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Baseball Free Agency Rumors... (2 Viewers)
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randall146
Footballguy
Holy underpricing!The Mariners have reported offered Miguel Tejada a 3 year contract... worth about $25 mil.
As far as I know, they're the only team to offer a contract! You mean to tell me that the A's couldn't offer him 3 years, $28 mil?
I understand that the Sux/Rangers talks for Manny and A-Rod are very very serious and that it's really up to the owners to agree on money at this point. If you see a blurb about Nomar going to San Diego, then you know A-Rod is going to Boston. That would be a helluva team!!!
If that happens, however, Pedro's gone the following year, for sure. He's pissed that the front office fell over themselves offering money to Schilling but have not offered him, their own stud, an extension.
I understand that the Sux/Rangers talks for Manny and A-Rod are very very serious and that it's really up to the owners to agree on money at this point. If you see a blurb about Nomar going to San Diego, then you know A-Rod is going to Boston. That would be a helluva team!!!
If that happens, however, Pedro's gone the following year, for sure. He's pissed that the front office fell over themselves offering money to Schilling but have not offered him, their own stud, an extension.
True, ARod is better than Nomar but hes not MUCH better. Nomar is no slouch. Plus theyd lose Mannys bat and have nobody to replace it with
Goat Herders
Footballguy
According to ESPN, the A-Rod for Manny deal would be VERY expensive for the Red Sox. They'd have to...1. Pick up A-Rod's contract2. Pay part of Manny's contract3. Ship Nomar off4. Probably lose out on Pedro eventually.So, in essence, they'd be giving a raise to the hghest paid player in the game, and getting rid of their best bat and pitcher in the process.OUch.HERD
The Red Sox will not make that deal (at least my guess is that's tx's opening salvo).Assume: Manny for A.Rod happens.Asssume: Red Sox figure they cant resign Nomar and trade him.How do the Red Sox "make up" for the loss of nomar and manny's bat?(Manny traded for A-Rod) Win Shares:A-Rod: 32Manny: 27RED SOX + 5(Nomar traded for Garrett Anderson + K-Rod?) Win Shares:Nomar: 27Garrett Anderson: 25K-Rod: 9RED SOX + 7The two trades combined have the Red Sox up 12. (Contracts and intangibles aside of course, just looking for a statistical way of saying that trading manny and nomar is not crazy - and if i can think of one, i'm sure there are dozens of other combinations that epstein + bill james have thought about to make it work).Gentlemen, start your ripping of my one quick analysis...
Goat Herders
Footballguy
Actually, I'd MUCH rather have a team with A-Rod and Garrett Anderson over Nomar and Manny. I think A-Rod's professionalism and Anderson's consistancy trump all of the assetts found in Manny and Nomar.I just think the moves are cost prohibitive. HERD
randall146
Footballguy
There is no way the Red Sox pick up a single dollar of Manny's contract in this deal. They are in the driver's seat if this deal happens, not Texas. The Red Sox can go into this season with the team they now have. Texas needs to get rid of ARod's salary. The Sox are the only team that can absorb his salary right now, if they return Manny. In this swap the Rangers would save between 84 and 94 million in present day dollars over the course of the contracts.
The reports that the Sox would have to pay part of the contract are misinformation planted by Texas. The reports that the Sox are financially strained by the Schilling deal are misinformation planted by the Sox. If this deal happens there won't be any money as part of it.
In other news, as I posted in the Javier Vazquez thread, the Sox are engaged in extension talks currently with Pedro.
Lastly, the Sox wouldn't do ARod for Manny if they didn't already have a buyer for Nomar.
The reports that the Sox would have to pay part of the contract are misinformation planted by Texas. The reports that the Sox are financially strained by the Schilling deal are misinformation planted by the Sox. If this deal happens there won't be any money as part of it.
In other news, as I posted in the Javier Vazquez thread, the Sox are engaged in extension talks currently with Pedro.
