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[DesmondBishop]

I noticed while looking over the IDP projections assists are listed, and I am wondering how much thought goes into those projections?

I know a few of the regulars on the IDP forum have discussed assists before and one poster (I am sorry I do not recall your name, but you rock) made up a team by team listing of which home teams get more assists and in many IDP leagues, it can make a huge difference. Like if James Laurinaitis got as many assists per game/year as London Fletcher, he would probably be the #1 scoring LB every year, but he doesn't so he isn't. So to help determine some things for myself, how do you guys come up with your numbers or do you simply look at how many they got last year and adjust up/down on your gut feeling?

One thing I can tell you for sure, whoever is reading this, the Rams suck for assists and the Redskins are incredible, so if your flipping a coin and you get credit for assists, keep that in mind. I will try to find that other posters thread and add a link in here, it is very helpful for those leagues that count assists.

Edited to add: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=564151

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[Colts Rule!]

I know you can find the assisted tackles info you're talking about over at the idpguru.com website. It's probably buried somewhere here in these boards too.

 

[Novice2]

No week 1 IDP projections?

 

[cheese]

No week 1 IDP projections?

Up now...To the point of the OP, are you asking because you get an assist scored the same as a solo? Or are you saying that MLB's are more likely to benefit from an assist being given than suffer from giving an assist on what would have been their solo?

 

[DesmondBishop]

No week 1 IDP projections?

Up now...To the point of the OP, are you asking because you get an assist scored the same as a solo? Or are you saying that MLB's are more likely to benefit from an assist being given than suffer from giving an assist on what would have been their solo?

No, in my big leagues it is full IDP and scoring is 1 point for a tackle and .5 for an assist. If you look at the score keepers from each home team, they are not equal. London Fletcher gets an assist just for being on the field in Washington home games and other home score keepers won't give an assist if 2 guys meet at the ball carrier together and take a guy down. So in other words, if you got 2 guys, be they LB/CB/S/DE or DT if one gets 40 assist for a year and another gets 20, it may not seem like much, but when games can come down to a tenth of a point, it is important to know what score keepers are friendly. This is more important to me for non-LB'ers because 98% of starting lb'ers are rostered, but they're are always CB's/S/ and DE's on the WW.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

yes, we know about these trends and take them into account when projecting stats.

there has been lots of discussion here and on the IDP audible roundtables regarding these trends.

 

[cheese]

No week 1 IDP projections?

Up now...To the point of the OP, are you asking because you get an assist scored the same as a solo? Or are you saying that MLB's are more likely to benefit from an assist being given than suffer from giving an assist on what would have been their solo?

No, in my big leagues it is full IDP and scoring is 1 point for a tackle and .5 for an assist. If you look at the score keepers from each home team, they are not equal. London Fletcher gets an assist just for being on the field in Washington home games and other home score keepers won't give an assist if 2 guys meet at the ball carrier together and take a guy down. So in other words, if you got 2 guys, be they LB/CB/S/DE or DT if one gets 40 assist for a year and another gets 20, it may not seem like much, but when games can come down to a tenth of a point, it is important to know what score keepers are friendly. This is more important to me for non-LB'ers because 98% of starting lb'ers are rostered, but they're are always CB's/S/ and DE's on the WW.

Are you saying some teams are still giving both a solo and an assist on the same tackle?

 

[Jene Bramel]

No week 1 IDP projections?

Up now...To the point of the OP, are you asking because you get an assist scored the same as a solo? Or are you saying that MLB's are more likely to benefit from an assist being given than suffer from giving an assist on what would have been their solo?

No, in my big leagues it is full IDP and scoring is 1 point for a tackle and .5 for an assist. If you look at the score keepers from each home team, they are not equal. London Fletcher gets an assist just for being on the field in Washington home games and other home score keepers won't give an assist if 2 guys meet at the ball carrier together and take a guy down. So in other words, if you got 2 guys, be they LB/CB/S/DE or DT if one gets 40 assist for a year and another gets 20, it may not seem like much, but when games can come down to a tenth of a point, it is important to know what score keepers are friendly. This is more important to me for non-LB'ers because 98% of starting lb'ers are rostered, but they're are always CB's/S/ and DE's on the WW.

Are you saying some teams are still giving both a solo and an assist on the same tackle?

The default is 2010 and earlier was that the first player was awarded an assisted solo tackle (counted as a solo) and the second player an assist unless the stat crew overrode the default. Last season the default was that both players were awarded an assist unless the stat crew overrode the default.In past seasons, I've been given a heads-up as to whether there would be any major changes by my contact in the NFL stat office very early in the spring. I have no information this year, so it's something we'll be tracking even more closely than normal in the first weeks of the season.

