Bargain Barn QB's (1 Viewer)

[podunker]

1. Grossman (adp 13) Started and ended last year hot. If you take away his 3 worst games, he avg. 17+ a game, which would have put him in the top 8 or 9 QB’s. People forget last year was just his first full year as a starter; Orton was the starter most of 2005. Another year of experience will make a difference in his consistency. The Bears defense will get him the ball back. He’ll be a fantasy starter for someone this year.

2. Roethlisberger (adp 9) People forget he was a top 10 QB based on point avg last year. No off season problems, and new coach that is less conservative should only help his numbers. Just his third year as a starter. Holmes development late last year will pay off big time this year. Solid fantasy starter. As the 14th or 15th QB off the board he is a steal.

3. Eli Manning (adp 8-9) Just like Grossman, he had a few bad weeks last year, but was solid the rest of the time. He was a top 10 QB in 2005, but people forget he is still young. Another year of experience should just help his consistency. Toomer’s injury hurt Eli’s production a lot, not to mention Shockey was playing hurt each week it seemed like. He’ll be a fantasy starter also.

4. Garcia (adp 14) Was the No. 6 QB the last 3 games of the season last year. He knows the west coast offense well that Gruden runs. They’ll be behind more in Tampa, which will give him more passing opportunities. He will be a borderline starter for most teams, but great No. 2 and insurance if your star goes down.

4. Green (adp 13) Perennial top 10 to 15 QB, until the got hurt last year. On a more balanced attack team than in the past. New coach knows the passing game well, and Green has a great relationship with him, as was shown by the fact that they wanted him and he wanted to be in Miami. Borderline starter, great backup.

Deep Sleeper McCown (adp 19) I know he is just holding the job until Russell is ready, but I think he keeps it for this year if the team stays competitive. Last years offense wasn’t as good as some high school teams, but what do you expect with the offensive coordinator they had. It was an aberration, and should be thrown out the window. They have some talent on offense, and their new coach knows how to coach QB’s and offense. He put up some decent numbers in Arizona when given the chance, and he is still fairly young himself. He would be a great one to have in a best ball format, because I think he’ll have some big weeks. Could emerge as a solid No. 2, or work in a QB by committee situation

 

[Andy Dufresne]

- Grossman & Roethlisberger

- Manning, Gargia, & Green

 

[Banger]

One who is not on your list but should be at the top is Leftwich. Last year he was 11th in ppg and his ADP is QB27!! The year before he finished about the same. Yeah he may get hurt but when he's in there he's a decent option for VERY cheap.

 

[shadyridr]

I think Big Ben is a lock for top 10 QB numbers this year yet nobody is talking about him like that. I will be targeting Big Ben as my starting QB as I can probably get him as the last starting QB in my league.

 

[Sleeper 43]

1. Tony Romo- Hes not off the radar but I think he is still great value. Romo will allow you to compete with the Manning/Palmer/Brees owners in a head to head and allow you to beat the rest this season. Finishes Top 5

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

 

[stbugs]

I think Big Ben is a lock for top 10 QB numbers this year yet nobody is talking about him like that. I will be targeting Big Ben as my starting QB as I can probably get him as the last starting QB in my league.

Not sure I agree anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to see his ADP rising. IMHO, I have seen a ton of people in here talking him up and a lot of people agreeing.Leftwich and Grossman would seem to be better options as I don't see them getting pimped 5% as much as Big Ben.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Tony Romo- Hes not off the radar but I think he is still great value. Romo will allow you to compete with the Manning/Palmer/Brees owners in a head to head and allow you to beat the rest this season. Finishes Top 5

I just don't see it. I know I'm in the minority.

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

 

[shadyridr]

I think Big Ben is a lock for top 10 QB numbers this year yet nobody is talking about him like that. I will be targeting Big Ben as my starting QB as I can probably get him as the last starting QB in my league.

Not sure I agree anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to see his ADP rising. IMHO, I have seen a ton of people in here talking him up and a lot of people agreeing.Leftwich and Grossman would seem to be better options as I don't see them getting pimped 5% as much as Big Ben.

