Baltimore: The Next Ferguson? (1 Viewer)

[shadrap]

I work in Maryland. We do a lot of work on apartment complexes. I'd say in every single 6 unit apartment 5 are on government assistance. They don't work. If they did work they wouldn't get their government assistance so they either:

A: Dont work and hustle on the side for cash.

B: Don't work and literally sit around all day.

The amount of people raising kids who sleep on the floor and who's parents smoke dope with them around is alarming. I feel so awful for these kids who don't stand a chance.

Worst conditions I ever saw were this one house where it looked like they took up the carpet and turned it upside down,

exposing the backing. I was wrong, it was still laid right side up, it's just ALL the carpet fibers were gone. A plumbing pipe burst above this unit and the kids were just walking around in bare feet. The entire place had never been cleaned once, which is pretty common, but this place was OLD.

There is a huge population of folks who live off government assistance but drive a Benz in somebody else's name, rock a handicapped tag and live in a government funded apartment.

I'm so tired of seeing it.

Me too! Tired of making excuses for this crap too.

 

[shadrap]

Arby the numbers you posted are deeply disturbing. There are different ways to interpret them, IMO:

1. The War on Poverty has made things worse, and therefore we should reconsider and/or reject big government type solutions to these problems.

2. The War on Poverty, despite sounding big, was never properly funded since its inception, the monies were spent unwisely, and Republicans have consistently cut it down over the years rendering it ineffective. Therefore we need to renew our efforts.

3. This has nothing to do with the War on Poverty. Societal factors are at play here which are just too big to overcome no matter what we do.

Which is closest to the truth? I'm asking because honestly I'm not sure.

IMO, all of the above.

1. The "war on poverty" has, in some ways, worsened the situation. It's been said here before, but government assistance programs that are means-tested with significant cutoff points tend to create reverse incentives to work. That is, if a person becomes worse off economically by increasing his income by $500, then there is an incentive to avoid that increase.

2. I'm not really sure what "properly funded" means. "Spent unwisely" is a given.

3. There are definitely societal factors at play, especially if we're defining "societal factors" as "anything other than the war on poverty". That would then include the "war on drugs", which is almost certainly the single biggest factor.

End War on Drugs. Replace welfare with a guaranteed income. Still have the thorny issues of generations of "us vs them" to deal with, but at least we get to a strong base to work from.

(And I don't think I'm arguing with you here with this reply.)

guaranteed income?

Unreal.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Arby the numbers you posted are deeply disturbing. There are different ways to interpret them, IMO:1. The War on Poverty has made things worse, and therefore we should reconsider and/or reject big government type solutions to these problems.2. The War on Poverty, despite sounding big, was never properly funded since its inception, the monies were spent unwisely, and Republicans have consistently cut it down over the years rendering it ineffective. Therefore we need to renew our efforts.3. This has nothing to do with the War on Poverty. Societal factors are at play here which are just too big to overcome no matter what we do.Which is closest to the truth? I'm asking because honestly I'm not sure.

IMO, all of the above. 1. The "war on poverty" has, in some ways, worsened the situation. It's been said here before, but government assistance programs that are means-tested with significant cutoff points tend to create reverse incentives to work. That is, if a person becomes worse off economically by increasing his income by $500, then there is an incentive to avoid that increase. 2. I'm not really sure what "properly funded" means. "Spent unwisely" is a given. 3. There are definitely societal factors at play, especially if we're defining "societal factors" as "anything other than the war on poverty". That would then include the "war on drugs", which is almost certainly the single biggest factor.

End War on Drugs. Replace welfare with a guaranteed income. Still have the thorny issues of generations of "us vs them" to deal with, but at least we get to a strong base to work from. (And I don't think I'm arguing with you here with this reply.)

guaranteed income?Unreal.

The free stuff raised people need more free stuff. Then they won't "purge" your city.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

For those who are interested, this is probably the best article I've read on the Moynihan Report and the breakdown of the black family. Well worth 20 minutes of your time.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_3_black_family.html

If only Patrick didn't jump to the conclusions from early, barely analyzed data about his basic income experiments leading to family breakdowns.

 

[RCon]

Arby the numbers you posted are deeply disturbing. There are different ways to interpret them, IMO:

1. The War on Poverty has made things worse, and therefore we should reconsider and/or reject big government type solutions to these problems.

2. The War on Poverty, despite sounding big, was never properly funded since its inception, the monies were spent unwisely, and Republicans have consistently cut it down over the years rendering it ineffective. Therefore we need to renew our efforts.

3. This has nothing to do with the War on Poverty. Societal factors are at play here which are just too big to overcome no matter what we do.

Which is closest to the truth? I'm asking because honestly I'm not sure.

IMO, all of the above.

