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White will give way to Robinson at some point this season. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Robinson often in 3WR sets, over Jenkins.
Deep league here. What do you think Robinson's upside is? Is he worth rostering now? Haven't paid much attention to the Falcons' receivers this preseason out of habit I guess.
I think Robinson starts to have Value/Upside around WR7 in a 12-team redraft league.
My league starts at least 48 every week with the possibility (although highly unlikely) of as many as 60 with flex. Can any Atlanta homers provide a more concise picture of how the Falcons' receiving corp? I'd appreciate it.
Falcons season ticket holder here (your condolences, please). Anyway, here is how I see it.....Jenkins: The most consistent reciever last year (which isn't saying much). I like him over Roddy.White: Joey threw the ball at him in preseason more than any other receiver. He caught more balls than he did last year, but he dropped a couple of easy ones. I think the fans will get on him quickly with some drops, and his confidence will be gone. Bottom line...makes me nervous.Horn: I think he's the odd man out. I would be shocked to see him put up any numbers at all.Robinson: I dont think he will be on the field much in the first several games. I wouldnt bother drafting him.I like Jenkins the most, but I wouldn't expect big numbers out of any of these guys.....
Thanks for the local flavor. Being desperate, I'll take the Dumb & Dumber approach in regards to White. "So You're Sayin' There's a Chance!"
I would agree with you but i cant. Horn just doesn't respect his body enough for me and I think he'll be injuried early and often. If he could learn to get what he can and get down you'll be right by a long ways. But he just leaves his feet and takes too many punishing hits for a wr for me.
The Falcons signed Joe Horn to a 4-year 19 million dollar contract. Something tells me the Front Office and Coaching Staff dont expect him to be the odd man out.mijatra said:
Yeah... what a weird post. By the end of the year, it will be Horn, Robinson, White, Jenkins.... in that order.
huh?sorry you disagree
Nothing to see here Switz!Long time Falcons fan here! Bobby Petrino's offense has us looking like a Mike Martz team!Joe Horn will be the #1 WR on this offense period!Michael Jenkins could be alot harder to contain as the toughest coverage corners will be on Joe Horn. Jenkins did catch 7 TD's last year.Whoever plays vs the weaker coverage (R. White and or L. Robinson) could be a pretty darn good value in this offense.
you choose to play a word game rather than debate anythingI said "to pressure the starters" you said "not to pressure" them "but to replace them after grooming"Well you tell me in what sport doesn't the starter feel pressure when someone was brought in to replace them?
Brees is a far better QB than Joey. Aaron Brooks, with the Saints, was better than Joey ever was. Horn hasn't had over 700 yards in 3 years. If he's your #1 WR by the end of 07 you're in trouble.
Whether they feel pressure or not is not the point. Rather, the intention behind bringing in the players is what's important. Horn was never in any way brought in to be anything but the starter. Regardless of how well motivated or pressure the other WRs were by his arrival, he was going to start. You imply that the coaches really wanted Jenkins and White to start, but that's not the case.As for Robinson, he too was not brought in with the intention to pressure White or Jenkins to elevate their play. Rather he was drafted to be groomed to replace them. Whether they feel pressure or not has no bearing on the intention behind drafting him.
Actually #3 http://subscribers.footballguys.com/players/HornJo00-2.phpIn 2004 he was very good, your point, but mine is that it's been 3 years since he was.
When's the last time he played a full season? Do you think he'll become more or less durable with age?
like I said, if he is by the end of 07, then I think they're in trouble....or probably better worded as I think that will mean the season did not go well
so then you can link to negative quotes by Petrino about Roddy and Michael then right? Something Petrino said to make you feel that way?Here's but one quote by the GM that is positive and mentions Roddy and Michael improving:"I think our offense will be different in style," Falcons General Manager Rich McKay said. "I also believe wide receiver is the most improved position on our team, not only because of the players we added but because our returning guys worked so hard to improve during the offseason."
You claim to know the INTENTION of the coaches? That's quite an accomplishment. In literature there is a concept called the "intentional fallacy," which is when a reader claims to know what the writer intended. Of course we never know what a writer's true intention was; we also do not know what a coaches' intention was and you don't quote the coach to support your claim. Of course, coaches lie or dissemble; but at least then you could claim you had some access to the coaches' intention. Everything you say above is complete and utter fabrication.Above, in a previous post you provide a link to an oudated article that also does not quote anyone with the team: it just asserts who the starters are. Following that kind of journalism is how a lot of people were misled about KJ and the PUP. That same kind of reporting was telling us that Mike Walker was the future starter in Jacksonville, where he now sits on the IR. Frankly, I don't see how that has more weight than the teams depth chart.
I agree. Every Falcon WR was available when I used my last pick....I took Horn. (12 man team 20 man roster) Right now the other WRs have a lot to show during game time. I had heard Joey making comments about how good Horn was during camp....Since Horn didnt get much time during preseason (why did he need it when your evaluating a bunch of guys) people forgot about him. I expect I will only use him in a Bye situation...but you never know
Unfortunately NFL players often don't play out their contract. Horn got a mil this year and his salary progresses considerably higher each year ending with 4.6 mil.Personally I don't imagine he'll be 38 and earning that 4.6 mil.
Have you watched an Atlanta Falcons game the past couple of seasons? Petrino need not say a word that Jenkins/White have played below par. I watch the games, no link needed to know these two players have underachieved.As for White improving, I'm not sure if he could have got any worse - there was nowhere to go but up.
Wouldn't playing time in preseason be helpful if you were learning a new offense and getting acclimated to a new QB? This doesn't ring true to me.
You do realize my initial post says they weren't getting it done, right?Have you watched an Atlanta Falcons game the past couple of seasons? Petrino need not say a word that Jenkins/White have played below par. I watch the games, no link needed to know these two players have underachieved.As for White improving, I'm not sure if he could have got any worse - there was nowhere to go but up.
So then, are you saying the intention of bringing Horn in was anything other than for him to start?This is not an exercise in determining author intention in a piece of fiction. This is based on what coaches have stated, never mind the depth chart which is as good as coming out of the coaches mouth, and actions (which speak louder than words) taken by the organization.
I don't see anything in that link that talks about Robinson being "recruited to replace White and Jenkins." It talks about how Petrino saw him play in college, really wanted him on his team, and has worked hard to help him learn the system. I would expect that to be true of any rookie a team goes out and gets: if they haven't watched the guy and liked him why did they draft him? If they drafted him, why wouldn't they help him learn the system? It doesn't say anything about Petrino's opinion about White or Jenkins or about his future plans for the WR position.So then, are you saying the intention of bringing Horn in was anything other than for him to start?This is not an exercise in determining author intention in a piece of fiction. This is based on what coaches have stated, never mind the depth chart which is as good as coming out of the coaches mouth, and actions (which speak louder than words) taken by the organization.
Here are some Petrino quotes on Robinson
I'm not sure what made either of you want to "attack" me, but nothing I said was false, fabricated, or anything synonymous with those concepts.
Dude, let it go......all you are doing is going back and forth about who thinks they ahave the better opinion.....but as we all know opinions are like arseholes...everyone has emn, and most of em stinkSo then, are you saying the intention of bringing Horn in was anything other than for him to start?This is not an exercise in determining author intention in a piece of fiction. This is based on what coaches have stated, never mind the depth chart which is as good as coming out of the coaches mouth, and actions (which speak louder than words) taken by the organization.
Here are some Petrino quotes on Robinson
I'm not sure what made either of you want to "attack" me, but nothing I said was false, fabricated, or anything synonymous with those concepts.
Thanks for the input.
