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Beanie Wells put on short-term IR (1 Viewer)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hello, Ryan - welcome to the 80% touches club.
lod01
Footballguy
Who is Williams backup?
lod01
Footballguy
Yeah. That's the guy.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Of course this couldnt wait until tomorrow!!!!!!
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Does anyone want to start the hype thread? Choo Choo!!!!
VaTerp
Footballguy
Williams looked pretty good this past Sunday.
towney
Footballguy
I agree.
lod01
Footballguy
Could be but Alphonso Smith is back in uniform as of yesterday. Larod is too damn small in the JockQuiz category.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
He has a tough matchup this week against Miami, but after that its a pretty nice stretch to their week 10 bye (with the exception of the San Fran week 8).
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
This was part of a post I did in another thread:One thing to note about R. Williams is his upcoming schedule:
Mia (#3 run D), @StL (21), Buf (14), @Min (12), SF (8), @GB (26), bye, @Atl (24), StL (21), @NYJ (28), @Sea (2), Det (11), Chi (6), SF (8)
So I count 5 games vs. top 10 run D, 2 vs. top 5, and 4 against those ranked in the 20s.
Four of his next 5 games aren't very easy. His schedule in the last 4 games of the season (3 if you don't count Wk 17) aren't too favorable, either. However, Weeks 9, 11, 12 and 13 look great though to finish off the fantasy regular season.
One more note: Williams was in on 35% of Arizona's week 3 snaps; Beanie was in on 23%, and Stephens-Howling 34%. Source: http://rosterwatch.com/?p=5178
So last week it was about a 3-way split.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
It doesn't really matter who the matchup is right now. Any RB looking at 15+ touches is extremely valuable, and they are likely in your starting lineup as a flex at worst unless you've been very lucky so far.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
I can't see him returning this year. He did nothing this offseason with his knee. Now the turf toe.
Chris Johnson?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Touche. Ryan Williams will be in my lineup over Johnson this week.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Touche. Ryan Williams will be in my lineup over Johnson this week.
(actually he was anyway)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I see a lot of games coming up that will be low scoring affairs in which I expect the Cards to control the flow and TOP. They have an OUTSTANDING defense.Boy do things change fast in the Not For Long league.
^^ This. When Beannie came out of the tunnel and into the players parking lot where we were, he looked a lame horse going to the glue factory- Really limping bad. Cards are confident in Ryan being the guy, but this Powell kid is one to watch. I know Kolb has been talking about him for awhile.
sure. talk to me when they give him 15+ touches.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I didn't see it, but based on the stat line it is clear Williams was the most effective of the 3. Beanie and Howling combined for 4 yards on 16 rushes, no catches. Williams was 13 for 83 and 1 catch for 12 yards. As appealing as Howlings -1.8 ypc average was this week, I have to think Williams is the one getting Beanie's carries this week.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
CJ's touches this year: 17, 11, 15.
Reepicheep
Footballguy
Wow. Brutal news for anyone who cut Williams after last week.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Given this news, I'm looking at Ryan Williams as basically a poor man's (albeit not that much poorer) TRich right now. This is the news that people that drafted RW were looking for.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Looks like I picked the right week to be picking near the top of the waiver wire
Ryan Williams will be good play on a surprise 3-0 team that can lean on him to keep them in close games.
Ryan Williams will be good play on a surprise 3-0 team that can lean on him to keep them in close games.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Not much poorer? Huh?
Indeed. This is the cost of constantly churning over your roster. I think it's generally a winning strategy, but it can burn you from time to time.
Shutout
Footballguy
This is good news for Ryan Williams owners, obviously, but I don't think it's a difference maker. The line is still bad, the RBs were not all that productive, and the majority of the yards Williams garnered last week came when the Eagles had been whipped and had quit.
I think where we are now was going to be about the same even if beanie hadn't been put on the shelf. Turf toe is a nasty animal for a RB. It's neutered Eddie George, DMAC, Best, and other RBs that were either more powerful or explosive. So this is the very best thing for Beanie. Yeah, it sucks for his owners but if you we're starting Beanie, you needed this mercy killing.
I honestly don't think this ends in a situation where williams becomes an automatic every week starter.
I think where we are now was going to be about the same even if beanie hadn't been put on the shelf. Turf toe is a nasty animal for a RB. It's neutered Eddie George, DMAC, Best, and other RBs that were either more powerful or explosive. So this is the very best thing for Beanie. Yeah, it sucks for his owners but if you we're starting Beanie, you needed this mercy killing.
I honestly don't think this ends in a situation where williams becomes an automatic every week starter.
