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Barber to Atlanta for their 1st Round Pick? (1 Viewer)

Some discussion on this going on at the Falcons Message Board:

Chris Mortenson said earlier that the Falcons might make a deal with the Cowboys, trading out frist pick in the draft to the 'Boys in exchange for Marion Barber and additional picks. The Cowboys are targeting Darren McFadden.
http://life.atlantafalcons.com/forums/Topic3027152-45-1.aspxOh lord please don't let this happen.
"Additional picks" would have to include both of those first rounders.If I'm Atlanta, I'd take Barber and two picks for the #2/#3 overall.

 
i have no idea how i feel about this, i have barber dynasty, and just missed out on mcfadden pick-wise, how do people feel about McFadden in Dallas, does this mean they keep JJ? and if so would you think it be less of a RBBC, or more...or no change at all?

if it was no change at all, i would love it, because i could see Barber being the main back in Atlanta with minimal RBBC, and McFadden in a CTaylor - ADP type RBBC if/until McFadden breaks out a la ADP

either way this is huge news if it holds water...

 
i have no idea how i feel about this, i have barber dynasty, and just missed out on mcfadden pick-wise, how do people feel about McFadden in Dallas, does this mean they keep JJ? and if so would you think it be less of a RBBC, or more...or no change at all? if it was no change at all, i would love it, because i could see Barber being the main back in Atlanta with minimal RBBC, and McFadden in a CTaylor - ADP type RBBC if/until McFadden breaks out a la ADP either way this is huge news if it holds water...
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
 
Some discussion on this going on at the Falcons Message Board:

Chris Mortenson said earlier that the Falcons might make a deal with the Cowboys, trading out frist pick in the draft to the 'Boys in exchange for Marion Barber and additional picks. The Cowboys are targeting Darren McFadden.
http://life.atlantafalcons.com/forums/Topic3027152-45-1.aspxOh lord please don't let this happen.
"Additional picks" would have to include both of those first rounders.If I'm Atlanta, I'd take Barber and two picks for the #2/#3 overall.
:own3d: As a 'Skins fan I'd hate for the Cowboys to land McFadden, but such a trade would make huge sense for ATL.

This is all a myth anyway as there's no way those two teams are talking trade right now, especially with ATL being the mess it is.

 
JJ is a big McFadden fan, I believe he will make run after him one way or another
But he's also a businessman which means he won't break the bank just for a new toy.
You have to think that he would do it if he think McFadden is the missing piece of the SB puzzle. There's not a lot of holes on the Cowboys and surely Jones wants to get them another SB after a decade of being just another team in the NFL.
 
JJ is a big McFadden fan, I believe he will make run after him one way or another
But he's also a businessman which means he won't break the bank just for a new toy.
You have to think that he would do it if he think McFadden is the missing piece of the SB puzzle. There's not a lot of holes on the Cowboys and surely Jones wants to get them another SB after a decade of being just another team in the NFL.
I think it comes down to whether JJ feels MBIII is capable of being an every down RB. The only piece to the puzzle the Cowboys are missing is figuring out how to avoid playing New England in the Super Bowl.
 
LOL - This would be insane.

Why would Atlanta give up a chance to get a franchise RB in McFadden? That franchise needs to get a young marque player (Georgia is SEC country and everyone knows who McFadden is). He is the perfect fit to help get Atlanta over the whole Vick era. Especially after we just had a 3 hour love fest on Monday night about how Peterson has brought new life to the Vikings. McFadden is everything Peterson is without the injury history.

Also isn't there a rumor that Parcells will take the president job in Atlanta? I don't see any reason he would want to help Jerry Jones gets the player he so outwardly covets. He could make Jones pay a ransom and I still don't think it would make sense for the Falcons.

As a M. Barber dynasty owner - I am still in disbelief that Dallas won't just make Barber the full time back and let J. Jones be the chance of pace / relief guy. It just pains me to see Barber out perform Julius every week now for the last two years.

