Baltimore: The Next Ferguson? (1 Viewer)

[HellToupee]

Baptist church full with people inside giving police the finger. Alrighty then

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The "dumb curfew" seems to have worked.

Octipus don't follow curfews.

You don't know the half of it.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Baptist church full with people inside giving police the finger. Alrighty then

Was it this one?

 

[HellToupee]

Baptist church full with people inside giving police the finger. Alrighty then

Was it this one?

those Baptist's are always thinking they are better than the rest of us

 

[KCitons]

God will take care of them.

 

[Treynwreck3]

The next white m'fer that gets shot in my neighborhood, I am going to #### black #### up. The only problem is that I can't loot a mirage.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

"We need economic development"

Why? To have more economic development to burn down?

So a CVS on the corner and a liquor store down the street represent economic development to you?

Baltimore Burning: $16 Million Southern Baptist Church Center for Low-Income Seniors Burned to the Ground

That was terrible. Is your position that we as a society should do nothing for these people because if we do, they'll just destroy it? That seems to be what I'm hearing here from you, Rambling Wreck, and Dr. Oadi.

Not taking your stinky bait tonight. Call someone else out. There's more than two people posting here. Good luck

I'm sorry, that wasn't bait and I'm not fishing. Based on your comment, I was trying to get you to clarify your position. If you don't wish to do so, that's your call.

I wouldn't build anything in those neighborhoods and wait for it to be robbed and stuff. If someone else wants to then good for them. The people committing these crimes can come up with all the excuses in the world but stop breaking the law and stop the ridiculous violence.

That's fine. I disagree with your position here, but it's a legitimate position and I wouldn't put you down for having it.My own view is that we have to always keep in mind that the people who rob and burn are a small minority. As today's clean up effort demonstrated, most of the people who live in that community (and every community) are good people. I think it's unfair to treat them based on the worst among them. They need our help, and I think we should give it to them.

Who is "we" and how do "we" help them?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The next white m'fer that gets shot in my neighborhood, I am going to #### black #### up. The only problem is that I can't loot a mirage.

Bugs Bunny did IIRC, seemed real.

 

[timschochet]

"We need economic development"

Why? To have more economic development to burn down?

So a CVS on the corner and a liquor store down the street represent economic development to you?

Baltimore Burning: $16 Million Southern Baptist Church Center for Low-Income Seniors Burned to the Ground

That was terrible. Is your position that we as a society should do nothing for these people because if we do, they'll just destroy it? That seems to be what I'm hearing here from you, Rambling Wreck, and Dr. Oadi.

Not taking your stinky bait tonight. Call someone else out. There's more than two people posting here. Good luck

I'm sorry, that wasn't bait and I'm not fishing. Based on your comment, I was trying to get you to clarify your position. If you don't wish to do so, that's your call.

I wouldn't build anything in those neighborhoods and wait for it to be robbed and stuff. If someone else wants to then good for them. The people committing these crimes can come up with all the excuses in the world but stop breaking the law and stop the ridiculous violence.

That's fine. I disagree with your position here, but it's a legitimate position and I wouldn't put you down for having it.My own view is that we have to always keep in mind that the people who rob and burn are a small minority. As today's clean up effort demonstrated, most of the people who live in that community (and every community) are good people. I think it's unfair to treat them based on the worst among them. They need our help, and I think we should give it to them.

Who is "we" and how do "we" help them?

The federal government, by taxing us more!! Amiright?

 

[mcintyre1]

Some back story on how the first riot started

 

[CowboysFromHell]

"We need economic development"

Why? To have more economic development to burn down?

So a CVS on the corner and a liquor store down the street represent economic development to you?

Baltimore Burning: $16 Million Southern Baptist Church Center for Low-Income Seniors Burned to the Ground

That was terrible. Is your position that we as a society should do nothing for these people because if we do, they'll just destroy it? That seems to be what I'm hearing here from you, Rambling Wreck, and Dr. Oadi.

Not taking your stinky bait tonight. Call someone else out. There's more than two people posting here. Good luck

I'm sorry, that wasn't bait and I'm not fishing. Based on your comment, I was trying to get you to clarify your position. If you don't wish to do so, that's your call.

I wouldn't build anything in those neighborhoods and wait for it to be robbed and stuff. If someone else wants to then good for them. The people committing these crimes can come up with all the excuses in the world but stop breaking the law and stop the ridiculous violence.