 

[cheese]

Thanks Jene. I guess I was working under the assumption that every tackle last year forward was either a solo or 2 assists. Under that assumption, I would think scorekeepers who give lots of assists make a negligible difference if at all.

They're just taking away 10 solos and adding 20 assists. In most leagues, that does nothing.

If certain scorekeepers are actually changing the default more often and giving solo + assist frequently, that's a different story.

 

[DesmondBishop]

Thanks Jene. I guess I was working under the assumption that every tackle last year forward was either a solo or 2 assists. Under that assumption, I would think scorekeepers who give lots of assists make a negligible difference if at all.

They're just taking away 10 solos and adding 20 assists. In most leagues, that does nothing.

If certain scorekeepers are actually changing the default more often and giving solo + assist frequently, that's a different story.

Exactly, the tackle numbers are always there, but some scorekeepers dole out assists like candy, and others give none. If you look at the link in my original post at the start of this thread, those are actual assist numbers taken from games. Some teams are averaging 40+ assist a game and others less than 20. In your leagues that don't offer scoring for assists, this doesn't matter, but in many leagues it does and it is important when selecting players that have a chance for 5-8 assists per game + tackles instead of the guy who may get his tackles but no assists.

 

[cheese]

Thanks Jene. I guess I was working under the assumption that every tackle last year forward was either a solo or 2 assists. Under that assumption, I would think scorekeepers who give lots of assists make a negligible difference if at all.

They're just taking away 10 solos and adding 20 assists. In most leagues, that does nothing.

If certain scorekeepers are actually changing the default more often and giving solo + assist frequently, that's a different story.

Exactly, the tackle numbers are always there, but some scorekeepers dole out assists like candy, and others give none. If you look at the link in my original post at the start of this thread, those are actual assist numbers taken from games. Some teams are averaging 40+ assist a game and others less than 20. In your leagues that don't offer scoring for assists, this doesn't matter, but in many leagues it does and it is important when selecting players that have a chance for 5-8 assists per game + tackles instead of the guy who may get his tackles but no assists.

What do you mean by the tackles are always there? Aren't some of them (the solos) turning into 2 assists? I'm not trying to beat the dead horse here, I'm just wondering if I'm really missing something here.

Take a random 140 tackles between 2 players.

Redskins guy gives out...

Player A: 70 solos + 40 assists = 90 pts

Player B: 30 solos + 40 assists = 90 pts

On those same tackles

Rams guy is giving

Player A: 80 solos + 20 assists = 90 pts

Player B: 40 solos + 20 assists = 90 pts

In this case, Redskins guy is not giving out more fantasy points when he gives out assists like candy. He's just giving them out in a different way. This is what I THINK is happening, but I'm open to being wrong on this one.

 

[Jene Bramel]

What do you mean by the tackles are always there? Aren't some of them (the solos) turning into 2 assists? I'm not trying to beat the dead horse here, I'm just wondering if I'm really missing something here.Take a random 140 tackles between 2 players.Redskins guy gives out...Player A: 70 solos + 40 assists = 90 ptsPlayer B: 30 solos + 40 assists = 90 ptsOn those same tacklesRams guy is givingPlayer A: 80 solos + 20 assists = 90 ptsPlayer B: 40 solos + 20 assists = 90 ptsIn this case, Redskins guy is not giving out more fantasy points when he gives out assists like candy. He's just giving them out in a different way. This is what I THINK is happening, but I'm open to being wrong on this one.

There should be uniformity between stat crews, i.e. a play in which two players combine for a tackle should be scored the same way, but there isn't.A play in which Player X makes a hit and Player Y finishes off the tackle may be scored as:1. Solo tackle Player X2. Assisted solo tackle Player X, assist Player Y3. Assist Player X, assist Player YSome stat crews almost always enter scenario 1. Some almost always enter scenario 3. Others enter the two players and allow the default database function to score the play (previously scenario 2, now scenario 3).The disparity can be huge:The Indianapolis stat crew gave an average of 60 assists per game last year. The St. Louis stat crew gave an average on 8 per game. In raw numbers that's 480 assists in Indy (both teams) and 63 assists (both teams) in St. Louis.

 

[cheese]

Thanks again guys. So is there any good way to drill down to who is giving out scenerio 2 which actually results in additional IDP points rather than just giving scenerio 3 instead of scenerio 1?

 

[The Man With No Name]

Pro Football Focus did a series on this after the 2012 season.

Home Cookin' - How NFL Stat Crews Affect IDP:

Part 1 https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/18/home-cookin-how-nfl-stats-crews-affect-idp-pt-1/

Part 2 https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/05/home-cookin-how-nfl-stat-crews-affect-idp-pt-2/

Part 3 https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/05/23/home-cookin-how-nfl-stat-crews-affect-idp-pt-3/