Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
I wasn't sold on Beanie, but needed an rb2 and he was available at 6:2 in a 12 teamer PPR. Is Hightower going to ruin Wells this year ? Give me thoughts on this situation.
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purestrength
Footballguy
I don't have anything profound to add, but I'm worried too.
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I had Wells last year, and Hightower gave me fits...This year, I drafted Hightower so I can be on the other side of those fits...I honestly don't think either one will be an every-week starter, but in our ppr league, you can at least justify some steady low-end numbers due to Hightower's rec's.
Koya
Footballguy
Worried? Sure. But if you drafted wells you had to expect some concern be it hightowers role, injury or the offense in general.
That said, wells has top 5 rb TALENT, IMO. That's the type of guy that COULD put together a huge season. While not likely, its getting that 2000 total yard 10-15 td surprise stud in the middle of a draft that wins championships and wells at least has that ability.
That said, I'm likely sitting him for spiller and he will rotate with spiller and portis until things settle in, to give so e context.
That said, wells has top 5 rb TALENT, IMO. That's the type of guy that COULD put together a huge season. While not likely, its getting that 2000 total yard 10-15 td surprise stud in the middle of a draft that wins championships and wells at least has that ability.
That said, I'm likely sitting him for spiller and he will rotate with spiller and portis until things settle in, to give so e context.
djjosee
Footballguy
At 6:2? Are you referring to the 6th round? ... ahhhh, you should be OK with that kind of value, assuming that you drafted 5 other players before hand.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
I just don't see Hightower having the type of role that he had in the past. Maybe at first he will, until it finally gets through the coaches head that Wells is a top 5-10 RB talent in the league, and that Hightower is a nice journeyman backup RB. Arizona will have to rely on the running game more than they have in the past and they will find out real quick which of the two backs they have on the roster is the better option.
Beanie is on my do not draft list for redrafts this year (I play all PPR leagues). Always going way too high for a cluster#@$% of an offense and Hightower taking third-down duties and possibly the GL. No thanks, unless I can have him in the 5th or something. In PPR Id take Addai, Forte and maybe even Moreno over him.
I agree 100% with this post--I'm rolling with him as my #3 RB in a 14 team dynasty league and fully expect him to have some monster games this year--he's the kind of guy that may be gold the second half of the year
babydemon90
Footballguy
I'm not sold hightower will get a ton of receptions with Anderson at QB....
Grahamburn
Footballguy
It's when you take him at 3.5 as your RB1 that you get worried.
Totally agree here. I still believe the Cardinals will come out and try to establish their running game with Beanie Wells when the games start to count. The thing that bothers me now is the "injury" to Beanie. If he's not practicing tomorrow I'm definitely going to start worrying.
There's been a lot of speculation surrounding the Cardinals in general this preseason with the Leinart/Anderson battle.
I think the coaches used the preseason to evaluate the QBs in game action in passing formations so Hightower/Wells weren't necessarily utilitized how they will be during the regular season, which would explain Hightower's usage during the preseason. Hightower "started" for the Cardinals at the end of 2009 as well, but when the team wanted to run the ball Wells was the guy getting carries. The team knows what they have at RB.
Anderson obviously has the stronger arm, which should translate well to the type of offensive approach Arizona will implement. A ball control, run oriented offense featuring Beanie Wells that likes to use some play action to get the ball deep down the field to Larry Fitzgerald. If Arizona wanted to dink and dunk the ball from the shotgun all game I think they would have been fine with Leinart accurately dumping it off to Hightower for 6 yards.
Anderson showed the willingness to get the ball to the second level, Leinart didn't, and he was released. This says alot about how the Cardinals are going to approach this season offensively.
I find it hard to believe that Arizona will count on Derek Anderson to win games for them. Chris Wells is clearly their best offensive weapon in the backfield. I expect they'll utilize him.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Why? Derek Anderson in his career year with CLE...CLE had 69 of the 305 completions to the backs. And none of them are of the receiving ability of Tim Hightower. Anderson had 298 of those 305 completions.IMO there is no reason to believe Hightower won't get 40+ receptions unless Wells becomes the bellcow of the AZ running game.babydemon90 said:
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Exactly. I just said it a little more long winded than this.babydemon90 said:
Childress
Footballguy
I'm worried Beanie won't play or won't be at his best for week one mainly because he needs to hit the ground running this year to earn more carries from hightower. A problem for Beanie owners which everyone is starting to understand is that Hightower is also a young, hungry RB who is working his ### off to become a better player every year just like Beanie. At this point I'm not sure who is the better RB
Beanie owner
Beanie owner
fightingillini
Footballguy
Grahamburn said:It's when you take him at 3.5 as your RB1 that you get worried.djjosee said:
Totally agree here. I still believe the Cardinals will come out and try to establish their running game with Beanie Wells when the games start to count. The thing that bothers me now is the "injury" to Beanie. If he's not practicing tomorrow I'm definitely going to start worrying.The Real Hipster Doofus said:
There's been a lot of speculation surrounding the Cardinals in general this preseason with the Leinart/Anderson battle.
I think the coaches used the preseason to evaluate the QBs in game action in passing formations so Hightower/Wells weren't necessarily utilitized how they will be during the regular season, which would explain Hightower's usage during the preseason. Hightower "started" for the Cardinals at the end of 2009 as well, but when the team wanted to run the ball Wells was the guy getting carries. The team knows what they have at RB.