That's fine. I disagree with your position here, but it's a legitimate position and I wouldn't put you down for having it.My own view is that we have to always keep in mind that the people who rob and burn are a small minority. As today's clean up effort demonstrated, most of the people who live in that community (and every community) are good people. I think it's unfair to treat them based on the worst among them. They need our help, and I think we should give it to them.

Who is "we" and how do "we" help them?

The federal government, by taxing us more!! Amiright?

Yes, I think you are. Therein lies the problem.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

Some back story on how the first riot started

We threw bottles and rocks, but they looked at us funny. It's all their fault!

 

[Jack White]

The "dumb curfew" seems to have worked.

Well, the former BPD chief didn't agree with it, either.

Probably why he's out of a job.

 

[CowboysFromHell]

So we don't have a national problem of police mistreating blacks?

Maybe..., but we definitely have a national problem of police mistreating civilians (black, white, yellow, red, etc.).

I'll add that we also have a national problem with racism, poverty, drugs, and guns - all of which disproportionately impact blacks. The cops are the ones on the front lines dealing with all of these issues, and because they disproportionately affect blacks, the cops get the racist tag, when they're really no more racist than the average American.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Hannity sure has a hard on for this "dangerous alliance" of the Nation of Islam, The Crips, The Bloods and the Black Guerilla Family. That's about the 8 time I've heard him talk about it.

If they get heyman start hiding suplexes

 

[James Daulton]

Why will no one in the black community acknowledge the problem is the family structure and culture? When 2/3rds of your race are born out of wedlock, no one can think that's a recipe for success. The black youth seem to value material possessions and the thug life over anything else. Young black women think having a kid is some kind of status symbol.

Until the issues in their own house are addressed (for example having greater odds of getting killed by someone of your own race than dying of any other cause) nothing will change. I think the problems may be too deep to be fixed.

 

[The Big Guy]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

 

[Billy Bats]

Some back story on how the first riot started

We threw bottles and rocks, but they looked at us funny. It's all their fault!

Doesn't seem like a great idea to stop the kids from leaving the very area that they called for a purge. Would've been smarter to ramp up the presence in and around the mall, sans riot gear. Have a few more squad cars circling and be seen and cops on foot patrol in the mall and on the street outside of the school, communicating and interacting with the kids. They wound up looting the mall anyway, so the police war presence didn't do a damn thing except incite further angst. If both groups keep challenging each other, the natural outcome is going to be a fight.

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/baltimore-pol-tells-cnn-word-thug-racially-charged-article-1.2202859

Oh, thugs is off limits now?

Ok, moron... I'll continue using it, you can stick with marginalized youths. Sorry the truth is so offensive you need to shift Websters around and slide the goalposts over. I don't recall anyone saying that "thugs" is an exclusive description for young African American or every African American youth is a "thug"...

I'll use the word to describe ANY ethnicity, including those destroying their own city with childish acts that accomplish nothing.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Some back story on how the first riot started

We threw bottles and rocks, but they looked at us funny. It's all their fault!

Doesn't seem like a great idea to stop the kids from leaving the very area that they called for a purge. Would've been smarter to ramp up the presence in and around the mall, sans riot gear. Have a few more squad cars circling and be seen and cops on foot patrol in the mall and on the street outside of the school, communicating and interacting with the kids. They wound up looting the mall anyway, so the police war presence didn't do a damn thing except incite further angst. If both groups keep challenging each other, the natural outcome is going to be a fight.

It's their fault!

Hook. Line. Sinker

 

[Billy Bats]

Some back story on how the first riot started

We threw bottles and rocks, but they looked at us funny. It's all their fault!

Doesn't seem like a great idea to stop the kids from leaving the very area that they called for a purge. Would've been smarter to ramp up the presence in and around the mall, sans riot gear. Have a few more squad cars circling and be seen and cops on foot patrol in the mall and on the street outside of the school, communicating and interacting with the kids. They wound up looting the mall anyway, so the police war presence didn't do a damn thing except incite further angst. If both groups keep challenging each other, the natural outcome is going to be a fight.

It's their fault!Hook. Line. Sinker

Right. Good conversation. Expand your mind to see the bigger picture.

 

[MattFancy]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/baltimore-pol-tells-cnn-word-thug-racially-charged-article-1.2202859

Oh, thugs is off limits now?

Ok, moron... I'll continue using it, you can stick with marginalized youths. Sorry the truth is so offensive you need to shift Websters around and slide the goalposts over. I don't recall anyone saying that "thugs" is an exclusive description for young African American or every African American youth is a "thug"...