1. The "war on poverty" has, in some ways, worsened the situation. It's been said here before, but government assistance programs that are means-tested with significant cutoff points tend to create reverse incentives to work. That is, if a person becomes worse off economically by increasing his income by $500, then there is an incentive to avoid that increase.

2. I'm not really sure what "properly funded" means. "Spent unwisely" is a given.

3. There are definitely societal factors at play, especially if we're defining "societal factors" as "anything other than the war on poverty". That would then include the "war on drugs", which is almost certainly the single biggest factor.

End War on Drugs. Replace welfare with a guaranteed income. Still have the thorny issues of generations of "us vs them" to deal with, but at least we get to a strong base to work from.

(And I don't think I'm arguing with you here with this reply.)

No, you're not. Your reply is pretty much the tl;dr version of mine.

 

[Hang 10]

Trip has some good ideas.

Groovus has some good ideas.

Icon has some good ideas.

Even though I disagree with some of it, ALL of these ideas are worth discussing. But it doesn't matter. None of it is going to happen. As I mentioned in another thread, this country's spending is controlled by white conservative politicians from rural areas, and that's not going to change no matter who is elected President. They're not going to increase spending in black urban areas. They're not going to let up on the drug war, because they perceive that as being "soft on crime"- if anything, they will push for the opposite- no flat tax or any change to the tax structure either.

Why don't some of the rich blue states enact all the liberal ideas floating around to fix all this stuff? White conservatives are irrelevant in California and Illinois for instance.

And yet, LA and Chiraq are hellholes for the poor.

And Houston, Louisville, and Atlanta aren't? Those states have plenty of influential honkies.

Those cities all vote overwhelmingly for the democrats.

 

[TripItUp]

giving more free stuff is not the answer.

Counseling/education/jobs/birthcontrol is the answer.

 

[HellToupee]

This upcoming Washington Post story with the other prisoner testimony

 

[General Tso]

Washington Post reporting that a prisoner in the police van with Freddie Gray says that Freddie was banging around trying to hurt himself.

 

[HellToupee]

If its true I can't see the PROTESTERS being happy

 

[Hang 10]

This upcoming Washington Post story with the other prisoner testimony

He did it to himself??

 

[Mark Davis]

If its true I can't see the PROTESTERS being happy

They still want justice for Mike Brown, what difference does the report make?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is the "black culture"?

 

[Hang 10]

If its true I can't see the PROTESTERS being happy

They will never believe it. Black helicopters and tinfoil hats.

 

[Hang 10]

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is the "black culture"?

Ask Tobias.He's probably the most qualified to answer. He once walked by a black church and overheard a sermon.

 

[Dr Oadi]

If its true I can't see the PROTESTERS being happy

They still want justice for Mike Brown, what difference does the report make?

Hands up! Don't shoot!

 

[Willie Neslon]

You can almost hear hope in the voices of the cnn reporters that something happens.

 

[General Tso]

The Post article just hit the web...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

 

[TripItUp]

Did he have mental health issues? Serious question.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

The Post article just hit the web...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is the "black culture"?

There is no universal "black culture" because black people are not monolithic.

But here's the culture of the rioters...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1430264854

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=042_1430317484

what exactly is white culture?

 

[Parrothead]

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is the "black culture"?

There is no universal "black culture" because black people are not monolithic.

But here's the culture of the rioters...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1430264854

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=042_1430317484

what exactly is white culture?

shopping at REI

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is the "black culture"?

There is no universal "black culture" because black people are not monolithic.

But here's the culture of the rioters...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1430264854

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=042_1430317484

People keep referring to black culture. What does that mean?

 

[Hang 10]

The Post article just hit the web...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

 

[PinkydaPimp]

The Post article just hit the web...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

sadly, this sounds about as credible as the report yesterday that freddie gray had spinal surgury the week before.

 

[Hang 10]

The Post article just hit the web...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

sadly, this sounds about as credible as the report yesterday that freddie gray had spinal surgury the week before.

The Washington Post has bit more credibility than that crap blog...a little anyway.

 

[General Tso]

The Post article just hit the web...http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

This. The prisoner's story was part of a search warrant for the clothes of one of the officers involved. Sounds like the warrant was leaked to the Post by the Police - probably because they are sick and tired of being tried and convicted by the public right now.

 

[General Tso]

The Post article just hit the web...http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

sadly, this sounds about as credible as the report yesterday that freddie gray had spinal surgury the week before.

It's the Washington Post. The story is credible.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is the "black culture"?

There is no universal "black culture" because black people are not monolithic.But here's the culture of the rioters...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1430264854

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=042_1430317484

what exactly is white culture?

Going to school.Graduating.

Going to colleg...err universities.

Singing racist fraternity chants.

Becoming productive taxpaying members of society.

