jonessed
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They paid a fraction of the cost. Nobody is saying they should be dumped off the programs. The programs simply need to be adjusted to compensate for new life expectancies.
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Baby Boomers: Worst generation ever! (1 Viewer)
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moleculo
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I'm the same age - college between '93 and '98. Looking back on it, it was pretty cool to come of age the same time as the WWW. When I was a freshman, you had to go to a computer lab to access the VAX to be able to e-mail someone, and there was no WWW. within a few years of graduation, everything was on the web and a few years after that, we had mobile apps on our phones.
We truly are a straddle generation because we remember a time when you had to look stuff up the hard way (i.e. phone book, paper map, Dewey Decimal system), but we have been able to adapt to new technology pretty easily (although I still don't get twitter or snapchat).
James Daulton
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You guys are not the straddle generation. When I was in college, there was no email and to do research you had to go to the library and check articles out. Don't try to glom onto the true goat straddle generation (college between 1985 and 1990).
Godsbrother
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Baby Boomers have paid the most into SS, much more than their parent's generation, but you are correct that it won't be enough to cover the cost. I agree the program needs to be adjusted and should have been years ago.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Obviously I am using hindsight, but I feel like it is the government's fault that these programs have failed and they are trying to pass blame. They weren't smart enough or just didn't care to plan for the future. Did they not think we would have advances in medicine, housing, and work that would help people live longer? I think this is just another way to keep all the "common folk" arguing and blaming each other.
This topic also reminds me of my father, I remember when he heard his parents referred to as the greatest generation. He got so upset and yelled " All they did was fight wars and ####. Any group of idiots can do that"
This topic also reminds me of my father, I remember when he heard his parents referred to as the greatest generation. He got so upset and yelled " All they did was fight wars and ####. Any group of idiots can do that"
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PIK95
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I didn't have email until 95 I think? I certainly had no way to check it even if I got any. We had to do the same crap at the Library. We are the straddle generation.
I will admit though, you guys had a much suckier life due to lack of technology and those older early Boomer parents. You must have raised yourselves with your parents drunk or swinging all the time.
My parents were the first to be divorced in my elementary school in 82. You guys missed all that at least.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I don't know, they seem to not want to retire at all so they may never actually start collecting. I think my dad is planning to work until he is 80.
PIK95
Footballguy
Yeah because they sucked up all the money from us with "investment fees", pyramid schemes, and the drug war. I used to have to eat using money I found in Boomers couch cushions because I was so poor.
One day I came across my missing He Man wallet in a Boomers cushion. It was empty of course.
PIK95
Footballguy
If by working you mean hanging around the office, hitting on the young girls, and buying new Corvette's I agree.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
1. They didn't start the fire.
2. This is the generation that produced Wikkidpissah; based on his work in here alone, I'd say the point is moot.
2. This is the generation that produced Wikkidpissah; based on his work in here alone, I'd say the point is moot.
Ditkaless Wonders
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Ditkaless Wonders
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Ditkaless Wonders
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Godsbrother
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Godsbrother
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Thunderlips
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Gen X will have SS. They're the smallest generation and have a big working generation behind them. All they have to do is make it past the Baby Boomer burp and they're in the clear.
apalmer
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jwb
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I feel the same way. I loved that I was a kid in the 70's (b. 1966), and got to see all this cool stuff from the beginning.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
I've tried to figure out AmeriWorld along generational lines for a very long time. I'm largely at a loss to figure out what could/should have been done, mostly for one reason - the world never moved faster nor more powerfully than it did for the course of my lifetime and it may never do so again. My Boomer gen certainly missed the target for pointing society in the best possible direction, but the volume of change that occurred during the Boomer watch created such a force of tide that i'm starting to think it would have been a DeathStar shot if we'd hit it. I am vastly disappointed in my generation, but envy no other.
As mascot of my father's college class - result of the Sputnik story i've told here before - in the 50s, i was on a parade float for some variety of founders' celebration. In a kind of FatherTime/BabyFuture thang, i was seated next to a billion yo Civil War veteran. That's the thing about Boomers - we're connected to and aware of it all.
My grandfather's gen was the "Get outta Dodge" generation. Each of my grandfathers - a Vermont farmer & an Irish dockworker - had done exactly what their fathers had done for over 200 yrs. The farmer went to WW1 for no other reason than to do something, anything besides milk cows & clear fields. The dockworker got his ### to America as soon as he possibly could. Freedom & opportunity was a gleam in each their eye.