I think there is a VERY good chance that all these QBs will go ahead of Big Ben in most leagues including mine.1 Peyton Manning2 Carson Palmer3 Tom Brady4 Marc Bulger5 Drew Brees6 Jon Kitna7 Donovan McNabb8 Matt Hasslebeck9 Vince Young10 Tony Romo11 Philip RiversThrow in Jay Cutler and Matt Leinart and he may even go as late as 14 in some leagues.

 

[shadyridr]

1. Tony Romo- Hes not off the radar but I think he is still great value. Romo will allow you to compete with the Manning/Palmer/Brees owners in a head to head and allow you to beat the rest this season. Finishes Top 5

I just don't see it. I know I'm in the minority.

I dont think Romo is a great QB but in that offense with those weapons I dont see how he could NOT put up good fantasy numbers.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1. Tony Romo- Hes not off the radar but I think he is still great value. Romo will allow you to compete with the Manning/Palmer/Brees owners in a head to head and allow you to beat the rest this season. Finishes Top 5

I just don't see it. I know I'm in the minority.

I dont think Romo is a great QB but in that offense with those weapons I dont see how he could NOT put up good fantasy numbers.

Yesno. I think his INT total will be high so I guess it depends on how much your league penalizes them.

 

[Sleeper 43]

1. Grossman (adp 13) Started and ended last year hot. If you take away his 3 worst games, he avg. 17+ a game, which would have put him in the top 8 or 9 QB’s. People forget last year was just his first full year as a starter; Orton was the starter most of 2005. Another year of experience will make a difference in his consistency. The Bears defense will get him the ball back. He’ll be a fantasy starter for someone this year. When the season was all said and done people still wonder if he shoulda been yanked. He will be on a shorter leash this year despite how well the Bears did last.

2. Roethlisberger (adp 9) People forget he was a top 10 QB based on point avg last year. No off season problems, and new coach that is less conservative should only help his numbers. Just his third year as a starter. Holmes development late last year will pay off big time this year. Solid fantasy starter. As the 14th or 15th QB off the board he is a steal. I agree, mainly because I think the Steelers will be playing from behind alot this season.

3. Eli Manning (adp 8-9) Just like Grossman, he had a few bad weeks last year, but was solid the rest of the time. He was a top 10 QB in 2005, but people forget he is still young. Another year of experience should just help his consistency. Toomer’s injury hurt Eli’s production a lot, not to mention Shockey was playing hurt each week it seemed like. He’ll be a fantasy starter also. The pedigree free pass is about to expire ! , I think the giants will draft a QB in 08 if Eli doesn't drop the deer in the headlights look while throwing off his back foot. Losing Petigout didnt help build some confidence either. I think Eli has been traumatized by being thrown to the wolves too soon, he plays scared.

4. Garcia (adp 14) Was the No. 6 QB the last 3 games of the season last year. He knows the west coast offense well that Gruden runs. They’ll be behind more in Tampa, which will give him more passing opportunities. He will be a borderline starter for most teams, but great No. 2 and insurance if your star goes down. While Garcia did well last year, I think hes a perfect backup, but doubt he can endure a full season on his own. It would be dangerous to have him going in to the season as your QB1.

4. Green (adp 13) Perennial top 10 to 15 QB, until the got hurt last year. On a more balanced attack team than in the past. New coach knows the passing game well, and Green has a great relationship with him, as was shown by the fact that they wanted him and he wanted to be in Miami. Borderline starter, great backup. See Garcia's comments

Deep Sleeper McCown (adp 19) I know he is just holding the job until Russell is ready, but I think he keeps it for this year if the team stays competitive. Last years offense wasn’t as good as some high school teams, but what do you expect with the offensive coordinator they had. It was an aberration, and should be thrown out the window. They have some talent on offense, and their new coach knows how to coach QB’s and offense. He put up some decent numbers in Arizona when given the chance, and he is still fairly young himself. He would be a great one to have in a best ball format, because I think he’ll have some big weeks. Could emerge as a solid No. 2, or work in a QB by committee situation. new offense , new coach, new teamamtes

 

[ceo3west]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

 

[Tau837]

2. Roethlisberger (adp 9) People forget he was a top 10 QB based on point avg last year. No off season problems, and new coach that is less conservative should only help his numbers. Just his third year as a starter. Holmes development late last year will pay off big time this year. Solid fantasy starter. As the 14th or 15th QB off the board he is a steal. I agree, mainly because I think the Steelers will be playing from behind alot this season.

