Bears Fans: Several Polls (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

With the Bears alone atop the NFC North division standings, I realized that Bears fans may be in a bit of an emotional conflict. If the Bears make the playoffs, I think the McCaskey family would have a hard time justifying letting Lovie and his staff go. So what would you prefer? Would you rather see your beloved Bears lose out and miss the playoffs and have someone else coach the Bears next year, or would you rather have them make the playoffs and keep Lovie next year. Persoanlly I am not sure which I prefer. I always want to see them make the playoffs but I think it would be nice to see Cowher or Singletary here next year.

I also added a few more questions to guage the feelings of Bears fans.

This should be interesting.

 

[TheWalkmen]

So you want your 4-1 team to miss the playoffs and then hire an 0-5 Singeltary?

 

[Max Power]

I think this team will make the playoffs this year, and I dont hate Lovie as the coach. However, I'm all for replacing him with a coach like Cowher.

JA needs to go. Too many terrible drafts / trades to keep his job. I fully believe the reason we got smoked by NYG was due to his terrible drafting.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I think this team will make the playoffs this year, and I dont hate Lovie as the coach. However, I'm all for replacing him with a coach like Cowher.

JA needs to go. Too many terrible drafts / trades to keep his job. I fully believe the reason we got smoked by NYG was due to his terrible drafting.

Coaches have to develop the talent....it isn't a one way street.

 

[Max Power]

I think this team will make the playoffs this year, and I dont hate Lovie as the coach. However, I'm all for replacing him with a coach like Cowher.

JA needs to go. Too many terrible drafts / trades to keep his job. I fully believe the reason we got smoked by NYG was due to his terrible drafting.

Coaches have to develop the talent....it isn't a one way street.

Lets look at JA's last 8 drafts...2010

3.11 DB Major Wright Florida

4.11 DL Corey Wootton Northwestern

5.10 DB Joshua Moore Kansas State

6.12 QB Dan LeFevour Central Michigan

7.11 OL J'Marcus Webb West Texas A&M

2009

3.04 DL Jarron Gilbert San Jose State from SEA

3.35 WR Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma compensatory pick

4.05 DL Henry Melton Texas from SEA

4.19 DB D.J. Moore Vanderbilt

5.04 WR Johnny Knox Abilene Christian from SEA through DEN

5.18 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State

6.17 DB Al Afalava Oregon State

7.37 OL Lance Louis San Diego State compensatory pick

7.42 WR Derek Kinder Pittsburgh compensatory pick

2008

1.14 OL Chris Williams Vanderbilt

2.13 RB Matt Forte Tulane

3.07 WR Earl Bennett Vanderbilt from SF

3.27 DL Marcus Harrison Arkansas from SD

4.21 DB Craig Steltz Louisiana State from TB

5.07 DB Zackary Bowman Nebraska from CAR

5.23 TE Kellen Davis Michigan State from SEA through JAC and TB

7.01 DL Ervin Baldwin Michigan State from MIA

7.15 OL Chester Adams Georgia

7.36 LB Joey LaRocque Oregon State compensatory pick

7.40 OL Kirk Barton Ohio State compensatory pick

7.41 WR Marcus Monk Arkansas compensatory pick

2007

1.31 TE Greg Olsen Miami

2.30 DL Dan Bazuin Central Michigan from SD

3.29 RB Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois from SD

3.30 LB Michael Okwo Stanford

4.31 OL Josh Beekman Boston College

5.30 DB Kevin Payne Louisiana-Monroe from SD

5.31 DB Corey Graham New Hampshire

7.11 DB Trumaine McBride Mississippi from SF through CLE

7.31 OL Aaron Brant Iowa State

2006

2.10 DB Danieal Manning Abilene Christian from BUF; trade 2006 1.26, also received 3.09

2.25 WR Devin Hester Miami

3.09 DL Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma from BUF; trade 2006 1.26, also received 2.10

4.23 LB Jamar Williams Arizona State

5.26 DL Mark Anderson Alabama

6.26 RB J.D. Runnels Oklahoma

6.31 OL Tyler Reed Penn State from SEA

2005

1.04 RB Cedric Benson Texas

2.07 WR Mark Bradley Oklahoma

4.05 QB Kyle Orton Purdue

5.04 WR Airese Currie Clemson

6.07 DB Chris Harris Louisiana-Monroe

7.06 DB Rodrigues Wilson

2004

1.14 DL Tommie Harris Oklahoma

2.15 DL Tank Johnson Washington

3.15 WR Bernard Berrian Fresno State

4.14 DB Nathan Vasher Texas

4.16 LB Leon Joe Maryland from SF; trade draft picks

5.15 DL Claude Harriott Pittsburgh from SF; trade draft picks

5.16 QB Craig Krenzel Ohio State

7.14 DB Alfonso Marshall Miami

2003

1.14 DL Michael Haynes Penn State from NE; trade draft pick 2003 1.13 plus rec'd 2003 6.20 (was from BUF; trade QB Drew Bledsoe (2002))

