Auction issue - what to do? (1 Viewer)

[N Zone]

First off, there aren't rounds in auction drafts.
Second, the draft isn't done until all slots are filled (not including IR spots). If IR spots are made use of during the draft, any team owner using an IR spot or spots, during the draft still has open spots to fill. I see nothing wrong. Be smarter next time, like the guy who pulled this off was. League has the IR spots, so this should not be a problem.
This player that took advantage of this, just outplayed everyone in the league in this instance. Deal with it.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

What platform do you use? MFL?

 

[candian fantasy guy]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

What platform do you use? MFL?

RTS

 

[SayWhat?]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

The “24 rounds” is irrelevant. Some teams might have their 24 player roster filled out after round 12, while others might end up nominating players into a 28th round if they aren’t successful enough in winning bids during the first 24 to fill out their roster.

 

[Gally]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

 

[darksideofoz]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

The “24 rounds” is irrelevant. Some teams might have their 24 player roster filled out after round 12, while others might end up nominating players into a 28th round if they aren’t successful enough in winning bids during the first 24 to fill out their roster.

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let him keep all 25 and add a rule to prevent it (no injury designations until after the draft is completed) next year if it bothers you.

I am hoping this won’t be the majority opinion.

It will be
Sometimes clever sometimes jerks...part of the game is taking advantage of roster rules.

I've been in plenty of leagues where guys stayed up at midnight for waiver claims while normal people slept and woke to players gone in the morning.

Just make a rule for next year

That's my take too.

He found a loop hole. Maybe not even intentionally.

I'd use it as a learning experience and make a rule for next year.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

The “24 rounds” is irrelevant. Some teams might have their 24 player roster filled out after round 12, while others might end up nominating players into a 28th round if they aren’t successful enough in winning bids during the first 24 to fill out their roster.

There was 23.1 rounds this auction. We had 2 keepers per team. Equals -2 rnds

Don’t know, what to say about the no round argument. There are rounds, on RTS anyways.

 

[SayWhat?]

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

Unless you’re going to allow teams to nominate players after they’ve filled out their 24 player roster, then no, there would not be 24 rounds of 12 owners each nominating 1 player.

There absolutely could be a “round 28.”

 

[Gally]

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

But if I am done with my 24 players in "round 16" because I was aggressive then do I still nominate players in round 20 that I can't bid on? That is how you get to a team making 28 nominations making it 28 rounds.

(I know it's semantics but if a round is each eligible team nominating one player you will likely have more than 24 rounds because someone will get multiple players in a single "round")

 

[Lehigh98]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I do too, bylaws clearly state when stuff like IR, taxi, etc can be used... and it's not until we're in season.
The longer you commish leagues, the longer your rules get from stuff like this.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What would you commissioners do?

I would put to league vote a rule against this (or affirming its legality) for the next season.

You said it yourself: there was no rule against it. It’s a non-issue. Move on and either close the loophole or make it officially open for future drafts.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I do too, bylaws clearly state when stuff like IR, taxi, etc can be used... and it's not until we're in season.
The longer you commish leagues, the longer your rules get from stuff like this.

Exactly - a few of my dynasty leagues have Google docs that span 11 pages long. Leagues have been around for a decade+ & stuff just gets added all the time.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That's my take too.

He found a loop hole. Maybe not even intentionally.

I'd use it as a learning experience and make a rule for next year.

Yep. I posted the same before I saw this. IMO it’s not that big a deal, and easily solved with a league vote (or commish decree) next year.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

The “24 rounds” is irrelevant. Some teams might have their 24 player roster filled out after round 12, while others might end up nominating players into a 28th round if they aren’t successful enough in winning bids during the first 24 to fill out their roster.

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

If an owner fills out his roster after 20 rounds, then they wouldn't be able to nominate a player in rounds 21-24. The team that has less than 24 players would rotate nominations until all rosters are filled out. Unless this league has some rules we don't know about.

 

[The Kerminator]

IMHO you give him the choice to drop either the player he put on IR or the last player he won. Or any other of his chosing I suppose.

I look at it from the opposite point of view. If a team owner spent his $250 on only 20 players would that fly? The auction is for 24 players. Not 20. Not 25

 

[candian fantasy guy]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

Nobody realized, especially me, that this could happen. We are in year 12. Mostly no drama in this league.

