audible wk 12 recap (1 Viewer)

[eom]

just listening to the b side now, and I've noticed that you've said the pats don't run the ball and have no interest in running.

as I've noticed other people saying that, and as it also seems the polar opposite of reality, I was wondering if one of you guys could comment on that and maybe support that statement a little.

I'm assuming you were talking about more than just the first half of the most recent game.

 

[RenegadeGM]

NFL ranks:

Rushing attempts:

8. New England 332 (30.2/gm)

Rushing yards:

8. New England 1,336 yds. (124.2/gm)

Rushing TDs

T-3. New England 12

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

just listening to the b side now, and I've noticed that you've said the pats don't run the ball and have no interest in running.as I've noticed other people saying that, and as it also seems the polar opposite of reality, I was wondering if one of you guys could comment on that and maybe support that statement a little.I'm assuming you were talking about more than just the first half of the most recent game.

I do agree that the numbers are deceptive and that this needs more clarification. Here's what I am noticing:1) Since Morris got hurt, the Pats don't seem to interested in establishing a workhorse RB, or a run heavy attack. Maroney and Morris were both getting double digit carries early in the season. Since he came back from his injury, Maroney's high carry total is 15, which is the high for an NE RB since Morris got hurt.2) A lot of the runs by Faulk are coming out of passing formations, and in general Faulk has been out there more because Maroney is not nearly as useful unless they want to telegraph that they are running.3) Even in the Buffalo and Miami blowouts, New England did not go run heavy until late in the game, where most teams would at oh, a four touchdown lead. 4) The Pats average about 30 rushing attempts a game - five of their games above their average were their first five games of the year. in the last six games, they've only topped thirty once. Four of Brady's five games with the highest number of passing attempts all year also came during the last six games. Why do I pick the last six games? Because Morris got hurt in game six - they reflect the offense post-Morris.The YTD numbers do make the Pats look like a very balanced team, but the gameplan as of late, save for one or two run heavy drives in the first half, has definitely been past first since the Dallas game.Of course, I would never completely rule out them throwing a changeup and surprising a team with a run heavy attack, but it won't be against the Ravens, who are still the only D giving up less than three yards a carry.Thanks for listening!

 

[eom]

yeah, I would definitely agree w/you on baltimore, but I think weeks 15 and 16 you will see them run the ball plenty against miami and the jets.

if maroney can stay healthy a couple more weeks.....

I think you have to be careful when you extrapolate out from a very small sample size and try to qualitatively assess what's going on, because the situations in football games are always fluid.

my observation from watching a lot of pats games, and maybe yudkin or some others can back me up, is that belichick likes to run the ball about half the time, depending on opponent, of course.

what I love about that team is that they try not to get too predictable w/their offense, and like to establish the run so that the other team never knows what to expect on any given down, and the play action stuff will remain effective.

now, you've already made the observation that the pats ran the ball plenty when morris was available, so you know their intent -- the question being if maroney can also fill that role.

week 7 - maroney just coming back off injury, maybe not 100% getting few carries.

week 8 - pats run the ball 28x

week 9 - pats run the ball on half their plays in first half of game vs indy, then probably get away from it in second half throwing to moss

week 11 - maroney supposedly injures foot early in 2nd quarter and sits out rest of game -- evans and eckel carry the ball 20x in second half.

week 12 - belichick decides to come out in first half running no huddle shotgun

so, that's basically a lot of excuses, but clearly belichick usually likes to run the ball half the time, while not being tied down to it, and I think w/injury and a couple situational things the stars just haven't aligned for that to happen recently.

I certainly wouldn't say they "don't run the ball", or "have no interest in running".

unless you expect the no huddle shotgun all year, we should see them running the ball if maroney can stay healthy.

although, maybe not so much against baltimore.......

 

[eom]

bump for rebuttal, plz.

I hate the spread of misinformation.

edit ps

also, there are not enough pats threads -- if dman and timschochet could hop on that?

 

[eom]

I haven't listened to the more recent audibles --- did you guys recant your stance on maroney this week vs the jets?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

I haven't listened to the more recent audibles --- did you guys recant your stance on maroney this week vs the jets?

I had Maroney projected in my top 20 RBs this week because of weather - 100 total yards and 50% chance of TD.

 

[eom]

3 minutes!

damn, that was a quick answer -- you swooped in like a hawk!

that was almost as quick as a bears drive.

so, if it's 35 and sunny next week, w/little wind, will you be saying the pats won't run?

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

3 minutes!damn, that was a quick answer -- you swooped in like a hawk!that was almost as quick as a bears drive.so, if it's 35 and sunny next week, w/little wind, will you be saying the pats won't run?

not at all - I think Maroney will get 18-22 carries and again be worth plugging into the lineup as at least a flex, if not RB2.