This year will be Roethlisberger's 4th as a starter. He has played in 48 games thus far (including postseason).

 

[Tau837]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

He won't finish top 10, unless there is an epidemic of QB injuries. Top 3 =

 

[Andy Dufresne]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

I think I've just been conditioned when I think "Denver QB" to think 3200/22/18 .I agree Cutler has that type of talent. I was when the Vikings didn't trade up to get him last year. They were at the #17 pick and had two 2nd and two 3rd rounders!

 

[omahabrad]

Jason Campbell is a pretty good bargain also. Considering where his adp is. Not endorsing him for your #1Qb but I think he'll do as a good 2Qb. Compare his stats to Cutler and leinhart and he's not too far behind them but will cost you alot less then them.

 

[ceo3west]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

He won't finish top 10, unless there is an epidemic of QB injuries. Top 3 =

That's what was said about Palmer a few years ago (at ADP QB15), and guys laughed at me when I reached for him. I was laughing when I took their money in December.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jason Campbell is a pretty good bargain also. Considering where his adp is. Not endorsing him for your #1Qb but I think he'll do as a good 2Qb. Compare his stats to Cutler and leinhart and he's not too far behind them but will cost you alot less then them.

Shhhhh...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He won't finish top 10, unless there is an epidemic of QB injuries. Top 3 =

Why not? After Manning, Palmer, Brady, Bulger, Brees the next five are wide open.

 

[The Duff Man]

Depending on what projections you look at the difference between QB 7 and QB 16 is only 20 fantasy points. There are lots of guys who will finish in that range, the key is waiting to get one. The names are almost irrelevant.

 

[Tau837]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

He won't finish top 10, unless there is an epidemic of QB injuries. Top 3 =

That's what was said about Palmer a few years ago (at ADP QB15), and guys laughed at me when I reached for him. I was laughing when I took their money in December.

I guess you must be talking about 2005...? Palmer's ADP was QB11 according to FBG. Regardless, that has nothing to do with Cutler.

 

[ceo3west]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

He won't finish top 10, unless there is an epidemic of QB injuries. Top 3 =

That's what was said about Palmer a few years ago (at ADP QB15), and guys laughed at me when I reached for him. I was laughing when I took their money in December.

I guess you must be talking about 2005...? Palmer's ADP was QB11 according to FBG. Regardless, that has nothing to do with Cutler.

My list had him at ADP QB15 as I was using either Antesports or MFL ADP lists at the time, I don't recall. Regardless, Cutler finishes top 10 worst case, book it.

 

[Tau837]

He won't finish top 10, unless there is an epidemic of QB injuries. Top 3 =

Why not? After Manning, Palmer, Brady, Bulger, Brees the next five are wide open.

Sure, the bottom few spots in the top 10 may be open, but IMO too many of the other QBs have better prospects.

 

[Tau837]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

He won't finish top 10, unless there is an epidemic of QB injuries. Top 3 =

That's what was said about Palmer a few years ago (at ADP QB15), and guys laughed at me when I reached for him. I was laughing when I took their money in December.

I guess you must be talking about 2005...? Palmer's ADP was QB11 according to FBG. Regardless, that has nothing to do with Cutler.

My list had him at ADP QB15 as I was using either Antesports or MFL ADP lists at the time, I don't recall. Regardless, Cutler finishes top 10 worst case, book it.

 

[harryhood]

Delhomme? With Smith supposedly having this monster year, who is going to get those passing yards? carr?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

In my league last season, Cutler was 4th in PPG for QBs. I'm really conflicted about whether I'm keeping him or Hasselbeck. I wasn't high on Cutler at all and thought he'd be a bust, but the numbers didn't lie. I'm a but I also think that Losman is great value. He put up very good numbers at the end of last season and I expect bigger things from him this year. People wrote him off from the beginning last season and I think that's lingering into this season despite a decent showing last year.

 

[Gravity]

I actually think Chad Pennington is going to be a steal this year.

Better running game with TJ + full healthy off-season.

He'll end up around QB12-15 at QB3 prices.