 

[packdog]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

Nobody realized, especially me, that this could happen. We are in year 12. Mostly no drama in this league.

so why create drama? you didn't know he could IR someone, he didn't know he couldn't IR someone. wasn't stated in the rules. no biggie. let it stand and make a rule next year clarifying if it is allowed or not

 

[candian fantasy guy]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

Nobody realized, especially me, that this could happen. We are in year 12. Mostly no drama in this league.

so why create drama? you didn't know he could IR someone, he didn't know he couldn't IR someone. wasn't stated in the rules. no biggie. let it stand and make a rule next year clarifying if it is allowed or not

This is essentially what I did. He dropped his last player on his own after shaming him publicly. For more context, he is my one problem league mate going back 10 years or so. I should have said this from the beginning, but I was trying to be objective.

New league rule written.

 

[Lehigh98]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

Nobody realized, especially me, that this could happen. We are in year 12. Mostly no drama in this league.

so why create drama? you didn't know he could IR someone, he didn't know he couldn't IR someone. wasn't stated in the rules. no biggie. let it stand and make a rule next year clarifying if it is allowed or not

This is essentially what I did. He dropped his last player on his own after shaming him publicly. For more context, he is my one problem league mate going back 10 years or so. I should have said this from the beginning, but I was trying to be objective.

New league rule written.

 

[N Zone]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

Nobody realized, especially me, that this could happen. We are in year 12. Mostly no drama in this league.

so why create drama? you didn't know he could IR someone, he didn't know he couldn't IR someone. wasn't stated in the rules. no biggie. let it stand and make a rule next year clarifying if it is allowed or not

This is essentially what I did. He dropped his last player on his own after shaming him publicly. For more context, he is my one problem league mate going back 10 years or so. I should have said this from the beginning, but I was trying to be objective.

New league rule written.

Sounds like you're the problem.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

See, this is why I like drafting with stickers on a draft board.

Nobody pulling these kinda shenanigans at my home league draft, no sir. What, are they gonna grab a Sharpie and write “(IR)” on the sticker, then throw another sticker on top of it?

Unpossible.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

See, this is why I like drafting with stickers on a draft board.

Nobody pulling these kinda shenanigans at my home league draft, no sir. What, are they gonna grab a Sharpie and write “(IR)” on the sticker, then throw another sticker on top of it?

Unpossible.

That would be great, I have players in 3 different time zones.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

Nobody realized, especially me, that this could happen. We are in year 12. Mostly no drama in this league.

so why create drama? you didn't know he could IR someone, he didn't know he couldn't IR someone. wasn't stated in the rules. no biggie. let it stand and make a rule next year clarifying if it is allowed or not

This is essentially what I did. He dropped his last player on his own after shaming him publicly. For more context, he is my one problem league mate going back 10 years or so. I should have said this from the beginning, but I was trying to be objective.

New league rule written.

Sounds like you're the problem.

Make sure to thank your commissioner, it’s a thankless Payless job.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

Unless you’re going to allow teams to nominate players after they’ve filled out their 24 player roster, then no, there would not be 24 rounds of 12 owners each nominating 1 player.

There absolutely could be a “round 28.”

This is a semantic argument that means nothing. The bigger issue is that a loophole was exploited and now it can be closed for the future if that’s what the league wants.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Who was the player he was shamed into dropping?

 

[darksideofoz]

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

Unless you’re going to allow teams to nominate players after they’ve filled out their 24 player roster, then no, there would not be 24 rounds of 12 owners each nominating 1 player.

There absolutely could be a “round 28.”

Hey, I'm just trying to make sense of this guys league. The problem he presented isn't something any league I've been in or commish wouldn't have accounted for in the rules, and I wouldn't ever describe my auction in rounds. I personally would have let this auction stand and fix the rules for next year. It was obvious early in the thread the OP mostly came here to get people to back up what he already wanted to do.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

Unless you’re going to allow teams to nominate players after they’ve filled out their 24 player roster, then no, there would not be 24 rounds of 12 owners each nominating 1 player.

There absolutely could be a “round 28.”

Hey, I'm just trying to make sense of this guys league. The problem he presented isn't something any league I've been in or commish wouldn't have accounted for in the rules, and I wouldn't ever describe my auction in rounds. I personally would have let this auction stand and fix the rules for next year. It was obvious early in the thread the OP mostly came here to get people to back up what he already wanted to do.

I think that’s a fair assessment and that was wrong on my part. I should have gone in a different direction to explain this.

I am fairly convinced that half of the responders don’t even participate in auctions. “28 rounds is possible”, no, it’s not, but ok.