I'll use the word to describe ANY ethnicity, including those destroying their own city with childish acts that accomplish nothing.

Pretty sure Aaron Hernandez has been called a thug numerous times

 

[fantasycurse42]

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/baltimore-pol-tells-cnn-word-thug-racially-charged-article-1.2202859

Oh, thugs is off limits now?

Ok, moron... I'll continue using it, you can stick with marginalized youths. Sorry the truth is so offensive you need to shift Websters around and slide the goalposts over. I don't recall anyone saying that "thugs" is an exclusive description for young African American or every African American youth is a "thug"...

I'll use the word to describe ANY ethnicity, including those destroying their own city with childish acts that accomplish nothing.

Pretty sure Aaron Hernandez has been called a thug numerous times

Marginalized adult in my opinion.

 

[Apple Jack]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Were the Asians and Irish held as slaves by the majority/ruling race and then even after freed segregated by law from them? For centuries? JFC.

 

[Widbil83]

Eliijah Cummings (who has been in Congress for literally 20 years) was just on CNN crying about how bad overall things are in his district there. Of course he isn't the problem though.

 

[lod01]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Were the Asians and Irish held as slaves by the majority/ruling race and then even after freed segregated by law from them? For centuries? JFC.

That excuse is well past it's shelf life.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Eliijah Cummings (who has been in Congress for literally 20 years) was just on CNN crying about how bad overall things are in his district there. Of course he isn't the problem though.

I don't agree with his politics but Cummings seems like a good guy, it would just be nice to hear a nationally recognized elected black leader say it's time for a new approach. Corey Booker took down a political machine in Newark but another step is needed, a frank discussion how these pockets of poverty can be fixed, not just ameliorated, fixed.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Anyone who thinks these are legitimate questions should take some time out of their day and read this.

And if you're not willing to read it because the provocative title turns you off, or because it's just too long, maybe consider that your laziness/dismissiveness is the reason you don't know the answer to those questions.

 

[TPW]

Riot-Plagued Baltimore Is a Catastrophe Entirely of the Democratic Party’s Own Making

Yes, Baltimore seems to have some police problems. But let us be clear about whose fecklessness and dishonesty we are talking about here: No Republican, and certainly no conservative, has left so much as a thumbprint on the public institutions of Baltimore in a generation. Baltimore’s police department is, like Detroit’s economy and Atlanta’s schools, the product of the progressive wing of the Democratic party enabled in no small part by black identity politics. This is entirely a left-wing project, and a Democratic-party project.

When will the Left be held to account for the brutality in Baltimore — brutality for which it bears a measure of responsibility on both sides? There aren’t any Republicans out there cheering on the looters, and there aren’t any Republicans exercising real political power over the police or other municipal institutions in Baltimore. Community-organizer — a wretched term — Adam Jackson declared that in Baltimore “the Democrats and the Republicans have both failed.” Really? Which Republicans? Ulysses S. Grant? Unless I’m reading the charts wrong, the Baltimore city council is 100 percent Democratic.

The evidence suggests very strongly that the left-wing, Democratic claques that run a great many American cities — particularly the poor and black cities — are not capable of running a school system or a police department. They are incompetent, they are corrupt, and they are breathtakingly arrogant. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore — this is what Democrats do.

And the kids in the street screaming about “inequality”? Somebody should tell them that the locale in these United States with the least economic inequality is Utah, i.e. the state farthest away from the reach of the people who run Baltimore.

Keep voting for the same thing, keep getting the same thing.

 

[irish eyes]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Were the Asians and Irish held as slaves by the majority/ruling race and then even after freed segregated by law from them? For centuries? JFC.

Did you really type that, unreal. Go help those gutter rats burn the city down. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. No accountability

 

[Apple Jack]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Were the Asians and Irish held as slaves by the majority/ruling race and then even after freed segregated by law from them? For centuries? JFC.

Did you really type that, unreal. Go help those gutter rats burn the city down. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. No accountability

go home, youre drunk.

 

[timschochet]

The conservative attitude toward black problems in the inner city (let them clean up their own mess, they need to take responsibility, I'm sick of hearing about racism, I support the police) tends to dominate over the liberal attitude (we are all partly responsible, racism is a huge historical and current factor, the police are often part of the problem, we need to work together to find solutions) by about 10-1 in these threads.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Anyone who thinks these are legitimate questions should take some time out of their day and read this.

