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Beanie Wells (1 Viewer)
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eakfootball
Footballguy
I'm going after him in my leagues
Cipherchris
Footballguy
Is Hightower the odd man out?
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
How could you possibly see that as a good thing for him?
Boom Switch
Footballguy
Reverse pshychology...
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Steelers4Life
Footballguy
If Beanie is healthy and plays like he's capable of playing, he has nothing to worry about. Every team needs two good runners, and Beanie's the superior talent when he's healthy.
If he's not healthy and doesn't perform, he wouldn't have been useful anyways, whether they drafted Williams or not.
Can't blame the Cards for drafting a good runner given Wells' injury plagued 2010, but a healthy Wells is still the best running back the Cardinals have.
If he's not healthy and doesn't perform, he wouldn't have been useful anyways, whether they drafted Williams or not.
Can't blame the Cards for drafting a good runner given Wells' injury plagued 2010, but a healthy Wells is still the best running back the Cardinals have.
Boom Switch
Footballguy
So they drafted Williams to motivate beanie?
Boom Switch
Footballguy
They wont have a running game until they get a qb. Will mcnabb or Bulger open up some running lanes? Doubtfull...
Blackjacks
Footballguy
First I will start saying I am a big Beannie fan and own him in many of my leagues.
This is my view of the situation: I heard Wisenhunt on Sirius Radio say he wanted players drafted for this team that were explosive........I'd say they have done that so far. He wanted talent, not filling in spots of need. He said that is what they can address in free agency. Beannie will still get his carries but Williams offers the explosiveness that wasn't there for the Cardinals last year. I do agree with an early poster, I think Hightower is the odd man out here. Wells also has 2 more years under contract, I could see them doing a 60-40 or 70-30 in Wells favor. If after this year you liek what you have in Williams then Beannie could be traded in the offseason.
The big thing for the Cardinals that is evident from this draft is they are definetly getting a vetern QB once FA or trading starts back up. Anyone will help the running situation compared to last year. I feel more and more confident that the Cardinals are going to get Kevin Kolb form the Eagles.
You put Kolb on this team with the weapons and the depth at the rb position and this team should look alot different from last year.
I really like Williams and if he can stay healthy I think the Cardinals made a very smart pick. Him and Beannie could be a very nice combo next year.
This is my view of the situation: I heard Wisenhunt on Sirius Radio say he wanted players drafted for this team that were explosive........I'd say they have done that so far. He wanted talent, not filling in spots of need. He said that is what they can address in free agency. Beannie will still get his carries but Williams offers the explosiveness that wasn't there for the Cardinals last year. I do agree with an early poster, I think Hightower is the odd man out here. Wells also has 2 more years under contract, I could see them doing a 60-40 or 70-30 in Wells favor. If after this year you liek what you have in Williams then Beannie could be traded in the offseason.
The big thing for the Cardinals that is evident from this draft is they are definetly getting a vetern QB once FA or trading starts back up. Anyone will help the running situation compared to last year. I feel more and more confident that the Cardinals are going to get Kevin Kolb form the Eagles.
You put Kolb on this team with the weapons and the depth at the rb position and this team should look alot different from last year.
I really like Williams and if he can stay healthy I think the Cardinals made a very smart pick. Him and Beannie could be a very nice combo next year.
msommer
Footballguy
These are wise words. Unfortunately I have Beanie
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
I have never been aWells believer and do not understand the love. He may have more value if he is moved to another team.
Ai was listening to Sirius when the Cards made the selection. What I found telling was Gill Brandt's comment that Wells just ins'tthe answer there.
Ai was listening to Sirius when the Cards made the selection. What I found telling was Gill Brandt's comment that Wells just ins'tthe answer there.
Cassius
Footballguy
Not what I said. No, I'm sure they didn't.So they drafted Williams to motivate beanie?
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Beanie is a bum and Arizona's front office knows it.
solid ballzy pick.
Beanie fades into obscurity.
solid ballzy pick.
Beanie fades into obscurity.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Or he pulls a Thomas Jones
renesauz
IBL Representative
Got a feeling Zona' already has their QB.........(No... don't mean on their roster. I'd bet $$$ Zona and Philly have already worked out a deal and are just waiting for the lockout to lift to confirm it. I also think Kolb will be a stud for y'all.)