They are called rounds because that is how it is presented on the website. We had 23.1 rounds in this auction. The week before, I was in a 12 team 18 round auction. It finished @ 18.12.

Thanks to all the serious responders.

 

[Lehigh98]

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

Unless you’re going to allow teams to nominate players after they’ve filled out their 24 player roster, then no, there would not be 24 rounds of 12 owners each nominating 1 player.

There absolutely could be a “round 28.”

Hey, I'm just trying to make sense of this guys league. The problem he presented isn't something any league I've been in or commish wouldn't have accounted for in the rules, and I wouldn't ever describe my auction in rounds. I personally would have let this auction stand and fix the rules for next year. It was obvious early in the thread the OP mostly came here to get people to back up what he already wanted to do.

I think that’s a fair assessment and that was wrong on my part. I should have gone in a different direction to explain this.

I am fairly convinced that half of the responders don’t even participate in auctions. “28 rounds is possible”, no, it’s not, but ok.

They are called rounds because that is how it is presented on the website. We had 23.1 rounds in this auction. The week before, I was in a 12 team 18 round auction. It finished @ 18.12.

Thanks to all the serious responders.

I've run everything including live auctions, online auctions, auctions with keepers, etc.
You just can't assume everyone thinks the same way if it hasn't been written down and/or communicated.
And immediately going to punitive actions and/or "shaming" for your mistake isn't cool for league health long-term.

Name doesn't check out. I'm starting to think this guy's not actually Canadian.
They're usually way nicer and more laid back aboot things like this, eh?

 

[habman]

I believe it is 24 rounds of each of the 12 owners nominating 1 player. there wouldn't be a "round" 28.

Unless you’re going to allow teams to nominate players after they’ve filled out their 24 player roster, then no, there would not be 24 rounds of 12 owners each nominating 1 player.

There absolutely could be a “round 28.”

Hey, I'm just trying to make sense of this guys league. The problem he presented isn't something any league I've been in or commish wouldn't have accounted for in the rules, and I wouldn't ever describe my auction in rounds. I personally would have let this auction stand and fix the rules for next year. It was obvious early in the thread the OP mostly came here to get people to back up what he already wanted to do.

I think that’s a fair assessment and that was wrong on my part. I should have gone in a different direction to explain this.

I am fairly convinced that half of the responders don’t even participate in auctions. “28 rounds is possible”, no, it’s not, but ok.

They are called rounds because that is how it is presented on the website. We had 23.1 rounds in this auction. The week before, I was in a 12 team 18 round auction. It finished @ 18.12.

Thanks to all the serious responders.

How are nominations made? By each owner in a rotisserie format until they blow their budget or fill out their roster is the norm. If a team spends their money and fills out their roster early then by the sounds of it they are still allowed to nominate players which I find unusual by the way you are describing rounds.

 

[SayWhat?]

I am fairly convinced that half of the responders don’t even participate in auctions. “28 rounds is possible”, no, it’s not, but ok.

They are called rounds because that is how it is presented on the website. We had 23.1 rounds in this auction. The week before, I was in a 12 team 18 round auction. It finished @ 18.12.

Thanks to all the serious responders.

I guess those that didn’t agree with your obvious position or had different opinions aren’t serious responders? Ok.

Tell me this. In your 24 round auction (THAT CAN’T EXCEED 24 ROUNDS because we are all dumb if we think otherwise), if I throw out elite players for $1 every round and sit mute until round 22 while everyone bids those players up and fills their roster out, how do I end up with my 24 player roster by “round 24?”

I can only nominate one player each round, right? Isn’t every time I nominate a new player beyond that considered a new round? If so, the auction could conceivably go 40+ “rounds.”

Regardless, sounds you’re content that you were able to shame that owner into dropping that 25th player (I.e. likely meaningless long shot) to make up for the fact that IR wasn’t shut off during the auction. Mission accomplished.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I am going to try and say this is a nice way.

IMO it sounds like you already made up your mind that this guy was “ cheating” and wanted posters here to back up your feelings. Since that didn’t happen you are getting hurt feelings and defensive. I am not in auction leagues so I didn’t chime in, but posters here have great advice. If I were you, I would consider taking the advice, adding a rule going forward, and moving on.

 

[Gally]

I can only nominate one player each round, right? Isn’t every time I nominate a new player beyond that considered a new round? If so, the auction could conceivably go 40+ “rounds.”