And if you're not willing to read it because the provocative title turns you off, or because it's just too long, maybe consider that your laziness/dismissiveness is the reason you don't know the answer to those questions.

Here's a very small taste of the article, for those who won't read it and still believes that institutionalized racism is similar across ethnic groups and/or that the injustices black people faced stopped after slavery or at least after the civil rights movement. Note the years:

In 2010, Jacob S. Rugh, then a doctoral candidate at Princeton, and the sociologist Douglas S. Massey published a study of the recent foreclosure crisis. Among its drivers, they found an old foe: segregation. Black home buyers—even after controlling for factors like creditworthiness—were still more likely than white home buyers to be steered toward subprime loans. Decades of racist housing policies by the American government, along with decades of racist housing practices by American businesses, had conspired to concentrate African Americans in the same neighborhoods. As in North Lawndale half a century earlier, these neighborhoods were filled with people who had been cut off from mainstream financial institutions. When subprime lenders went looking for prey, they found black people waiting like ducks in a pen.

“High levels of segregation create a natural market for subprime lending,” Rugh and Massey write, “and cause riskier mortgages, and thus foreclosures, to accumulate disproportionately in racially segregated cities’ minority neighborhoods.”

Plunder in the past made plunder in the present efficient. The banks of America understood this. In 2005, Wells Fargo promoted a series of Wealth Building Strategies seminars. Dubbing itself “the nation’s leading originator of home loans to ethnic minority customers,” the bank enrolled black public figures in an ostensible effort to educate blacks on building “generational wealth.” But the “wealth building” seminars were a front for wealth theft. In 2010, the Justice Department filed a discrimination suit against Wells Fargo alleging that the bank had shunted blacks into predatory loans regardless of their creditworthiness. This was not magic or coincidence or misfortune. It was racism reifying itself. According to The New York Times, affidavits found loan officers referring to their black customers as “mud people” and to their subprime products as “ghetto loans.”

“We just went right after them,” Beth Jacobson, a former Wells Fargo loan officer, told The Times. “Wells Fargo mortgage had an emerging-markets unit that specifically targeted black churches because it figured church leaders had a lot of influence and could convince congregants to take out subprime loans.”

In 2011, Bank of America agreed to pay $355 million to settle charges of discrimination against its Countrywide unit. The following year, Wells Fargo settled its discrimination suit for more than $175 million. But the damage had been done. In 2009, half the properties in Baltimore whose owners had been granted loans by Wells Fargo between 2005 and 2008 were vacant; 71 percent of these properties were in predominantly black neighborhoods.

 

[irish eyes]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Were the Asians and Irish held as slaves by the majority/ruling race and then even after freed segregated by law from them? For centuries? JFC.

Did you really type that, unreal. Go help those gutter rats burn the city down. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. No accountability

go home, youre drunk.

Nice rebuttal..can't think of anymore excuses??

 

[njherdfan]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Were the Asians and Irish held as slaves by the majority/ruling race and then even after freed segregated by law from them? For centuries? JFC.

Yeah, it seems pretty obvious that since every other ethnic group in the US made the choice to come here that maybe they wouldn't have the very legitimate grudges that a large part of the black community has. Of course, I'm sure most people on this board wouldn't agree with that.

 

[Apple Jack]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Were the Asians and Irish held as slaves by the majority/ruling race and then even after freed segregated by law from them? For centuries? JFC.

Did you really type that, unreal. Go help those gutter rats burn the city down. Excuses, excuses, excuses.. No accountability

go home, youre drunk.

Nice rebuttal..can't think of anymore excuses??

you are the only one i am making excuses for.

 

[James Daulton]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Anyone who thinks these are legitimate questions should take some time out of their day and read this.

And if you're not willing to read it because the provocative title turns you off, or because it's just too long, maybe consider that your laziness/dismissiveness is the reason you don't know the answer to those questions.

Here's a very small taste of the article, for those who won't read it and still believes that institutionalized racism is similar across ethnic groups and/or that the injustices black people faced stopped after slavery or at least after the civil rights movement. Note the years:

In 2010, Jacob S. Rugh, then a doctoral candidate at Princeton, and the sociologist Douglas S. Massey published a study of the recent foreclosure crisis. Among its drivers, they found an old foe: segregation. Black home buyers—even after controlling for factors like creditworthiness—were still more likely than white home buyers to be steered toward subprime loans. Decades of racist housing policies by the American government, along with decades of racist housing practices by American businesses, had conspired to concentrate African Americans in the same neighborhoods. As in North Lawndale half a century earlier, these neighborhoods were filled with people who had been cut off from mainstream financial institutions. When subprime lenders went looking for prey, they found black people waiting like ducks in a pen.

