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Baltimore: The Next Ferguson? (1 Viewer)

Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/05/06/this-isnt-1968-baltimore-isnt-watts-and-hillary-clinton-isnt-michael-dukakis/

This article gives some fantastic incite into how these death spirals happen to people's lives. Second half of it is more relevant to the discussion at hand. First half is some Hillary cheerleading if you can keep your breakfast down the second half is awesome.
:goodposting:

One of the better op-eds I've written in a while, even with the meandering discussion of Clinton/election politics at the beginning. Anyone interested in any subject related to this story/thread should consider it mandatory reading.
He spent a lot of time talking about how 5 shootings of cops in New York is less than historical figures, but fails to mention that police brutality is also down dramatically in NY this year. Only 1 person has died at the hands of an NYPD cop in the last 5 months. 1. Totally disingenuous of him not to mention that stat as well.
:rolleyes:

The point being made there has nothing whatsoever to do with police brutality rates. In fact there's no mention whatsoever of police brutality except arguably as a small part of the long narrative about Antonio Morgan's lifetime of experiences with law enforcement, where it mentions he was tased once. The word "brutality" doesn't even appear in the article, nor does the word "force" except following the word "police."

Edit- my word search initially missed two references to "excessive force." My bad. Both are in passing, though, so the point stands.
I'm referring to the Blako article comparing the civil unrest in 1968 to 2015. Declining police brutality numbers are no less relevant than the declining numbers of NY police offers killed, which he talked about at length. If anything the declining police brutality numbers are more relevant to any discussion about civil unrest and their impact on policy now and during the campaign, as that is what is likely to lead to more or less civil unrest in the coming months. People don't riot over cops being killed.
The context in which he's discussing police being killed is in response to two other columns which highlighted it as part of an argument that "police operate in an increasingly dangerous environment." He's disproving that notion. That section of the op-ed has literally nothing to do with police brutality or with rioting.

You're criticizing someone for not writing about something totally irrelevant to any of his points because you wanted him to write about it.

 
Apparently the first hearing is going to be about the knife and whether or not those charges should be dropped. If the information I have is correct, then those charges SHOULD be dropped (false imprisonment.) However, I have yet to hear the prosecution respond in any way to to the criticism, so there may be another side to this.

I do not know when this first hearing will take place, and I can't find it anywhere in the various reports on this matter. Does anybody know? Is there a general timeline of events?

(On Law and Order, the trial always takes place within 15 minutes after the arrest, dammit!)

 
Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/05/06/this-isnt-1968-baltimore-isnt-watts-and-hillary-clinton-isnt-michael-dukakis/

This article gives some fantastic incite into how these death spirals happen to people's lives. Second half of it is more relevant to the discussion at hand. First half is some Hillary cheerleading if you can keep your breakfast down the second half is awesome.
:goodposting:

One of the better op-eds I've written in a while, even with the meandering discussion of Clinton/election politics at the beginning. Anyone interested in any subject related to this story/thread should consider it mandatory reading.
He spent a lot of time talking about how 5 shootings of cops in New York is less than historical figures, but fails to mention that police brutality is also down dramatically in NY this year. Only 1 person has died at the hands of an NYPD cop in the last 5 months. 1. Totally disingenuous of him not to mention that stat as well.
:rolleyes:

The point being made there has nothing whatsoever to do with police brutality rates. In fact there's no mention whatsoever of police brutality except arguably as a small part of the long narrative about Antonio Morgan's lifetime of experiences with law enforcement, where it mentions he was tased once. The word "brutality" doesn't even appear in the article, nor does the word "force" except following the word "police."

Edit- my word search initially missed two references to "excessive force." My bad. Both are in passing, though, so the point stands.
I'm referring to the Blako article comparing the civil unrest in 1968 to 2015. Declining police brutality numbers are no less relevant than the declining numbers of NY police offers killed, which he talked about at length. If anything the declining police brutality numbers are more relevant to any discussion about civil unrest and their impact on policy now and during the campaign, as that is what is likely to lead to more or less civil unrest in the coming months. People don't riot over cops being killed.
The context in which he's discussing police being killed is in response to two other columns which highlighted it as part of an argument that "police operate in an increasingly dangerous environment." He's disproving that notion. That section of the op-ed has literally nothing to do with police brutality or with rioting.

You're criticizing someone for not writing about something totally irrelevant to any of his points because you wanted him to write about it.
Yet he wrote:
While 10 cops have been killed by gunfire across the entire country so far in 2015, police in Los Angeles County alone have killed 14 people over the exact same period.
So it's not an issue of irrelevance, it's an issue of him picking and choosing the data points that fit his narrative. I don't want to belabor it, but I did want to point out that there did appear to be some bias in the article.And it also gave me the chance to reiterate once again that in the last 5 months in NYC - a city of 8.5 million people - the total number of people who have died at the hands of police - is 1. Funny how that doesn't get reported anywhere.

 
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Apparently the first hearing is going to be about the knife and whether or not those charges should be dropped. If the information I have is correct, then those charges SHOULD be dropped (false imprisonment.) However, I have yet to hear the prosecution respond in any way to to the criticism, so there may be another side to this.

I do not know when this first hearing will take place, and I can't find it anywhere in the various reports on this matter. Does anybody know? Is there a general timeline of events?

(On Law and Order, the trial always takes place within 15 minutes after the arrest, dammit!)
I posted earlier there is a Preliminary Hearing scheduled for May27th.The hearings for the two officers on the knife are different. I would think those will occur earlier than the 27th.

