Baltimore: The Next Ferguson? (1 Viewer)

[SaintsInDome2006]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.

Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

 

[chauncey]

So now the liberals are to blame for the race and poverty issues in America?

Thanks Obama!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Two things I like about this piece by Jeffrey Tucker:

1. It's a perspective you will NOT find on CNN, Fox or any other presstitutes in the mainstream media.

2. He does not rely on the divide-and-conquer crutch of race to make his analysis.

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[SIZE=21.3333339691162px]Baltimore: Socialist Paradise[/SIZE]

If you have seen “The Wire,” you know the score. There are consequences to state management of any social order. Baltimore is a paradigmatic case. How long can people continue to evade the obvious lessons?

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I've got just a few thoughts here:

• The font is really huge. So there's that...
• On the issues... About the segregation thing from 100 years ago: I joked with DD about this further up (or tried to) but these "riots" have happened in St. Louis, New York, and now Baltimore. - Not in the South, mind you. I don't think the segregation from 100 years ago is really the problem. - Now we have a sort of segregation from the 60s, call it white flight, or maybe call it disastrous urban planning where there are huge public housing complex and blocks and blocks and blocks of nearly homogenous racial makeup. I think this is a serious issue. I honestly believe that changes can be made through reversing what was done. This doesn't mean we can't treat our fellow citizens with compassion and aid when needed, but there is something seriously wrong with the way the cities have become designed by default. I think we have a design problem and cutting or increasing funding to the citizens themselves will not make a single bit of difference.
• About "tax-funded, government-run policing" being the problem and "permit people to work out their problems for themselves, unmolested and unimpeded in the exercise of their human rights" being the solution: - I don't know where you live but here we need police help. What's worse is we have had a history of serious, I mean serious, police corruption and often brutality. One thing that has happened is we have had reforms. But as a result the number of police have decreased. Some of this has been made up by neighborhoods paying for their own patrols. This can be very effective, but also less regulated. - Typically in my view, a lot more police who create a presence but who do a lot less and with less firepower is more effective. The more police are given to do with fewer cops the more they tend towards brutality because they are 1. overwhelmed and 2. under-supervised. Reverse it, hire more cops, like a lot more, pay them more, and empower an Inspector General and a Police Monitor, and you will see better results. The problem is cities really don't want to pay for this.

 

[Apple Jack]

So now the liberals are to blame for the race and poverty issues in America?

Thanks Obama!

These threads are gifts that keep giving in strange, unusual new ways. Like acid.

 

[General Tso]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.

Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

It's sad isn't it? Nobody wants to search for the truth anymore. Not the protestors, and not even the media. People just want to rage. I don't know if it's because society has gotten lazy or if it's because we've reached the breaking point and it's time to fight.

 

[General Tso]

Fox News interviewing someone who knows the van driver and who is speaking anonymously in support of him. Speaks in glowing terms about the driver.

We know now that the driver was alone. He was the only cop in the van. His name was either:

- Caesar Goodson, 45

- Officer William Porter, 25

- Officer Garrett Miller, 26

- Officer Edward Nero

 

[Jack White]

Sorry about the font. That happens sometimes when I paste in from another site.

Is there a way around that?

 

[General Tso]

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dante Allen - the man who was in the van with Freddie Gray.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/wjz-exclusive-the-other-man-in-the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

And here is another interview with WBAL and Jayne Miller - http://m.wbaltv.com/news/second-man-in-transport-van-speaks-out/32669856

Poor guy is in fear for his life now, and it sounds like he is backtracking on his story a bit. What a cluster #### this whole situation is.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.

Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

It's sad isn't it? Nobody wants to search for the truth anymore. Not the protestors, and not even the media. People just want to rage. I don't know if it's because society has gotten lazy or if it's because we've reached the breaking point and it's time to fight.

You don't think that the protesters know that people get hurt during the arrest process? During the ride to the police station, central booking, etc.? Maybe not the specifics of these specific cases, but at least in general?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dante Allen - the man who was in the van with Freddie Gray.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/wjz-exclusive-the-other-man-in-the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

Poor guy is in fear for his life now, and it sounds like he is trying to recant his story. What a cluster #### this whole situation is.