Phenix
Footballguy
Wow do you understand fantasy football?When a guy goes from being #2 to #1 on the depth chart because of injury that is always a difference maker. Especially if that guy is someone the franchise wants to have the load as well.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Barry Sanders 1994 playoff game versus the Pack:13 - (-1) - 0, 3 - 4 - 0Yep, 3 total yards on 16 touches.'gradin123 said:
Shutout
Footballguy
I understand football AND reality and unlike some people, my blind "want" and biases don't influence what I type. I get it. I own Williams in a league. I would love nothing more than for him to be this year's demarco Murray. But the REALITY is, it is NOT always a difference maker to the degree that is being tossed around here. Yes, it is a difference. And I said it IS good news. But the facts are what they are. Opportunity to start is one thing. But unless something changed last night, the cardinals are still not a great run blocking team. In the real world, a RB 's success is very dependent on the o-line. If you have watched the games and not just the box scores, you KNOW that Williams isn't one starting gig away from stardom. He's been good, not great.'Phenix said:
As for the other part, your statement about the franchise "wanting" williams to have the load is false. The HC is very content with wells and much of Williams playing time at the moments he has played have been from necessity, not a desire to give Williams the load. What the lions did with leshoure is an example of a franchise wanting to give the ball to a player. What the cardinals did was a share based on need. Beanie has been fighting this injury for a few weeks. It's been obvious watching the games that he hasn't been right.
So, overall, my statement is simple. It's a good thing but temper your expectations.
"Good" is good enough to be a difference maker in FF, especially in leagues with 12+ teams. He had 83 yards on 13 carries, he easily has the talent to be a legit RB2. If I had him as my 3rd or 4th RB I'd be feeling really good.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Better than Larod. That is 0.18 yards per touch for Barry. Larod averaged -1.75 ypc. Atleaat Barry wasn't moving backwards at the rate Larod was.
Yeah exactly. Larod didn't have 8 carries for 14 yards, he had 8 carries for negative 14 yards. Thats hard to do.
Team ROFLCOPTERS
Footballguy
I'm going to see another week of Williams before setting him in my line up. I like the confidence he gained but I'd rather be a week late on a RB.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Thanks for sharing. For the newcomers who don't know, G-King is
Pretty sure he's Kevin Kolb himself. 
cstu
Footballguy
yoadrian
Footballguy
I have some reservations on him as well, but if you don't have another solid option, I'd start him
Rick James
Footballguy
Starting with confidence over here.I have some reservations on him as well, but if you don't have another solid option, I'd start him
Shutout
Footballguy
Maybe I have misunderstood then. Based on what was being said above, I didn't know hype trains were launched for a RB3 or RB4. Again, just saying temper the expectations. Even at 20 carries a game (if that is what it comes to), I just don't think that will translate into a every week "don't even have to think about it..just plug him in" type of fantasy RB.
I'm thinking of it this way: For most of us that have been watching these games in their entirety, the majority of people have said that Wells actually was the more effective back and that is even with taking into account this injury that he has tried to pay through until they put him on IR. Even last year, when Beanie had the gig all to himself, he wasn't a guy you just put into a lineup without thinking about it. So, given the state of the Cardinals (nothing against Williams or Beanie at all), I just don't see Williams coming in and being what people are saying (for those talking him up like he's just going to come in and be so great). I know its possible he could come in and look like ridley looked that first week. Sure. If the opponent is right and the talent is there and it all lines up, sure.
But he could also be a guy that people are clamoring about that ends up with a 14/57 stat line too. I would just be much more excited about this (again, I am a Williams owner in a league) if the team was very solid on offense, no o-line or QB issues, and they were having success on the ground prior to beanie being I.R.'d. Honestly, I would be more excited if this were happening and I owned the Baltimore RB backup..or the rams backup. I've just been watching the Cards and I don't think people are going to see this big morphing to where all of a sudden Ryan Williams is going to just make it all different for the Cards.
The way I see it, going into last year, Ryan Williams was the one everyone had their eyes on preseason until he got injured. He was the second best RB from the 2011 draft and dismissing him as worse than Beanie Wells before he really gets a chance to prove himself seems a little premature. This year, he is coming off a tough injury so starting slow shouldn't be a surprise. Finally, it is just three games into the season so it is far too early to jump to any conclusions. This guy has talent, opportunity, and has a defense to keep games close. There is reason to believe this guy has the potential to be good. I think calling an unproven an every week must start stud is ridiculous, but as for his upside, he could be a decent RB2 with RB1 upside if the matchup favors it. Beanie Wells had a few good games last year but lacked consistency so it isn't a stretch to think Williams can also get a 1000 yard, 10 TD season. This isn't bad for where Ryan Williams was drafted and if you can get him on your waiver. Powell or one of the other RBs may be good later but I doubt the cardinals would give up on their second round draft choice that easily without at least giving him a decent shot.
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