ditka...mike ditka
Footballguy
My roommate and a friend were arguing about how many home runs bonds would of hit if he has never juiced. Roomate says he would take about 50 away from him, and they other guy said about 200. What do you all think?
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prefontaine
Footballguy
99-05, when he supposedly was juicing, he has hit 297. He had 7 straight 30+ HR years leading into 99 (totaling 269). So if you assume he would hit ~35/year (and none in 05 when he was hurt and only hit 5 anyway), that would be 87 additional. That would be my guess.
Not sure if he would have played less without it though there has to be some merit to that argument.
Not sure if he would have played less without it though there has to be some merit to that argument.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Around 9 or 10.
dparker713
Footballguy
Hmm, up through 1998 he had 411 HRs. Give him the benefit of playing near his peak for hte next 5 years at 35 per year and thats 175 HR. Give him a decent decline over the last 4 years to 25 per year, but you have to subtract a full season for 05, so another 75 HR. That puts him at 661.
However, he'd probably have retired by now if not for the steroids and the HR chase, so I feel fairly comfortable placing him at about 600 career HRs.
However, he'd probably have retired by now if not for the steroids and the HR chase, so I feel fairly comfortable placing him at about 600 career HRs.
I agree with this and what redman was getting at in his response.The steriods have helped prolong his career. They have aided his ability to maintain his body at a very high level and recover at an equally fast pace. He has been able to play at a higher level for a much longer period of time. Regardless Bonds was a lock for anywhere from 500-600 HR and on his way to becoming a first ballot HOF. I (blanking) cannot stand the guy and I hate to admit that fact. However, with or without steriods Bonds is one of the best baseball players of all time.Da Guru said:
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Good question and probably a terrific bar debate amongst drinking buddies. I would venture to guess 100-125.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
That's just ridiculus, unless you mean 100 to 125 less HRs than he has now.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Steel Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
500 career without "enhancement" is a reasonable guestimate. Good power hitter, maybe great, but not the all time leader he will be with the "enhancement".
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
we should count all of the ones before his head grew by 821,768,263 miles. and play with the remaining HR numbers.
does any one have the year that they feel the steroids kicked in? 1997? im not sure since im not a giant fan.
does any one have the year that they feel the steroids kicked in? 1997? im not sure since im not a giant fan.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Are you seriously arguing that the skill of pitching is equally improved by steroid use as hitting? Must never have played.
redman
Footballguy
According to Game of Shadows, it was the 1998 McGwire-Sosa HR race that got him jealous, so 1999 was when he started. I'm not a Bonds fan, so take this at face value: he really only had one year that was tremendously out of whack, and that was 2001 when he set the HR record. He had other good years but they weren't ridiculously inflated above what he had done, which is why I think longevity is probably a better way of describing the overall effect rather than too many HR's in any given year (except, again, 2001).
RnR
Footballguy
2001 is the only year that is "out of whack" with the rest of his career because they stopped pitching to him after that. Check out his walk totals post-2001. If he was receiving the pitches, he would've hit 60+ HR a few more times.
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