 
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LOL - This would be insane. Why would Atlanta give up a chance to get a franchise RB in McFadden? That franchise needs to get a young marque player (Georgia is SEC country and everyone knows who McFadden is). He is the perfect fit to help get Atlanta over the whole Vick era.
Because a franchise RB doesn't do much good running behind that awful line and no QB.Which would you rather have a) Barber/starting o-lineman/starting corner b) Darren McFadden
Also isn't there a rumor that Parcells will take the president job in Atlanta? I don't see any reason he would want to help Jerry Jones gets the player he so outwardly covets. He could make Jones pay a ransom and I still don't think it would make sense for the Falcons.
No. He signed today with Miami.
As a M. Barber dynasty owner - I am still in disbelief that Dallas won't just make Barber the full time back and let J. Jones be the chance of pace / relief guy. It just pains me to see Barber out perform Julius every week now for the last two years.
Amen.
 
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Some discussion on this going on at the Falcons Message Board:

Chris Mortenson said earlier that the Falcons might make a deal with the Cowboys, trading out frist pick in the draft to the 'Boys in exchange for Marion Barber and additional picks. The Cowboys are targeting Darren McFadden.
http://life.atlantafalcons.com/forums/Topic3027152-45-1.aspxOh lord please don't let this happen.
"Additional picks" would have to include both of those first rounders.If I'm Atlanta, I'd take Barber and two picks for the #2/#3 overall.
:goodposting: As a 'Skins fan I'd hate for the Cowboys to land McFadden, but such a trade would make huge sense for ATL.

This is all a myth anyway as there's no way those two teams are talking trade right now, especially with ATL being the mess it is.
:goodposting: I'm sure that right after the Parcells deal fell through, Rich McKay got on the phone and started trying to work this deal. :lmao:

The Falcons don't even have a coach, and it looks like their GM will be on the way out shortly too. :lmao:

But on that island, where some little person is running on the beach yelling about some plane and this rumor is actually true, it would be a fantastic deal for Atlanta. Barber + 2 1st rounders in exchange for their top pick. Just think of all the extra $$$ Atlanta would save, AND they would be getting 2 more young studs - probably one of the qb's, and then the best available player.

 
From a Cowboys perspective, I really doubt this happens for three primary reasons.

1. As far as an impact to the overall talent of the team: Barber (proven) + pick 15-25 + pick 25-32 >>> McFadden (unproven)

2. As far as overall financial value (not total salary): Barber $$ + pick 15-25 $$ + pick 25-32 $$ >>> Top 5 pick $$$

3. The Falcons aren't picking #1 overall; no guarantee McFadden is on the board at the Atlanta pick.

 
Did Jimmy Johnson not teach Jones anything about the importance of multiple 1st day picks? jerry should go look in his trophy case and remeber how he built that team in the 90's.

Then he should go and perform some sort of unatural act on his Mike Lynn doll. (former GM of the Vikings, for those youngsters out there) like he did years ago.

 
JJ is a big McFadden fan, I believe he will make run after him one way or another
But he's also a businessman which means he won't break the bank just for a new toy.
You have to think that he would do it if he think McFadden is the missing piece of the SB puzzle. There's not a lot of holes on the Cowboys and surely Jones wants to get them another SB after a decade of being just another team in the NFL.
And JJ is a businessman but he likes his toys. A lot. Remember what that guy was spending pre-salary cap? He went out and signed who he wanted. Deion for $35 million?
 
Some discussion on this going on at the Falcons Message Board:

Chris Mortenson said earlier that the Falcons might make a deal with the Cowboys, trading out frist pick in the draft to the 'Boys in exchange for Marion Barber and additional picks. The Cowboys are targeting Darren McFadden.
http://life.atlantafalcons.com/forums/Topic3027152-45-1.aspxOh lord please don't let this happen.
Oh, and since it was reported by Mort there is absolutely no chance this will happen. Remember that Vick wasn't going to be charged in this thing according to Mort the Dolt....
 
TheFanatic said:
Andy Dufresne said:
cstu said:
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
:goodposting: :rant: :no:
Actually, probably. McFadden > ADP

Chester > JJ

It may just even out here.
Come on, are you trying to be funny on the boards or just trying to cause a stir?McFadden is not even close to the type of talent ADP is. Don't be that guy.

And I think a very big reason for Atlanta trying to get out of that #2 or 3 spot is because if they don't get back Vick's money then they are screwed. They can't invest all that money for just one player (especially if he doesn't pan out).