This is a semantics issue (I think) but the OP hasn't defined what he is considering a "round". Most of the posters saying you can go more than 24 rounds are defining a round as the number of times an owner nominates a player. They have defined a "round" as every eligible team nominating a player. Some rounds towards the end may only have 4 eligible teams since 8 teams have filled out their roster. But that doesn't mean that they each nominate 3 players that "round". But maybe that is what the OP means. He is defining a "round" as 12 nominations regardless of who nominates the player.

In my dynasty league we have a restricted free agent auction prior to the rookie draft. Any team with salary cap space can participate in the auction. Prior to the start of the auction we randomly draw numbers to assign a nomination order. We do this for 5 rounds worth of nomination order. As teams get eliminated from participating as they run out of money their team name is removed from the nomination order. We don't fill in those spots with eligible teams. One nomination per team per "round".

We also allow 2 free passes where you don't have to nominate a player for strategic reasons. A team may have little money and doesn't want their guy outbid so they may pass. We also have a rule that if no players are nominated in a "round" that ends the auction. So if there are three teams remaining and the first two guys to nominate pass the third guy can end the auction by also passing. Then all the restricted free agents enter the rookie draft and can be drafted.

All that to say, a "round" is each eligible team nominating a player. Doesn't matter how many teams are in the auction. It could be two it could be 12. But each "round" consists of one nomination per eligible team.

 

[Big Nate]

Let’s stop saying it was 24 rounds. It was an auction, not a draft. Some owners might have their 24 player roster filled out after “round 3” and not nominate another player the rest of the way.

The fact that IR was available and he used it can’t be undone. You can’t take his last player away, because it theory that could’ve been a $25 player. You move on and close the loophole next year. So he got an extra player. It’s really a near zero impact in the grand scheme of things.

It is 24 rounds my friend. It even says so in the email and rules. 24 rounds of nomination.

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

These things happen and some you cannot foresee. Just how it is. It is why we can't have nice things and why we need rules and regulations. People try to cheat and bend the rules on what is allowed.

Putting a rule in for this in future years is a good thing and clarifies it for everyone.

 

[TLEF316]

Guy took advantage of a flaw/loophole in the way the software works. (essentially assigning players to a roster and allowing you to change their status before the draft/auction was completed).

I would think any sort of long-time fantasy player knows that this is not how things are supposed to happen. I think he probably knew he was getting away with something. I dont like playing with people like that and I think its pretty lame but I dont think you can punish him for it.

There was no official rule and the software allowed it. So just chalk it up to a dumb one-off and add a rule going forward (assuming the league agrees and wants to add the rule rather than just allow everyone to use that loophole going forward)

 

[Gally]

This is essentially what I did. He dropped his last player on his own after shaming him publicly. For more context, he is my one problem league mate going back 10 years or so. I should have said this from the beginning, but I was trying to be objective.

New league rule written.

Ah, I see now. You have baggage with this guy so everything he does you inherently think he is trying to game the system. I have a couple owners like this in one of my leagues. I understand how you can let the past affect the future but you gotta fight that urge and look at things fresh as a commish. It's hard to do.

I don't think you have done that here. You have let this 10 yr problem child taint your view on this situation. There have been many times when my problem child has circumvented the letter of the law but in those cases if there wasn't a rule against what he did it would be allowed and then we closed the loophole to future exploitation.

It has gotten to the point now where the problem child has even asked permission on things if it is in the grey area because I have had discussions with him about the letter of the law vs the intent of the law and he now understands that concept and has realized it's better for everyone to ask if what he is thinking will be allowed or not before doing it. It doesn't always happen but after almost 20 yrs of this league we have closed virtually all loopholes (we think) so it doesn't happen as much now.

 

[Gally]

I would think any sort of long-time fantasy player knows that this is not how things are supposed to happen. I think he probably knew he was getting away with something. I dont like playing with people like that and I think its pretty lame but I dont think you can punish him for it.

I wouldn't say this. The action itself isn't nefarious. I am in leagues that do allow roster movement like this and others that do not. It's not a "i got away with it, (evil laugh)" action. Now could he have put out a question in the chat once he saw the site let him do it, sure but I could easily see where he tried it and it worked and he thought it must be allowed then.

In most leagues if the software allows something that means it's ok to do. At least that is how some of my leagues are and for the things we cannot close the loophole on through the software we have a rule in place if something is not allowed.

 

[TLEF316]

I would think any sort of long-time fantasy player knows that this is not how things are supposed to happen. I think he probably knew he was getting away with something. I dont like playing with people like that and I think its pretty lame but I dont think you can punish him for it.