So he is the "38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van" "who is currently in jail"?

I think you have the story that needs to be recanted backwards.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...
What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?
It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.
Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.
He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

It's sad isn't it? Nobody wants to search for the truth anymore. Not the protestors, and not even the media. People just want to rage. I don't know if it's because society has gotten lazy or if it's because we've reached the breaking point and it's time to fight.

You don't think that the protesters know that people get hurt during the arrest process? During the ride to the police station, central booking, etc.? Maybe not the specifics of these specific cases, but at least in general?

Sure, protesters are aware that some arrestees get hurt during the arrest and booking process, but that's irrelevant to this case. Two previous unrestrained Baltimore arrestees being paralyzed during their paddy wagon, however, may be relevant to a legal case if it could be shown that, based on that history, the Baltimore officers knew or should have known that a hard, unrestrained wagon ride could lead to a severe neck injury.

And, no, I don't think most protesters know about those previous paralysis cases. Maybe a single digit percent knows about them.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dante Allen - the man who was in the van with Freddie Gray.http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/wjz-exclusive-the-other-man-in-the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

Poor guy is in fear for his life now, and it sounds like he is trying to recant his story. What a cluster #### this whole situation is.

So now the liberals are to blame for the race and poverty issues in America?

Thanks Obama!

Looks like the cities they have ran for a half century would be a utopia instead of the cesspool they are where women worry about themselves and their children leaving the house and wondering if they will make it back. That's the life we live here.

As malcom x would say. Ain't no damn cracker in Georgia responsible for that.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Fox News interviewing someone who knows the van driver and who is speaking anonymously in support of him. Speaks in glowing terms about the driver.

We know now that the driver was alone. He was the only cop in the van. His name was either:

- Caesar Goodson, 45

- Officer William Porter, 25

- Officer Garrett Miller, 26

- Officer Edward Nero

50/50 chance it's someone named after a Roman emperor

 

[PinkydaPimp]

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dante Allen - the man who was in the van with Freddie Gray.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/wjz-exclusive-the-other-man-in-the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

And here is another interview with WBAL and Jayne Miller - http://m.wbaltv.com/news/second-man-in-transport-van-speaks-out/32669856

Poor guy is in fear for his life now, and it sounds like he is backtracking on his story a bit. What a cluster #### this whole situation is.

JFC this is a mess. Poor kid.

 

[General Tso]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.

Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

It's sad isn't it? Nobody wants to search for the truth anymore. Not the protestors, and not even the media. People just want to rage. I don't know if it's because society has gotten lazy or if it's because we've reached the breaking point and it's time to fight.

You don't think that the protesters know that people get hurt during the arrest process? During the ride to the police station, central booking, etc.? Maybe not the specifics of these specific cases, but at least in general?

I don't here a lot of protesters having rational discussions about the potential for this being an accident, no. I hear a lot of protesters calling for the heads of the 6 cops."No justice, no peace". This implies justice hasn't been done. Justice, last time I checked, was the presumption of innocence and waiting for the evidence to come out before burning the city down.

"We can't stop"

"We won't stop"

"'Till killer cops"

"In cell blocks"

 

[General Tso]

Fox News interviewing someone who knows the van driver and who is speaking anonymously in support of him. Speaks in glowing terms about the driver.

We know now that the driver was alone. He was the only cop in the van. His name was either:

- Caesar Goodson, 45

- Officer William Porter, 25

- Officer Garrett Miller, 26

- Officer Edward Nero

50/50 chance it's someone named after a Roman emperor

Dude that is awesome work on your part. My money is on Nero. Perfect name for the villain of this story.

 

[Drunken Poster]

Sorry about the font. That happens sometimes when I paste in from another site.

Is there a way around that?

Using Chrome on Windows, right click option to paste as plain text. Probably similar options on other platforms.

eta in the full editor, there is a settings button that include an option to always paste as plain text.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.

Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

It's sad isn't it? Nobody wants to search for the truth anymore. Not the protestors, and not even the media. People just want to rage. I don't know if it's because society has gotten lazy or if it's because we've reached the breaking point and it's time to fight.