“High levels of segregation create a natural market for subprime lending,” Rugh and Massey write, “and cause riskier mortgages, and thus foreclosures, to accumulate disproportionately in racially segregated cities’ minority neighborhoods.”

Plunder in the past made plunder in the present efficient. The banks of America understood this. In 2005, Wells Fargo promoted a series of Wealth Building Strategies seminars. Dubbing itself “the nation’s leading originator of home loans to ethnic minority customers,” the bank enrolled black public figures in an ostensible effort to educate blacks on building “generational wealth.” But the “wealth building” seminars were a front for wealth theft. In 2010, the Justice Department filed a discrimination suit against Wells Fargo alleging that the bank had shunted blacks into predatory loans regardless of their creditworthiness. This was not magic or coincidence or misfortune. It was racism reifying itself. According to The New York Times, affidavits found loan officers referring to their black customers as “mud people” and to their subprime products as “ghetto loans.”

“We just went right after them,” Beth Jacobson, a former Wells Fargo loan officer, told The Times. “Wells Fargo mortgage had an emerging-markets unit that specifically targeted black churches because it figured church leaders had a lot of influence and could convince congregants to take out subprime loans.”

In 2011, Bank of America agreed to pay $355 million to settle charges of discrimination against its Countrywide unit. The following year, Wells Fargo settled its discrimination suit for more than $175 million. But the damage had been done. In 2009, half the properties in Baltimore whose owners had been granted loans by Wells Fargo between 2005 and 2008 were vacant; 71 percent of these properties were in predominantly black neighborhoods.

How does that explain the culture that encourages kids being born out of wedlock and the thug life? There are countless examples to see that successful societies embrace none of these qualities. If a strong, 2 parent family unit was the norm, then the above could be overcome. The Irish and other immigrants were treated like dirt when they first got to this country too.

 

[Apple Jack]

at comparing the downstream consequences of centuries of slavery and segregation with the Irish/Mexican immigrant conditions.

 

[njherdfan]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Anyone who thinks these are legitimate questions should take some time out of their day and read this.

And if you're not willing to read it because the provocative title turns you off, or because it's just too long, maybe consider that your laziness/dismissiveness is the reason you don't know the answer to those questions.

Here's a very small taste of the article, for those who won't read it and still believes that institutionalized racism is similar across ethnic groups and/or that the injustices black people faced stopped after slavery or at least after the civil rights movement. Note the years:

In 2010, Jacob S. Rugh, then a doctoral candidate at Princeton, and the sociologist Douglas S. Massey published a study of the recent foreclosure crisis. Among its drivers, they found an old foe: segregation. Black home buyers—even after controlling for factors like creditworthiness—were still more likely than white home buyers to be steered toward subprime loans. Decades of racist housing policies by the American government, along with decades of racist housing practices by American businesses, had conspired to concentrate African Americans in the same neighborhoods. As in North Lawndale half a century earlier, these neighborhoods were filled with people who had been cut off from mainstream financial institutions. When subprime lenders went looking for prey, they found black people waiting like ducks in a pen.

“High levels of segregation create a natural market for subprime lending,” Rugh and Massey write, “and cause riskier mortgages, and thus foreclosures, to accumulate disproportionately in racially segregated cities’ minority neighborhoods.”

Plunder in the past made plunder in the present efficient. The banks of America understood this. In 2005, Wells Fargo promoted a series of Wealth Building Strategies seminars. Dubbing itself “the nation’s leading originator of home loans to ethnic minority customers,” the bank enrolled black public figures in an ostensible effort to educate blacks on building “generational wealth.” But the “wealth building” seminars were a front for wealth theft. In 2010, the Justice Department filed a discrimination suit against Wells Fargo alleging that the bank had shunted blacks into predatory loans regardless of their creditworthiness. This was not magic or coincidence or misfortune. It was racism reifying itself. According to The New York Times, affidavits found loan officers referring to their black customers as “mud people” and to their subprime products as “ghetto loans.”

“We just went right after them,” Beth Jacobson, a former Wells Fargo loan officer, told The Times. “Wells Fargo mortgage had an emerging-markets unit that specifically targeted black churches because it figured church leaders had a lot of influence and could convince congregants to take out subprime loans.”