 
JimboJim said:
From a Cowboys perspective, I really doubt this happens for three primary reasons.

1. As far as an impact to the overall talent of the team: Barber (proven) + pick 15-25 + pick 25-32 >>> McFadden (unproven)

2. As far as overall financial value (not total salary): Barber $$ + pick 15-25 $$ + pick 25-32 $$ >>> Top 5 pick $$$

3. The Falcons aren't picking #1 overall; no guarantee McFadden is on the board at the Atlanta pick.
:shrug: Nice rumor, but this deal couldn't go down until the day of the draft with McFadden still on the board.

The Cowbiys would run the risk of someone in front of them selecting McFadden or another team trading over them. That would not sit well with the faithful, to say the least.

 
TheFanatic said:
Andy Dufresne said:
cstu said:
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
:) :rolleyes: :)
Actually, probably. McFadden > ADP

Chester > JJ

It may just even out here.
Come on, are you trying to be funny on the boards or just trying to cause a stir?McFadden is not even close to the type of talent ADP is. Don't be that guy.
Amen. Just like everyone was looking for the "next Marques Colston" last year, everyone's looking for the "next Adrian Peterson" this year.It's not gonna happen.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
fsufan said:
JJ is a big McFadden fan, I believe he will make run after him one way or another
But he's also a businessman which means he won't break the bank just for a new toy.
But, he's beaten my giant, which means he's exceptionally strong, so he could've put the poison in his own goblet, trusting on his strength to save him, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of him!
 
Andy Dufresne said:
fsufan said:
JJ is a big McFadden fan, I believe he will make run after him one way or another
But he's also a businessman which means he won't break the bank just for a new toy.
But, he's beaten my giant, which means he's exceptionally strong, so he could've put the poison in his own goblet, trusting on his strength to save him, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of him!
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
 
TheFanatic said:
Andy Dufresne said:
cstu said:
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
;) :no: :no:
Actually, probably. McFadden > ADP

Chester > JJ

It may just even out here.
Come on, are you trying to be funny on the boards or just trying to cause a stir?McFadden is not even close to the type of talent ADP is. Don't be that guy.

And I think a very big reason for Atlanta trying to get out of that #2 or 3 spot is because if they don't get back Vick's money then they are screwed. They can't invest all that money for just one player (especially if he doesn't pan out).
My point was that, like Chester, JJ would be regulated to a COP back - not to compare the relative abilities of the four players.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
fsufan said:
JJ is a big McFadden fan, I believe he will make run after him one way or another
But he's also a businessman which means he won't break the bank just for a new toy.
But, he's beaten my giant, which means he's exceptionally strong, so he could've put the poison in his own goblet, trusting on his strength to save him, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of him!
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Wait til I get going! Now, where was I?
 
My point was that, like Chester, JJ would be regulated to a COP back - not to compare the relative abilities of the four players.
Oh. I thought you were saying a McFadden/JJ combo was better than a AP/Taylor combo.Yes, I can see how their roles would be complimentary.
 
Andy Dufresne said:
fsufan said:
JJ is a big McFadden fan, I believe he will make run after him one way or another
But he's also a businessman which means he won't break the bank just for a new toy.
But, he's beaten my giant, which means he's exceptionally strong, so he could've put the poison in his own goblet, trusting on his strength to save him, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of him!
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Wait till I get going.Oh, Redman, you beat me to it. Great movie. ;)
 
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TheFanatic said:
Andy Dufresne said:
cstu said:
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
;) :no: :no:
Actually, probably. McFadden > ADP

Chester > JJ

It may just even out here.
Come on, are you trying to be funny on the boards or just trying to cause a stir?McFadden is not even close to the type of talent ADP is. Don't be that guy.
Amen. Just like everyone was looking for the "next Marques Colston" last year, everyone's looking for the "next Adrian Peterson" this year.It's not gonna happen.
I don't know...McFadden might be able to muster 34 carries for 81 yards down the home stretch...it could happen.
 