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
So you're getting picked in Round 15 too?
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
you're gonna have to fight BSS for him....
footballsavvy
Footballguy
I dunno... DeAngelo waited until they drafted Stewart to go slap nuts off. You just never know what the future holds, unfortunately.
I get the feeling that Beanie's value is so damned low right now that it would be foolish not to take a chance on buying him. If he disappears forevermore you really haven't lost much.
I get the feeling that Beanie's value is so damned low right now that it would be foolish not to take a chance on buying him. If he disappears forevermore you really haven't lost much.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
You guys realize Beanie is only 22 years old right? He has plent of time to come around
johnadams
Footballguy
And the departure of the pedestrian but strangely well liked Foster. Plus, the problem with Beanie is his reluctance to play with injury. I don't care whan wiz says, Williams is going to supplant Beanie by midseason unless Beanie changes his injury tolerance. Wiz isn't one to suffer tin men lightly, nor is Fitz who is the heart and soul of that O.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
It's worth noting that Beanie's contract runs through 2013, but that final year is a team option year. Assuming we're operating under a cap in 2012, the cap hit in 2012 if they choose to get rid of him is pretty small. If he again doesn't perform in 2011 up to expectations he could be gone after this year and R Williams could be the primary guy in 2012.
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golfguy
Footballguy
yes, cause ryan williams really played through injuries last year.
williams is so overyhped and the cards bought it. another product of VTs offense. wells as noted is only 22. he will come around and people seem to forget how he looked at the end of his rookie season. he battled through an injury all season last year.
gianmarco
Footballguy
yes, cause ryan williams really played through injuries last year.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I've always thought the best thing for beanie would be a different team because arizonas line is awful, I heard Arizona has 1 olineman under contract, they don't seem to be trying to upgrade their line anyway.
The Lions drafted Mikel Leshoure in the 2nd round, get rid of J.Best while you still can!!!!
Demarco Murray to the 'Boys in round 3, guess the 3 already there are no longer any good.
HOLY CRUD!!!! The Pats just took Stevan Ridley in the 3rd, already Shane Vereen is a bust who can't play, what a wasted 2nd round pick.
Ummm, wanting more than 1 good RB is the norm in todays NFL guys. Some type of rotation is widespread throughout the league. Heck, most teams want 3 or 4 if they can.
Demarco Murray to the 'Boys in round 3, guess the 3 already there are no longer any good.
HOLY CRUD!!!! The Pats just took Stevan Ridley in the 3rd, already Shane Vereen is a bust who can't play, what a wasted 2nd round pick.
Ummm, wanting more than 1 good RB is the norm in todays NFL guys. Some type of rotation is widespread throughout the league. Heck, most teams want 3 or 4 if they can.
Teams don't need a RB at all. Just ask Green Bay...
Football Critic
Footballguy
Not to hijack....but...Why is everyone still on Kolbs jock?
What has he done, besides get hurt and lose his job and not earn it back from a guy who was in prison for 2 years?Not a knock on Vick at all, as he has played well (Still drafted higher then he should be in fantasy leagues), but its more of a Knock on a guy who really has not impressed much. 60% Complection pct., Shaun Hill and Chad Henne had a 61 and 60 respectivly this past year, heck Smith had 59. Kolb has 11 TDs to 14 picks in his career, and he takes sacks, as he is not very well at getting rid of the ball. Just a few knocks, but never been a fan. Lots of people love media hype I guess, as he has not done it on the field.
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beerbarron
Footballguy
Fans and FF players who follow the Ohio State program have warned us that he is injury prone or 'soft' for years..
He is only 22, has great measurabless, and his FF path seems to follow that of Dmac.. without the breakout..yet.. I would and have been trying to buy low from a frustrated beanie owner but from trying over the past year.. they all seem to hold onto his 'ghost value' as a solid RB1..
He is only 22, has great measurabless, and his FF path seems to follow that of Dmac.. without the breakout..yet.. I would and have been trying to buy low from a frustrated beanie owner but from trying over the past year.. they all seem to hold onto his 'ghost value' as a solid RB1..
