BC coach fired for interviewing with Jets (1 Viewer)

[Ramblin Wreck]

There's a lot of generalties going around here. If a coach is doing a lousy job (i.e. losing, violations or fan disinterest) than firing him isn't disloyal. If he's coming off of 10-2 seasons running a clean program and gets fired than that's being dislyoal. Like any other profession if you're not performing up to certain standards than you're probably going to get canned. The good news for coaches is you can absolutely suck or lie to your boss and still get the remainder of your contract. Sorry, but that's not disloyalty...that's a great benefit.As for BC I find it hard to believe that people have an issue with them. They have a coach openly looking for another job. That is not open for debate. Right now he's attempting to leave them for another opportunity that only benefits him and not the program. Obviously, this is par for the course in college football and no one should be surprised. Yet, not only is he looking to work elsewhere but he is doing it a manner (i.e. secretive and what looks like lying as well) where there's zero concern for his current program...after only two years on the job. There's nothing about this situation that benefits the BC program. So, with that going on his boss should just sit back and allow the program to be rudderless until Jags decides what's best for him? He should continue employing a coach who's actions have made it obvious he is not long for the job? Unless new facts surface I applaud Gene DeFillipo for his stand here. His job is to ensure a long-term quality program and it's become very apparent from this situation that having Jags as the HC will not help with that goal.

So the Buffalo AD is kind of a weeny for not canning Turner Gill, who is openly whoring himself around for a better job. Even though it would be stupid to can the guy instead of getting as much as you can from him. Not sure why BC would can a guy that has 2 ACC Championship Game appearances in 2 years. Even if you only get one more year out of him, that's better than nothing. Gives you a year to start looking for the best replacement too. If GDF wants to fire Jags, that's his right. But doing so because Jags did not inform him he was interviewing or because he's interviewing is poor business and isn't going to attract many good coaches to want to work for you.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. My guess is lying to your boss and not returning calls from him isn't something most ADs are looking for in a HC.

Link to him lying and not returning calls?Most sources are saying that GDF found out about the NYJ Saturday and called Jags to confirm it and Jags told him it was true. GDF was pissed he didn't know about it from Jags before finding out from the media. Which is understandable but still stupid to fire someone over it if you expect good coaches to line up and want to work for you.There's also a lot of talk in the media that Jags contract says he could not interview for 3 years. I'm hearing from some BC acquaintances that is false and there was only a verbal agreement. That's poor business by GDF, if true. GDF is acting as if BC is a top-level job that should attract a top coach to stay forever and ever. It isn't. There are few of those in college especially if you hire a guy from the NFL. Of course that guy probably wants to get back to the NFL one day especially if he's motivated to reach his coaching potential.

IMO I think you're totally missing the point on what BC thinks. I think BC totally understands it's a potential steppingstone school. It's big time enough that any coach that does well there is a prime candidate for a major job like the Jacksonville Jags (Coughlin) or a job with unlimited resources (i.e. NC State and O'Brien) but by no means is it a Ohio State or LSU. I don't think they have any illusions otherwise. Due to that I think they are doing everything in their power so that they don't get blatantly used (i.e. two years and out like Jags) and turn into a program that's constantly influx and unstable. I don't think it's a fluke that York and Skinner are long-timers (I understand hockey is different beceause BC is a legit power) as was O'Brien. From all appearances this is one of the main factors BC is using to pick a coach and to have a guy want to leave after two years would seem to totally go against what BC is striving for. So, while Jags can do what he wants it would be foolish for DeFillipo to entrust the most important program in the school to a guy who appears to be a short-timer.

Don't disagree with any of that if it's the philosophy BC and GDF want to work under. I'd question why they hired Jags in the first place though. Is there a link he definitely lied? I don't think we know the real story and may never know it.