 

[-OZ-]

Deep Sleeper McCown (adp 19) I know he is just holding the job until Russell is ready, but I think he keeps it for this year if the team stays competitive. Last years offense wasn’t as good as some high school teams, but what do you expect with the offensive coordinator they had. It was an aberration, and should be thrown out the window. They have some talent on offense, and their new coach knows how to coach QB’s and offense. He put up some decent numbers in Arizona when given the chance, and he is still fairly young himself. He would be a great one to have in a best ball format, because I think he’ll have some big weeks. Could emerge as a solid No. 2, or work in a QB by committee situation

ADP 19? It's possible that my league is unique, but McCown was like the #35 QB taken by me recently. Both Chiefs QBs, Harrington and Vick, Quinn and Frye, Russell, and every other starting QB went before him. Not to say they were good picks, but still #19 seems high.

 

[shadyridr]

Deep Sleeper McCown (adp 19) I know he is just holding the job until Russell is ready, but I think he keeps it for this year if the team stays competitive. Last years offense wasn’t as good as some high school teams, but what do you expect with the offensive coordinator they had. It was an aberration, and should be thrown out the window. They have some talent on offense, and their new coach knows how to coach QB’s and offense. He put up some decent numbers in Arizona when given the chance, and he is still fairly young himself. He would be a great one to have in a best ball format, because I think he’ll have some big weeks. Could emerge as a solid No. 2, or work in a QB by committee situation

ADP 19? It's possible that my league is unique, but McCown was like the #35 QB taken by me recently. Both Chiefs QBs, Harrington and Vick, Quinn and Frye, Russell, and every other starting QB went before him. Not to say they were good picks, but still #19 seems high.

19 meaning 19th round

 

[hephner]

Jason Campbell is a pretty good bargain also. Considering where his adp is. Not endorsing him for your #1Qb but I think he'll do as a good 2Qb. Compare his stats to Cutler and leinhart and he's not too far behind them but will cost you alot less then them.

Shhhhh...

His PPR was good last year considering it was basically his rookie year, and he could be a great value this year, but he really needs to improve his accuracy and completion percentage bigtime in order keep the starting job long term.

 

[David Yudkin]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

Elway did very well with Rod Smith in his prime, Ed McCaffery, Anthony Miller, and Shannon Sharpe. Walker is on par with those players, but I'm not sold that anyone else on the roster is coparible to that group. Plummer snuch into the Top 5 once but that team also got a great season from Ashley Lelie.Historically the DEN QB has bounced around in the rankings between being a decent fantasy QB1 to being an ok QB2lummer: 18, 5, 11, 26Griese: 15, 16, 18, 20Elway (last three seasons): 5, 4, 13

 

[moleculo]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

Elway did very well with Rod Smith in his prime, Ed McCaffery, Anthony Miller, and Shannon Sharpe. Walker is on par with those players, but I'm not sold that anyone else on the roster is coparible to that group. Plummer snuch into the Top 5 once but that team also got a great season from Ashley Lelie.Historically the DEN QB has bounced around in the rankings between being a decent fantasy QB1 to being an ok QB2lummer: 18, 5, 11, 26Griese: 15, 16, 18, 20Elway (last three seasons): 5, 4, 13

don't forget that Griese's #'s were in 14, 10, 15, and 13 games, respectively. In 2000, he finished QB16 despite only playing in 10 games.Plummers QB18 rank came despite playing in 11 games as well.

 

[ceo3west]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

Elway did very well with Rod Smith in his prime, Ed McCaffery, Anthony Miller, and Shannon Sharpe. Walker is on par with those players, but I'm not sold that anyone else on the roster is coparible to that group. Plummer snuch into the Top 5 once but that team also got a great season from Ashley Lelie.Historically the DEN QB has bounced around in the rankings between being a decent fantasy QB1 to being an ok QB2lummer: 18, 5, 11, 26Griese: 15, 16, 18, 20Elway (last three seasons): 5, 4, 13

Plummer finished 5 a few years ago in this system, and Cutler is much more talented IMO. Cutler also has [arguably] better talent surrounding him this year than Plummer had then.

 

[Kiddnets]

I actually think Chad Pennington is going to be a steal this year.Better running game with TJ + full healthy off-season.He'll end up around QB12-15 at QB3 prices.