So if Mosby arrested two officers on the charge of wrongful imprisonment, and the charges end up being bogus, who charges Mosby with wrongful imprisonment of the officers????

 
Yet he wrote:So it's not an issue of irrelevance, it's an issue of him picking and choosing the data points that fit his narrative. I don't want to belabor it, but I did want to point out that there did appear to be done bias in the article.

And it also gave me the chance to reiterate once again that in the last 5 months in NYC - a city of 8.5 million people - the total number of people that have died at the hands of police - is 1. Funny how that doesn't get reported anywhere.
Cherry-picking data is a legitimate criticism, I agree with you there. Although in some sense he has little choice, as there is no reliable aggregated data regarding police killings of civilians because they're not required to report it to anyone who can aggregate it. Ignoring decreasing rates of police brutality in an oped that has little to nothing to do with police brutality, not so much.

As for bias- it's an op-ed, of course its biased. What makes it worthwhile is the narrative of a guy like Morgan and what it means to the larger picture. I thought these passages were particularly good:

I also wonder what would have been said about Morgan if during one of his many arrests he had somehow died in the back of a police van as Freddie Gray did. Certainly we’d hear about all of those arrests. We’d probably hear about how he once abandoned his children in a parking lot. We’d definitely hear that police once had to Tase him, threatened to do so on another occasion, and that he had once been arrested for assaulting a cop.

People like Morgan put the lie to blaming all of this on “black culture.” Morgan isn’t a drug pusher. He isn’t an absentee father. He isn’t in a gang. He’s a guy trying to do right by his family. Yet people like Morgan also show how the system feeds into the lie. Despite his biography, it would be very easy to portray Morgan as the very stereotype of “black culture” that law-and-order types rail against.
“Look at the root causes” has become a profane phrase in politics, but there are significant costs to rising up. People only do it when they’re desperate. Probing for the root of that desperation isn’t justifying the violence; it’s merely recognizing that the violence means that something has gone terribly wrong. Fix what went wrong, and perhaps you can reduce the chances that the violence will happen again.

In his column, Richard Cohen bemoans Hillary Clinton for “blaming white racism for the disproportionate number of black men behind bars” and chastises her for saying “nothing about the high incidence of criminality among young black men, surely a factor.” But this misses the point. Many white people hear “racism” and immediately think it’s a personal accusation. But a system can be racist without any racism from the people who operate within it. Look again at St. Louis County. Antonio Morgan’s business is located in the town of Pine Lawn. It’s one of the most egregious offenders in the county. But Pine Lawn is 96 percent black. Most of its city officials are and have been black. In fact, Anthony Gray, the attorney for Michael Brown’s family, is the town’s former police chief and current prosecutor.

But Antonio Morgan is still a victim of racism. The reason black people in St. Louis County are unfairly and disproportionately targeted by police for minor offenses is due to the very structure of the county’s political and court system.
 
Apparently the first hearing is going to be about the knife and whether or not those charges should be dropped. If the information I have is correct, then those charges SHOULD be dropped (false imprisonment.) However, I have yet to hear the prosecution respond in any way to to the criticism, so there may be another side to this.

I do not know when this first hearing will take place, and I can't find it anywhere in the various reports on this matter. Does anybody know? Is there a general timeline of events?

(On Law and Order, the trial always takes place within 15 minutes after the arrest, dammit!)
I posted earlier there is a Preliminary Hearing scheduled for May27th.The hearings for the two officers on the knife are different. I would think those will occur earlier than the 27th.

So if Mosby arrested two officers on the charge of wrongful imprisonment, and the charges end up being bogus, who charges Mosby with wrongful imprisonment of the officers????
Thanks

 
Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
I'm not really sure I understand posts like this. It's really no better than referencing Republican strongholds and then talking about how crappy the economy or living environment is, as if there are no other factors in play. I remember a map from a few years ago comparing all the blue states to red states and saying the blue states were all faring better than the red. I thought it was unfair, because, again, there are other factors at play.

I think criticisms of policies are fair, if they come with some inkling of thought or analysis. But "hey, Dems/Repubs, you suck!" is a little tiring.
Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas

 
Wow - surprised this has't received more attention. The young man who was seen during the riots putting the traffic cone through the window of the police cruiser just got released on bail - $500,000!!! More than any of the 6 officers charged! Would love to hear officials explain that disparity.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-teen-charged-with-rioting-released-on-500000-bail-20150508-story.html
I have no answer, but is it possible that he may have priors that caused the higher bail? I can't think of another reason.

 
Wow - surprised this has't received more attention. The young man who was seen during the riots putting the traffic cone through the window of the police cruiser just got released on bail - $500,000!!! More than any of the 6 officers charged! Would love to hear officials explain that disparity.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-teen-charged-with-rioting-released-on-500000-bail-20150508-story.html
Isn't obvious? He destroyed police state property.

Just out of curiosity, what was the bail for the people arrested for looting CVS and other private property?

 
Wow - surprised this has't received more attention. The young man who was seen during the riots putting the traffic cone through the window of the police cruiser just got released on bail - $500,000!!! More than any of the 6 officers charged! Would love to hear officials explain that disparity.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-teen-charged-with-rioting-released-on-500000-bail-20150508-story.html
I have no answer, but is it possible that he may have priors that caused the higher bail? I can't think of another reason.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/30/baltimore-rioters-parents-500000-bail-allen-bullock

All eight charges against Bullock are for misdemeanours. Rioting in Maryland carries a maximum sentence of life, according to state sentencing guidelines, but Bullock’s parents, who both have prior criminal convictions, said he could realistically face a sentence of between four and eight years.