1.22 QB Rex Grossman Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 4.19

2.03 DB Charles Tillman Louisiana-Lafayette

3.04 LB Lance Briggs Arizona

4.03 DB Todd Johnson Florida

4.19 DL Ian Scott Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 1.22

5.04 WR Bobby Wade Arizona

5.08 WR Justin Gage Missouri from JAC; trade draft picks

5.36 DL Tron LaFavor Florida compensatory pick

6.18 LB Joe Odom Purdue from MIA; trade QB Cade McNown (2001)

6.33 RB Brock Forsey Boise State compensatory pick

7.47 WR Bryan Anderson Central Michigan compensatory pick

Sine 2003, Angelo has drafted a total of 8 OL men. with ONLY 2 of them being taken before round 6. Hell, 5 of them were 7th round selections. Its hard to fault the coaches for not being able to put together a capable line from that...

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

I would enjoy seeing Cowher take over a team like the Bears

 

[The Tick]

Some tough questions, but as there are no promises of anyone getting cut if the playoffs aren't made I say WIN.

As far as coaching next year, first of all, I don't want Singletary anywhere near the Bears. His antics in SF, while at first looked like hard nose discipline, pretty much look stupid now, and i think he's a lot of the problem on that team. The rest of my choices would really depend on the rest of this year, if Martz has this offense clicking, i'd like to find a way to keep him around, will he stay as an OC, would we have to promote him, I don't know, but if the offense works, getting rid of Martz just starts the team over and could kill you for next year. Don't really want the DC to become head coach at all, or Tice, they do their jobs well, but would be replaceable.

I guess my perfect coaching situation would be offense starts to work under Martz, bring in a defensive minded head coach who is REALLY, not just forced to be, happy with Martz running the offense, then he can revamp the D staff. Cower could be exciting, but do we have the defensive personal to run his scheme without having to almost start over? I think we'd have to find someone who wants to at least run a 4-3 regardless of cover 2 or whatever base scheme they want to use.

 

[3nOut]

Some tough questions, but as there are no promises of anyone getting cut if the playoffs aren't made I say WIN.As far as coaching next year, first of all, I don't want Singletary anywhere near the Bears. His antics in SF, while at first looked like hard nose discipline, pretty much look stupid now, and i think he's a lot of the problem on that team. The rest of my choices would really depend on the rest of this year, if Martz has this offense clicking, i'd like to find a way to keep him around, will he stay as an OC, would we have to promote him, I don't know, but if the offense works, getting rid of Martz just starts the team over and could kill you for next year. Don't really want the DC to become head coach at all, or Tice, they do their jobs well, but would be replaceable.I guess my perfect coaching situation would be offense starts to work under Martz, bring in a defensive minded head coach who is REALLY, not just forced to be, happy with Martz running the offense, then he can revamp the D staff. Cower could be exciting, but do we have the defensive personal to run his scheme without having to almost start over? I think we'd have to find someone who wants to at least run a 4-3 regardless of cover 2 or whatever base scheme they want to use.

Do you think someone like Cowher would put up with all the turnovers a Mike Martz offense produces?

 

[RBM]

At this point its impossible for me to hope they lose out. Before the season I just assumed they would play poorly and miss the playoffs and Lovie and Angelo would be gone, but now, impossible to root against winning every game.

But no matter what happens with this record, Angelo needs to go more than Lovie. The way he has left this o-line in shambles, just disgraceful and any dope off the street would know better.