Boom Switch
Footballguy
I traded Beanie away in the 2 dynasty leagues i had him a couple months ago.Traded:AJ/beanie/hightower/2.3 rookie pickforGreg Jennings/Stevie Johnson/Deangelo WilliamsAnother leaguePeyton hillis/beanie/hightwowerfor1.1 rookie pickVery glad i cut ties with this guy, couldnt go through another year of the frustration....
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Was never a fan of his. This selection make it apparent that Wells will never live up to his pick in the NFLor most rookie drafts. Not quite Ben Tate but close.
meroj
Footballguy
My goodness, 22 years old. Yes, he has been a bust so far, but it has been two seasons. Give it some more time. I don't see any point in moving him unless you get a really good deal, otherwise people are just gonna offer garbage. There are a lot of early round bust running backs, but with someone this young I would just say sit back and wait to see how it plays out. A couple names that come to mind: Dmac, was thrown to the wolves after year 2. Deangelo williams. Very similar situation, disappointing first 2 years and then they drafted Jstew to everyones surprise and deangelo went off that year. Another good example, Thomas Jones, drafted 7th overall by Arizona, busted for 3-4 years before the switch flipped. Dare I say even Ced Benson? Anyway, you can find examples on both sides of this argument. I Just wouldnt go and say that someone will never live up to their hype or that they have no talent because they havent produced. It may take some time with beanie, or the light may never go on. Time will tell.
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UnknownCoach
Footballguy
Darren McFadden
Rashard Mendenhall
Deangelo Williams
Cedric Bensen
Larry Johnson
Those are just a few recent high profile names but I could make a list of probably 30 simuliar instances where fantasy idiots gave up on a top notch young RB. Guys who became super studs like Shaun Alexander and Priest Holmes.
Wells will be just fine. Guys like Beanie and Donald Brown are guys to go after in dynasty leagues right now. Just like McFadden and Mendenhall were not long ago.
Rashard Mendenhall
Deangelo Williams
Cedric Bensen
Larry Johnson
Those are just a few recent high profile names but I could make a list of probably 30 simuliar instances where fantasy idiots gave up on a top notch young RB. Guys who became super studs like Shaun Alexander and Priest Holmes.
Wells will be just fine. Guys like Beanie and Donald Brown are guys to go after in dynasty leagues right now. Just like McFadden and Mendenhall were not long ago.
Keep in mind that coach whiz made it clear that he will not tolerate fumbling and both hightower and wells had this problem. They used 4 running backs last season. When wells gets hurt they turn to jason wright, thats very bad. Larod stephens-howling is to small to hold up and his value is on special teams. Hightowers contact is expiring and I doubt they resign him. wells cannot pass block to save his life and coach had made it clear if he doesn't learn he will not see time. Wells had been very slow to learn and doesn't seem interested. The williams pick was a very good one and contrary to popular belief was a position of need.he will see alot of playing time if he shows the ability to pass block and will be very valuable.
plastik
Footballguy
Wells just got dealt in a 12 team, .5 ppr, 22 man roster dynasty league I'm in. Here's the deal:
Team A gives Wells
Team B gives 2.06, 2.10, and a 2012 3rd (probably in the 3.09-3.12 range)
Seems to me big-time "selling low", and I'm not much of a Beanie fan. The guy who dealt Wells, took Taiwan Jones at 2.06.
Team A gives Wells
Team B gives 2.06, 2.10, and a 2012 3rd (probably in the 3.09-3.12 range)
Seems to me big-time "selling low", and I'm not much of a Beanie fan. The guy who dealt Wells, took Taiwan Jones at 2.06.
I offered to 2.4 for Wells last week and got rejected. I offered the same guy Dwayne Bowe and the 1.12 at this point last year for Wells....thankfully he rejected that too.
Im still trying to get him though.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
wow, what a difference a year makes... amazing...good thing you didnt make that trade lolI offered to 2.4 for Wells last week and got rejected. I offered the same guy Dwayne Bowe and the 1.12 at this point last year for Wells....thankfully he rejected that too.
