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Bears Vent...WHY NO RB TALKS! (1 Viewer)
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Stunt Rock
Footballguy
Because ForteWillLeadTheWay.
PitbullTD
Footballguy
im sorry but we need alot more than Forte...
sholditch
Footballguy
Because obviously the McCaskey's feel that one SB run every 20 years is enough. I share your pain. More than anything I want them to work out Bentley for the LG position, but it seems like nobody is even sniffing around him. It's maddening. We should have signed SA the week Benson got cut. Basically, since the SB, the Bears roster management has been nothing short of pathetic. No FA Qbs signed, no trades for vet QB even attempted, no effort to solidify the running game, and no move for an FA o-lineman. As hard as it is to accept, the McCaskeys simply do not care about winning.
What needs to happen is get every single season-ticket holder at Soldier Field to sign a petition saying that if something is not done by the start of the season in 09 to sign or draft a top-notch QB and at least two top-notch o-lineman every single season ticket holder will not renew their tickets and will not only boycott Bears games, but also Bears games on TV, all Bears merch, and everything else. The McCaskeys need to prove that they actually want their team to be one of the best and are willing to spend some cash to make it happen. They are far and away the cheapest owners in all of professional sports, and will continue to be so until it hits them in the only place it hurts: their pocketbook.
What needs to happen is get every single season-ticket holder at Soldier Field to sign a petition saying that if something is not done by the start of the season in 09 to sign or draft a top-notch QB and at least two top-notch o-lineman every single season ticket holder will not renew their tickets and will not only boycott Bears games, but also Bears games on TV, all Bears merch, and everything else. The McCaskeys need to prove that they actually want their team to be one of the best and are willing to spend some cash to make it happen. They are far and away the cheapest owners in all of professional sports, and will continue to be so until it hits them in the only place it hurts: their pocketbook.
Hue G
Footballguy
Because they'll suck either way, why spend the money
TheFanatic
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
In all seriousness, if they haven't addressed the QB situation in what, 4 years, what makes you think they will address the RB situation?
sholditch
Footballguy
This is different in a way. There's no excuse for either, but we went into this season thinking Ced would be there. Now he's not. But it's the same in that it shows that mgmt really doesn't care about winning. I for one am really f'ing sick of it. I've been a Bears fan since I could understand football and they're just as much my team as the McCaskeys. Bears fans have paid their dues and we are ready to see some real effort from mgmt to bring in some talent on offense. I am really, really sick of looking at cap room every year.
PitbullTD
Footballguy
unfortunately im not a season ticket holder, I attend on average two games a year and atleast one is always a preseason game. So sad...
I dont expect the bears to ever be a franchise that you see the name and say Awesome QB's, I know our place is Killer D, but this is just ridiculous. Our QB's...ALL OF THEM, belong in Canada or AFL, and id be surprised if they made it in the AFL. Our RB's just SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK! Something has got to give.
How many years more do I have to hang a #8 Jersey with a Noose around it outside on my front lawn before they get the picture?! Can you believe that we are paying ORTON over a MILLION this year?! And Rex's contract I believe is actually in the THREE MILLION range?! OMFG!
Excuse me while i go slit my wrists, cut my throat and shotgun blast my face while hanging myself from my best Bears neck tie in the closet....
I dont expect the bears to ever be a franchise that you see the name and say Awesome QB's, I know our place is Killer D, but this is just ridiculous. Our QB's...ALL OF THEM, belong in Canada or AFL, and id be surprised if they made it in the AFL. Our RB's just SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK SUCK! Something has got to give.
How many years more do I have to hang a #8 Jersey with a Noose around it outside on my front lawn before they get the picture?! Can you believe that we are paying ORTON over a MILLION this year?! And Rex's contract I believe is actually in the THREE MILLION range?! OMFG!
Excuse me while i go slit my wrists, cut my throat and shotgun blast my face while hanging myself from my best Bears neck tie in the closet....
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Here's what I don't understand: why was it OK to go into last season with a RB crew headed by the unproven Cedric Benson and backed up by steady, but underwhelming Adrian Peterson and an unknown waterbug like Garrett Wolfe?
Now one year later, you have a similar scenario with a RB crew headed by the unproven yet obviously more well-rounded Matt Forte and backed up by the steady, but underwhelming Adrian Peterson and a known entity like Garrett Wolfe?
It's the same scenario except I would think the more fundamentally sound three-down back Forte should inspire more confidence this year than Benson did last year.
And rushing out immediately to sign a 31-year-old washed up Shaun Alexander? Come on, surely you're not serious. Why make an ineffectual move out of desperation when your RB crew is stronger now than it ever was last season?
Now one year later, you have a similar scenario with a RB crew headed by the unproven yet obviously more well-rounded Matt Forte and backed up by the steady, but underwhelming Adrian Peterson and a known entity like Garrett Wolfe?
It's the same scenario except I would think the more fundamentally sound three-down back Forte should inspire more confidence this year than Benson did last year.