The charges against Bullock are his first as an adult, according to his parents, who said he had been convicted of several minor offences as a juvenile over things like “theft and fighting”. They said Bullock earned roughly $15,600 a year working in sanitation for the city under a program for people in juvenile probation.
 
I'm going to the Prince concert (benefit show for BMore youth charities). I guess that's one good thing that will come out of this. I've always wanted to see him live.

 
http://news.yahoo.com/justice-department-to-investigate-baltimore-police-for-civil-rights-violations-133949380.html

U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced Friday that the Justice Department is launching a civil rights investigation into the Baltimore Police Department.

Previously, Lynch explained, her team had examined whether particular officers violated policies, but now it will look into whether the Baltimore Police Department violated the Constitution and the civil rights of residents.

“When I traveled to Baltimore earlier this week, I had the opportunity to see the significant work that the city and the police department had done with the COPS [Community Oriented Policing Services] Office over the last six months through a collaborative reform process,” she said at a press conference. “But despite the progress being made, it was clear that recent events, including the tragic in-custody death of Mr. Freddie Gray, had given rise to a serious erosion of public trust.”

To address this issue, city officials and community leaders called on Lynch to change the Justice Department’s approach to the problem, she said.

Investigators will examine whether Baltimore police engage in practices that violate the Constitution or federal law.

“This investigation will begin immediately and will focus on allegations that Baltimore Police Department officers use excessive force, including deadly force; conduct unlawful searches, seizures and arrests, and engage in discriminatory policing,” she said.

She thanked the Baltimore Fraternal Order of Police for its support and praised officers for their handling of the city’s recent riots.

“We have seen brave officers upholding the right to peaceful protest while also sustaining serious injuries themselves during the city’s unfortunate foray into violence,” she said.

In the coming days, attorney and investigators for the department’s Civil Rights Division and police experts will engage with law enforcement and community members, while examining policies, practices and available data, Lynch said.

“At the conclusion of our investigation, we will issue a report of our findings,” she explained. “If unconstitutional policies or practices are found, we will seek a court-enforceable agreement to address those issues.”

The division has conducted dozens of similar investigations into the patterns and practices of various police departmentsLynch says communities that have gone through this process have seen increased trust and improved policing practices.

“In fact, I encourage other cities to study our past recommendations and see whether they can applied in their own communities,” she said. “Ultimately, this process is meant to ensure that officers are being provided with the tools that they need.”

Lynch, who was sworn in last week, has to deal with the tensions between law enforcement and the communities they patrol — an issue that dominated the final years of her predecessor, Eric Holder, in the position.

Allegations of police misconduct in Baltimore drew national attention last month following the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray. The young man was arrested on April 12 and died of spinal cord injuries on April 19.

Riots broke out in the streets of Baltimore that reminded many people of the rioting that devastated the city for two weeks in April 1968, following the assassination of civil rights hero the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Others saw a correlation between the Gray incident and other high-profile deaths of African-American men at the hands of police officers over the past few years, such as the killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo.

Gray’s death was ruled a homicide, and the six officers involved in his arrest now face a variety of criminal charges, including second-degree murder, misconduct in office, and false imprisonment.

Lynch lamented that Gray’s death and the subsequent rioting has come to represent the city for many outsiders.

She suggested others who better personify Baltimore: people who cleaned the streets after the riots, elected officials who were dedicated to uniting the neighborhoods they represent, youth leaders who are working toward a better future, and police officers who worked as many as 16 days without a break, focused on protecting the people in their community.

“They are Baltimore,” she said.

 
Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
I'm not really sure I understand posts like this. It's really no better than referencing Republican strongholds and then talking about how crappy the economy or living environment is, as if there are no other factors in play. I remember a map from a few years ago comparing all the blue states to red states and saying the blue states were all faring better than the red. I thought it was unfair, because, again, there are other factors at play.

I think criticisms of policies are fair, if they come with some inkling of thought or analysis. But "hey, Dems/Repubs, you suck!" is a little tiring.
Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas
I love these stereotypes - keeps out the riff raff from other places. We have world class medical facilities, no traffic, way better weather than most of the country, and very good public schools (locale specific, as with most school districts.)

But, yeah, it's a ####hole. Don't come here.

 
Add to that the bad to terrible public schools and it suddenly becomes a huge burden to try raising a family within the city limits. You're paying a huge tax bill, and on top of it you're probably paying private school tuition. At that point, you pick up and move to Towson where you're still 15 minutes from downtown, but you live in a beautiful neighborhood and send your kids to an amazing school for free. In Baltimore County the income tax rate hasn't gone up in 25 years and the property tax rate hasn't gone up in 27.
Amazing that considering that they spend, what, 17k per student?

First step in rehabilitating that place should be to just give every student a 15k voucher. 15k is enough for an incredible private school education.

 
Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
I'm not really sure I understand posts like this. It's really no better than referencing Republican strongholds and then talking about how crappy the economy or living environment is, as if there are no other factors in play. I remember a map from a few years ago comparing all the blue states to red states and saying the blue states were all faring better than the red. I thought it was unfair, because, again, there are other factors at play.

