[yrforyg]

i'd take him if he's still available after foster, ap, rice, charles, mccoy, andre johnson, aaron rodgers, michael vick and calvin johnson are off the board

 

[timschochet]

As far as I'm concerned, he's a top 3 running back along with Foster and ADP. I'd grab him 3rd overall and and any later than that is to your advantage if he's still on the board. Just be sure to take Ringer late in the draft so you have a filler in week 1 if it becomes necessary.

 

[shadyridr]

I have the seventh pick in my league this year, and I am hoping that Chris Johnson decides to sign before the draft on Saturday. Not because I want him, but because it will give me an extra option at my pick.With that said, without him being back in the NFL, at what point are you willing to take a chance on him. I also have pick 2.11 and 3.02. I think that if by some chance he slipped that far, I would be willing to take a shot.

willing to take a shot in the 2nd or 3rd. dude if he slips to u in the first count your blessings and grab him

 

[shnikies]

As far as I'm concerned, he's a top 3 running back along with Foster and ADP. I'd grab him 3rd overall and and any later than that is to your advantage if he's still on the board. Just be sure to take Ringer late in the draft so you have a filler in week 1 if it becomes necessary.

This. The odds of him missing week one are fairly slim let alone multiple weeks. Game theory will kick in sooner later and both parties would be at a huge loss if he misses substantial time. If he's there at 7 you should LOL the chat room and draft him.

 

[shortbow]

I have the seventh pick in my league this year, and I am hoping that Chris Johnson decides to sign before the draft on Saturday. Not because I want him, but because it will give me an extra option at my pick.With that said, without him being back in the NFL, at what point are you willing to take a chance on him. I also have pick 2.11 and 3.02. I think that if by some chance he slipped that far, I would be willing to take a shot.

I would take him with the 3rd overall pick if ADP and Rice are gone. Standard and PPR.

 

[psychobillies]

Serious question. Can anyone remember a guy who held out and missed all of training camp that didn't have substantial hamstring issues during the season? Especially a speed guy?

 

[yrforyg]

Vincent Jackson?

 

[Jail]

Lots of faith in here being placed on reason, but when I put myself in each sides' situation(Tenn & CJ2K) I won't be too surprised if the hold out goes all the way up to week 10 or whatever the deadline is for him to accrue a season on his contract.

I probably wouldn't start considering him until about 1.12.

 

[tppt]

foster

peterson

rice (if ppr)

CJ

if he is there 7th overall, go into the tank like those poker players do with 7-2 offsuit up against AA and just let the guy in the 8 hole stress over if CJ will be there.

 

[GregR]

Lots of faith in here being placed on reason, but when I put myself in each sides' situation(Tenn & CJ2K) I won't be too surprised if the hold out goes all the way up to week 10 or whatever the deadline is for him to accrue a season on his contract.I probably wouldn't start considering him until about 1.12.

I believe he already missed the deadline. It changed with the new CBA.

 

[shnikies]

Lots of faith in here being placed on reason, but when I put myself in each sides' situation(Tenn & CJ2K) I won't be too surprised if the hold out goes all the way up to week 10 or whatever the deadline is for him to accrue a season on his contract.I probably wouldn't start considering him until about 1.12.

I believe he already missed the deadline. It changed with the new CBA.

Correct.

 

[Jail]

Lots of faith in here being placed on reason, but when I put myself in each sides' situation(Tenn & CJ2K) I won't be too surprised if the hold out goes all the way up to week 10 or whatever the deadline is for him to accrue a season on his contract.I probably wouldn't start considering him until about 1.12.

I believe he already missed the deadline. It changed with the new CBA.

I don't mean the deadline to accrue a season toward free agency. I mean on his contract. I think you're thinking of the deadline toward free agency. The one that Jackson cared about. CJ didn't care about that deadline because he still has another year left anyway.

 

[Mr. Fusion]

Serious question. Can anyone remember a guy who held out and missed all of training camp that didn't have substantial hamstring issues during the season? Especially a speed guy?

Emmitt Smith held out his rookie year (signed days before the season started) and was rookie of the year. He held out again in 1993, missing two regular season games and still won the rushing title.I know CJ is no Emmitt Smith but if he's staying in shape on his own I wouldn't worry about injury any more than any other RB, especially with the shortened offseason.

 

[eakfootball]

In ppt I take him 8th, after the top 6 backs and Andre. In on ppr I take him before Andre.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Serious question. Can anyone remember a guy who held out and missed all of training camp that didn't have substantial hamstring issues during the season? Especially a speed guy?