TheFanatic said:
Andy Dufresne said:
cstu said:
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
;) :no: :no:
Actually, probably. McFadden > ADP

Chester > JJ

It may just even out here.
Come on, are you trying to be funny on the boards or just trying to cause a stir?McFadden is not even close to the type of talent ADP is. Don't be that guy.
Amen. Just like everyone was looking for the "next Marques Colston" last year, everyone's looking for the "next Adrian Peterson" this year.It's not gonna happen.
Its unlikely that Mcfadden can come in and do what Peterson has done. However, if someone would have said last year at this same time that AD was going to be as good or better than LT or SJax, that person would be getting laughed at. If Mcfadden somehow ends up on Dallas, i would be at least as optomistic for Mcfadden as i was for AD.
 
I don't know...McFadden might be able to muster 34 carries for 81 yards down the home stretch...it could happen.
Okay. You've got me there.
Its unlikely that Mcfadden can come in and do what Peterson has done. However, if someone would have said last year at this same time that AD was going to be as good or better than LT or SJax, that person would be getting laughed at. If Mcfadden somehow ends up on Dallas, i would be at least as optomistic for Mcfadden as i was for AD.
I said he had Hall of Fame talent. No, I didn't think he'd be performing at a HOF level already.Look, I'm not disputing that McFadden's a great player - he is. I'm also not saying he wouldn't be a great fit to the Cowboys - he would be. I'm just saying that Jerry Jones isn't going to hinder his franchise for the next five years by breaking the bank just to acquire him.
 
TheFanatic said:
Andy Dufresne said:
cstu said:
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
:no: :no: :no:
Actually, probably. McFadden > ADP

Chester > JJ

It may just even out here.
Come on, are you trying to be funny on the boards or just trying to cause a stir?McFadden is not even close to the type of talent ADP is. Don't be that guy.
Amen. Just like everyone was looking for the "next Marques Colston" last year, everyone's looking for the "next Adrian Peterson" this year.It's not gonna happen.
Its unlikely that Mcfadden can come in and do what Peterson has done. However, if someone would have said last year at this same time that AD was going to be as good or better than LT or SJax, that person would be getting laughed at. If Mcfadden somehow ends up on Dallas, i would be at least as optomistic for Mcfadden as i was for AD.
He's impressed even me and I thought there was no question that he was going to be a stud. There's a lot of us who've been waiting for him to get to the NFL since he was in high school but even then I didn't expect him to go to a team like the Vikings with a top notch OL. The stars aligned to put one of the most talented RB's we've seen on a team tailor made for him.McFadden is a top talent but he's unlikely to go to a great running team like AP did.

 
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TheFanatic said:
Andy Dufresne said:
cstu said:
McFadden/JJ = AP/Chester
:no: :no: :ptts:
Actually, probably. McFadden > ADP

Chester > JJ

It may just even out here.
Come on, are you trying to be funny on the boards or just trying to cause a stir?McFadden is not even close to the type of talent ADP is. Don't be that guy.
Amen. Just like everyone was looking for the "next Marques Colston" last year, everyone's looking for the "next Adrian Peterson" this year.It's not gonna happen.
Its unlikely that Mcfadden can come in and do what Peterson has done. However, if someone would have said last year at this same time that AD was going to be as good or better than LT or SJax, that person would be getting laughed at. If Mcfadden somehow ends up on Dallas, i would be at least as optomistic for Mcfadden as i was for AD.
He's impressed even me and I thought there was no question that he was going to be a stud. There's a lot of us who've been waiting for him to get to the NFL since he was in high school but even then I didn't expect him to go to a team like the Vikings with a top notch OL. The stars aligned to put one of the most talented RB's we've seen on a team tailor made for him.McFadden is a top talent but he's unlikely to go to a great running team like AP did.
:no:
 
Makes no sense to me, for both teams.

1. Running Back is the least of the Falcons worries right now. They have a terrible defense, a very shaky O Line, and most importantly - A huge hole at quarterback.

2. Why don't the Cowboys just resign Barber? He is a very good running back, and will be a heckuva lot cheaper than McFadden.