You don't think that the protesters know that people get hurt during the arrest process? During the ride to the police station, central booking, etc.? Maybe not the specifics of these specific cases, but at least in general?

I don't here a lot of protesters having rational discussions about the potential for this being an accident, no. I hear a lot of protesters calling for the heads of the 6 cops."No justice, no peace". This implies justice hasn't been done. Justice, last time I checked, was the presumption of innocence and waiting for the evidence to come out before burning the city down.

"We can't stop"

"We won't stop"

"'Till killer cops"

"In cell blocks"

Maybe that "rational" discussion over a simple accident could have happened if society hasn't lazily looked away from the truth for decades. Of course the severity of the injuries probably was not the intent but the lack of appropriate care and the cover up (took 2+ weeks to learn of an additional stop?) are more than enough to be protesting. Such a shame that it takes the spectacle of self destructive riots to get attention. Even a greater shame that much of that attention is merely pot shots,

 

[General Tso]

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dante Allen - the man who was in the van with Freddie Gray.http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/wjz-exclusive-the-other-man-in-the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

Poor guy is in fear for his life now, and it sounds like he is trying to recant his story. What a cluster #### this whole situation is.

So he is the "38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van" "who is currently in jail"?

I think you have the story that needs to be recanted backwards.

Good pick-up on your part.

 

[Jack White]

Sorry about the font. That happens sometimes when I paste in from another site.

Is there a way around that?

Using Chrome on Windows, right click option to paste as plain text. Probably similar options on other platforms.

eta in the full editor, there is a settings button that include an option to always paste as plain text.

Thanks.

 

[General Tso]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.

Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

It's sad isn't it? Nobody wants to search for the truth anymore. Not the protestors, and not even the media. People just want to rage. I don't know if it's because society has gotten lazy or if it's because we've reached the breaking point and it's time to fight.

You don't think that the protesters know that people get hurt during the arrest process? During the ride to the police station, central booking, etc.? Maybe not the specifics of these specific cases, but at least in general?

I don't here a lot of protesters having rational discussions about the potential for this being an accident, no. I hear a lot of protesters calling for the heads of the 6 cops."No justice, no peace". This implies justice hasn't been done. Justice, last time I checked, was the presumption of innocence and waiting for the evidence to come out before burning the city down.

"We can't stop"

"We won't stop"

"'Till killer cops"

"In cell blocks"

Maybe that "rational" discussion over a simple accident could have happened if society hasn't lazily looked away from the truth for decades. Of course the severity of the injuries probably was not the intent but the lack of appropriate care and the cover up (took 2+ weeks to learn of an additional stop?) are more than enough to be protesting. Such a shame that it takes the spectacle of self destructive riots to get attention. Even a greater shame that much of that attention is merely pot shots,

There's a fair amount of truth in what you say. But I'm not convinced that society has been lazily looking away. As others have said in here the advent of everyone having video cameras at their fingertips has changed things dramatically.

 

[GoBirds]

Most importantly. .......have they caught the freaking Lion yet?!?

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Maybe that "rational" discussion over a simple accident could have happened if society hasn't lazily looked away from the truth for decades. Of course the severity of the injuries probably was not the intent but the lack of appropriate care and the cover up (took 2+ weeks to learn of an additional stop?) are more than enough to be protesting. Such a shame that it takes the spectacle of self destructive riots to get attention. Even a greater shame that much of that attention is merely pot shots,

What are you categorizing as pot shots?

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dante Allen - the man who was in the van with Freddie Gray.http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/wjz-exclusive-the-other-man-in-the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

Poor guy is in fear for his life now, and it sounds like he is trying to recant his story. What a cluster #### this whole situation is.

So he is the "38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van" "who is currently in jail"?

I think you have the story that needs to be recanted backwards.

Good pick-up on your part.

Have you seen Jayne Miller's interview?

According to the autopsy on Gray, there is no evidence that Gray hit his head against anything on his own. His fatal neck and spinal injury was a kin to the type suffered in a car accident; it needed that amount of force and energy.