I have no numbers to back it up, but it seems like (anecdotally) whenever a stud RB/WR holds out all of training camp and sign days before the season the injury gods seem to frown upon them early in the year.

 

[psychobillies]

Serious question. Can anyone remember a guy who held out and missed all of training camp that didn't have substantial hamstring issues during the season? Especially a speed guy?

Emmitt Smith held out his rookie year (signed days before the season started) and was rookie of the year. He held out again in 1993, missing two regular season games and still won the rushing title.I know CJ is no Emmitt Smith but if he's staying in shape on his own I wouldn't worry about injury any more than any other RB, especially with the shortened offseason.

Thanks. Worth noting though, that Emmitt was one of the most durable players of all time. Vincent Jackson is a good one, but he only played in five games. It was a little different.

 

[GregR]

Lots of faith in here being placed on reason, but when I put myself in each sides' situation(Tenn & CJ2K) I won't be too surprised if the hold out goes all the way up to week 10 or whatever the deadline is for him to accrue a season on his contract.I probably wouldn't start considering him until about 1.12.

I believe he already missed the deadline. It changed with the new CBA.

I don't mean the deadline to accrue a season toward free agency. I mean on his contract. I think you're thinking of the deadline toward free agency. The one that Jackson cared about. CJ didn't care about that deadline because he still has another year left anyway.

Took me a second to follow but I think I see what you're saying.Johnson had a 5 year contract, and has 2 years left. As long as the plays in 6 games, it will (I think?) be a year off his contract, but it won't be an accrued season towards free agency. Which is ok because he has a 5 year contract, so if he didn't get a new contract and had to play this one out, as long as he reports on time next year, the 5th year of his contract, when that year is up he'd have 4 accrued seasons and be a UFA.

 

[Jail]

Took me a second to follow but I think I see what you're saying.Johnson had a 5 year contract, and has 2 years left. As long as the plays in 6 games, it will (I think?) be a year off his contract, but it won't be an accrued season towards free agency. Which is ok because he has a 5 year contract, so if he didn't get a new contract and had to play this one out, as long as he reports on time next year, the 5th year of his contract, when that year is up he'd have 4 accrued seasons and be a UFA.

Right. Thats why the Titans have so much leverage. He can hold out this year until week 10, but then next year he'd have to report early enough to accrue another season if he ever wants to be a UFA. He is screwed.

 

[skillz]

Serious question. Can anyone remember a guy who held out and missed all of training camp that didn't have substantial hamstring issues during the season? Especially a speed guy?

Emmitt Smith held out his rookie year (signed days before the season started) and was rookie of the year. He held out again in 1993, missing two regular season games and still won the rushing title.I know CJ is no Emmitt Smith but if he's staying in shape on his own I wouldn't worry about injury any more than any other RB, especially with the shortened offseason.

Thanks. Worth noting though, that Emmitt was one of the most durable players of all time. Vincent Jackson is a good one, but he only played in five games. It was a little different.

LT held out the entire training camp prior to his rookie year.

 

[GregR]

Took me a second to follow but I think I see what you're saying.Johnson had a 5 year contract, and has 2 years left. As long as the plays in 6 games, it will (I think?) be a year off his contract, but it won't be an accrued season towards free agency. Which is ok because he has a 5 year contract, so if he didn't get a new contract and had to play this one out, as long as he reports on time next year, the 5th year of his contract, when that year is up he'd have 4 accrued seasons and be a UFA.

Right. Thats why the Titans have so much leverage. He can hold out this year until week 10, but then next year he'd have to report early enough to accrue another season if he ever wants to be a UFA. He is screwed.

One thing I wonder is whether the $30k fine per day stops when his salary is completely wiped out, or whether he could actually end up owing the team money if he held out until week 10.Not that I think the Titans will be dumb enough to let it go that far. As a Houston fan and one who dislikes Bud Adams, I hope they are that dumb, but I doubt they will be.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Didn't the titans say that they'd make him the leagues top paid RB? What the hold up? Oh and I'd take him 4 or 5 depending on a few factors (PPR etc, survivor league etc)

 

[Couch Potato]

Didn't the titans say that they'd make him the leagues top paid RB? What the hold up? Oh and I'd take him 4 or 5 depending on a few factors (PPR etc, survivor league etc)

That's not good enough for him. He wants to be paid like a QB. Seriously.

 

[shnikies]

Didn't the titans say that they'd make him the leagues top paid RB? What the hold up? Oh and I'd take him 4 or 5 depending on a few factors (PPR etc, survivor league etc)

That's not good enough for him. He wants to be paid like a QB. Seriously.