My father missed WW2 as head-of household for WW1-gassed grandad, but he's Greatest Gen thru&thru. Freedom & opportunity looked him straight in the eye and he stared them b*tches down. First to college, invented the gro-light, burbs, 2.3 kids who were gonna change the world and screeeech!
The son who was on TV when he was 3, tested off the charts, double-promoted-and-returned twice never even applied to college. Knocked up a Sicilian girl @ 16, hit the road to avoid her brothers and discovered a weird, wild world where everything was going on all at once. Luckier than a lot of folk, unluckier than others, the world said "look at me" so i did. Did the nasty to freedom & opportunity til the stank just screamed to be let out.
And that's us Boomers. We exploded upon the world, the best equipped generation in the history of personhood literally hit the streets to fulfill the dreams of all that preceded us to bring AstronautUnicefKennedy freedom & opportunity to all the world. And Nixon slapped us down (for years i had a pic on my fridge of John Mitchell overseeing the herding of half - including me - of the '71 anti-war March on Washington into a ballfield-turned-detention-center from the balcony of his apartment.....in the Watergate Hotel) for everyone who had worked too hard to give it up that easy. All amped up, no power, we turned our sights on the culture and blew that thing up reeeeal good.
That's what we did for good and all - broke every rule. Maddeningly wonderful for everydamnthing you do to be breaking somebody's rule for sum'n....and for the very first time as often as not. We got lost in that and that's where our biggest generational mistake occured - we did not quorum on whether there should be a new set of rules.
Belief is the blood of the soul. The Baby Boom were the first generation allowed to believe whatever they wanted and they forgot to believe in anything. Me...Yoko & me. When you're beboppin&scattin with a head full of righteous substances, a multi-track board, directional mikes, phase-shifters and a dozen groupies awaiting the result, your answer to "What do you believe?" is gonna be "...huh?!". And we raised our kids improvisationally and in direct & depressing reaction to the rules by which we'd been raised. And our kids believed nothing but that the media was the message and in the relativities, not necessities, of life. And truth. And woe is us.
The balloon's full, kids - gonna pop soon. Masculine rules, childish tantrums and feminine coddling have us past the point of change without great upheaval. For my part, i'm working on a blog (debuting sometime in '17) that is the culmination of this kid-in-the-catbird-seat's 20yr search for the sense of it all. Truth, beauty, progress and happiness is available to every human that can read this page, but not by following our present ways. A few hundred years from now we'll be laughing at our behavioral health as much we do now about physical health a few centuries ago. I can at least say i'm in on the joke, Stay tuned. nufced
As mascot of my father's college class - result of the Sputnik story i've told here before - in the 50s, i was on a parade float for some variety of founders' celebration. In a kind of FatherTime/BabyFuture thang, i was seated next to a billion yo Civil War veteran. That's the thing about Boomers - we're connected to and aware of it all.
My grandfather's gen was the "Get outta Dodge" generation. Each of my grandfathers - a Vermont farmer & an Irish dockworker - had done exactly what their fathers had done for over 200 yrs. The farmer went to WW1 for no other reason than to do something, anything besides milk cows & clear fields. The dockworker got his ### to America as soon as he possibly could. Freedom & opportunity was a gleam in each their eye.
My father missed WW2 as head-of household for WW1-gassed grandad, but he's Greatest Gen thru&thru. Freedom & opportunity looked him straight in the eye and he stared them b*tches down. First to college, invented the gro-light, burbs, 2.3 kids who were gonna change the world and screeeech!
The son who was on TV when he was 3, tested off the charts, double-promoted-and-returned twice never even applied to college. Knocked up a Sicilian girl @ 16, hit the road to avoid her brothers and discovered a weird, wild world where everything was going on all at once. Luckier than a lot of folk, unluckier than others, the world said "look at me" so i did. Did the nasty to freedom & opportunity til the stank just screamed to be let out.
And that's us Boomers. We exploded upon the world, the best equipped generation in the history of personhood literally hit the streets to fulfill the dreams of all that preceded us to bring AstronautUnicefKennedy freedom & opportunity to all the world. And Nixon slapped us down (for years i had a pic on my fridge of John Mitchell overseeing the herding of half - including me - of the '71 anti-war March on Washington into a ballfield-turned-detention-center from the balcony of his apartment.....in the Watergate Hotel) for everyone who had worked too hard to give it up that easy. All amped up, no power, we turned our sights on the culture and blew that thing up reeeeal good.