I would love to see Singletary coaching the Bears, but I think I would like Jim Harbaugh even more

 

[RBM]

Lets look at JA's last 8 drafts...2009 3.04 DL Jarron Gilbert San Jose State from SEA 3.35 WR Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma compensatory pick 2007 2.30 DL Dan Bazuin Central Michigan from SD 3.29 RB Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois from SD 3.30 LB Michael Okwo Stanford 4.31 OL Josh Beekman Boston College 2006 3.09 DL Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma from BUF; trade 2006 1.26, also received 2.10 4.23 LB Jamar Williams Arizona State 2005 1.04 RB Cedric Benson Texas 2.07 WR Mark Bradley Oklahoma 4.05 QB Kyle Orton Purdue 2004 2.15 DL Tank Johnson Washington 3.15 WR Bernard Berrian Fresno State 4.14 DB Nathan Vasher Texas 4.16 LB Leon Joe Maryland from SF; trade draft picks 2003 1.14 DL Michael Haynes Penn State from NE; trade draft pick 2003 1.13 plus rec'd 2003 6.20 1.22 QB Rex Grossman Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 4.19 4.03 DB Todd Johnson Florida 4.19 DL Ian Scott Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 1.22

I just went by first 4 rounds. Those are rounds where big time teams just stock up on talent. LOOK at all the guys that contributed NOTHING, and are not on the team anymore. What a disgrace....HOW DOES THIS GUY KEEP HIS FRIGGIN JOB????

 

[POTA]

Steelers fan, but a long time resident of Bears country. I'm a little flummoxed by the prevailing consensus that fans would rather see the Bears tank the next 3/4 the season just to see Lovie Smith and/or Angelo go.

Personally, I don't think it's a given that a playoff appearance will save jobs in Chicago.

 

[BigA]

Id like to see a playoff run but I do not want Angelo or smith back.

 

[Whoosah]

This is currently the predicament in Bears nation. The Catch-22:

Do well and make it in the playoffs only to see Angelo and Smith back, suck during the season and watch bad football and see Angelo and Smith out the door. I honestly get pissed and annoyed at those who want to see the Bears suck just to see the coaching staff go.

To those people who think that, if you knew for a fact the Bears are going to win a super bowl, but the cost is that angelo and lovie will be with the bears through the course of their current contracts (4-5 more years), wouldn't you think it would be worth it to see them hoist that world championship trophy? Now I am not saying that this is the case, but if a team is in playoff contention, why wish ill will on your own team!?

Personally, I want the Bears to go the playoffs and beyond no matter what even if that means bringing back Lovie and Angelo. Ideally, I want us to go as deep into the off season, only to lose in a respectable manner, and then McCaskey will give the boot to both Jerry and Lovie and to bring in Bill Cowher. With Cowher, he will bring his own coaching staff. I am not sure who would be a good GM, but I can say that a majority of people would love to see Cowher coaching the Bears.

 

[gigantor]

playoffs

angelo and lovie gone

cowher coach

the thing that worries me is probably yet another OC for Cutler. Can't keep doing that over and over

 

[DoGdr]

I think until the lock out is resolved we will not see a new coach named, particularly on as expensive as Cowher would be. I do not necessarily think Cowher would change the defense to a 3/4. He is was a special teams coach not a DC be for being a head coach. As a Head coach, he was a guy who had good assistants and let them do there thing with in the priorities he sets.

We have a pretty talented staff right now but I can't figure we keep any of them with a coaching change. Martz certainly wants to be a head coach again. Marrinelli is a friend of Lovies. Tice might stay I guess.

The shame is really one part of the team, the offensive line may doom the whole team this year. As I looked at the roster this summer my thought was man it lookes like spare parts but I was hopeful that Tice could coach them up. It seems to me that has to fall on Angelos for not getting the tallent there. They have looked terrible the games I have watched this year. Martz has to game plan around that, which he is loath to do since is system is based general on 5 men out.

My hope is Tice and Martz figgure out a way to get the OL workable. They win the division and hopefully win a playoff game. This would be enough to keep the staff together for another year. And the Angelos has the sudden urge to spend more time, with family, at the beach, doing charity work, on his golf game or getting to know God and we get a Gm that can actually assemble a team.

 

[CaptainHook]

Lets look at JA's last 8 drafts...2009 3.04 DL Jarron Gilbert San Jose State from SEA 3.35 WR Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma compensatory pick 2007 2.30 DL Dan Bazuin Central Michigan from SD 3.29 RB Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois from SD 3.30 LB Michael Okwo Stanford 4.31 OL Josh Beekman Boston College 2006 3.09 DL Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma from BUF; trade 2006 1.26, also received 2.10 4.23 LB Jamar Williams Arizona State 2005 1.04 RB Cedric Benson Texas 2.07 WR Mark Bradley Oklahoma 4.05 QB Kyle Orton Purdue 2004 2.15 DL Tank Johnson Washington 3.15 WR Bernard Berrian Fresno State 4.14 DB Nathan Vasher Texas 4.16 LB Leon Joe Maryland from SF; trade draft picks 2003 1.14 DL Michael Haynes Penn State from NE; trade draft pick 2003 1.13 plus rec'd 2003 6.20 1.22 QB Rex Grossman Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 4.19 4.03 DB Todd Johnson Florida 4.19 DL Ian Scott Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 1.22

I just went by first 4 rounds. Those are rounds where big time teams just stock up on talent. LOOK at all the guys that contributed NOTHING, and are not on the team anymore. What a disgrace....HOW DOES THIS GUY KEEP HIS FRIGGIN JOB????