He won't take anything less than a contract that would make him the wealthiest man in America.1. Chris Johnson

2. Warren Buffet

3. Bill Gates

 

[Jake22]

Serious question. Can anyone remember a guy who held out and missed all of training camp that didn't have substantial hamstring issues during the season? Especially a speed guy?

Emmitt Smith held out his rookie year (signed days before the season started) and was rookie of the year. He held out again in 1993, missing two regular season games and still won the rushing title.I know CJ is no Emmitt Smith but if he's staying in shape on his own I wouldn't worry about injury any more than any other RB, especially with the shortened offseason.

Smith's first carry after he ended his holdout that year was on Monday Night Football in week three against Philly, it was an 80 yard TD...players hold out alot and don't have any issues with hamstrings, etc, at least the ones that stay in shape.

 

[Chairshot]

Had him fall to 17th overall in a superflex league that I drafted in tonight. That league goes QB heavy early, though, with 7 QBs going in the first 2 rounds. Still, I couldn't pass him up at that point, even if there is a slim chance that his situation turns into a complete cluster.

 

[Mr. Fusion]

I hope this gets cleared up soon but I'm expecting the worst. I am picking 5th in my main league (non-PPR) and the dropoff from that top 5 feels really steep to me. I don't want to make the decision to pass on him.

 

[Ariakis]

Ugh our 12x18 PPR just started with 2RB, 3WR, and 1UTIL. It's a 3RR and I'm tucked nicely in the 6 hole where I've been mocking either one of the top 5 RB's or a choice of AJ or McCoy but now if AJ goes 5th ... I'm not sure WHAT to do. There's no reason I should take Calvin over McCoy but if CJ reports he SHOULD blow away McCoy's production ... but RISKY. I'm *really* hoping he goes 5th (the top 4 have picked and #5 is on the 12 hour clock) and I can just consider McCoy/AJ and not worry about the CJ factor.

 

[bweiser]

i wouldn't pick him until 2012.

i own him in a keeper league. it's a wasted roster spot for 2011.

 

[baconisgood]

I wonder if this Fitz contract changes things. It is a ridiculous sum.

 

[macknova]

The Fitz contract can't help. To me, this drops him to my 5th RB behind Foster, Peterson, Rice, and Charles (no order). McCoy is close in PPR.

 

[solorca]

My draft is next week, and I draft in the 7 spot. My biggest fear is that Foster, Peterson, Rice, McCoy, Charles, and Andre Johnson are gone, leaving me to choose between CJ and a second tier player. Without another pick until 2.11, taking CJ would kill me.

 

[ponchsox]

I doubt he will be there at #8, although he would be very tempting, let him be someone else's problem.

 

[need2know]

agree, you need your first round pick to play

 

[B. Nugget]

I doubt he will be there at #8, although he would be very tempting, let him be someone else's problem.

Drafted him today at 1.11 and promptly paired him with Calvin!I was obviously surprised he dropped that far, but Ringer went WAY early, IMO and the owner that took him in the middle of the 8th acted like he stole my thunder...it is possible the holdout effects week 1, but isn't likely.He already came to Nashville, I assume that to mean he is signed and on the practice field by the weekend and gets some reps in the last preseason game, but I'm a glass half-full kinda guy.

 

[Chaka]

As far as I'm concerned, he's a top 3 running back along with Foster and ADP. I'd grab him 3rd overall and and any later than that is to your advantage if he's still on the board. Just be sure to take Ringer late in the draft so you have a filler in week 1 if it becomes necessary.

This. The odds of him missing week one are fairly slim let alone multiple weeks. Game theory will kick in sooner later and both parties would be at a huge loss if he misses substantial time. If he's there at 7 you should LOL the chat room and draft him.

Why are the odds so slim? The Titans and Johnson are very far apart on $$$$ right now. Very far.I also think he'll sign before week one but i wouldn't bet on it. And like manning I don't want him if he misses the entire preseason and TC.

 

[adrenaline]

I took him with the 6th & 11th picks in a couple of the FBG Survivors.

 

[ghostguy123]

Traditionally, holdouts like this dont miss any games. Vincent Jackson was a huge exception.

I dont think he misses any time. Cj does not have nearly as much leverage as he thinks he does. The Titans are not exactly favorites this year, so they don't "need" him back for much right now. Heck, it might even help them to save wear and tear on his body until they get good, haha.