Im still trying to get him though.
beerbarron
Footballguy
I would still try to trade for Beanie in hopes that he pulls a Dmac or Deangelo.. but would not touch Damnit Donald with a 3rd round pick.. Donald had FF bust written on the back of his jersey in college... imho
Shutout
Footballguy
I've never liked Wells but I DO follow the cardinals and after really kicking this around, my take is:
Wells had a nagging injury all year last year so I don't think we have seen what he can do. however, he did show some potential at times. But he also fumbled a bit and I know WHIZ doesn't like that AT ALL.
The Cardinals were a mess last year and I'm not sure a legit, known back would have faired well consistently on that team last year.
I've seen a good number of backs that everyone assumed were done when the hot new name got drafted, only to see that rekindle the incumbant.
From what I've heard, Ryan williams is generally overvalued. People were not nearly as high on him prior to the draft. I know, opportunity is a big part of the equation, but the opportunity here is not the same as in Miami...a lot of it is assumed. For all we know, the cards don't just say Williams is the starter. In general, I kind of live by the rule that if I didn't like them a lot before, i don't like them a lot now unless they are clearly being handed an opportunity.
the BIG thing I keep going back to is remembering how the Cards passed on Adrian Peterson when they had a "need" on the o-line. That decision, I really think, haunts the Cards. So it doesn't surprise me to think that they perhaps over compensated this time around.
At his age and talent, and perhaps with a bit more fire in the belly now, I just kind of go with the gut feeling that maybe Wells becomes much more valuable this year than what people are writing him off as. I'm not saying he is the version of DMAC this year but I can definitely see him as being a guy that people start more weeks than not. Even if he gets pushed down the totem pole; he is only going as far as #2 and at his size, etc, in FF at least, I like him as a guy that gets goal line work and, if the Cards can be IN games this year, a guy that can get some late game yardage, etc.
Wells had a nagging injury all year last year so I don't think we have seen what he can do. however, he did show some potential at times. But he also fumbled a bit and I know WHIZ doesn't like that AT ALL.
The Cardinals were a mess last year and I'm not sure a legit, known back would have faired well consistently on that team last year.
I've seen a good number of backs that everyone assumed were done when the hot new name got drafted, only to see that rekindle the incumbant.
From what I've heard, Ryan williams is generally overvalued. People were not nearly as high on him prior to the draft. I know, opportunity is a big part of the equation, but the opportunity here is not the same as in Miami...a lot of it is assumed. For all we know, the cards don't just say Williams is the starter. In general, I kind of live by the rule that if I didn't like them a lot before, i don't like them a lot now unless they are clearly being handed an opportunity.
the BIG thing I keep going back to is remembering how the Cards passed on Adrian Peterson when they had a "need" on the o-line. That decision, I really think, haunts the Cards. So it doesn't surprise me to think that they perhaps over compensated this time around.
At his age and talent, and perhaps with a bit more fire in the belly now, I just kind of go with the gut feeling that maybe Wells becomes much more valuable this year than what people are writing him off as. I'm not saying he is the version of DMAC this year but I can definitely see him as being a guy that people start more weeks than not. Even if he gets pushed down the totem pole; he is only going as far as #2 and at his size, etc, in FF at least, I like him as a guy that gets goal line work and, if the Cards can be IN games this year, a guy that can get some late game yardage, etc.
guderian
Footballguy
Good analysis. The one part I don't get is the 'fumble' tag. Beanie fumble twice in his second game as a rookie, but has only fumbled 3 times since then and only twice in his last 250ish caries. He only fumbled once last year, yet I keep hearing him labeled as a fumbler. It seems that the key to playing Arizona running backs is to snag them when they're run out of town. Garrison Hearst, Thomas Jones, Beanie Wells???'Shutout said:
gianmarco
Footballguy
Beanie has 0 fumbles lost in 2010. Only 2 in 2009. I don't get the label either.
plastik
Footballguy
I feel like people toss the issue of fumbling out there because in recent comments Whiz has complained of fumbling as being a problem in general, though such comments are surely directed towards Hightower, who has lost eight fumbles in the past two years.
Shutout
Footballguy
I'd say you are dead on in general on that (Hightower) but also WHIZ refers to balls that are dropped and NOT lost. He has said during interviews that even if they don't commit the turnover, (just an example here) if you drop the ball on 3rd and 3 and fall on it, it still kills the drive.
gianmarco
Footballguy
He dropped one ball all year