Medical experts said as Gray's condition deteriorated after the injury occurred, he may have suffered seizures

 

[rockaction]

Race huckster and hustler David Simon slams Martin O'Malley, ignores rest of Baltimore mayors.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/29/david-simon-martin-_n_7175274.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

3. This is where it becomes conjecture. It sounds like he hit his head/neck on something in the vehicle. Could this have happened if the driver hit the brakes or too hard or took a turn to fast (even on purpose)? Sure, it could. It could also have been this kid trying to make some noise, or rough himself up and blame it on the cops and just hit himself in the wrong spot/position. Sounds as likely a scenario; doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Another possibility...What if the loud banging sounds the passenger interpreted as Gray trying to rough himself up were actually Gray trying to escape by banging into the back door?

It's been stated that the bolt that injured him was in the back of the van, but where in the back? If the bolt was projecting out of the inside of the paddy wagon's back door, then that's another possibility.

Prep the calls for surveillance cameras in the back of paddy wagon's.

He could have also been banging wildly for someone to come help him.

That's a good point. If indeed he sustained a serious injury during the ride and couldn't breath, that could explain him banging around making noise. All sorts of possibilities as to what transpired.He also could have been injured falling off the bench. Twice before unrestrained Baltimore prisoners have been paralyzed during a wagon ride. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/us/freddie-grays-injury-and-the-police-rough-ride.html

What? Seems like this would be discussed more...

It's sad isn't it? Nobody wants to search for the truth anymore. Not the protestors, and not even the media. People just want to rage. I don't know if it's because society has gotten lazy or if it's because we've reached the breaking point and it's time to fight.

You don't think that the protesters know that people get hurt during the arrest process? During the ride to the police station, central booking, etc.? Maybe not the specifics of these specific cases, but at least in general?

I don't here a lot of protesters having rational discussions about the potential for this being an accident, no. I hear a lot of protesters calling for the heads of the 6 cops."No justice, no peace". This implies justice hasn't been done. Justice, last time I checked, was the presumption of innocence and waiting for the evidence to come out before burning the city down.

"We can't stop"

"We won't stop"

"'Till killer cops"

"In cell blocks"

Maybe that "rational" discussion over a simple accident could have happened if society hasn't lazily looked away from the truth for decades. Of course the severity of the injuries probably was not the intent but the lack of appropriate care and the cover up (took 2+ weeks to learn of an additional stop?) are more than enough to be protesting. Such a shame that it takes the spectacle of self destructive riots to get attention. Even a greater shame that much of that attention is merely pot shots,

There's a fair amount of truth in what you say. But I'm not convinced that society has been lazily looking away. As others have said in here the advent of everyone having video cameras at their fingertips has changed things dramatically.

Having this on video makes dismissing the victim mentality of those constantly whining about police brutality more difficult, but still the norm. Will this time be different? I think the protesters have their doubts.

 

[General Tso]

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Dante Allen - the man who was in the van with Freddie Gray.http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/04/30/wjz-exclusive-the-other-man-in-the-van-with-freddie-gray-breaks-his-silence/

Poor guy is in fear for his life now, and it sounds like he is trying to recant his story. What a cluster #### this whole situation is.

So he is the "38-year-old man accused of violating a protective order — into the van" "who is currently in jail"?

I think you have the story that needs to be recanted backwards.

Good pick-up on your part.

Have you seen Jayne Miller's interview?

According to the autopsy on Gray, there is no evidence that Gray hit his head against anything on his own. His fatal neck and spinal injury was a kin to the type suffered in a car accident; it needed that amount of force and energy.

Medical experts said as Gray's condition deteriorated after the injury occurred, he may have suffered seizures

Yes, I posted it above with the other TV interview. Her comments interested me and I hope she provides more context to her words tomorrow. Was it supposition on her part? Was it the opinion of the Medical Examiner? This could very well be the lynchpin to the entire case. I'm not sure anyone could draw that conclusion though. Running head first into a wall seems like the same amount of force that would be generated in a "rough ride".