 

[The Big Guy]

Can someone explain to me what, exactly, is the "black culture"?

There is no universal "black culture" because black people are not monolithic.

But here's the culture of the rioters...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1430264854

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=042_1430317484

People keep referring to black culture. What does that mean?

According to the 2nd video, it means watching a woman getting her face beaten in "Brooklyn style" and being impressed by the strength of her weave.

 

[General Tso]

Leland pissing off the Congressman!

 

[PinkydaPimp]

The Post article just hit the web...http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

sadly, this sounds about as credible as the report yesterday that freddie gray had spinal surgury the week before.

It's the Washington Post. The story is credible.

Well, it not necessarily the post, its who leaked it, is the prisoner telling the truth, were they made to say it, and even if he thought freddie was banging around, how does he know someone else wasn't in there with him? Too many questions. I guess we will find out once the investigation is complete. Just seems like if they were sitting on the smokin gun, they would have leaked this before things got out of control.

 

[HellToupee]

Leland

 

[HellToupee]

Leland trolling the ever UA clad Elijah Cummings

he wanted no part of the Obama question

 

[Jack White]

It's 10:00. Only police, politicians and media mouthpieces can legally be on the streets!

 

[HellToupee]

now Geraldo is dicking around with the police

 

[Dr Oadi]

It's 10:00. Only police, politicians and media mouthpieces can legally be on the streets!

Land of the free.

 

[General Tso]

The Post article just hit the web...http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

sadly, this sounds about as credible as the report yesterday that freddie gray had spinal surgury the week before.

It's the Washington Post. The story is credible.

Well, it not necessarily the post, its who leaked it, is the prisoner telling the truth, were they made to say it, and even if he thought freddie was banging around, how does he know someone else wasn't in there with him? Too many questions. I guess we will find out once the investigation is complete. Just seems like if they were sitting on the smokin gun, they would have leaked this before things got out of control.

The more I read about this the less it looks like police brutality.

 

[HellToupee]

Geraldo says I'll be in Baltimore Friday

 

[General Tso]

Geraldo says I'll be in Baltimore Friday

yes he did! I was thinking of you.

 

[General Tso]

FoxNews - Another confirmation from Police that the Post story is accurate. Cop is telling stories of seeing prisoners intentionally hurting themselves in other instances. Calls it a fairly common occurrence. HFS!

 

[Parrothead]

The Post article just hit the web...http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

sadly, this sounds about as credible as the report yesterday that freddie gray had spinal surgury the week before.

It's the Washington Post. The story is credible.

well, we will have to wait and see if it is or not.. If true, how many more riots will we allow to be based on false narratives??

 

[Dr Oadi]

The Post article just hit the web...http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html

IF this really was the case, did no one ask this prisoner before hand? And if so why not release that info earlier?

Because they were still investigating?

sadly, this sounds about as credible as the report yesterday that freddie gray had spinal surgury the week before.

It's the Washington Post. The story is credible.

well, we will have to wait and see if it is or not.. If true, how many more riots will we allow to be based on false narratives??

As many as those who wish to destroy need. Slavery, dreed Scott, Jim crow, segregation, common core and all.

 

[HellToupee]

Crazy sign lady from Monday night back with Leland

 

[General Tso]

Cop being interviewed by Hannity, asked about Obama commenting on the case yesterday:

"It's disgusting, despicable, and a kick in the face of all law enforcement before the facts of the case are even known."

 

[The_Man]

FoxNews - Another confirmation from Police that the Post story is accurate. Cop is telling stories of seeing prisoners intentionally hurting themselves in other instances. Calls it a fairly common occurrence. HFS!

The Police are confirming a story that exonerates the Police? ZOMG!!

Any update on that Police press release that all Baltimore gangs are teaming up to attack police?

 

[rockaction]

FoxNews - Another confirmation from Police that the Post story is accurate. Cop is telling stories of seeing prisoners intentionally hurting themselves in other instances. Calls it a fairly common occurrence. HFS!

Uh, there are also extensive reports of non-buckled in rides where the prisoner is given a "rough ride" by the cops because they're irritated with the suspect. Confirmation from the police means nothing, just like rumors in the hood about people disappearing mean nothing.

 

[General Tso]

FoxNews - Another confirmation from Police that the Post story is accurate. Cop is telling stories of seeing prisoners intentionally hurting themselves in other instances. Calls it a fairly common occurrence. HFS!

The Police are confirming a story that exonerates the Police? ZOMG!!

Any update on that Police press release that all Baltimore gangs are teaming up to attack police?

Yeah, I get it. You don't believe a word the police say, and you never will.

 

[jonessed]

He did it to himself .

Someone isn't vetting their martyrs properly.

 

[rockaction]

This is kind of like when my brother would take my fist, punch me with it, and tell me to stop hitting myself.