I think criticisms of policies are fair, if they come with some inkling of thought or analysis. But "hey, Dems/Repubs, you suck!" is a little tiring.
Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas
I love these stereotypes - keeps out the riff raff from other places. We have world class medical facilities, no traffic, way better weather than most of the country, and very good public schools (locale specific, as with most school districts.)

But, yeah, it's a ####hole. Don't come here.
As someone who traveled all over the country, also the hottest women on the high end scale. California and Arizona as well.

 
Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
I'm not really sure I understand posts like this. It's really no better than referencing Republican strongholds and then talking about how crappy the economy or living environment is, as if there are no other factors in play. I remember a map from a few years ago comparing all the blue states to red states and saying the blue states were all faring better than the red. I thought it was unfair, because, again, there are other factors at play.

I think criticisms of policies are fair, if they come with some inkling of thought or analysis. But "hey, Dems/Repubs, you suck!" is a little tiring.
I get your point, but without getting longwinded my point is liberalism doesn't work. Cities I mentioned have been controlled by Dem's for 50 or 60 years.

An honorable theory, but an abject failure.

 
The day after 10 people were shot and 3 of them died, city officials said yeaterday that the biggest problem the city faces is relations between the police and neighborhoods.

Sure, it's an issue, but I get the sense that we have a lot of heads buried in the sand.

 
@baltimoresun: Homicides are up 20% in Baltimore while non-fatal shootings have surged 47%. http://t.co/pDObcwnTvO

My wife called and said there had been a grease fire in the kitchen. I get home and the cabinets are ruined and there is smoke damage all throughout the first floor. I walk into the kitchen and say "why the hell are there dirty dishes in the sink?"

 
Maryland also has world class medical facilities, top public high schools, good weather, and traffic isn't bad considering the population density (outside of the DC beltway).

 
Maryland also has world class medical facilities, top public high schools, good weather, and traffic isn't bad considering the population density (outside of the DC beltway).
So once we move the undesired elements out, it will be a lovely area? Saying a state has great things when talking about how horrible one city of the state is not a good comparison. NY state has a lot of forests, Niagara Falls and wineries too, but that doesn't make Manhattan less of a city.

 
The day after 10 people were shot and 3 of them died, city officials said yeaterday that the biggest problem the city faces is relations between the police and neighborhoods.

Sure, it's an issue, but I get the sense that we have a lot of heads buried in the sand.
Those heads in the sand are in for a very rude awakening. Cops are going to do exactly what the community and the media are telling them to do - scale back on policing. Big time. Crime rates are go into soar this summer. 40 people have been shot in Baltimore since April 28, the day after Baltimore's most intense day of rioting.
 
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I think Baltimore had better be careful what they wish for in terms of calling in the feds.

This happened in NO, and we needed it, like since 1900 we had needed it. But there was corruption, and it ran all the way to city hall, but most especially the feds (properly) put an end to cops taking money on the side. They could form companies and receive cash for all kinds of off duty work. This could be security but it was generally called "details." The problem there is that these details were a major source of income for cops, once removed and regulated oddly enough a good deal of the work went away and also cops did not like the system one bit. Pay went down, cops started quitting.

Ultimately the feds moved right in. Regulations and monitoring were upped to the max, again this was necessary but again the cops did not enjoy their work so much, and the increased scrutiny and teh general aggravation associated with the work led to... more cops quitting.

On top of that the feds imposed consent decrees on not only the NOPD but also the jail (OPP). In No we have an elected criminal sheriff, an elected civil sheriff and an appointed (by the mayor) police chief. The criminal sheriff's office and the NOPD both came under imposed changes which will and are costing in the tens of millions of dollars for a city that was already cash strapped.

So what we have now is a city with a traditionally high crime rate, including one of the usually highest murder rates in the nation, far, far too few cops (we're probably under 900 here now as a practical matter when we really need about 2000-2500), and a city which is reeling under the weight of federally mandated costs that we cannot escape from.

Baltimore better be ready because there are likely big price tags coming with all this change.

- Oh btw supposedly just last year the USAG's office declared Baltimore a "model city" for the really troubled cities like NO to emulate.

 
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This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
 
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Surprised she didn't come out for "Cream".

 
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.

 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
:goodposting:

Say what you will about the police officers whose behavior led to Gray's death, or the people who looted a CVS and set fire to a police car, but at least none of them appeared onstage at a concert for peace and waved to people. What sort of horrible person does something like that?

 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
:goodposting:

Say what you will about the police officers whose behavior led to Gray's death, or the people who looted a CVS and set fire to a police car, but at least none of them appeared onstage at a concert for peace and waved to people. What sort of horrible person does something like that?
Well if Miss Student Council President ####s up this Prosecution and these cops get off - and she's setting the stage for it - let's revisit this discussion.
 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
:goodposting:

Say what you will about the police officers whose behavior led to Gray's death, or the people who looted a CVS and set fire to a police car, but at least none of them appeared onstage at a concert for peace and waved to people. What sort of horrible person does something like that?
Well if Miss Student Council President ####s up this Prosecution and these cops get off - and she's setting the stage for it - let's revisit this discussion.
Don't back down now. Like you said, we've seen enough. Send her back to insurance adjusting!

Those were your words, right? Who does she think she is, appearing on stage at a concert for peace and waving at people? Like you said, total amateur hour. Enough is enough!

 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
:goodposting:

Say what you will about the police officers whose behavior led to Gray's death, or the people who looted a CVS and set fire to a police car, but at least none of them appeared onstage at a concert for peace and waved to people. What sort of horrible person does something like that?
Well if Miss Student Council President ####s up this Prosecution and these cops get off - and she's setting the stage for it - let's revisit this discussion.
Don't back down now. Like you said, we've seen enough. Send her back to insurance adjusting!