I would target him and Losman as my backups - lots of upside for there they will be drafted!

 

[Tau837]

In my league last season, Cutler was 4th in PPG for QBs. I'm really conflicted about whether I'm keeping him or Hasselbeck. I wasn't high on Cutler at all and thought he'd be a bust, but the numbers didn't lie.

Keep two things in mind:1. He played 5 games. Very small sample size.2. He played the easiest schedule of all QBs -- see Chase's rearview article.ETA: From the article:

Jay Cutler was extremely lucky to play when he did. Plummer had the second hardest schedule in the league, while Cutler faced the easiest.

 

[Tau837]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

Elway did very well with Rod Smith in his prime, Ed McCaffery, Anthony Miller, and Shannon Sharpe. Walker is on par with those players, but I'm not sold that anyone else on the roster is coparible to that group. Plummer snuch into the Top 5 once but that team also got a great season from Ashley Lelie.Historically the DEN QB has bounced around in the rankings between being a decent fantasy QB1 to being an ok QB2lummer: 18, 5, 11, 26Griese: 15, 16, 18, 20Elway (last three seasons): 5, 4, 13

don't forget that Griese's #'s were in 14, 10, 15, and 13 games, respectively. In 2000, he finished QB16 despite only playing in 10 games.Plummers QB18 rank came despite playing in 11 games as well.

Looking at team offense, here is where Denver's QBs ranked in fantasy points (passing & rushing) for the past 5 years (from Data Dominator):2002 - 15th2003 - 17th2004 - 8th2005 - 15th2006 - 26thAverage rank - 16th

 

[moleculo]

2. Jay Cutler - All he needed was the reps from the get go, hes getting better everyday and I love the tools around him. Finishes Top 10.

I don't know, so I'm just asking here.... How often are Shanahan QB's in the top 10 and what's the highest finish and when was it?As a casual Broncos fan, I love what Cutler will do for that squad. I'm just not sure what he'll do for my fantasy team.

I can't give you stats, but I know Plummer & Elway have both been top 10 (Elway was top 5 at least one year) under Shanny. When things are clicking in his system the QB is very valuable, and I think Cutler is in a great situation this year. I think top 10 is a lock, and as I stated in my fearless prediction thread, I think he's a sleeper for top 3. I think he's got C. Palmer type of talent IMO.

Elway did very well with Rod Smith in his prime, Ed McCaffery, Anthony Miller, and Shannon Sharpe. Walker is on par with those players, but I'm not sold that anyone else on the roster is coparible to that group. Plummer snuch into the Top 5 once but that team also got a great season from Ashley Lelie.Historically the DEN QB has bounced around in the rankings between being a decent fantasy QB1 to being an ok QB2lummer: 18, 5, 11, 26Griese: 15, 16, 18, 20Elway (last three seasons): 5, 4, 13

don't forget that Griese's #'s were in 14, 10, 15, and 13 games, respectively. In 2000, he finished QB16 despite only playing in 10 games.Plummers QB18 rank came despite playing in 11 games as well.

Looking at team offense, here is where Denver's QBs ranked in fantasy points (passing & rushing) for the past 5 years (from Data Dominator):2002 - 15th2003 - 17th2004 - 8th2005 - 15th2006 - 26thAverage rank - 16th

you were expecting Danny Kannel or Steve Buerlein to come in and improve things, maybe? do you have PPG rankings available?

 

[ceo3west]

Looking at team offense, here is where Denver's QBs ranked in fantasy points (passing & rushing) for the past 5 years (from Data Dominator):2002 - 15th2003 - 17th2004 - 8th2005 - 15th2006 - 26thAverage rank - 16th

Bottom line is this - looking ahead, Cutler is the most talented QB Shanny has had since Elway. You should rephrase the above to say Plummer & Griese's rank was x, not Denver's. That skews the picture. Elway ranked 4 & 5 in this offense at one time.

 

[moleculo]

Looking at team offense, here is where Denver's QBs ranked in fantasy points (passing & rushing) for the past 5 years (from Data Dominator):2002 - 15th2003 - 17th2004 - 8th2005 - 15th2006 - 26thAverage rank - 16th

Bottom line is this - looking ahead, Cutler is the most talented QB Shanny has had since Elway. You should rephrase the above to say Plummer & Griese's rank was x, not Denver's. That skews the picture. Elway ranked 4 & 5 in this offense at one time.

i'm not ready to put Elway's crown on cutler just yet.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

i'm not ready to put Elway's crown on cutler just yet.

