Barber III vs Julius J. (1 Viewer)

[longshanks7]

Hey CREW. - Marion Barber vs Julius Jones

i see alot of people with MBIII ranked very high on there boards... even as high as the 2nd and 3rd rounds?

why is this? just curious to me, i know he got a lot of situations TD's last year, but wasnt juice jones getting a ton of carries too?

Any word from the new coach? need more info on the Dallas RB situation.... anyone...

 

[Bankerguy]

Hey CREW. - Marion Barber vs Julius Jones

i see alot of people with MBIII ranked very high on there boards... even as high as the 2nd and 3rd rounds?

why is this? just curious to me, i know he got a lot of situations TD's last year, but wasnt juice jones getting a ton of carries too?

Any word from the new coach? need more info on the Dallas RB situation.... anyone...

No changes expected to how they we used last year.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Marion Barber is a better runner than Julius Jones (4.8 ypc vs 4.1 ypc)

Marion Barber is a better receiver than Julius Jones (23 receptions vs 9 receptions)

Marion Barber is a better scorer than Julius Jones (16 TDS vs 4 TDS)

Assuming the worst case scenario (though admittedly it could get a lot worse) while Dallas is still a high powered offense Marion Barber still a part-time player, he'll still score a ton of touchdowns. Now if Dallas actually gets tired of Julius Jones inept play and decide to be smart and make Barber the starter then he can be a top-10 running back in 2007.

 

[ceo3west]

Hey CREW. - Marion Barber vs Julius Jones

i see alot of people with MBIII ranked very high on there boards... even as high as the 2nd and 3rd rounds?

why is this? just curious to me, i know he got a lot of situations TD's last year, but wasnt juice jones getting a ton of carries too?

Any word from the new coach? need more info on the Dallas RB situation.... anyone...

No changes expected to how they we used last year.

Has this been stated by the Dallas coaching staff? Do you have a link? Thanks.

 

[kensat30]

Reality =

Barber is a better RB than Julius in many facets of the game. He runs much tougher, he's a better receiver out of the backfield, he's a better blocker, he breaks more tackles, and he has a nose for the endzone. Julius is more of a big play threat. He's quicker and shiftier than Barber and he can make more people miss in the open field. While Barber may be better on paper in virtually every category of running the ball, Julius does do a few things better than him.

Fantasy =

Barber is being extremely overrated based on what he did last year. He got virtually all the TDs and did better in every category EXCEPT the one that should be most important from a fantasy perspective for this year: CARRIES.

This is not Fred Taylor vs. MJD, where we have an older RB being transitioned to a younger RB. JJ and Barber are both young RBs who are on the cusp of their first free agency. There is no one to groom here. And with is a new coaching staff in town, the situation may have changed with it. And believe this, Julius Jones will still be getting the majority of the carries in Dallas. In fact, they may make him featured in the running game with Marion Barber as a mere of pace. Why? Everything out of Dallas has them handing the starting job to Julius very early this offseason, ending any discussion that Barber might come in an take over based on last season. To me is a very telling sign that their horse is JJ and not Barber even if this does evolve into a 50/50 RBBC like many expect. Parcells made it his pet project to bring in Barber III in his goalline formations last year, but who is to say that will stay the same this year? The number of TDs could easily swing to Julius Jones favor this year, especially if the 2 to 1 carry advantage to Julius remains unchanged.

Julius Jones = value

 

[Jason Wood]

Reality =Barber is a better RB than Julius in many facets of the game. He runs much tougher, he's a better receiver out of the backfield, he's a better blocker, he breaks more tackles, and he has a nose for the endzone. Julius is more of a big play threat. He's quicker and shiftier than Barber and he can make more people miss in the open field. While Barber may be better on paper in virtually every category of running the ball, Julius does do a few things better than him.Fantasy =Barber is being extremely overrated based on what he did last year. He got virtually all the TDs and did better in every category EXCEPT the one that should be most important from a fantasy perspective for this year: CARRIES. This is not Fred Taylor vs. MJD, where we have an older RB being transitioned to a younger RB. JJ and Barber are both young RBs who are on the cusp of their first free agency. There is no one to groom here. And with is a new coaching staff in town, the situation may have changed with it. And believe this, Julius Jones will still be getting the majority of the carries in Dallas. In fact, they may make him featured in the running game with Marion Barber as a mere of pace. Why? Everything out of Dallas has them handing the starting job to Julius very early this offseason, ending any discussion that Barber might come in an take over based on last season. To me is a very telling sign that their horse is JJ and not Barber even if this does evolve into a 50/50 RBBC like many expect. Parcells made it his pet project to bring in Barber III in his goalline formations last year, but who is to say that will stay the same this year? The number of TDs could easily swing to Julius Jones favor this year, especially if the 2 to 1 carry advantage to Julius remains unchanged.Julius Jones = value