Lastly, the Sox wouldn't do ARod for Manny if they didn't already have a buyer for Nomar.
except that i beleive g.anderson is an FA next year too- so just a matter of whether anaheim thinks they would rather try and sign nomar after next year than garrett anderson, and i have no way of knowing their thinking anymore than i know whether or not the red sox wouldnt just keep nomar AND a-rod.but that's besides the point i'm trying to make - just threw that example out there to say that it's not crazy to think the red sox could replace manny+nomar with a-rod+whomever they trade nomar for. and as dumb as i am i'd bet epstein and bill james have thought about it too...
Goat Herders
Footballguy
I'm not lying to you or ruffling your feathers. The Dallas Morning News website reports that for the deal to happen, Boston would have to pay part of Manny's contract as well. Otherwise, there will be no deal.Call it "misinformation" if you want, but when no deal gets done and the reason sighted is that the Red Sox didn't want to spend all that money, don't say you weren't warned.HERD
Sox don't want to hit the Luxury Tax. I will say this, I think A-Rod + Anderson would be MUCH better then Nomar (I hate Boston) and Manny (My poor sick mother)If there is a chance would squeeze K-Rob out, then that would be great.I also think Williamson can be a good closer which means we wouldn't have to fork over 7 Million a year for Foulke.I can dream........
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randall146
Footballguy
That's what I'm saying. For the deal to happen there's no way the Sox spend an extra time. If Hart insists on it, the deal doesn't happen. The Dallas story is completely absurd. The Sox need to pick up as much as 5 Mil of Manny? That makes ARod a 30 Mil player. No way that happens.I don't need to be warned. If the Sox have to pay, I don't want it to happen, and I don't think it will.
where to even begin?random red sox rumors:1. manny-arod wont happen.2. manny-arod happens. RS trade nomar to dodgers for odalis perez, then trade perez + prospect to royals for carlos beltran.3. manny-arod happens. RS trade nomar to angels for jarrod washburn + prospects (and then prob. trade washburn), OR troy glaus, adam kennedy, or eckstein + prospects.4. manny-arod happens. RS trade nomar for adam kennedy + top prospect. sign juan gonzalez to incentive-laden one year deal.5. manny-arod happens. RS trade nomar for prospects only (salary dump), RS dont sign foulke, then take the $$$ and go out and sign vlad. guerrerro.other random observations:-ATL doesnt offer sfeffield arb., thus saving NYY their draft picks if he signs with NYY. can anyone explain this?- MTL doesnt offer guerrero arb. thought this was mtl's justification for trading away vazquez: to sign guerrero. doesnt make sense: after two years, mtl trades away bartolo colon and vazquez and ends up with rocky biddle and nick johnson?
Saw this nugget at AJC...The Braves could be close to signing Giants free agent Tim Worrell, who was fourth in the National League with 38 saves and would be a setup man and backup closer for Atlanta. He was negotiating with two teams Sunday and Atlanta was thought to be one.
Twins re-signed Shannon Stewart
Might be a couple of days old, but...
Twins re-signed outfielder Shannon Stewart to a three-year, $18 million contract.
Stewart will receive $5.5 million in 2004, $6 million in 2005 and $6.5 million in 2006. This is a good deal for the Twins. Stewart is a better long-term option than Jacque Jones, and that's especially true in this situation, as the Twins have no real alternatives in the leadoff spot. Jones can now be traded, possibly to the Padres or Braves.
Might be a couple of days old, but...
Twins re-signed outfielder Shannon Stewart to a three-year, $18 million contract.
Stewart will receive $5.5 million in 2004, $6 million in 2005 and $6.5 million in 2006. This is a good deal for the Twins. Stewart is a better long-term option than Jacque Jones, and that's especially true in this situation, as the Twins have no real alternatives in the leadoff spot. Jones can now be traded, possibly to the Padres or Braves.
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shadyridr: think the story is that ATL will file a grievance saying the NYY had already signed sheffield, but are delaying the announcement on purpose until after ATL would have to decide on offering arb.also, could be the yankees could be waiting to announce sheffield's signing until after the Rule 5 draft, so as to stash as many players as possible to keep them protected from other teams (if sheffield is nt actually on the team yet, they could list another one of their prospects on their 40 man roster so they would not be available for the rule 5 draft)...
shadyridr
Footballguy
David Wells will sign a minor league contract with a base salary of $3 million to remain with the Yankees, ESPN's Peter Gammons reports.The deal could be worth as much as $7 million through incentives and should be finalized soon, though that doesn't mean it will be announced soon. 
