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Baton Rouge Walmart shooting (1 Viewer)
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Mile High
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El Floppo
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there were 4 people shot at a vigil in brooklyn yesterday. another drop in the bucket mass shooting.
trader jake
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How long until we just pin a gun violence thread? 
rockaction
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The link updated to no active shooter situation, no EMS transports from Wal Mart with gunshot wounds. Active situation and more news needed.
rockaction
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I'm wondering now about the definition of "shootings" and "mass shootings." I remember in SPFLD, MA, about a decade and a half ago, there was a shooting and ten people were killed. Turns out it was all gang-related violence, and everyone killed was in a gang.
The mayor actually said, "there were no victims here. Only perpetrators."
I wonder if we're not getting a little loose in our definition of "mass shooting."
The mayor actually said, "there were no victims here. Only perpetrators."
I wonder if we're not getting a little loose in our definition of "mass shooting."
El Floppo
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The other thread linked an understood definition that excluded gang violence. Not sure where it stood on innocent victims of gang violence.
rockaction
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Oh, okay. The thread currently on the front page? I'd like to see that, actually, and see and chart the rise or increase in gun violence in America. According to conventional narrative, it's stark. I have no reason to disbelieve conventional narrative in this case.
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TheFanatic
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rockaction
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I also just did some Google searching and found that the generally nonpartisan (to the best of my knowledge and recollection) RAND Corporation had this paper. It drew no conclusion about the incidence of mass shootings and the rise thereof, but certainly noted that media and scholarly definitions of "mass shooting" had expanded greatly, something that does not surprise me at first blush with these statistics. I still am saying nothing about conventional narrative, as further research and thought would be required, and isn't something I'm prepared to take a contrarian position about while tensions are high. Here's the paper.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/mass-shootings.html
Here is the conclusion, according to RAND and main researcher Rosanna Smart:
rockaction
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Because when trying to craft policy designed to stop indiscriminate mass shootings, ascertaining some sort of motive or modus operandi of the shooter/s is important.
rockaction
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Update:
Nobody transported with a gunshot wound from the Walmart, according to EMS. One person at Baton Rouge General being treated in fair condition for...something...seems like an odd sourcing and inclusion.
https://www.wafb.com/2019/08/06/reports-shooting-walmart-burbank-drive/
Nobody transported with a gunshot wound from the Walmart, according to EMS. One person at Baton Rouge General being treated in fair condition for...something...seems like an odd sourcing and inclusion.
https://www.wafb.com/2019/08/06/reports-shooting-walmart-burbank-drive/
TheFanatic
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So when ascertaining motive to stop mass shootings, we should forget about gangs shootings or organized crime? Hmmmm. I would think we would want to stop all forms of mass shootings. I wonder what the percentage of all shootings involve gang related murders compared to these mass shootings that don't involve gangs or the mob?
Or is it more important to stop the indiscriminate shootings and allow the discriminate ones go unchecked?
E Street Brat
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rockaction
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Shootings that have definitive causes like gang or family violence require different policy considerations than indiscriminate shootings, IMO. Of course it's important to stop all of them, but putting each categorical motive in the same one-sized solution probably won't do much.
There are differing interventions and policy implications for those that are in danger of or would be affected by gun violence with respect to family, gangs, and publicly indiscriminate shooters, respectively.
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rockaction
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Honestly, E Street, that can't possibly help either way. I'm not even sure what side of sarcasm you're on in this case. What are you really trying to say?
E Street Brat
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I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would help. In the mean time sarcasm is all I have. and I don't really have a side.
I could make an argument based on what I've seen on the internet that the only shootings that matter to the news are the ones committed by white guys.
Neil deGrasse Tyson had a pretty good and honest tweet and took a lot of heat over it,
E Street Brat
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It seems like the media, wants to count the gang shootings as a mass shooting when talking about gun violence. But just don't have the stomach to talk about everyday gang violence,
because the targets are generally known to the shooter, a deal gone wrong, or some other form of revenge against a particular person, hence a homicide. Not some random suburban mom going about her day, shopping at Walmart and getting gunned down in the parking lot b/c of bad timing.
And there is plenty of white organized crime members. Tony Soprano says hi.
Tell Tony Soprano Shaft is on his tail.
rockaction
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Cool. I can't say I've got it, but I probably should have erred on the side of not commenting myself.
irish eyes
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I guess every shooting in every town is going to be major news. It was a disagreement with customer service person. I'm sure trump is at fault some how.
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