Anderson obviously has the stronger arm, which should translate well to the type of offensive approach Arizona will implement. A ball control, run oriented offense featuring Beanie Wells that likes to use some play action to get the ball deep down the field to Larry Fitzgerald. If Arizona wanted to dink and dunk the ball from the shotgun all game I think they would have been fine with Leinart accurately dumping it off to Hightower for 6 yards.
Anderson showed the willingness to get the ball to the second level, Leinart didn't, and he was released. This says alot about how the Cardinals are going to approach this season offensively.
I find it hard to believe that Arizona will count on Derek Anderson to win games for them. Chris Wells is clearly their best offensive weapon in the backfield. I expect they'll utilize him.
Wells is clearly the more talented RB.....no one is arguing that. But for Wells owners, Hightower is not going to go away.IMO AZ is going to run the ball.....a lot.....a lot more than previous years.....Anderson can be a turnover machine. I can see Wells getting 240-250 carries with 20-30 receptions and Hightower getting 130-150 carries and 40 receptions. Hightower unfortunately prevents Wells from being a top 10 RB, as well as Wells not being able to stay healthy.
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
Hightower shouldn't worry you. The departure of Warner and Bolden should.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I disagree with this. The loss of those two players may hurt the offense as a whole, but I think it will give the running game (Beanie Wells in particular) a much better chance to be productive.Just take a look at some of the top RBs from last season and the passing numbers of the teams they played for.
shnikies
Footballguy
Plus, they still have Fitzgerald and you only need one threat on the outside to take pressure out of the box.
Hoart Petterson
Footballguy
I think you can look at certain stats/numbers and see whatever you want but going from a very solid passing attack to Derek Anderson certainly won't do any running back favors when it comes to production.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
All I'm saying is the loss of those two players should increase the production of Beanie Wells. The Cardinals only had 328 RB rushes in 2009. With Warner and Boldin gone that number should increase dramatically. An offensive change in philosophy to a run first attack should be expected here.
shnikies
Footballguy
Agreed. If they can run, they can run. It all depends on how they block up front and it won't matter what type of passing game they have, ie Jaguars, Titans (to some extent), Jets...
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Only 1 thing really matters here, just 1 thing.
That is Shonn Greene vs. the Ravens or Beanie vs. the Rams? NON PPR and the guy i'm going against is forced to start LT.
That is Shonn Greene vs. the Ravens or Beanie vs. the Rams? NON PPR and the guy i'm going against is forced to start LT.
Tim Hightower - RB - Cardinals
Tim Hightower will be the Cardinals' starting running back at St. Louis in the season opener.
Let's not overreact to his news. The roles are set in the Arizona backfield, and it doesn't matter which back plays the first snap. Beanie Wells will be the primary early-down back, but his fantasy value is kept in check by the presence of Hightower on passing downs and at times in the red zone.
Sep. 7 - 7:34 p.m. ET
Tim Hightower will be the Cardinals' starting running back at St. Louis in the season opener.
Let's not overreact to his news. The roles are set in the Arizona backfield, and it doesn't matter which back plays the first snap. Beanie Wells will be the primary early-down back, but his fantasy value is kept in check by the presence of Hightower on passing downs and at times in the red zone.
Sep. 7 - 7:34 p.m. ET
two_dollars
Footballguy
eh took a flier on him in the 9t as my rb4.. he has good talent, bad situation.. guess I just disliked him less than the other 9 in my league.
VaTerp
Footballguy
I'm not a Beanie guy at all. Never have been. Sure, he is talented but he always seemed to be nicked up at Ohio State and something about him makes it hard for me to have confidence in his sustained success. Plus I really wanted no part of the Cardinals offense this year.But in the 6th round he becomes a great pick. If you waited until then to secure your RB2 then you should be stacked elsewhere. Beanie certainly has the potential to perform as a high end RB2 even if I don't believe he will. And since you waited so long to take a 2nd RB you should have followed him up wtih some other mid round bargains. If Beanie went in the 6th, Im sure there was more RB value you should have snatched up in the subsequent rounds.
whodeywhodey
Footballguy
I'm worried about the entire Cardinal offense.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
It's a nice video if you're worried.Just trying to bring up morale in here for Wells owners. The Cardinals would be nuts to keep this guy under 250 carries this season. Again, Hightower was the "starter" in the second half of last season as well. Beanie will force his way into the bulk of the carries.2009 Highlights
Some of those runs are sick! The size, speed, power combination Chris Wells has is outstanding.
Dazed and Confused
Footballguy
Yeah, I did get good value in rds 1-5. 2 stud wr's (mega and fitz) plus finley, foster and nicks, then Wells. LT and Slaton are my only other rb's. I thought I liked my draft until I realized Wells might not be what I thought.I'm not a Beanie guy at all. Never have been. Sure, he is talented but he always seemed to be nicked up at Ohio State and something about him makes it hard for me to have confidence in his sustained success. Plus I really wanted no part of the Cardinals offense this year.But in the 6th round he becomes a great pick. If you waited until then to secure your RB2 then you should be stacked elsewhere. Beanie certainly has the potential to perform as a high end RB2 even if I don't believe he will. And since you waited so long to take a 2nd RB you should have followed him up wtih some other mid round bargains. If Beanie went in the 6th, Im sure there was more RB value you should have snatched up in the subsequent rounds.