I wouldn't say this. The action itself isn't nefarious. I am in leagues that does allow roster movement like this and others that do not. It's not a "i got away with it, (evil laugh)" action. Now could he have put out a question in the chat once he saw the site let him do it, sure but I could easily see where he tried it and it worked and he thought it must be allowed then.

In most leagues if the software allows something that means it's ok to do. At least that is how some of my leagues are and for the things we cannot close the loophole on through the software we have a rule in place if something is not allowed.

Maybe. I dont have much experience at all with auction leagues (and i haven't played in a league hosted anywhere other than Yahoo or ESPN for years)....so maybe things are different now.

But every league I've ever played in works the same way. Your roster page isn't populated (or at the very least doesn't allow status changes) until after the draft is completed and then any players were who weren't picked have to go through waivers. If you want to move one of your players to IR and pick up someone else, you have to do it through that process.

 

[JoeSteeler]

OP, please change the title from “ Auction issue - what to do?” to “ Auction issue - here is what I did” TIA

 

[Gally]

But every league I've ever played in works the same way. Your roster page isn't populated (or at the very least doesn't allow status changes) until after the draft is completed and then any players were who weren't picked have to go through waivers. If you want to move one of your players to IR and pick up someone else, you have to do it through that process.

And if that's how the site is set up then that is how it should be done. No argument here. Do you know if the site would allow you to do what the guy did in this league?

 

[TLEF316]

But every league I've ever played in works the same way. Your roster page isn't populated (or at the very least doesn't allow status changes) until after the draft is completed and then any players were who weren't picked have to go through waivers. If you want to move one of your players to IR and pick up someone else, you have to do it through that process.

And if that's how the site is set up then that is how it should be done. No argument here. Do you know if the site would allow you to do what the guy did in this league?

No idea. (certainly not in a traditional draft league, as the draft would still just end after everyone makes their 24 selections)

Not arguing that he should be punished. Just seems pretty obvious to me that he did something he probably knew was against the spirit of how FF basically always works. If the league agrees, fix it for next year.

I'm not a guy who plays in super high stakes leagues...so I'm not constantly looking for some sort of little edge to take advantage of to win money. (so I dont do stuff outside the spirit of the rules just because some flaw in the system allows it) Seems like the "culprit" in the OP is. I'd rather have a good relationship and have fun with my league mates than leave everyone salty over exploiting a loophole to "steal" an extra player a few days early.

 

[Gally]

I'm not a guy who plays in super high stakes leagues...so I'm not constantly looking for some sort of little edge to take advantage of to win money. (so I dont do stuff outside the spirit of the rules just because some flaw in the system allows it) Seems like the "culprit" in the OP is. I'd rather have a good relationship and have fun with my league mates than leave everyone salty over exploiting a loophole to "steal" an extra player a few days early.

I guess this is where I differ. I don't think what he did was outside the "spirit of the rules". I think it's a league to league thing on whether it's allowed or not allowed. I don't think there is a right or wrong.......just a how we are set up kind of thing. If it was never discussed in the 10 yrs of the league then I don't think trying it to see if the site allowed it is against any spirit of the rules type thing. If the site didn't allow it then I would have thought, I guess we can't do that.

I don't think it is a big deal one way or the other. Just need a rule to clarify whether it's allowed or not. Now they will have a rule.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In most leagues if the software allows something that means it's ok to do

That is always my assumption.

And it’s not like he IR’d a player who wasn’t IR eligible, so…

I dunno. I woulda just let it go and put the rule up to vote for the next season (or made a commish decree if that’s how your leagues roll)

I don’t see it as a big deal regardless.

 

[pinkstapler]

If I were that guy who had to drop his player, I'd want whatever dollar amount I spent on him added to my budget for next years rookie draft as a compromise/compensation.

Agree with the takes that this post majorly feels like you were seeking validation in your predetermined opinion; not unbiased advice and feedback.

It's also very telling you straight up ignored half a dozen posts which questioned your 24 rounds take; which I'm about 99% sure is incorrect. As others have pointed out, nominations may rotate through all owners evenly, but people winning each nomination final bid ARE NOT rotating through evenly. I could win the first 24 nomination final bids and fill my roster and all other owners will have empty rosters. That's not the end of the draft lol. Similarly, it's a standard in auction leagues that once you fill your roster, you no longer nominate players as you can't bid on them yourself. You could just nominate scrubs no one wants. And the whole point of a nomination with minimum bid is if no one else bids, you retain that player for minimum bid. Which obviously wouldn't be possible if your roster is full. The fact you went without addressing this several times despite responding to other posters probably irked me the most...