In 2011, Bank of America agreed to pay $355 million to settle charges of discrimination against its Countrywide unit. The following year, Wells Fargo settled its discrimination suit for more than $175 million. But the damage had been done. In 2009, half the properties in Baltimore whose owners had been granted loans by Wells Fargo between 2005 and 2008 were vacant; 71 percent of these properties were in predominantly black neighborhoods.

How does that explain the culture that encourages kids being born out of wedlock and the thug life? There are countless examples to see that successful societies embrace none of these qualities. If a strong, 2 parent family unit was the norm, then the above could be overcome. The Irish and other immigrants were treated like dirt when they first got to this country too.

Slave families were literally broken up by the slave trade. The entire concept of a traditional 2-parent family was either discouraged or outright prohibited. You don't think that might have had any impact?

 

[James Daulton]

at comparing the downstream consequences of centuries of slavery and segregation with the Irish/Mexican immigrant conditions.

No one is doing that. Again, please explain how slavery has created the destructive cultural priorities that are pervasive in black culture.

At what point do we stop making excuses and start making changes?

 

[TobiasFunke]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Anyone who thinks these are legitimate questions should take some time out of their day and read this.

And if you're not willing to read it because the provocative title turns you off, or because it's just too long, maybe consider that your laziness/dismissiveness is the reason you don't know the answer to those questions.

Here's a very small taste of the article, for those who won't read it and still believes that institutionalized racism is similar across ethnic groups and/or that the injustices black people faced stopped after slavery or at least after the civil rights movement. Note the years:

In 2010, Jacob S. Rugh, then a doctoral candidate at Princeton, and the sociologist Douglas S. Massey published a study of the recent foreclosure crisis. Among its drivers, they found an old foe: segregation. Black home buyers—even after controlling for factors like creditworthiness—were still more likely than white home buyers to be steered toward subprime loans. Decades of racist housing policies by the American government, along with decades of racist housing practices by American businesses, had conspired to concentrate African Americans in the same neighborhoods. As in North Lawndale half a century earlier, these neighborhoods were filled with people who had been cut off from mainstream financial institutions. When subprime lenders went looking for prey, they found black people waiting like ducks in a pen.

“High levels of segregation create a natural market for subprime lending,” Rugh and Massey write, “and cause riskier mortgages, and thus foreclosures, to accumulate disproportionately in racially segregated cities’ minority neighborhoods.”

Plunder in the past made plunder in the present efficient. The banks of America understood this. In 2005, Wells Fargo promoted a series of Wealth Building Strategies seminars. Dubbing itself “the nation’s leading originator of home loans to ethnic minority customers,” the bank enrolled black public figures in an ostensible effort to educate blacks on building “generational wealth.” But the “wealth building” seminars were a front for wealth theft. In 2010, the Justice Department filed a discrimination suit against Wells Fargo alleging that the bank had shunted blacks into predatory loans regardless of their creditworthiness. This was not magic or coincidence or misfortune. It was racism reifying itself. According to The New York Times, affidavits found loan officers referring to their black customers as “mud people” and to their subprime products as “ghetto loans.”

“We just went right after them,” Beth Jacobson, a former Wells Fargo loan officer, told The Times. “Wells Fargo mortgage had an emerging-markets unit that specifically targeted black churches because it figured church leaders had a lot of influence and could convince congregants to take out subprime loans.”

In 2011, Bank of America agreed to pay $355 million to settle charges of discrimination against its Countrywide unit. The following year, Wells Fargo settled its discrimination suit for more than $175 million. But the damage had been done. In 2009, half the properties in Baltimore whose owners had been granted loans by Wells Fargo between 2005 and 2008 were vacant; 71 percent of these properties were in predominantly black neighborhoods.

How does that explain the culture that encourages kids being born out of wedlock and the thug life? There are countless examples to see that successful societies embrace none of these qualities. If a strong, 2 parent family unit was the norm, then the above could be overcome. The Irish and other immigrants were treated like dirt when they first got to this country too.

Can you direct me to some examples of this "culture that encourages kids being born out of wedlock and the thug life?" Not numbers- I know the numbers, and some of the reasons for them (here's a breakdown by the same guy who wrote the longform piece I cited above). I want to understand your basis for saying that it's "the culture" rather than external forces that lead to them. Certainly you're not referring to rap music, which people of all races listen to all the time and have since at least the early 1990s. What do you mean?

And comparing the treatment of the Irish in America to the treatment of blacks is pure hogwash. Read the full article and then let me know if that sounds similar to the Irish immigrant experience to you.