 
I don't know...McFadden might be able to muster 34 carries for 81 yards down the home stretch...it could happen.
Okay. You've got me there.
Its unlikely that Mcfadden can come in and do what Peterson has done. However, if someone would have said last year at this same time that AD was going to be as good or better than LT or SJax, that person would be getting laughed at. If Mcfadden somehow ends up on Dallas, i would be at least as optomistic for Mcfadden as i was for AD.
I said he had Hall of Fame talent. No, I didn't think he'd be performing at a HOF level already.Look, I'm not disputing that McFadden's a great player - he is. I'm also not saying he wouldn't be a great fit to the Cowboys - he would be. I'm just saying that Jerry Jones isn't going to hinder his franchise for the next five years by breaking the bank just to acquire him.
I agree tht Mcfadden probably doesnt end up on the Cowboys. I was only disputing this:
everyone's looking for the "next Adrian Peterson" this year.It's not gonna happen.
I am not saying he will match AD's production, but he is at least as good a prospect as AD was coming into the NFL, so its possible he does, or at least gets close.
 
I am not saying he will match AD's production, but he is at least as good a prospect as AD was coming into the NFL, so its possible he does, or at least gets close.
:no:Adrian Peterson is starting in the Pro Bowl and leading the NFL in rushing yards per game. All of this "McFadden > Peterson" talk is nonsense. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but saying he's better than Peterson is like saying he's the best running back in the NFL. He hasn't earned that type of praise yet. I've mentioned in a few threads that I don't think this year's 1.01 rookie pick is the slam-dunk no-brainer people are making it out to be. It's easy to get caught up in draft hype without realizing how important situation is. What if McFadden goes to the Jets or the Falcons and Stewart and Mendenhall go to the Seahawks and Texans? Remember, once upon a time Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Joseph Addai, and Steven Jackson were just average first round RB prospects. They landed on good teams and capitalized. We could see a similar situation this year with one of the backs drafted in the second half of the first round.
 
mcjc4 said:
Did Jimmy Johnson not teach Jones anything about the importance of multiple 1st day picks? jerry should go look in his trophy case and remeber how he built that team in the 90's.
You have a good point, but I don't recall any of those million picks the Vikes gave up as key pieces to the Cowboys "dynasty" except Emmitt Smith. Much of that Oline was already there. Aikman and Irvin were there. Alot of the defense was built later via FA/trades (Sanders, Haley) and drafted with their own picks.
 
mcjc4 said:
Did Jimmy Johnson not teach Jones anything about the importance of multiple 1st day picks? jerry should go look in his trophy case and remeber how he built that team in the 90's.
You have a good point, but I don't recall any of those million picks the Vikes gave up as key pieces to the Cowboys "dynasty" except Emmitt Smith. Much of that Oline was already there. Aikman and Irvin were there. Alot of the defense was built later via FA/trades (Sanders, Haley) and drafted with their own picks.
You would be mistaken. The Cowboys got several key, impact players due to stockpiling those picks:RB Emmitt SmithDT Russell MarylandCB Kevin SmithS Darren WoodsonCB Clayton Holmes
 
I am not saying he will match AD's production, but he is at least as good a prospect as AD was coming into the NFL, so its possible he does, or at least gets close.
:confused:Adrian Peterson is starting in the Pro Bowl and leading the NFL in rushing yards per game. All of this "McFadden > Peterson" talk is nonsense. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but saying he's better than Peterson is like saying he's the best running back in the NFL. He hasn't earned that type of praise yet. I've mentioned in a few threads that I don't think this year's 1.01 rookie pick is the slam-dunk no-brainer people are making it out to be. It's easy to get caught up in draft hype without realizing how important situation is. What if McFadden goes to the Jets or the Falcons and Stewart and Mendenhall go to the Seahawks and Texans? Remember, once upon a time Larry Johnson, Shaun Alexander, Joseph Addai, and Steven Jackson were just average first round RB prospects. They landed on good teams and capitalized. We could see a similar situation this year with one of the backs drafted in the second half of the first round.
So are you saying that there was a scenario where you may have taken Lynch over Peterson pending who drafted them? In dynasty leagues i take talent, and there is no doubt that Mcfadden is "the talent" this year, as Peterson was last year. Am i saying Mcfadden is better than AD? No, but people act like it is ridiculous to even compare the two. Just like it would have been ridiculous to compare AD to LT last year.
 

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