Cheer up. every teams draft history looks like this. on the other hand only drafting 2 o-lineman in rounds 1-5...that seems like a very legitimate gripe.

 

[switz]

Since 2003, Angelo has drafted a total of 8 OL men. with ONLY 2 of them being taken before round 6. Hell, 5 of them were 7th round selections. Its hard to fault the coaches for not being able to put together a capable line from that...

Actually, lots of excellent OL get drafted late. It's really only franchise type left tackles that should get drafted early. OL is one of the easiest positions to develop.

 

[switz]

Lets look at JA's last 8 drafts...

2009

3.04 DL Jarron Gilbert San Jose State from SEA

3.35 WR Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma compensatory pick

2007

2.30 DL Dan Bazuin Central Michigan from SD

3.29 RB Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois from SD

3.30 LB Michael Okwo Stanford

4.31 OL Josh Beekman Boston College

2006

3.09 DL Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma from BUF; trade 2006 1.26, also received 2.10

4.23 LB Jamar Williams Arizona State

2005

1.04 RB Cedric Benson Texas

2.07 WR Mark Bradley Oklahoma

4.05 QB Kyle Orton Purdue

2004

2.15 DL Tank Johnson Washington

3.15 WR Bernard Berrian Fresno State

4.14 DB Nathan Vasher Texas

4.16 LB Leon Joe Maryland from SF; trade draft picks

2003

1.14 DL Michael Haynes Penn State from NE; trade draft pick 2003 1.13 plus rec'd 2003 6.20

1.22 QB Rex Grossman Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 4.19

4.03 DB Todd Johnson Florida

4.19 DL Ian Scott Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 1.22

I just went by first 4 rounds. Those are rounds where big time teams just stock up on talent. LOOK at all the guys that contributed NOTHING, and are not on the team anymore. What a disgrace....HOW DOES THIS GUY KEEP HIS FRIGGIN JOB????

I just bolded the guys that have shown flashes of talent, or eventually left the team and developed better elsewhere. There's a lot to be said about the Bears not developing their talent, as much as not drafting it. There are some good players on that list, they just have done better away from the Bears than when they were with the Bears.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Lets look at JA's last 8 drafts...

2009

3.04 DL Jarron Gilbert San Jose State from SEA

3.35 WR Juaquin Iglesias Oklahoma compensatory pick

2007

2.30 DL Dan Bazuin Central Michigan from SD

3.29 RB Garrett Wolfe Northern Illinois from SD

3.30 LB Michael Okwo Stanford

4.31 OL Josh Beekman Boston College

2006

3.09 DL Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma from BUF; trade 2006 1.26, also received 2.10

4.23 LB Jamar Williams Arizona State

2005

1.04 RB Cedric Benson Texas

2.07 WR Mark Bradley Oklahoma

4.05 QB Kyle Orton Purdue

2004

2.15 DL Tank Johnson Washington

3.15 WR Bernard Berrian Fresno State

4.14 DB Nathan Vasher Texas

4.16 LB Leon Joe Maryland from SF; trade draft picks

2003

1.14 DL Michael Haynes Penn State from NE; trade draft pick 2003 1.13 plus rec'd 2003 6.20

1.22 QB Rex Grossman Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 4.19

4.03 DB Todd Johnson Florida

4.19 DL Ian Scott Florida from NYJ; trade draft pick 2003 1.04 plus rec'd 2003 1.13 and 1.22

I just went by first 4 rounds. Those are rounds where big time teams just stock up on talent. LOOK at all the guys that contributed NOTHING, and are not on the team anymore. What a disgrace....HOW DOES THIS GUY KEEP HIS FRIGGIN JOB????

I just bolded the guys that have shown flashes of talent, or eventually left the team and developed better elsewhere. There's a lot to be said about the Bears not developing their talent, as much as not drafting it. There are some good players on that list, they just have done better away from the Bears than when they were with the Bears.