 

[Boston]

There's a lot of generalties going around here. If a coach is doing a lousy job (i.e. losing, violations or fan disinterest) than firing him isn't disloyal. If he's coming off of 10-2 seasons running a clean program and gets fired than that's being dislyoal. Like any other profession if you're not performing up to certain standards than you're probably going to get canned. The good news for coaches is you can absolutely suck or lie to your boss and still get the remainder of your contract. Sorry, but that's not disloyalty...that's a great benefit.As for BC I find it hard to believe that people have an issue with them. They have a coach openly looking for another job. That is not open for debate. Right now he's attempting to leave them for another opportunity that only benefits him and not the program. Obviously, this is par for the course in college football and no one should be surprised. Yet, not only is he looking to work elsewhere but he is doing it a manner (i.e. secretive and what looks like lying as well) where there's zero concern for his current program...after only two years on the job. There's nothing about this situation that benefits the BC program. So, with that going on his boss should just sit back and allow the program to be rudderless until Jags decides what's best for him? He should continue employing a coach who's actions have made it obvious he is not long for the job? Unless new facts surface I applaud Gene DeFillipo for his stand here. His job is to ensure a long-term quality program and it's become very apparent from this situation that having Jags as the HC will not help with that goal.

So the Buffalo AD is kind of a weeny for not canning Turner Gill, who is openly whoring himself around for a better job. Even though it would be stupid to can the guy instead of getting as much as you can from him. Not sure why BC would can a guy that has 2 ACC Championship Game appearances in 2 years. Even if you only get one more year out of him, that's better than nothing. Gives you a year to start looking for the best replacement too. If GDF wants to fire Jags, that's his right. But doing so because Jags did not inform him he was interviewing or because he's interviewing is poor business and isn't going to attract many good coaches to want to work for you.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. My guess is lying to your boss and not returning calls from him isn't something most ADs are looking for in a HC.

Link to him lying and not returning calls?Most sources are saying that GDF found out about the NYJ Saturday and called Jags to confirm it and Jags told him it was true. GDF was pissed he didn't know about it from Jags before finding out from the media. Which is understandable but still stupid to fire someone over it if you expect good coaches to line up and want to work for you.There's also a lot of talk in the media that Jags contract says he could not interview for 3 years. I'm hearing from some BC acquaintances that is false and there was only a verbal agreement. That's poor business by GDF, if true. GDF is acting as if BC is a top-level job that should attract a top coach to stay forever and ever. It isn't. There are few of those in college especially if you hire a guy from the NFL. Of course that guy probably wants to get back to the NFL one day especially if he's motivated to reach his coaching potential.

IMO I think you're totally missing the point on what BC thinks. I think BC totally understands it's a potential steppingstone school. It's big time enough that any coach that does well there is a prime candidate for a major job like the Jacksonville Jags (Coughlin) or a job with unlimited resources (i.e. NC State and O'Brien) but by no means is it a Ohio State or LSU. I don't think they have any illusions otherwise. Due to that I think they are doing everything in their power so that they don't get blatantly used (i.e. two years and out like Jags) and turn into a program that's constantly influx and unstable. I don't think it's a fluke that York and Skinner are long-timers (I understand hockey is different beceause BC is a legit power) as was O'Brien. From all appearances this is one of the main factors BC is using to pick a coach and to have a guy want to leave after two years would seem to totally go against what BC is striving for. So, while Jags can do what he wants it would be foolish for DeFillipo to entrust the most important program in the school to a guy who appears to be a short-timer.

Don't disagree with any of that if it's the philosophy BC and GDF want to work under. I'd question why they hired Jags in the first place though. Is there a link he definitely lied? I don't think we know the real story and may never know it.

1-I agree about the Jags hire although I have to believe the crux of this is he gave DeFillipo his word on not doing what he's doing. Jags was not the most popular choice with the alumni and I have to believe DeFillipo feels used since he gave him this opportunity. Ultimately he's responsible for this hire and he should incorporate more specific language into a contract if he wants to avoid another similar episode.2-There has to be more to this story. It got too big too fast. Living locally and like everyone else here having tons of BC ties I am hearing he was not being on the up and up. I've yet to hear anyone defend Jags...yet, I'm sure we'll know exactly what went on shortly. DeFillipo usually doesn't hold back and I don't expect him to here. He also doesn't have a track record of making abrupt decisions and while this is all breaking news my guess is there's more history to it.