I, unfortunately, think this right.Objectively, Barber should be at worst the guy getting 2x the touches. But nothing indicates the new Cowboys staff agrees or has any designs on changing last year's workload. From that perspective, Jones has the better fantasy "value" right now, which is a shame.

 

[elcohiba]

And in a TD heavy league you could live with the status quo, as a MBIII owner, but I'm not even sure of that with the new regime.

 

[Garts]

Honestly, Julius isn't that shifty. He is pretty quick and can make a few guys miss.....but he is overrated in this face of the game.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Reality =Barber is a better RB than Julius in many facets of the game. He runs much tougher, he's a better receiver out of the backfield, he's a better blocker, he breaks more tackles, and he has a nose for the endzone. Julius is more of a big play threat. He's quicker and shiftier than Barber and he can make more people miss in the open field. While Barber may be better on paper in virtually every category of running the ball, Julius does do a few things better than him.Fantasy =Barber is being extremely overrated based on what he did last year. He got virtually all the TDs and did better in every category EXCEPT the one that should be most important from a fantasy perspective for this year: CARRIES. This is not Fred Taylor vs. MJD, where we have an older RB being transitioned to a younger RB. JJ and Barber are both young RBs who are on the cusp of their first free agency. There is no one to groom here. And with is a new coaching staff in town, the situation may have changed with it. And believe this, Julius Jones will still be getting the majority of the carries in Dallas. In fact, they may make him featured in the running game with Marion Barber as a mere of pace. Why? Everything out of Dallas has them handing the starting job to Julius very early this offseason, ending any discussion that Barber might come in an take over based on last season. To me is a very telling sign that their horse is JJ and not Barber even if this does evolve into a 50/50 RBBC like many expect. Parcells made it his pet project to bring in Barber III in his goalline formations last year, but who is to say that will stay the same this year? The number of TDs could easily swing to Julius Jones favor this year, especially if the 2 to 1 carry advantage to Julius remains unchanged.Julius Jones = value

I, unfortunately, think this right.Objectively, Barber should be at worst the guy getting 2x the touches. But nothing indicates the new Cowboys staff agrees or has any designs on changing last year's workload. From that perspective, Jones has the better fantasy "value" right now, which is a shame.

I share some of the concerns with Woodrow here, but bear in mind that MB3 has outscored and outperformed JJ two years running with fewer touches, so it isn't about the quantity but the quality.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Reality =Barber is a better RB than Julius in many facets of the game. He runs much tougher, he's a better receiver out of the backfield, he's a better blocker, he breaks more tackles, and he has a nose for the endzone. Julius is more of a big play threat. He's quicker and shiftier than Barber and he can make more people miss in the open field. While Barber may be better on paper in virtually every category of running the ball, Julius does do a few things better than him.Fantasy =Barber is being extremely overrated based on what he did last year. He got virtually all the TDs and did better in every category EXCEPT the one that should be most important from a fantasy perspective for this year: CARRIES. This is not Fred Taylor vs. MJD, where we have an older RB being transitioned to a younger RB. JJ and Barber are both young RBs who are on the cusp of their first free agency. There is no one to groom here. And with is a new coaching staff in town, the situation may have changed with it. And believe this, Julius Jones will still be getting the majority of the carries in Dallas. In fact, they may make him featured in the running game with Marion Barber as a mere of pace. Why? Everything out of Dallas has them handing the starting job to Julius very early this offseason, ending any discussion that Barber might come in an take over based on last season. To me is a very telling sign that their horse is JJ and not Barber even if this does evolve into a 50/50 RBBC like many expect. Parcells made it his pet project to bring in Barber III in his goalline formations last year, but who is to say that will stay the same this year? The number of TDs could easily swing to Julius Jones favor this year, especially if the 2 to 1 carry advantage to Julius remains unchanged.Julius Jones = value

I, unfortunately, think this right.Objectively, Barber should be at worst the guy getting 2x the touches. But nothing indicates the new Cowboys staff agrees or has any designs on changing last year's workload. From that perspective, Jones has the better fantasy "value" right now, which is a shame.