I would say if he is not signed by kickoff of the last preseason game, then start to worry

 

[Badgers Fan]

I hope that by August 28th he is unsigned. Hopefully he falls to me at 8

 

[Ariakis]

The problem is he's already lost his service time so his "window" has passed. He also has an accelerated injury risk and the team may realize Ringer/Harper aren't bad ... and they aren't a great team anyway. In the league I mentioned above he fell past Rodgers at 1.08 (wow) and was picked at 1.09. McCoy went 5th, I took AJ 6th, and Megatron went 7th. That sounds a bit right to me ... the 8/9 range is safer to absorb the risk vs. who else is available.

 

[Arizona Ron]

I'll let someone else deal with this headache. Passing on him in all leagues this year.

 

[timschochet]

My draft was last night. I had the 10th pick, and there he was. Grabbed him up without a second's hesitation. Then I took Ringer in the 11th round.

 

[Captain Hook]

At What Point Do You Consider Chris Johnson?

Right after the Titans do - and not before

If you DO draft him and right now it shouldn't be in the first round, not sure about the second, then you HAVE to spend a fairly early pick on Javon Ringer

 

[Reepicheep]

My draft was last night. I had the 10th pick, and there he was. Grabbed him up without a second's hesitation. Then I took Ringer in the 11th round.

I think this is probably the best way to work it, CJ is stupid value in the late 1st, definitely worth the cost of an early flier-round pick on Ringer. Could get tricky 2 weeks from now though, Ringer will start going a lot sooner.

 

[Captain Hook]

My draft was last night. I had the 10th pick, and there he was. Grabbed him up without a second's hesitation. Then I took Ringer in the 11th round.

I think this is probably the best way to work it, CJ is stupid value in the late 1st, definitely worth the cost of an early flier-round pick on Ringer. Could get tricky 2 weeks from now though, Ringer will start going a lot sooner.

Will? He got pretty lucky, Ringer is already going in the 9th round is some money drafts

 

[Funkley]

I agree that the risk isnt him missing games. Its reporting last minute and getting hurt.

 

[Abraham]

3rd behind ADP and Foster.

 

[Shutout]

I pass on him in a redraft until I know he is back with the team.

I know...if the guys is sitting there at pick 7-11, you have to be SO tempted to snatch him up and think you have a top 3 RB but you have to remember:

-Most FF seasons play through about week 13 before the playofs. In a redraft, you absoultely MUST get production out of your top pick. You can not afford to lose 25% or more of your season. You just can't.

-Also, and I know I'm in the minority, I think Johnson is somewhat overrated. He puts up the aggregate points to where people are saying he's a top 3 stud, etc, but in reality he is very feast or famine. Last year, 7 of his games resulted in no TDs AND less than 70 yards. That's more than half your season of stat lines that look like 16-67-0. So, yes, he certainly can win you games with some huge efforts, in some weeks. But overall, I think even at pick 7, 8, 9, etc, I would want the weekly performance of a McCoy, McFadden, AJ, Calvin for the year. Add that to not having to worry about the holdout and I don't like CJ at those spots at all.

-Injury risk has to be thought of. Yo can't go from sitting at home to playing without conditioning. I know...someone will say "its not like he is JUST sitting at home on his couch dude!. He's working out". I get that but its nots the same level and intensity and we ahve seen that clearly this season as guys have been working out on their own during the lockout and then they show up to camp and its a hundred hammys here and 50 achilles/ankles/quads there. Just not the same.

 

[cubbie5150]

My draft was last night. I had the 10th pick, and there he was. Grabbed him up without a second's hesitation. Then I took Ringer in the 11th round.

I think this is probably the best way to work it, CJ is stupid value in the late 1st, definitely worth the cost of an early flier-round pick on Ringer. Could get tricky 2 weeks from now though, Ringer will start going a lot sooner.

Will? He got pretty lucky, Ringer is already going in the 9th round is some money drafts

Last night in a $$ 12 team redraft, PPR, Ringer went middle of the 7th...

 

[iNeedCoffee]

I agree that the risk isnt him missing games. Its reporting last minute and getting hurt.

Agree 100 percent. Guys who usually hold out during training camps and on through the preseason usually get hurt sometime during the regular season or even struggle to put up good numbers. I have the 12th pick in a 12 team standard scoring league and as of now, I'm not even looking at CJ unless he falls deep into the third round. I just see more risk than reward with CJ currently. I would rather have someone like Mendenhall or Turner, one of the elite receivers, or maybe grab an elite QB where I'm drafting at.