That's what we did for good and all - broke every rule. Maddeningly wonderful for everydamnthing you do to be breaking somebody's rule for sum'n....and for the very first time as often as not. We got lost in that and that's where our biggest generational mistake occured - we did not quorum on whether there should be a new set of rules.
Belief is the blood of the soul. The Baby Boom were the first generation allowed to believe whatever they wanted and they forgot to believe in anything. Me...Yoko & me. When you're beboppin&scattin with a head full of righteous substances, a multi-track board, directional mikes, phase-shifters and a dozen groupies awaiting the result, your answer to "What do you believe?" is gonna be "...huh?!". And we raised our kids improvisationally and in direct & depressing reaction to the rules by which we'd been raised. And our kids believed nothing but that the media was the message and in the relativities, not necessities, of life. And truth. And woe is us.
The balloon's full, kids - gonna pop soon. Masculine rules, childish tantrums and feminine coddling have us past the point of change without great upheaval. For my part, i'm working on a blog (debuting sometime in '17) that is the culmination of this kid-in-the-catbird-seat's 20yr search for the sense of it all. Truth, beauty, progress and happiness is available to every human that can read this page, but not by following our present ways. A few hundred years from now we'll be laughing at our behavioral health as much we do now about physical health a few centuries ago. I can at least say i'm in on the joke, Stay tuned. nufced
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wikkidpissah
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roadkill1292
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Whoa there, all these things happened before the boomers' watch, mostly by the so-called "greatest" generation and you're damned right I'm always gonna put that in quotes. In fact, that woman suffrage thingy even precedes that generation and you can't manage a modern nation without it anyway so I don't get the beef.
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Every generation blames the one before.
James Daulton
Footballguy
Don't you disparage the greatest generation hippie! And believe me, this nation would get along just fine keeping women away from the voting booth.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Postponing entitlement reform so that their generation could receive rich benefits and punt to later generations is a real criticism, IMO.
Did specific people, like posters in here, do the right thing by paying into the system and playing by the rules? Absolutely they did.
Both can be true. It's failed leadership.
The programs are about to be eviscerated though. Boomers will be spared the pain, given their age.
Did specific people, like posters in here, do the right thing by paying into the system and playing by the rules? Absolutely they did.
Both can be true. It's failed leadership.
The programs are about to be eviscerated though. Boomers will be spared the pain, given their age.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Vanilla Guerrilla
Footballguy
I like pointing out to my dad that the difference between him (Boomer) and the "greatest generation" was that the greatest was able to actually win a war instead of getting whooped by third world countries.msudaisy26 said:
wikkidpissah
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James Daulton
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
The way I have always understood it is there really isn't a Gen Y anymore. It used to be the people born from 80ish to 95ish, but now they just seem to put the first 5 or so years in with Gen X and the last 10 in with Millennials.
Zow
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Here are the birth years for each generation:
- iGen, Gen Z or Centennials: Born 1996 and later.
- Millennials or Gen Y: Born 1977 to 1995.
- Generation X: Born 1965 to 1976.
- Baby Boomers: Born 1946 to 1964.
- Traditionalists or Silent Generation: Born 1945 and before.
James Daulton
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'm not sure how accurate that is - was what The Google told me
RandyDB
Footballguy
American Generations Timeline
Though there is a consensus on the general time period for generations, there is not an agreement on the exact year that each generation begins and ends.
GI Generation
Born 1901-1924 (Age 90+)
They were teenagers during the Great Depression and fought in World War II. Sometimes called the greatest generation (following a book by journalist Tom Brokaw) or the swing generation because of their jazz music.
Silent Generation
Born 1925-1942 (Age 72-89)
They were too young to see action in World War II and too old to participate in the fun of the Summer of Love. This label describes their conformist tendencies and belief that following the rules was a sure ticket to success.
Baby Boomers
Born 1943-1964 (Age 50-71)
The boomers were born during an economic and baby boom following World War II. These hippie kids protested against the Vietnam War and participated in the civil rights movement, all with rock 'n' roll music blaring in the background.
Generation X
Born 1965-1979 (Age 35-49)
They were originally called the baby busters because fertility rates fell after the boomers. As teenagers, they experienced the AIDs epidemic and the fall of the Berlin Wall. Sometimes called the MTV Generation, the "X" in their name refers to this generation's desire not to be defined.
Millennials
Born 1980-2000 (Age 14-34)
They experienced the rise of the Internet, Sept. 11 and the wars that followed. Sometimes called Generation Y. Because of their dependence on technology, they are said to be entitled and narcissistic.