I share some of the concerns with Woodrow here, but bear in mind that MB3 has outscored and outperformed JJ two years running with fewer touches, so it isn't about the quantity but the quality.

| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Marion Barber III | 13 | 138 538 3.9 5 | 18 115 6.4 0 || Julius Jones | 13 | 257 993 3.9 5 | 35 218 6.2 0They were pretty even in 2005. JJ just had twice the load.| Name | G | RSH YARD AVG TD | REC YARD AVG TD |+----------------------+----+-----------------------+----------------------+| Marion Barber III | 16 | 135 654 4.8 14 | 23 196 8.5 2 || Julius Jones | 16 | 267 1084 4.1 4 | 9 142 15.8 0 Twice the load again for JJ, but MB3 ruled in every stat, except for YPR.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

2006 Dallas Red Zone touches - (in this case a touch is a rush or a target)

Many people, myself included thought Marion Barber had way more red zone touches than Julius Jones, but in actuality he had only 1 more touch than Jones in the red zone, but had 14 RZ TD compared to Jones' 2 RZ TD.

Advantage: Barber

However, Barber was a Parcells guy. With Parcells gone and Wade Phillips in place, all bets are off on who will be the primary ball carrier in Dallas, if there even will be such a person. Personally I think Barber will squeeze Julius Jones out the starting role, but that remains to be seen. Definitely one of the bigger positional battles as the season approaches.

 

[omahabrad]

If Barber was so much better than jones then he would have gotten the bulk of the load. In the NFL there is a tendency to play your best players. Alot of you make it sound like Jones was crap.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

In all honesty, I love MB3 for fantasy. But, the Cowboy coaches got a ton of using both RBs the way they did. I do not think any NFL fan would argue with the way the Cowboys used both RBs. They produced great stats as a team. That is what matters to the Cowboys.

 

[cowboyz]

2006 Dallas Red Zone touches - (in this case a touch is a rush or a target)

Many people, myself included thought Marion Barber had way more red zone touches than Julius Jones, but in actuality he had only 1 more touch than Jones in the red zone, but had 14 RZ TD compared to Jones' 2 RZ TD.

Advantage: Barber

However, Barber was a Parcells guy. With Parcells gone and Wade Phillips in place, all bets are off on who will be the primary ball carrier in Dallas, if there even will be such a person. Personally I think Barber will squeeze Julius Jones out the starting role, but that remains to be seen. Definitely one of the bigger positional battles as the season approaches.

that's a little misleadinghttp://www.kffl.com/article.php/72326/74

"The primary utilization of Barber in the red zone is reflected by his 14 rushing touchdowns; Jones had four. It's evidenced further, though, in the split of carries in that area. Dallas utilized Jones 56 times in the red zone last year, while they utilized Barber 54 times inside the 20s. However, the Cowboys utilized Barber 27 times inside the 5-yard line, whereas Jones was utilized just seven times inside the 5."

 

[jerseyh8r]

2006 Dallas Red Zone touches - (in this case a touch is a rush or a target)

Many people, myself included thought Marion Barber had way more red zone touches than Julius Jones, but in actuality he had only 1 more touch than Jones in the red zone, but had 14 RZ TD compared to Jones' 2 RZ TD.

Advantage: Barber

However, Barber was a Parcells guy. With Parcells gone and Wade Phillips in place, all bets are off on who will be the primary ball carrier in Dallas, if there even will be such a person. Personally I think Barber will squeeze Julius Jones out the starting role, but that remains to be seen. Definitely one of the bigger positional battles as the season approaches.

that's a little misleadinghttp://www.kffl.com/article.php/72326/74

"The primary utilization of Barber in the red zone is reflected by his 14 rushing touchdowns; Jones had four. It's evidenced further, though, in the split of carries in that area. Dallas utilized Jones 56 times in the red zone last year, while they utilized Barber 54 times inside the 20s. However, the Cowboys utilized Barber 27 times inside the 5-yard line, whereas Jones was utilized just seven times inside the 5."

Was just going to the DataDominator get the numbers, and you beat me to it.

 

[RandyDB]

This article Cowboys don't need Johnson in backfield is more about the Cowboys situation NEXT year, but it sure makes it sound as if Jones is not in the plans.

Even if true, it still doesn't mention what the plan for this year is.