I agree completely, that is the sign of coaching. The GM can only draft players that have potential, fit the scheme, personality/background, etc. The coaches have to then mold that player into production on the field.

It is the same concept with College football. Many programs recruit athletes....only to mold them into football players.

 

[The Tick]

Some tough questions, but as there are no promises of anyone getting cut if the playoffs aren't made I say WIN.As far as coaching next year, first of all, I don't want Singletary anywhere near the Bears. His antics in SF, while at first looked like hard nose discipline, pretty much look stupid now, and i think he's a lot of the problem on that team. The rest of my choices would really depend on the rest of this year, if Martz has this offense clicking, i'd like to find a way to keep him around, will he stay as an OC, would we have to promote him, I don't know, but if the offense works, getting rid of Martz just starts the team over and could kill you for next year. Don't really want the DC to become head coach at all, or Tice, they do their jobs well, but would be replaceable.I guess my perfect coaching situation would be offense starts to work under Martz, bring in a defensive minded head coach who is REALLY, not just forced to be, happy with Martz running the offense, then he can revamp the D staff. Cower could be exciting, but do we have the defensive personal to run his scheme without having to almost start over? I think we'd have to find someone who wants to at least run a 4-3 regardless of cover 2 or whatever base scheme they want to use.

Do you think someone like Cowher would put up with all the turnovers a Mike Martz offense produces?

Really doubt it. I don't think those two would fit, and even if it meant we don't get Cower, if the offense actually looks good at the end of the year, i'd rather keep martz as OC, then get Cowher as a head coach.

 

[The Tick]

Steelers fan, but a long time resident of Bears country. I'm a little flummoxed by the prevailing consensus that fans would rather see the Bears tank the next 3/4 the season just to see Lovie Smith and/or Angelo go. Personally, I don't think it's a given that a playoff appearance will save jobs in Chicago.

Oh, I really think a playoff appearance saves all jobs in Chicago. If they wanted them gone, they would have canned them last year. They don't want them gone. Any success we have this year means the whole gang is back next year.Actually, with the start we've had, and how honestly ugly the end of the schedule looks, barring a completely 0-8 run, I think a 9-7 finish missing playoffs will bring out the, "seen lots of progress", "tough second half schedual", "really had a good season", and we STILL see the whole gang back in town.

 

[3nOut]

Interesting that Singletary did not get even one vote. Also curious to know who the two "other" candidates are.

 

[POTA]

Personally, I don't think it's a given that a playoff appearance will save jobs in Chicago.

Oh, I really think a playoff appearance saves all jobs in Chicago. If they wanted them gone, they would have canned them last year. They don't want them gone. Any success we have this year means the whole gang is back next year.Actually, with the start we've had, and how honestly ugly the end of the schedule looks, barring a completely 0-8 run, I think a 9-7 finish missing playoffs will bring out the, "seen lots of progress", "tough second half schedual", "really had a good season", and we STILL see the whole gang back in town.

I can't dispute that it's a likely scenario. I just don't think it's a 100% guarantee that everyone keeps their jobs in 2011 with a 2010 playoff spot. I think it's highly -likely- that everyone keeps their jobs in 2011 with a 2010 playoff run but I don't think it's writ in stone.Coincidentally, I heard a compelling scenario last night on local sports radio under which the Bears opt for keeping Smith + Angelo. If the Bears fire one or both, they'll be paying two coaches and/or two GMs. Whether or not the Bears are "too cheap" to pay two coaches and/or two GMs during a normal year is debatable. But in the event of a lockout, they'll be paying two coaches and/or two GMs to NOT coach and/or GM, and that's something I think a lot of bad teams with coaches / GMs on the hot seat are going to be weighing (not just the Bears).

 

[RBM]

Interesting that Singletary did not get even one vote. Also curious to know who the two "other" candidates are.

Jim Harbaugh from me

 

[RBM]

There are some good players on that list, they just have done better away from the Bears than when they were with the Bears.

Ive yelled about that as well, but I think the crap picks outweigh the picks that had potential. The GM sucks as does the coaching. Just think the GM deserves to go more, especially for the o-line stuff. Justin Gage is another one by the wayWhat other team has not one but TWO 3rd picks from LAST YEARS DRAFT get cut before their 2nd season. Thats unreal

 

[TitusIII]

Lovie is far from a BAD head coach, while Angelo is far from a good GM. Fire the guy who gives Lovie, well, not much to work with. Lovie and his excellent staff are doing an amazing job this season, imo, and he should win coach of the year if the Bears make the playoffs.