 

[General Tso]

Ivan Bates, a Baltimore attorney, just raised the "conflict of interest" specter with regard to State's Attorney Marilyn Moseby and her husband being an elected Councilman in the district where the incident occurred. Of course as we all know this is counterbalanced by the other conflict of interest that's always at play in these incidents - having to make an indictment decision on police that she works so closely with.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Maybe that "rational" discussion over a simple accident could have happened if society hasn't lazily looked away from the truth for decades. Of course the severity of the injuries probably was not the intent but the lack of appropriate care and the cover up (took 2+ weeks to learn of an additional stop?) are more than enough to be protesting. Such a shame that it takes the spectacle of self destructive riots to get attention. Even a greater shame that much of that attention is merely pot shots,

What are you categorizing as pot shots?

I'm not sure if many or any are in this thread but anything that suggest that "those people" are less than the rest of us.

 

[Jack White]

Ivan Bates, a Baltimore attorney, just raised the "conflict of interest" specter with regard to State's Attorney Marilyn Moseby and her husband being an elected Councilman in the district where the incident occurred. Of course as we all know this is counterbalanced by the other conflict of interest that's always at play in these incidents - having to make an indictment decision on police that she works so closely with.

Wait . . . one conflict of interest cancels the other?

So this is like a double negative?

 

[Stinger Ray]

Maybe that "rational" discussion over a simple accident could have happened if society hasn't lazily looked away from the truth for decades. Of course the severity of the injuries probably was not the intent but the lack of appropriate care and the cover up (took 2+ weeks to learn of an additional stop?) are more than enough to be protesting. Such a shame that it takes the spectacle of self destructive riots to get attention. Even a greater shame that much of that attention is merely pot shots,

What are you categorizing as pot shots?

I'm not sure if many or any are in this thread but anything that suggest that "those people" are less than the rest of us.

WTF?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Just saw a stat from CNN -

Killed by police in 2014:

African American - 233

White - 414

Hispanic - 138

Asian - 15

Unreported Race - 311

Couple thoughts on this:

1. These are only the reported deaths. There are many more which go unreported.

2. It confirms what I've said on multiple occasions: this is not a race issue, it's a police killing civilians issue.

1. You're a moron

2. You're the biggest moron to ever post on this forum sans Goggins.

3. You're probably Goggins

 

[cstu]

3. You're probably Goggins

Goggins at least hated women.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

3. You're probably Goggins

Goggins at least hated women.

He liked the NBA and horrible shtick though.

Point, Dr D.

 

[matttyl]

So the cops are going with the narrative that he broke his own neck?

Actually one of my most liberal law enforcement friends came up with this same conclusion before the riots started. Mine was a hard brake and him flying around in the back, both might be correct.

Wouldn't a hard brake force him forward in the van, and aren't they saying his injury was caused by the door in the back of the van? Do these vans have the horsepower to accelerate fast enough (in a city environment) to force someone to fly toward the back with the kind of force needed to cause this type of injury? I'm about 2 pages back in this thread, catching up so it may have been discussed already.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So the cops are going with the narrative that he broke his own neck?

Actually one of my most liberal law enforcement friends came up with this same conclusion before the riots started. Mine was a hard brake and him flying around in the back, both might be correct.

Wouldn't a hard brake force him forward in the van, and aren't they saying his injury was caused by the door in the back of the van? Do these vans have the horsepower to accelerate fast enough (in a city environment) to force someone to fly toward the back with the kind of force needed to cause this type of injury? I'm about 2 pages back in this thread, catching up so it may have been discussed already.

it`s called a ''Rough Ride'' within the law enforcement community

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

it`s called a ''Rough Ride'' within the law enforcement community

Has anyone reported yet that he was arrested leading to this treatment for a reason other than daring to look at an officer in the eyes?

 

[Jack White]

it`s called a ''Rough Ride'' within the law enforcement community

Has anyone reported yet that he was arrested leading to this treatment for a reason other than daring to look at an officer in the eyes?