Those were your words, right? Who does she think she is, appearing on stage at a concert for peace and waving at people? Like you said, total amateur hour. Enough is enough!
you think she is handling this case professionally?
 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
:goodposting:

Say what you will about the police officers whose behavior led to Gray's death, or the people who looted a CVS and set fire to a police car, but at least none of them appeared onstage at a concert for peace and waved to people. What sort of horrible person does something like that?
Well if Miss Student Council President ####s up this Prosecution and these cops get off - and she's setting the stage for it - let's revisit this discussion.
Don't back down now. Like you said, we've seen enough. Send her back to insurance adjusting!

Those were your words, right? Who does she think she is, appearing on stage at a concert for peace and waving at people? Like you said, total amateur hour. Enough is enough!
you think she is handling this case professionally?
Of course not. She went on state at a concert for peace and waved at people! She might as well have taken a dump on the bench at the Md Court of Appeals as far as I'm concerned.

A public official, onstage at a concert, waving at people. What is our world coming to?

 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
:goodposting:

Say what you will about the police officers whose behavior led to Gray's death, or the people who looted a CVS and set fire to a police car, but at least none of them appeared onstage at a concert for peace and waved to people. What sort of horrible person does something like that?
Well if Miss Student Council President ####s up this Prosecution and these cops get off - and she's setting the stage for it - let's revisit this discussion.
Don't back down now. Like you said, we've seen enough. Send her back to insurance adjusting!

Those were your words, right? Who does she think she is, appearing on stage at a concert for peace and waving at people? Like you said, total amateur hour. Enough is enough!
you think she is handling this case professionally?
Of course not. She went on state at a concert for peace and waved at people! She might as well have taken a dump on the bench at the Md Court of Appeals as far as I'm concerned.

A public official, onstage at a concert, waving at people. What is our world coming to?
I find that people usually speak in sarcasm when they can't make a good argument supporting their position. You may think it's not a big deal but there are a lot of people in the field who disagree with you, including many Liberals (Allen Dershowitz and Laura Coates for starters). http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-mosby-criticism/I'm not going to give you the spiel about how her position is not political and that she must remain neutral, unbiased and above the fray, but you already know this. You're just being argumentative, which appears to be your modus operandi these days.

 
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Mosby is in way over her head. 0% chance she gets convictions here. And, she has alienated the Baltimore Police force from the SA's office - not a smart move.

 
I find that people usually speak in sarcasm when they can't make a good argument supporting their position. You may think it's not a big deal but there are a lot of people in the field who disagree with you, including many Liberals (Allen Dershowitz and Laura Coates for starters). http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-mosby-criticism/I'm not going to give you the spiel about how her position is not political and that she must remain neutral, unbiased and above the fray, but you already know this. You're just being argumentative, which appears to be your modus operandi these days.
And you are literally ignoring your own exact words. You're the one who responded to the post about her concert appearance by asserting that you had now "seen enough" and that she'd made "mistake after mistake ...showing that she was unfit for hte job" (obviously implying that the appearance was one such mistake) and that this silent, cursory appearance was more evidence that she was "making it all about her," and that she should be "sent back to insurance adjusting already."

If you want to ignore that context and pretend that when you replied to the post about the concert you weren't actually referring to it even though you obviously were, whatever, but we both know that's :bs:

As for what I think of her- I really haven't been following her career or her work on this case after announcing the charges that closely (although I did drive right through Baltimore on 95 twice this last weekend, which makes me a keen Baltimore insider on the rockaction scale). So I don't really have an informed opinion on her. However, I do know that a guy who tells me she they should quit her job because she went onstage at a concert for peace and waved at people is probably not approaching the question from a fair and reasonable perspective.

 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
It's all this damn democracy! People think they can just vote for anyone they believe will represent them best.

 
General Tso said:
Gary Coal Man said:
This is not a good look for legal professional in Mosby's position even if it was just to wave to the crowd.

Marilyn Mosby takes the stage with Prince at 'Rally 4 Peace'; 'The system is broken,' he says

Prince launched into classics 'Take Me With U' and 'Raspberry Beret,' before playing his new song, 'Baltimore,' with peppy music that belies serious lyrics: "Does anybody hear us pray?/ For Michael Brown or Freddie Gray/ Peace is more than the absence of war." During the song, Prince brought State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby and her husband, Councilman Nick Mosby, on to the stage. After an awkward wave, they returned to their seats on stage right without addressing the crowd.
Yeah, I reserved judgment and harsh words for Mosby until things played out a little. But I've seen enough. It's amateur hour big time in Baltimore. She has made mistake after mistake the whole way, and is showing just how unfit she was for that job. So pathetic that she has used such an important case to make it all about herself. Send her back to insurance adjusting already.
Isn't there a motion before the judge to remove her for conflict of interest? Maybe she is trying to get removed. It wouldn't surprise me.

 
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Mosby is in way over her head. 0% chance she gets convictions here. And, she has alienated the Baltimore Police force from the SA's office - not a smart move.
I don't disagree that Mosby has probably overstepped in some of the charges she has brought. But at the same time, I am getting so sick and tired of hearing "law and order" types lambaste her for treating the suspects in the Freddie Gray case in the same way that would draw their praise if she were dealing with other suspects in a violent crime.