I really wanna see Leiber in the rotation.
I really wanna see Leiber in the rotation.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Not according to this:Braves declined to offer arbitration to outfielder Gary Sheffield.
The Braves apparently plan to file a grievance against the Yankees, believing that they've already in fact agreed to terms with Sheffield. The Braves might have a case, but the fact that they weren't certain enough that a deal was done to actually offer arbitration to Sheffield could work against them.
no sweat - do it all the time myself. FWIW, yanks have now reportedly reached deals with wells, sheffield, gordon and quantrill. none have signed yet. think Steinbrenner is up to something?my guess is MLB will make the yankees cough up draft picks to atlanta, LA and chisox.manipulating the rules to your advantage is one thing, but this is flaunting them...
Engellwood
Footballguy
1 year, 1.5 millionPlus a 750,000 buyout on his old 6.5 million extension a few weeks back.Also a 2 million option for next year if he gets 450 ABs.In another Sabean-esque move, the Giants signed outfielder Michael Tucker to a 2-year, 3.5 million dollar deal.Just surrounding Barry with cheap, aging talent seems to be the recipe for success in SF.
The fallacy in your post is that Bos would get GA and Krod for Nomar. Ana. hasn't shown much interest in Nomar to date and if do trade for Nomar it would be for either washburn or ram. ortiz or props. GA isn't going anywhere.The team that has shown the most interest is LA and they are talking O.Perez for Nomar. Bos by trading for Arod is basically saying they are better off with Arod's bat plus whoever they sign cheap to play lf over Manny and Nomar's bats.
Rangers Claim OF Jason Tyner Off Waivers
http://sports.iwon.com/news/12082003/v7226.html
ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) - The Texas Rangers claimed outfielder Jason Tyner off waivers from Tampa Bay on Monday.
Tyner, a Beaumont native who starred at Texas A&M, hit .278 in 46 games for the Devil Rays last season, playing most in center field. He was a first-round pick by the New York Mets in 1998.
http://sports.iwon.com/news/12082003/v7226.html
ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) - The Texas Rangers claimed outfielder Jason Tyner off waivers from Tampa Bay on Monday.
Tyner, a Beaumont native who starred at Texas A&M, hit .278 in 46 games for the Devil Rays last season, playing most in center field. He was a first-round pick by the New York Mets in 1998.
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Ligtenberg Close to Deal With Toronto
http://sports.iwon.com/news/12082003/v7205.html
TORONTO (AP) - The Toronto Blue Jays are close to signing right-hander Kerry Ligtenberg.
"It could get done pretty soon," Ligtenberg's agent, Lonnie Cooper said Monday. "We're working through it right now."
Ligtenberg went 4-2 with one save and 3.34 ERA in 68 games with the Baltimore Orioles last season. The Orioles declined a $1.2 million option and opted not to offer him salary arbitration.
The Blue Jays need a setup man for their inexperienced bullpen. Cooper said Toronto is the team Ligtenberg is most interested in.
http://sports.iwon.com/news/12082003/v7205.html
TORONTO (AP) - The Toronto Blue Jays are close to signing right-hander Kerry Ligtenberg.
"It could get done pretty soon," Ligtenberg's agent, Lonnie Cooper said Monday. "We're working through it right now."
Ligtenberg went 4-2 with one save and 3.34 ERA in 68 games with the Baltimore Orioles last season. The Orioles declined a $1.2 million option and opted not to offer him salary arbitration.
The Blue Jays need a setup man for their inexperienced bullpen. Cooper said Toronto is the team Ligtenberg is most interested in.
Phillies Want Millwood Back for 2004
http://sports.iwon.com/news/12082003/v7227.html
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - The Philadelphia Phillies want Kevin Millwood back for 2004. They're not ready to commit beyond one year.
Phillies general manager Ed Wade made it clear Monday he didn't offer salary arbitration to Millwood just to ensure the team would get an amateur draft pick as compensation if the right-hander signed elsewhere.
"We absolutely hope Kevin comes back and pitches for us in 2004," Wade said. "We're prepared to begin discussion on a one-year contract."