Denny?

 

[Tau837]

Looking at team offense, here is where Denver's QBs ranked in fantasy points (passing & rushing) for the past 5 years (from Data Dominator):2002 - 15th2003 - 17th2004 - 8th2005 - 15th2006 - 26thAverage rank - 16th

Bottom line is this - looking ahead, Cutler is the most talented QB Shanny has had since Elway. You should rephrase the above to say Plummer & Griese's rank was x, not Denver's. That skews the picture. Elway ranked 4 & 5 in this offense at one time.

i'm not ready to put Elway's crown on cutler just yet.

To expand a little on my post, consider that from 2002 to 2006, here is where the Denver offense ranked in yardage:2002 - 3rd2003 - 8th2004 - 5th2005 - 4th2006 - 23rdThey have been just fine offensively with an average passing game. The only exception was last year when their passing game was below average. I'm not convinced Shanny will give Cutler enough passing attempts for him to rank top 10. How many are you guys expecting?

 

[stbugs]

I think Big Ben is a lock for top 10 QB numbers this year yet nobody is talking about him like that. I will be targeting Big Ben as my starting QB as I can probably get him as the last starting QB in my league.

Not sure I agree anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to see his ADP rising. IMHO, I have seen a ton of people in here talking him up and a lot of people agreeing.Leftwich and Grossman would seem to be better options as I don't see them getting pimped 5% as much as Big Ben.

I think there is a VERY good chance that all these QBs will go ahead of Big Ben in most leagues including mine.1 Peyton Manning2 Carson Palmer3 Tom Brady4 Marc Bulger5 Drew Brees6 Jon Kitna7 Donovan McNabb8 Matt Hasslebeck9 Vince Young10 Tony Romo11 Philip RiversThrow in Jay Cutler and Matt Leinart and he may even go as late as 14 in some leagues.

Well, I don't see Cutler and Leinart in front of Big Ben, but I do see Big Ben going anywhere in that 8-12 range. He isn't going to outscore the folks on your list from 1-7, barring injuries, so he will probably finish somewhere in the 8-12 range. I just don't see that much upside. It sounds to me like he is going to get picked right about where he will end up since I can't imagine that there will really be much of a difference from QB8-12.Problem for Big Ben, is that I can easily see the guys on your list at 8-11 outscoring Big Ben, so how do you see Big Ben as a lock for the top 10? He may get into the top 10, but he is by no means a lock in my eyes and to be honest, I think his ADP is about where it should be based on your list.I think I would rather take a chance on Grossman, Cutler, Leftwich, A. Smith or even Jason Campbell, who I think will all go later than Big Ben and have just as much potential. All of the guys I just listed were within 0.5 PPG of Big Ben last year except Alex Smith who was a little over 1 PPG less than Big Ben. Also, 3 of the 5 were in their first year as a starter, so I would think that they might have even more potential and A. Smith has a much better offense it seems this year.By the way, my league penalizes for INTs, so Big Ben's 23 of them in 2006, was the equivalent of losing 11.5 TD passes. He finished 13th in my league only 1 point ahead of Grossman for 14th. That also includes Romo, who was better in PPG, and Delhomme and Hasslebeck who both had off years, but weren't that far behind Big Ben in PPG.ETA: By the way, I think you can see that almost all of the guys I listed above (7 QBs) were within 1 point per game of each other. That to me is the reason why I don't think Big Ben will make or break a team because after the top set of QBs, there is a virtual log jam, especially in INT leagues. That is why I would probably rather take a chance on one of the last guys in that tier and solidify another position earlier in the draft.

 

[omahabrad]

Jason Campbell is a pretty good bargain also. Considering where his adp is. Not endorsing him for your #1Qb but I think he'll do as a good 2Qb. Compare his stats to Cutler and leinhart and he's not too far behind them but will cost you alot less then them.

Shhhhh...

His PPR was good last year considering it was basically his rookie year, and he could be a great value this year, but he really needs to improve his accuracy and completion percentage bigtime in order keep the starting job long term.