 

[timschochet]

You just answered your own question James. The Irish, like other immigrants, came here as families. It was the family structure that had a large part to do with them overcoming adversity. Blacks were brought here and separated from their families, and when they formed new families were often separated again and again. That's a legacy they have never been able to overcome.

 

[Boston]

Here is an article from Michelle Malkin...I think it touches on some of the frustrations many have with these issues:

http://townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/2015/04/29/debunking-obamas-bilious-baltimore-babble-n1991785

There is zero doubt that Urban areas need help...you would be blind to say otherwise...the conditions in many of these areas are simply deplorable and unacceptable for people trying to do things the right way...that being said pissing away taxpayer money just to feel good about yourself or to funnel it to political allies is not the answer to these problems...many of the past programs have been failures but instead of admitting failure (regardless of how good the intentions are) it seems blaming not spending enough money is always to blame and that is complete and utter BS...until every dollar spent has accountability and those who need help start taking some responsibility for their world nothing is going to change...obviously that's easier said than done but if you don't start there nothing will ever change...we need to help these areas but it has to be a partnership...I really believe most people want that to happen but they are tired of their money being thrown around with minimal results...

 

[James Daulton]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

All the systems and efforts to fix a problem will not work if the people who need the help do not utilize it. You want to change the world and fix your society? Start in your own home,with your own children and make sure they become educated and go to school. Sure your neighborhood schools might not be great, but they are better than not going and the only way to fix the system is to start at the bottom and work up. Make sure the kids who enter advance correctly and things can right themselves. It takes time but so what.

Anyone who thinks these are legitimate questions should take some time out of their day and read this.

And if you're not willing to read it because the provocative title turns you off, or because it's just too long, maybe consider that your laziness/dismissiveness is the reason you don't know the answer to those questions.

Here's a very small taste of the article, for those who won't read it and still believes that institutionalized racism is similar across ethnic groups and/or that the injustices black people faced stopped after slavery or at least after the civil rights movement. Note the years:

In 2010, Jacob S. Rugh, then a doctoral candidate at Princeton, and the sociologist Douglas S. Massey published a study of the recent foreclosure crisis. Among its drivers, they found an old foe: segregation. Black home buyers—even after controlling for factors like creditworthiness—were still more likely than white home buyers to be steered toward subprime loans. Decades of racist housing policies by the American government, along with decades of racist housing practices by American businesses, had conspired to concentrate African Americans in the same neighborhoods. As in North Lawndale half a century earlier, these neighborhoods were filled with people who had been cut off from mainstream financial institutions. When subprime lenders went looking for prey, they found black people waiting like ducks in a pen.

“High levels of segregation create a natural market for subprime lending,” Rugh and Massey write, “and cause riskier mortgages, and thus foreclosures, to accumulate disproportionately in racially segregated cities’ minority neighborhoods.”

Plunder in the past made plunder in the present efficient. The banks of America understood this. In 2005, Wells Fargo promoted a series of Wealth Building Strategies seminars. Dubbing itself “the nation’s leading originator of home loans to ethnic minority customers,” the bank enrolled black public figures in an ostensible effort to educate blacks on building “generational wealth.” But the “wealth building” seminars were a front for wealth theft. In 2010, the Justice Department filed a discrimination suit against Wells Fargo alleging that the bank had shunted blacks into predatory loans regardless of their creditworthiness. This was not magic or coincidence or misfortune. It was racism reifying itself. According to The New York Times, affidavits found loan officers referring to their black customers as “mud people” and to their subprime products as “ghetto loans.”

“We just went right after them,” Beth Jacobson, a former Wells Fargo loan officer, told The Times. “Wells Fargo mortgage had an emerging-markets unit that specifically targeted black churches because it figured church leaders had a lot of influence and could convince congregants to take out subprime loans.”

In 2011, Bank of America agreed to pay $355 million to settle charges of discrimination against its Countrywide unit. The following year, Wells Fargo settled its discrimination suit for more than $175 million. But the damage had been done. In 2009, half the properties in Baltimore whose owners had been granted loans by Wells Fargo between 2005 and 2008 were vacant; 71 percent of these properties were in predominantly black neighborhoods.

How does that explain the culture that encourages kids being born out of wedlock and the thug life? There are countless examples to see that successful societies embrace none of these qualities. If a strong, 2 parent family unit was the norm, then the above could be overcome. The Irish and other immigrants were treated like dirt when they first got to this country too.