Millwood has until Dec. 19 to accept arbitration. The Phillies last month offered Millwood a three-year deal worth about $30 million with an option for a fourth year, but took it off the table after acquiring Eric Milton from Minnesota last week.
Millwood's agent, Scott Boras, is believed to be seeking a five-year deal worth about $15 million per season.
Milton will make $9 million in 2004, the final season of his contract. Millwood, who made $9.9 million last season, stands to earn $10 million to $13 million next year. If he accepts arbitration, Wade said the Phillies would be "significantly over budget." However, Wade said the team is prepared to take on the additional salary.
"We have the ability to fill our needs," Wade said. "Kevin accepting arbitration is a separate bonus to the organization. It creates an opportunity for us to evaluate a number of pitchers going forward and allows us to have some flexibility next offseason."
Millwood's return would give the Phillies one of the best rotations in baseball. Randy Wolf, Vicente Padilla, Milton and Millwood each have been All-Stars, and Brett Myers could even be better.
Philadelphia, which won 86 games last season, already filled its biggest hole by acquiring All-Star closer Billy Wagner from Houston last month. The Phillies have spent a lot of money the last two years, beginning with the signings of free agents Jim Thome ($85 million over six years) and David Bell ($17 million over four seasons) last year.
The team is moving into a new ballpark in April and expects to generate more revenue.
Philadelphia also offered arbitration to reliever Dan Plesac, and Wade said the team is close to signing the 41-year-old left-hander.
Millwood came to the Phillies from Atlanta last December in a trade for catcher Johnny Estrada in a cost-cutting move by the Braves. The Phillies had hoped to sign Millwood to a contract extension, but talks broke off early in the season.
A former All-Star with Atlanta, Millwood went 14-12 with a 4.01 ERA for the Phillies last year, and pitched a no-hitter against San Francisco on April 27.
He had a poor finish, going 0-3 with two no-decisions in his last five starts, including two disappointing outings against eventual World Series winner Florida with the wild card at stake.
The Phillies didn't offer arbitration to former closer Jose Mesa, catcher Kelly Stinnett and relievers Turk Wendell, Terry Adams and Mike Williams. The team is looking to add a setup reliever and another reliever through free agency.
http://sports.iwon.com/news/12082003/v7227.html
PHILADELPHIA (AP) - The Philadelphia Phillies want Kevin Millwood back for 2004. They're not ready to commit beyond one year.
Phillies general manager Ed Wade made it clear Monday he didn't offer salary arbitration to Millwood just to ensure the team would get an amateur draft pick as compensation if the right-hander signed elsewhere.
"We absolutely hope Kevin comes back and pitches for us in 2004," Wade said. "We're prepared to begin discussion on a one-year contract."
Millwood has until Dec. 19 to accept arbitration. The Phillies last month offered Millwood a three-year deal worth about $30 million with an option for a fourth year, but took it off the table after acquiring Eric Milton from Minnesota last week.
Millwood's agent, Scott Boras, is believed to be seeking a five-year deal worth about $15 million per season.
Milton will make $9 million in 2004, the final season of his contract. Millwood, who made $9.9 million last season, stands to earn $10 million to $13 million next year. If he accepts arbitration, Wade said the Phillies would be "significantly over budget." However, Wade said the team is prepared to take on the additional salary.
"We have the ability to fill our needs," Wade said. "Kevin accepting arbitration is a separate bonus to the organization. It creates an opportunity for us to evaluate a number of pitchers going forward and allows us to have some flexibility next offseason."
Millwood's return would give the Phillies one of the best rotations in baseball. Randy Wolf, Vicente Padilla, Milton and Millwood each have been All-Stars, and Brett Myers could even be better.
Philadelphia, which won 86 games last season, already filled its biggest hole by acquiring All-Star closer Billy Wagner from Houston last month. The Phillies have spent a lot of money the last two years, beginning with the signings of free agents Jim Thome ($85 million over six years) and David Bell ($17 million over four seasons) last year.
The team is moving into a new ballpark in April and expects to generate more revenue.
Philadelphia also offered arbitration to reliever Dan Plesac, and Wade said the team is close to signing the 41-year-old left-hander.