If you're just seeking echo chamber validation to feel better about yourself, or to use to shame other members in your league... IMO find a new place to do that. It's self-serving and a waste of others time.

 

[J Giles Band]

This is essentially what I did. He dropped his last player on his own after shaming him publicly. For more context, he is my one problem league mate going back 10 years or so. I should have said this from the beginning, but I was trying to be objective.

New league rule written.

Ah, I see now. You have baggage with this guy so everything he does you inherently think he is trying to game the system. I have a couple owners like this in one of my leagues. I understand how you can let the past affect the future but you gotta fight that urge and look at things fresh as a commish. It's hard to do.

I don't think you have done that here. You have let this 10 yr problem child taint your view on this situation. There have been many times when my problem child has circumvented the letter of the law but in those cases if there wasn't a rule against what he did it would be allowed and then we closed the loophole to future exploitation.

It has gotten to the point now where the problem child has even asked permission on things if it is in the grey area because I have had discussions with him about the letter of the law vs the intent of the law and he now understands that concept and has realized it's better for everyone to ask if what he is thinking will be allowed or not before doing it. It doesn't always happen but after almost 20 yrs of this league we have closed virtually all loopholes (we think) so it doesn't happen as much now.

Same. I have a very similar problem child (or two)... I do appreciate when they get to the point they ask if it is a grey area and not black and white. If they are understanding of the dilemma that not everything has an express rule written for it, but respect the general intent of the rules, it makes everyone's life easier.

The guys who want to exploit every single loophole (things that are clearly outside the intent of the rules), and then aren't willing to acknowledge the potential issue (they just want to be allowed to do what they want to do) can take the fun out of this hobby.

 

[Gally]

The guys who want to exploit every single loophole (things that are clearly outside the intent of the rules), and then aren't willing to acknowledge the potential issue (they just want to be allowed to do what they want to do) can take the fun out of this hobby.

This is the most trying aspect of day to day commish duties. Guys that are always trying to circumvent rules for their benefit when it is clearly against the intent of the rule even if it's not explicitly stated.

 

[J Giles Band]

The guys who want to exploit every single loophole (things that are clearly outside the intent of the rules), and then aren't willing to acknowledge the potential issue (they just want to be allowed to do what they want to do) can take the fun out of this hobby.

This is the most trying aspect of day to day commish duties. Guys that are always trying to circumvent rules for their benefit when it is clearly against the intent of the rule even if it's not explicitly stated.

Exactly. This is why we have a 'for the good of the league' or maybe better described 'for anything not expressly covered' clause which basically gives the commissioner broad authority in the event something is not explicitly covered (but the intent is clear and everyone should know right from wrong). Has almost never come up thankfully, but Gally, I think I remember you previously mentioned something similar in your constitution to address rules not expressly covered.

 

[Gally]

Has almost never come up thankfully, but Gally, I think I remember you previously mentioned something similar in your constitution to address rules not expressly covered.

Yep

 

[N Zone]

You guys act Ike this is a normal thing. Who has an actual bylaw about such a thing? I know we will now, but holy crap. You guys act like I should have known or something. Harsh.

I do.

Of course you do.

I just don't think it's that big of deal one way or the other. I agree that it's cleaner if you don't allow roster transactions (trades, putting guys on TS or IR, etc) in the middle of an auction.

In our baseball auction we ended up putting in a rule that you couldn't trade during the auction because we had someone forget about an injured player and was essentially out of money at the very end and traded a couple guys away to free up money to now go over another owner that waited until they had the most money to nominate that player. We allowed it to happen because there was no rule against it but we remedied that the following year and didn't allow trades mid auction to prevent this type thing.

Nobody realized, especially me, that this could happen. We are in year 12. Mostly no drama in this league.

so why create drama? you didn't know he could IR someone, he didn't know he couldn't IR someone. wasn't stated in the rules. no biggie. let it stand and make a rule next year clarifying if it is allowed or not

This is essentially what I did. He dropped his last player on his own after shaming him publicly. For more context, he is my one problem league mate going back 10 years or so. I should have said this from the beginning, but I was trying to be objective.

New league rule written.

Sounds like you're the problem.

Make sure to thank your commissioner, it’s a thankless Payless job.

I'll thank myself then.