If they don't like being treated like criminals, it's easy - just don't get arrested. Where have I heard that before?

 
There's a very interesting rumor/theory floating around about the Mayor's behavior on the Monday of the riots, including her seeming disappearance and refusal to accept the Governor's call for hours as things got out of hand.

The theory is that she knew the National Guard was going to be necessary to restore order, but she didn't want to be seen as calling in the Guard on her own people, or needing the new Republican governor to bail her out. She she went dark and kept waiting for the Governor to finally throw up his hands and unilaterally send in the Guard without her request. Then she could blame the Governor for anything that went wrong, and maintain her street credibility by saying that the Governor over-reacted and sent in the Guard when they weren't needed, even as she benefited from the order they would restore.

Instead, the Governor just kept waiting and calling and waiting and calling, until finally the Mayor had to knuckle under to preserve the city and request his assistance with the Guard. She basically played chicken and lost, with local businesses paying the price of her failed gamble.

 
There's a very interesting rumor/theory floating around about the Mayor's behavior on the Monday of the riots, including her seeming disappearance and refusal to accept the Governor's call for hours as things got out of hand.

The theory is that she knew the National Guard was going to be necessary to restore order, but she didn't want to be seen as calling in the Guard on her own people, or needing the new Republican governor to bail her out. She she went dark and kept waiting for the Governor to finally throw up his hands and unilaterally send in the Guard without her request. Then she could blame the Governor for anything that went wrong, and maintain her street credibility by saying that the Governor over-reacted and sent in the Guard when they weren't needed, even as she benefited from the order they would restore.

Instead, the Governor just kept waiting and calling and waiting and calling, until finally the Mayor had to knuckle under to preserve the city and request his assistance with the Guard. She basically played chicken and lost, with local businesses paying the price of her failed gamble.
There was a report on the C4 show (1090) yesterday that she was in touch with the White House while not taking the calls from the Govoner. If true, she was getting guidance on the matter.
 
I find that people usually speak in sarcasm when they can't make a good argument supporting their position. You may think it's not a big deal but there are a lot of people in the field who disagree with you, including many Liberals (Allen Dershowitz and Laura Coates for starters). http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-mosby-criticism/

I'm not going to give you the spiel about how her position is not political and that she must remain neutral, unbiased and above the fray, but you already know this. You're just being argumentative, which appears to be your modus operandi these days.
And you are literally ignoring your own exact words. You're the one who responded to the post about her concert appearance by asserting that you had now "seen enough" and that she'd made "mistake after mistake ...showing that she was unfit for hte job" (obviously implying that the appearance was one such mistake) and that this silent, cursory appearance was more evidence that she was "making it all about her," and that she should be "sent back to insurance adjusting already."

If you want to ignore that context and pretend that when you replied to the post about the concert you weren't actually referring to it even though you obviously were, whatever, but we both know that's :bs:

As for what I think of her- I really haven't been following her career or her work on this case after announcing the charges that closely (although I did drive right through Baltimore on 95 twice this last weekend, which makes me a keen Baltimore insider on the rockaction scale). So I don't really have an informed opinion on her. However, I do know that a guy who tells me she they should quit her job because she went onstage at a concert for peace and waved at people is probably not approaching the question from a fair and reasonable perspective.
I honestly have no idea what you are babbling about in that first paragraph, and I really don't care. My criticisms (note the "s" at the end of the word, indicating plural) of Mosby have been well documented, from her rushed investigation, to her highly political indictment speech "our time is now!", to the blunder with the illegal arrest charge, to her formal arrest charges against the wrong people... Appearing on stage at a concert with heavy political overtones is just the last straw. She's practically guaranteeing a change of venue and jeopardizing her case. It's amateur hour, just like everything else in Baltimore.
 
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There's a very interesting rumor/theory floating around about the Mayor's behavior on the Monday of the riots, including her seeming disappearance and refusal to accept the Governor's call for hours as things got out of hand.

The theory is that she knew the National Guard was going to be necessary to restore order, but she didn't want to be seen as calling in the Guard on her own people, or needing the new Republican governor to bail her out. She she went dark and kept waiting for the Governor to finally throw up his hands and unilaterally send in the Guard without her request. Then she could blame the Governor for anything that went wrong, and maintain her street credibility by saying that the Governor over-reacted and sent in the Guard when they weren't needed, even as she benefited from the order they would restore.

Instead, the Governor just kept waiting and calling and waiting and calling, until finally the Mayor had to knuckle under to preserve the city and request his assistance with the Guard. She basically played chicken and lost, with local businesses paying the price of her failed gamble.
There was a report on the C4 show (1090) yesterday that she was in touch with the White House while not taking the calls from the Govoner. If true, she was getting guidance on the matter.
in other words this whole thing is Obama's fault? I KNEW it.
 
Of course not. She went on state at a concert for peace and waved at people! She might as well have taken a dump on the bench at the Md Court of Appeals as far as I'm concerned.

A public official, onstage at a concert, waving at people. What is our world coming to?
I find that people usually speak in sarcasm when they can't make a good argument supporting their position.
Or if they want to call attention to an absurd statement that someone has made.