And rushing out immediately to sign a 31-year-old washed up Shaun Alexander? Come on, surely you're not serious. Why make an ineffectual move out of desperation when your RB crew is stronger now than it ever was last season?
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Footballguy
Couch Potato
Footballguy
With Grossman/Orton passing to Booker, Bradley, and Hester, they'll throw for 7,000 yards and 60 TDs. That's all they'll need.
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Starting to sound like us Lions fans.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I feel your pain.
The truth is that Forte may be the real deal if his niftyness translates to the NFL. The line is improved. And it takes at least a few years for a QB to develop in the NFL.
I remember when we had Harbaugh, Flutie and another QB (can't remember his name offhand) as rookies and everyone in Chicago wanted them all gone. Each went on to be, post Bears, effective game managers and each steered a team to the playoffs. I haven't given up on the QBs yet. The WRs are a whole other issue...
Personally, Im just hoping the O-Line holds up. If they can give Grossman (YES - GROSSMAN) half a second more I think he can be efficient.
I don't think we keep up with the Vikings this year (I don't see our D-Line competing with the Vike's O-Line), but I do think we should be competitive.
So, Chin up little buckaroo - the cupboard is not completely bare!
The truth is that Forte may be the real deal if his niftyness translates to the NFL. The line is improved. And it takes at least a few years for a QB to develop in the NFL.
I remember when we had Harbaugh, Flutie and another QB (can't remember his name offhand) as rookies and everyone in Chicago wanted them all gone. Each went on to be, post Bears, effective game managers and each steered a team to the playoffs. I haven't given up on the QBs yet. The WRs are a whole other issue...
Personally, Im just hoping the O-Line holds up. If they can give Grossman (YES - GROSSMAN) half a second more I think he can be efficient.
I don't think we keep up with the Vikings this year (I don't see our D-Line competing with the Vike's O-Line), but I do think we should be competitive.
So, Chin up little buckaroo - the cupboard is not completely bare!
Englishteacher
Footballguy
There was something that came out in the press, I think I saw it in Pro football Talk, that Kevin Jones was expressing an interest in Chicago. He had a buddy on defense that he told to put in a good word for him. As a dynasty Kevin Jones owner I really hope this doesn't happen. The possibility of a starting job would be nice but that offense SUCKS!
Stunt Rock
Footballguy
Also why are you getting wasted at 4 in the afternoon on a Wednesday.
.... thats the best time...
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
(Burp!) "WHY NOT?!":blutarsky:Back on topic, Alexander is done, Kevin Jones has done little more than run on a golf course, and they drafted a back in the 2nd round that they like. Plus, getting rid of Benson is addition by subtraction. And the McCaskeys are incredibly cheap. However, I agree with the Bears not signing one of the 'name' free agent RB's out there. I'm more bitter about them doing nothing for the WR corps aside from bringing back Marty Booker (and drafting Monk and the kid from Vandy).
radballs
Footballguy
If he's a real option, he might be a nice fit. Not getting the sarcasm.I'm VERY excited about seeing Shaun Alexander in a Bear's uniform.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Bennett
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Link to the Bears going into this season counting on Cedric Benson as the starting RB?
Enforcer
Footballguy
Alexander is done. Fork has been stuck so deep in him its painful to watch. However, I'll gladly defer to your list of great 30+ running backs that returned to respectability after two embarrassing seasons.If he's a real option, he might be a nice fit. Not getting the sarcasm.I'm VERY excited about seeing Shaun Alexander in a Bear's uniform.
PranksterJD
Footballguy
It was OK because Cedric was a first round choice, and Forte wasn't. Cedric was one of the highest ranked rushers in a heralded running back class, and Forte wasn't. Cedric had at least shown a moderate level of ability on an NFL level when he was sharing with Jones, and Forte hasn't. I'm not saying that's a completely sane way to think, but that's why it was OK. If that ( misguided ) reason isn't enough, then a simpler one is that it was OK because they hadn't failed at it yet.
This combines with the above. I think the point is that, like you said earlier, they're going into 2008 with the same concepts in the running game as they did in 2007. But rather than realize that an unproven lead rusher with mediocre backups is a bad idea, they have decided that they'll just try again with another unproven lead rusher and mediocre backups.Its not that Forte is going to be Cedric Benson, its that the Bears are not protecting themselves in case he is.
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sholditch
Footballguy
Exactly. And I'm sorry, but no one can tell me that signing SA wouldn't be an improvement on what we got. He played with a broken wrist all last year and played better than Benson, who unfortunately was the best back we had last year. Plus he could mentor Forte. I don't beleive he has much left in the tank either but we are talking about a former pro-bowler and one of the league's more accomplished backs. If Forte goes down he could carry the load.