I think once the chemistry between him and his wr's improve he will be a top 10-12 Qb.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jason Campbell is a pretty good bargain also. Considering where his adp is. Not endorsing him for your #1Qb but I think he'll do as a good 2Qb. Compare his stats to Cutler and leinhart and he's not too far behind them but will cost you alot less then them.

Shhhhh...

His PPR was good last year considering it was basically his rookie year, and he could be a great value this year, but he really needs to improve his accuracy and completion percentage bigtime in order keep the starting job long term.

I think once the chemistry between him and his wr's improve he will be a top 10-12 Qb.

WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT IT!!!???

 

[omahabrad]

Jason Campbell is a pretty good bargain also. Considering where his adp is. Not endorsing him for your #1Qb but I think he'll do as a good 2Qb. Compare his stats to Cutler and leinhart and he's not too far behind them but will cost you alot less then them.

Shhhhh...

His PPR was good last year considering it was basically his rookie year, and he could be a great value this year, but he really needs to improve his accuracy and completion percentage bigtime in order keep the starting job long term.

I think once the chemistry between him and his wr's improve he will be a top 10-12 Qb.

WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT IT!!!???

sorry

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Jason Campbell is a pretty good bargain also. Considering where his adp is. Not endorsing him for your #1Qb but I think he'll do as a good 2Qb. Compare his stats to Cutler and leinhart and he's not too far behind them but will cost you alot less then them.

Shhhhh...

His PPR was good last year considering it was basically his rookie year, and he could be a great value this year, but he really needs to improve his accuracy and completion percentage bigtime in order keep the starting job long term.

I think once the chemistry between him and his wr's improve he will be a top 10-12 Qb.

WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT IT!!!???

sorry

 

[moleculo]

Looking at team offense, here is where Denver's QBs ranked in fantasy points (passing & rushing) for the past 5 years (from Data Dominator):2002 - 15th2003 - 17th2004 - 8th2005 - 15th2006 - 26thAverage rank - 16th

Bottom line is this - looking ahead, Cutler is the most talented QB Shanny has had since Elway. You should rephrase the above to say Plummer & Griese's rank was x, not Denver's. That skews the picture. Elway ranked 4 & 5 in this offense at one time.

i'm not ready to put Elway's crown on cutler just yet.

To expand a little on my post, consider that from 2002 to 2006, here is where the Denver offense ranked in yardage:2002 - 3rd2003 - 8th2004 - 5th2005 - 4th2006 - 23rdThey have been just fine offensively with an average passing game. The only exception was last year when their passing game was below average. I'm not convinced Shanny will give Cutler enough passing attempts for him to rank top 10. How many are you guys expecting?

I'm expecting more passing att's for Denver this year than last year. i haven't done my projections yet, but I'm thinking cutler will finish somewhere between 10 & 14 - call it 12, plus/minus 2. Low QB1/high QB2. And, frankly, that is pretty much where he is being drafted, so I don't think of Cutler as a bargain right now.

 

[Afro Samurai]

One who is not on your list but should be at the top is Leftwich. Last year he was 11th in ppg and his ADP is QB27!! The year before he finished about the same. Yeah he may get hurt but when he's in there he's a decent option for VERY cheap.

I get Leftwich every year as my backup. Talk about overlooked.

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

with all the Denver talk in this thread just like to point out that none of these threads ever seem to mention Matt Schaub with Kubiak in town.

team will be playing from behind often. one beast option (AJ) with a serviceable WR2 (McCardell). AGreen has shown to be an above average receiving RB in the past. Owen Daniels a nice redzone threat.

i cant get to ADPs right now from work..where is Schaubs?

 

[Tau837]

with all the Denver talk in this thread just like to point out that none of these threads ever seem to mention Matt Schaub with Kubiak in town.team will be playing from behind often. one beast option (AJ) with a serviceable WR2 (McCardell). AGreen has shown to be an above average receiving RB in the past. Owen Daniels a nice redzone threat.i cant get to ADPs right now from work..where is Schaubs?

QB19, ahead of Losman, Pennington, Campbell, Green, Grossman, McNair, Leftwich, Garcia. Good thought, but I don't see any particular value there.