Running in public?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Just saw a stat from CNN -

Killed by police in 2014:

African American - 233

White - 414

Hispanic - 138

Asian - 15

Unreported Race - 311

Couple thoughts on this:

1. These are only the reported deaths. There are many more which go unreported.

2. It confirms what I've said on multiple occasions: this is not a race issue, it's a police killing civilians issue.

Is this based on anything other than your hatred for cops?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

it`s called a ''Rough Ride'' within the law enforcement community

Has anyone reported yet that he was arrested leading to this treatment for a reason other than daring to look at an officer in the eyes?

Running in public?

While Black

 

[Cjw_55106]

It seems, based on his criminal record, that Gray was known to the cops. I think its reasonable that if cops see a guy they "know" and said guy starts running, they pursue. But by all means, continue on with your nonsense.

 

[matttyl]

Just saw a stat from CNN -

Killed by police in 2014:

African American - 233

White - 414

Hispanic - 138

Asian - 15

Unreported Race - 311

Oops

Two things. Number 1, I am surprised to learn that cops killed 1,111 American last year.

Number 2, we know the race of 800 of those people. Since African-Americans make up 13% of the population, 104 cop-related deaths would equal their percentage of the overall population. Instead, African-Americans were killed by police at 2.5 times more than that.

Also, a proportionate basis, there would have been 616 killings of white people, who make up 77% of the population.

To be fair, if we're playing this game, shouldn't be only be looking at the population of criminals/violent criminals/people being arrested/those having contact potentially frequently with the police?

 

[General Tso]

It seems, based on his criminal record, that Gray was known to the cops. I think its reasonable that if cops see a guy they "know" and said guy starts running, they pursue. But by all means, continue on with your nonsense.

I was just going to post this. Fox interviewed his bail bondsman last night and Gray had a history of selling heroin. He was known by the cops.

 

[Apple Jack]

I think of grey as a bodie or poot. "The western district way."

 

[TobiasFunke]

Just saw a stat from CNN -

Killed by police in 2014:

African American - 233

White - 414

Hispanic - 138

Asian - 15

Unreported Race - 311

Oops

Two things. Number 1, I am surprised to learn that cops killed 1,111 American last year.

Number 2, we know the race of 800 of those people. Since African-Americans make up 13% of the population, 104 cop-related deaths would equal their percentage of the overall population. Instead, African-Americans were killed by police at 2.5 times more than that.

Also, a proportionate basis, there would have been 616 killings of white people, who make up 77% of the population.

To be fair, if we're playing this game, shouldn't be only be looking at the population of criminals/violent criminals/people being arrested/those having contact potentially frequently with the police?

Also I think the much more relevant statistic would be kills of unarmed people. Nobody has a problem with cops killing someone who is shooting at them.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

It seems, based on his criminal record, that Gray was known to the cops. I think its reasonable that if cops see a guy they "know" and said guy starts running, they pursue. But by all means, continue on with your nonsense.

I was just going to post this. Fox interviewed his bail bondsman last night and Gray had a history of selling heroin. He was known by the cops.

Is running now "probable cause" or "reasonable suspicion"?

ETA: Top link on google.

 

[Parrothead]

I think of grey as a bodie or poot.

He's Poot.. Bodie was too smart..

I'll never forgive Poot for killing Wallace

 

[whiskey7]

It seems, based on his criminal record, that Gray was known to the cops. I think its reasonable that if cops see a guy they "know" and said guy starts running, they pursue. But by all means, continue on with your nonsense.

Yep. Known drug dealer in a known drug dealing area sees cops and takes off running. This seems pretty straightforward to me but evidently not to the "he just made eye contact with the evil cops" crowd.

 

[The_Man]

It seems, based on his criminal record, that Gray was known to the cops. I think its reasonable that if cops see a guy they "know" and said guy starts running, they pursue. But by all means, continue on with your nonsense.

I was just going to post this. Fox interviewed his bail bondsman last night and Gray had a history of selling heroin. He was known by the cops.

Is running now "probable cause" or "reasonable suspicion"?

ETA: Top link on google.

How about walking quickly? Or crossing the street?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I guess I'll just ask it: who are we talking about here? I'm a huge believer in Constitutional rights to the max, every one of them but here's an honest question - how many people die at the result of the junk a heroine/narcotics dealer sells over the course of say a five year career? How many died as the bloody harvest of Gray's business?