 
I find that people usually speak in sarcasm when they can't make a good argument supporting their position. You may think it's not a big deal but there are a lot of people in the field who disagree with you, including many Liberals (Allen Dershowitz and Laura Coates for starters). http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-mosby-criticism/

I'm not going to give you the spiel about how her position is not political and that she must remain neutral, unbiased and above the fray, but you already know this. You're just being argumentative, which appears to be your modus operandi these days.
And you are literally ignoring your own exact words. You're the one who responded to the post about her concert appearance by asserting that you had now "seen enough" and that she'd made "mistake after mistake ...showing that she was unfit for hte job" (obviously implying that the appearance was one such mistake) and that this silent, cursory appearance was more evidence that she was "making it all about her," and that she should be "sent back to insurance adjusting already."

If you want to ignore that context and pretend that when you replied to the post about the concert you weren't actually referring to it even though you obviously were, whatever, but we both know that's :bs:

As for what I think of her- I really haven't been following her career or her work on this case after announcing the charges that closely (although I did drive right through Baltimore on 95 twice this last weekend, which makes me a keen Baltimore insider on the rockaction scale). So I don't really have an informed opinion on her. However, I do know that a guy who tells me she they should quit her job because she went onstage at a concert for peace and waved at people is probably not approaching the question from a fair and reasonable perspective.
i honestly have no idea what you are babbling about, and I really don't care. My criticisms (note the "s" at the end of the word, indicating plural) of Mosby have been well documented, from her rushed investigation, to her highly political indictment speech "our time is now!", to the blunder with the illegal arrest charge, to her formal arrest charges against the wrong people... Appearing on stage at a concert with heavy political overtones is just the last straw. She's practically guaranteeing a change of venue and jeopardizing her case. It's amateur hour, just like everything else in Baltimore.
1. Appearing on a stage at a concert for peace and waving is not a straw. At all. I'm mocking the fact that you think it has meaning. It does not.

2. She's not a judge. She's an attorney whose job is to represent the interests of the citizens of Baltimore. She hasn't been perfect, and yeah she's been a little self-promotional, but she's supposed to be biased and zealous, and it's pretty much standard operating procedure for prosecutors to err on the side of overcharging and aggressiveness. That's how it works if the defendants are civilians, after all.

Whether you'd rather the system treat all people with kid gloves as it has historically done with cops or you'd prefer the system treat cops the same way the rest of us are treated, it's refreshing to see someone who finally does one of them. This interview explains it pretty well.

 
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Personally, I think it was good for her and other Baltimore public officials to show up at that concert. They did it, so far as I can see, in order to express to the community that the city government is not their enemy, that the proper way to address injustice is not through violent riots but through peaceful protest and legal action. Aren't these the messages that we want the young black youth of Baltimore to be hearing? I'm glad she went.

 
I find that people usually speak in sarcasm when they can't make a good argument supporting their position. You may think it's not a big deal but there are a lot of people in the field who disagree with you, including many Liberals (Allen Dershowitz and Laura Coates for starters). http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-mosby-criticism/

I'm not going to give you the spiel about how her position is not political and that she must remain neutral, unbiased and above the fray, but you already know this. You're just being argumentative, which appears to be your modus operandi these days.
And you are literally ignoring your own exact words. You're the one who responded to the post about her concert appearance by asserting that you had now "seen enough" and that she'd made "mistake after mistake ...showing that she was unfit for hte job" (obviously implying that the appearance was one such mistake) and that this silent, cursory appearance was more evidence that she was "making it all about her," and that she should be "sent back to insurance adjusting already."

If you want to ignore that context and pretend that when you replied to the post about the concert you weren't actually referring to it even though you obviously were, whatever, but we both know that's :bs:

As for what I think of her- I really haven't been following her career or her work on this case after announcing the charges that closely (although I did drive right through Baltimore on 95 twice this last weekend, which makes me a keen Baltimore insider on the rockaction scale). So I don't really have an informed opinion on her. However, I do know that a guy who tells me she they should quit her job because she went onstage at a concert for peace and waved at people is probably not approaching the question from a fair and reasonable perspective.
i honestly have no idea what you are babbling about, and I really don't care. My criticisms (note the "s" at the end of the word, indicating plural) of Mosby have been well documented, from her rushed investigation, to her highly political indictment speech "our time is now!", to the blunder with the illegal arrest charge, to her formal arrest charges against the wrong people... Appearing on stage at a concert with heavy political overtones is just the last straw. She's practically guaranteeing a change of venue and jeopardizing her case. It's amateur hour, just like everything else in Baltimore.
1. Appearing on a stage at a concert for peace and waving is not a straw. At all. I'm mocking the fact that you think it has meaning. It does not.

2. She's not a judge. She's an attorney whose job is to represent the interests of the citizens of Baltimore. She hasn't been perfect, and yeah she's been a little self-promotional, but she's supposed to be biased and zealous, and it's pretty much standard operating procedure for prosecutors to err on the side of overcharging and aggressiveness. That's how it works if the defendants are civilians, after all.