Slave families were literally broken up by the slave trade. The entire concept of a traditional 2-parent family was either discouraged or outright prohibited. You don't think that might have had any impact?

There has been no slavery for well over 100 years. I bet if I looked it up, I'd see that black kids born to unwed mothers is way higher now than it was 50 years ago. Stop blaming slavery.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I tend to agree with the argument re the effect of slavery and segregation, but the rate of marriage has plummeted and children born out of wedlock has skyrocketed. Call that societal or policy based but it's not due to history.

 

[timschochet]

When Michelle Malkin is ready to apologize for defending the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II, and for calling for the internment of Muslim Americans after 9/11, then I'll be willing to read what she has to say. Not before.

 

[James Daulton]

You just answered your own question James. The Irish, like other immigrants, came here as families. It was the family structure that had a large part to do with them overcoming adversity. Blacks were brought here and separated from their families, and when they formed new families were often separated again and again. That's a legacy they have never been able to overcome.

It's not legacy that brings families together, it's nature. When the barriers to black having a family unit were broken (like 130 years ago), what prevented them from forming families? Nothing, they did initially and only relatively recently have they stopped and accepted baby-mommas and one dude having multiple kids as a sign of masculinity. It's destructive to their culture and there are examples all around them showing the long-term benefits of families raising kids.

 

[Rove!]

Why is black America only affected by this institutionalized racism? How did the Asians overcome it? The Irish?

seriously?

to be perfectly frank, the Irish pretty much look like any other white ethnicity, save for the incidence of red hair. And what bigotry do people habe about the Irish? They like to get drunk? I don't see that getting in the way of advancement.

What bigotry do people have about Asians? The prejudice is that they are smart and say the L sound like an R. Gee, how horrible, so much to overcome...

The short answer is that those groups have a lot less to overcome....

In addition to being victim of much more pungent bigotry, there is something to be said for generations of a group being systematically discriminated against. It impacts a mindset that is passed from the parents to the children, the old to the young etc

 

[TobiasFunke]

Slave families were literally broken up by the slave trade. The entire concept of a traditional 2-parent family was either discouraged or outright prohibited. You don't think that might have had any impact?

There has been no slavery for well over 100 years. I bet if I looked it up, I'd see that black kids born to unwed mothers is way higher now than it was 50 years ago. Stop blaming slavery.

Swing and a miss! The birthrate for unmarried black women is actually the lowest its been in fifty years. See the second chart here.

Maybe since you were so hilariously wrong here you should consider the possibility that there's some information and perspective that you're lacking?

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Riot-Plagued Baltimore Is a Catastrophe Entirely of the Democratic Partys Own Making

Yes, Baltimore seems to have some police problems. But let us be clear about whose fecklessness and dishonesty we are talking about here: No Republican, and certainly no conservative, has left so much as a thumbprint on the public institutions of Baltimore in a generation. Baltimores police department is, like Detroits economy and Atlantas schools, the product of the progressive wing of the Democratic party enabled in no small part by black identity politics. This is entirely a left-wing project, and a Democratic-party project.

When will the Left be held to account for the brutality in Baltimore brutality for which it bears a measure of responsibility on both sides? There arent any Republicans out there cheering on the looters, and there arent any Republicans exercising real political power over the police or other municipal institutions in Baltimore. Community-organizer a wretched term Adam Jackson declared that in Baltimore the Democrats and the Republicans have both failed. Really? Which Republicans? Ulysses S. Grant? Unless Im reading the charts wrong, the Baltimore city council is 100 percent Democratic.

Yes and yes again. Our war on poverty is prosecuted with the same level of imagination as our war on drugs. At least a generation of pure Democratic rule and apparently the city is still saddled with a racist police department and a crappy school system. And this is the national party that wants to continue to allow super cheap labor into the country that virtually prices young black men with low education out of the markrtplace. No doubt the young black man in America faces challenges which for lack of a better term I will call institutional racism, but the leaders the black community votes for overwhelmingly fails them continually and on every level. It is a sad situation all around.

The evidence suggests very strongly that the left-wing, Democratic claques that run a great many American cities particularly the poor and black cities are not capable of running a school system or a police department. They are incompetent, they are corrupt, and they are breathtakingly arrogant. Cleveland, Philadelphia, Detroit, Baltimore this is what Democrats do.

And the kids in the street screaming about inequality? Somebody should tell them that the locale in these United States with the least economic inequality is Utah, i.e. the state farthest away from the reach of the people who run Baltimore.

Keep voting for the same thing, keep getting the same thing.