 

[Obie Wan]

There's a lot of generalties going around here. If a coach is doing a lousy job (i.e. losing, violations or fan disinterest) than firing him isn't disloyal. If he's coming off of 10-2 seasons running a clean program and gets fired than that's being dislyoal. Like any other profession if you're not performing up to certain standards than you're probably going to get canned. The good news for coaches is you can absolutely suck or lie to your boss and still get the remainder of your contract. Sorry, but that's not disloyalty...that's a great benefit.As for BC I find it hard to believe that people have an issue with them. They have a coach openly looking for another job. That is not open for debate. Right now he's attempting to leave them for another opportunity that only benefits him and not the program. Obviously, this is par for the course in college football and no one should be surprised. Yet, not only is he looking to work elsewhere but he is doing it a manner (i.e. secretive and what looks like lying as well) where there's zero concern for his current program...after only two years on the job. There's nothing about this situation that benefits the BC program. So, with that going on his boss should just sit back and allow the program to be rudderless until Jags decides what's best for him? He should continue employing a coach who's actions have made it obvious he is not long for the job? Unless new facts surface I applaud Gene DeFillipo for his stand here. His job is to ensure a long-term quality program and it's become very apparent from this situation that having Jags as the HC will not help with that goal.

So the Buffalo AD is kind of a weeny for not canning Turner Gill, who is openly whoring himself around for a better job. Even though it would be stupid to can the guy instead of getting as much as you can from him. Not sure why BC would can a guy that has 2 ACC Championship Game appearances in 2 years. Even if you only get one more year out of him, that's better than nothing. Gives you a year to start looking for the best replacement too. If GDF wants to fire Jags, that's his right. But doing so because Jags did not inform him he was interviewing or because he's interviewing is poor business and isn't going to attract many good coaches to want to work for you.

if this is such a concern to BC, then they should have put it in the contract with a penatly severe enough to make the clause mean something.problem is that the only coaches who would agree to such terms are not the higher profile coaches that BC is trying to hire.We'll have to agree to disagree here. My guess is lying to your boss and not returning calls from him isn't something most ADs are looking for in a HC.

Link to him lying and not returning calls?Most sources are saying that GDF found out about the NYJ Saturday and called Jags to confirm it and Jags told him it was true. GDF was pissed he didn't know about it from Jags before finding out from the media. Which is understandable but still stupid to fire someone over it if you expect good coaches to line up and want to work for you.There's also a lot of talk in the media that Jags contract says he could not interview for 3 years. I'm hearing from some BC acquaintances that is false and there was only a verbal agreement. That's poor business by GDF, if true. GDF is acting as if BC is a top-level job that should attract a top coach to stay forever and ever. It isn't. There are few of those in college especially if you hire a guy from the NFL. Of course that guy probably wants to get back to the NFL one day especially if he's motivated to reach his coaching potential.

IMO I think you're totally missing the point on what BC thinks. I think BC totally understands it's a potential steppingstone school. It's big time enough that any coach that does well there is a prime candidate for a major job like the Jacksonville Jags (Coughlin) or a job with unlimited resources (i.e. NC State and O'Brien) but by no means is it a Ohio State or LSU. I don't think they have any illusions otherwise. Due to that I think they are doing everything in their power so that they don't get blatantly used (i.e. two years and out like Jags) and turn into a program that's constantly influx and unstable. I don't think it's a fluke that York and Skinner are long-timers (I understand hockey is different beceause BC is a legit power) as was O'Brien. From all appearances this is one of the main factors BC is using to pick a coach and to have a guy want to leave after two years would seem to totally go against what BC is striving for. So, while Jags can do what he wants it would be foolish for DeFillipo to entrust the most important program in the school to a guy who appears to be a short-timer.

 

[GreenNGold]

Time for the NFL to fire back. Schedule an NFL game during the same time slot as each BC game next season?

 

[meanjoegreen]

He was officially fired today.

 

[trader jake]

He was officially fired today.

You can say that again...he didn't even make it to the last preseason game. It came around even faster than many of his detractors, myself included, anticipated.Tampa fans should be pleased that the inevitable problem coach was shown the door early before he undermined Morris. I have no links to back up that last statement but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.