Whether you'd rather the system treat all people with kid gloves as it has historically done with cops or you'd prefer the system treat cops the same way the rest of us are treated, it's refreshing to see someone who finally does one of them. This interview explains it pretty well.
She's supposed to be biased and zealous? I can't believe you just wrote that. She's supposed to be about one thing and one thing only - fairness - to the people she represents and to those accused.http://ethicsalarms.com/2015/05/01/states-a-particularly-dangerous-ethics-dunce-display-attorney-marilyn-mosbys-unethical-statement-regarding-charges-in-the-death-of-freddie-gray/

 
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Personally, I think it was good for her and other Baltimore public officials to show up at that concert. They did it, so far as I can see, in order to express to the community that the city government is not their enemy, that the proper way to address injustice is not through violent riots but through peaceful protest and legal action. Aren't these the messages that we want the young black youth of Baltimore to be hearing? I'm glad she went.
at lease she could afford the ticket price

 
I find that people usually speak in sarcasm when they can't make a good argument supporting their position. You may think it's not a big deal but there are a lot of people in the field who disagree with you, including many Liberals (Allen Dershowitz and Laura Coates for starters). http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/11/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-mosby-criticism/

I'm not going to give you the spiel about how her position is not political and that she must remain neutral, unbiased and above the fray, but you already know this. You're just being argumentative, which appears to be your modus operandi these days.
And you are literally ignoring your own exact words. You're the one who responded to the post about her concert appearance by asserting that you had now "seen enough" and that she'd made "mistake after mistake ...showing that she was unfit for hte job" (obviously implying that the appearance was one such mistake) and that this silent, cursory appearance was more evidence that she was "making it all about her," and that she should be "sent back to insurance adjusting already."

If you want to ignore that context and pretend that when you replied to the post about the concert you weren't actually referring to it even though you obviously were, whatever, but we both know that's :bs:

As for what I think of her- I really haven't been following her career or her work on this case after announcing the charges that closely (although I did drive right through Baltimore on 95 twice this last weekend, which makes me a keen Baltimore insider on the rockaction scale). So I don't really have an informed opinion on her. However, I do know that a guy who tells me she they should quit her job because she went onstage at a concert for peace and waved at people is probably not approaching the question from a fair and reasonable perspective.
i honestly have no idea what you are babbling about, and I really don't care. My criticisms (note the "s" at the end of the word, indicating plural) of Mosby have been well documented, from her rushed investigation, to her highly political indictment speech "our time is now!", to the blunder with the illegal arrest charge, to her formal arrest charges against the wrong people... Appearing on stage at a concert with heavy political overtones is just the last straw. She's practically guaranteeing a change of venue and jeopardizing her case. It's amateur hour, just like everything else in Baltimore.
1. Appearing on a stage at a concert for peace and waving is not a straw. At all. I'm mocking the fact that you think it has meaning. It does not.

2. She's not a judge. She's an attorney whose job is to represent the interests of the citizens of Baltimore. She hasn't been perfect, and yeah she's been a little self-promotional, but she's supposed to be biased and zealous, and it's pretty much standard operating procedure for prosecutors to err on the side of overcharging and aggressiveness. That's how it works if the defendants are civilians, after all.

Whether you'd rather the system treat all people with kid gloves as it has historically done with cops or you'd prefer the system treat cops the same way the rest of us are treated, it's refreshing to see someone who finally does one of them. This interview explains it pretty well.
She's supposed to be biased and zealous? I can't believe you just wrote that. She's supposed to be about one thing and one thing only - fairness - to the people she represents and to those accused.
Maybe not the best choice of words, but the point is that she's not a judge. She's supposed to pursue charges and ultimately convictions if she has probable cause that a crime has been committed. And in practice prosecutors tend to behave in this manner all the time; we just don't pay attention because the accused are not police officers involved in a high-profile case.

If this sort of aggressive prosecution has bothered you for years and this was just your latest frustration with it, I'd think you had a valid point. I might even agree with you. But if not, why does this case bother you when the thousands of thousands of similar prosecutions did not? Because the prosecutor went onstage at a concert and waved at people?

 
Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
I'm not really sure I understand posts like this. It's really no better than referencing Republican strongholds and then talking about how crappy the economy or living environment is, as if there are no other factors in play. I remember a map from a few years ago comparing all the blue states to red states and saying the blue states were all faring better than the red. I thought it was unfair, because, again, there are other factors at play.

I think criticisms of policies are fair, if they come with some inkling of thought or analysis. But "hey, Dems/Repubs, you suck!" is a little tiring.
Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas
I love these stereotypes - keeps out the riff raff from other places. We have world class medical facilities, no traffic, way better weather than most of the country, and very good public schools (locale specific, as with most school districts.)

But, yeah, it's a ####hole. Don't come here.
As someone who traveled all over the country, also the hottest women on the high end scale. California and Arizona as well.
Born, raised, and live in Alabama. Just pointing out that you can do the same for Republicans and Democrats. Partisan whack-a-mole

 
Detroit-Baltimore-Chicago. Dems have owned them for what, the last 50 years? I'm sure the powers to be had good intentions, but they failed miserably. In what aspects? Mostly all of them.

IMO
I'm not really sure I understand posts like this. It's really no better than referencing Republican strongholds and then talking about how crappy the economy or living environment is, as if there are no other factors in play. I remember a map from a few years ago comparing all the blue states to red states and saying the blue states were all faring better than the red. I thought it was unfair, because, again, there are other factors at play.

I think criticisms of policies are fair, if they come with some inkling of thought or analysis. But "hey, Dems/Repubs, you suck!" is a little tiring.
Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas
I love these stereotypes - keeps out the riff raff from other places. We have world class medical facilities, no traffic, way better weather than most of the country, and very good public schools (locale specific, as with most school districts.)

But, yeah, it's a ####hole. Don't come here.
As someone who traveled all over the country, also the hottest women on the high end scale. California and Arizona as well.
Born, raised, and live in Alabama. Just pointing out that you can do the same for Republicans and Democrats. Partisan whack-a-mole
Believe me I took no offense. I don't buy into the liberal policies thing being the primary reason Baltimore is in trouble. Put a Republican mayor in Baltimore and it's not going to be paradise either.

 

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