Generation Z
Born 2001-2013 (Age 1-13)
These kids were the first born with the Internet and are suspected to be the most individualistic and technology-dependent generation. Sometimes referred to as the iGeneration.
Though there is a consensus on the general time period for generations, there is not an agreement on the exact year that each generation begins and ends.
GI Generation
Born 1901-1924 (Age 90+)
They were teenagers during the Great Depression and fought in World War II. Sometimes called the greatest generation (following a book by journalist Tom Brokaw) or the swing generation because of their jazz music.
Silent Generation
Born 1925-1942 (Age 72-89)
They were too young to see action in World War II and too old to participate in the fun of the Summer of Love. This label describes their conformist tendencies and belief that following the rules was a sure ticket to success.
Baby Boomers
Born 1943-1964 (Age 50-71)
The boomers were born during an economic and baby boom following World War II. These hippie kids protested against the Vietnam War and participated in the civil rights movement, all with rock 'n' roll music blaring in the background.
Generation X
Born 1965-1979 (Age 35-49)
They were originally called the baby busters because fertility rates fell after the boomers. As teenagers, they experienced the AIDs epidemic and the fall of the Berlin Wall. Sometimes called the MTV Generation, the "X" in their name refers to this generation's desire not to be defined.
Millennials
Born 1980-2000 (Age 14-34)
They experienced the rise of the Internet, Sept. 11 and the wars that followed. Sometimes called Generation Y. Because of their dependence on technology, they are said to be entitled and narcissistic.
Generation Z
Born 2001-2013 (Age 1-13)
These kids were the first born with the Internet and are suspected to be the most individualistic and technology-dependent generation. Sometimes referred to as the iGeneration.
Rockchild
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This is much ado about nothing. You can 'blame' the Boomers for how the country or, world for that matter, has turned out but it is what it is. Choices and decisions are made at the time that seem correct but maybe don't turn out the way we expect them to. I don't think any of the decisions were done maliciously but we're actually done with the best of intents. We can only do at the time with what information we have. Everyone does it.
Being from Alberta, we've gone through multiple oil booms and every time is the same thing...people think it will never end. Houses are lost, cars repossessed and debt is massively accumulated. Even GenXers and Millenials this last boom! Go figure.
Life will go on. Solutions will be found. There will be winners and losers. You'll be alright?
Being from Alberta, we've gone through multiple oil booms and every time is the same thing...people think it will never end. Houses are lost, cars repossessed and debt is massively accumulated. Even GenXers and Millenials this last boom! Go figure.
Life will go on. Solutions will be found. There will be winners and losers. You'll be alright?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Any Gen Zs in here I can hate on?
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PIK95
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
Are they any worse than other generations? Or is it magnified because they are so many more boomers compared to X's and Millennials? I am seriously asking.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Absolutely not. Pretty much all of my friends. I'm 54. Born in '62. First job at 14. Took a bus to get there. Always had a job, paid for my own first car, insurance, all spending money, paid every dime of college (had to quit baseball because couldn't work full time, go to college, and play ball). Married at 24, saved for a house, first kid at 26, paid for 3 great kids to go through college. Worked my ### off, zero pension, have had to watch the market tank 401K's multiple times. Paid max into SS for years. Haven't received a dime for anything yet - but I'm getting taxed plenty to pay for a bunch of stuff.PIK95 said:
Yet people think we are leeches and made the world worse off. Maybe you're right. Take that year (sabbatical before work?) off this generations feels entitled to traveling the globe to meditate and come back with answers instead of just #####ing about it. Hopefully you'll be ready to roll up your sleeves before you turn 30. Doubtful.
Quit tying us to pensions. Only ones that have those anymore are mostly government related. Police, fire, city workers, Water and Power, schools/universities, some mandated by unions, etc. Or those that mandate early retirement (pilots).
I'm all for eliminating pensions and making it an equal playing field for all. 401K's for everyone.
Seriously hoping the Gen X's, Gen Y's, Millennials will change things for the better. We'll see who walks the talk vs. just complaining about the hand that they've been dealt.
Doctor Detroit
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Looks like the millennials got the whiny gene directly from the boomers. 
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
*hands on hips* Yesiree! Ain't no one can raise a pissant like a Baby Boomer!!Looks like the millennials got the whiny gene directly from the boomers.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Dr. Phil would say it is the fault of us Boomers for coddling our entitled seed...Have to agree on that one
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