Millwood came to the Phillies from Atlanta last December in a trade for catcher Johnny Estrada in a cost-cutting move by the Braves. The Phillies had hoped to sign Millwood to a contract extension, but talks broke off early in the season.
A former All-Star with Atlanta, Millwood went 14-12 with a 4.01 ERA for the Phillies last year, and pitched a no-hitter against San Francisco on April 27.
He had a poor finish, going 0-3 with two no-decisions in his last five starts, including two disappointing outings against eventual World Series winner Florida with the wild card at stake.
The Phillies didn't offer arbitration to former closer Jose Mesa, catcher Kelly Stinnett and relievers Turk Wendell, Terry Adams and Mike Williams. The team is looking to add a setup reliever and another reliever through free agency.
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If the reports about Texas expecting Bos to pickup a few mil of Manny's deal are false, then why hasn't a deal been done? If Bos isn't willing to throw in a few mil, why did they seek permission from the Rangers and the commissioner to talk to Arod about restructuring his option years?The reason this deal hasn't happened is b/c Texas expects Bos to throwin 10-20 mil and Bos is blinking at picking up any of Manny's deal, but if they want Arod that is the deal they will have to make.
']Millwood's agent said::rotflmao: Boras.This is a significant statement from Wade for Phillies fans who don't think this organization is committed to winning. And yes, those folks still exist, despite the off-season moves last year.Not a superstar among them, but every pitcher in this rotation would be at least a 3 on any other team, and probably a 2 or 1 on most teams. Depth like that will make it easier on a bullpen that just got abused last year.Edit to remove the comment about Adams. Apparently the Phils really aren't interested in bringing him back. That's a shame, because he's a quality middle guy.
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
Well Sheffield to the Yanks may not be a done deal after all as Sheffield is backing out of his handshake agreement with the Boss. In response the Boss has re-signed Sierra :rotflmao: The Boss must be steaming.
In other news, ticket prices for the Yankees are going up .. anyone surprised?
In other news, ticket prices for the Yankees are going up .. anyone surprised?
Shiggy Shaol
Footballguy
Didn't Gammons say that Anaheim will not move Garrett Anderson for Nomar, let alone Garrett + FRod? I side with Anaheim here.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
Orioles are tops on the list to get Vlad. Tigers are probably going to get Fernando Vina. The Devil Rays are talking to Carl Everett. The Royals are going after Benito Santiago. The new Rafael Palmiero rumor is the Marlins. The Phillies are looking at Ugy Urbina. Some other minor things. Nothing big.
Ouch! I was hoping the Mets would sign one of these two guys to be the closer and now they are swept off the market. I guess the cell phones didn't work as well from Japan.
WHo the hell are they going to get now. Urbina? Please, I can see another Benitez all over again. 
I hope the Mets pass on Cameron, no need to spend that money for al those Ks especially since Matsui Ks more than you would think. Mayeb inquire about Preston Wilson, would love to have him back. Then sign a guy like Jordan. The pitching still sucks (maybe look at Ponson) and there is nobody in the bullpen but that line-up would be decent. SS - Matsui2B - ReyesCF - Preston WilsonLF - FloydC - PiazzaRF - Jordan/Sanders/Cedano/Perez (one or two of them)1B - Phillips3B - WiggintonGlavineLeiterPonsinTrachselSeoor something like that may get them to .500
Night Hawks
Footballguy
Cubs Talking With Pudge!!!!
I can barely type as I sit here and hear about unconfirmed reports that my Cubbies have put up an offer to Pudge and it's being considered. The blurb I linked to is VERY brief but I'll go look for more.
I can barely type as I sit here and hear about unconfirmed reports that my Cubbies have put up an offer to Pudge and it's being considered. The blurb I linked to is VERY brief but I'll go look for more.
Night Hawks
Footballguy
Damn! Not as close as I thought.Too bad. I'm glad to hear they're in the race but don't see the Cubbies anteing up too much. Here's to hoping, though.Cubs Talking With Pudge!!!!
I can barely type as I sit here and hear about unconfirmed reports that my Cubbies have put up an offer to Pudge and it's being considered. The blurb I linked to is VERY brief but I'll go look for more.