But again, what really pisses me off is not hearing anything about them working out Bentley. Dude has said he wants to play guard, is only 28, and if healthy is worlds better than our other options at LG. If he is healthy though, he might actually cost something to sign. That's who we need to be worrying about, or we're going to see a combo of Beekman and Metcalf getting blown off the line all year, Grossman will be harassed and therefore terrible, and the running game will suffer. Not addressing LG until round 7 of the draft was basically unforgivable, and now they have an opportunity to correct that gross error.
But again, what really pisses me off is not hearing anything about them working out Bentley. Dude has said he wants to play guard, is only 28, and if healthy is worlds better than our other options at LG. If he is healthy though, he might actually cost something to sign. That's who we need to be worrying about, or we're going to see a combo of Beekman and Metcalf getting blown off the line all year, Grossman will be harassed and therefore terrible, and the running game will suffer. Not addressing LG until round 7 of the draft was basically unforgivable, and now they have an opportunity to correct that gross error.
hove
Footballguy
+1. Pretty much nails the situation...
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Right. I get your point. What I'm saying is that Benson was (is) an awful running back with a limited skill set. I wouldn't assume all young RBs are going to play similarly. In fact, I would assume most young, starting caliber RBs will not. It's not unusual at all for a NFL team to rely on a young, unproven RB. The Bears just chose to rely on an immature headcase lacking in explosion, will power, work ethic, sanity, and moderation.
I wouldn't expect Forte to bring that same package to the table. And I certainly don't buy the argument that Shaun Alexander is going to do anything more than hurt the Bears the way he hurt the Seahawks offense last season. He was Benson bad. Why revisit a scenario that has your RB running into the back of the O-Line's legs and falling down?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Coach Lovie Smith says the Bears have no current intentions of pursuing a veteran running back to compete or share carries with Matt Forte.
It's a lot of faith to put in a rookie, not that the backs available other than Kevin Jones are intriguing. "We don't have any plans to do that," Smith said. "We like all of our players and those are the ones that we're going with." Forte could be in line for 300 carries as a rookie if Lovie sticks to his guns. Jun. 18 - 9:54 pm et
Source: Associated Press
It's a lot of faith to put in a rookie, not that the backs available other than Kevin Jones are intriguing. "We don't have any plans to do that," Smith said. "We like all of our players and those are the ones that we're going with." Forte could be in line for 300 carries as a rookie if Lovie sticks to his guns. Jun. 18 - 9:54 pm et
Source: Associated Press
eric rymer
Footballguy
Looking forward to ForteWillLeadTheWay to post up and defend himself here.I would be more upset about the QB situation than this. The fact that they didn't draft a QB (any QB) is beyond me. At least they addressed the RB position.
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PranksterJD
Footballguy
I agree completely. Honestly my issue isn't with completely Benson or Forte, but also in the fact that the Bears have already been shown that Peterson and Wolfe **cannot** accomplish NFL-level rushing should the premier runner falter. I'm not saying Forte has the same chance of failure that Benson did, but he's an NFL running back so he had SOME chance of failure.Maybe Peterson and Wolfe would perform better if they had a better passing game to draw defense. Maybe they would perform better if they had a better O line. I'll admit that I don't follow the Bears closely, but I haven't heard a huge newsbreak that they have completely revamped a position that would assist their horrible running game other than by drafting Forte. Maybe Chris Williams is a godsend and I don't know about it. I'm getting out of my element here.It just seems to me that the Bears are, like others have said here, content with mediocrity. If Forte busts, gets hurt, whatever... they're exactly where they were last year, which we've already seen doesn't work, but they don't care. I think Shaun is a **horrible** choice, by the way ( and I'm betting the guy that suggested it is a Packers/Vikings/Lions fan ), but there are/were other options available that could have given a little more stability or veteran leadership and strengthened the safety net a bit.Fear & Loathing said:
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Footballguy
Agreed, our O-line was horrid last season and a big reason why our running game was miserable. Now that dinosaurs Fred "False Start" Miller and Ruben "Holding" Brown are gone with Tait likely moving back to his natural RT position, these are improvements regardless of who fills the open spots. Chris Williams, Josh Beekman, Kirk Barton and Chester Adams are promising young "big ugly" prospects, with Williams and Beekman likely to become starters this season.
Benson being waived lifts a huge cloud of uncertainty IMO. Forte at Tulane routinely played against teams that focused their defensive gameplan on stopping him specifically, yet he was very productive for the Green Wave anyhow. Yes, it's a huge step up in the level of competition, but if he even halves what he did last season, most fans would be doing backflips. Peterson has actually shown he can be effective off the bench over several years (with the exception of last season) and fans often talk about making him the starter. However, his role as a backup and special teamer is ideal for him. Wolfe has not been used correctly by Turner, they need to create space in order for him to have a chance.
The idea that the Bears are content with mediocrity is outright ridiculous... Would fans rather see us become like Dan Snyder and the Skins where we pay through the nose for FA washups and trade many of our draft picks away?
So we had a dropoff last season after posting 11-5 and 13-3 seasons, but if you're a true fan you'd know that the defense gave up leads in at least four games that were winnable. Stopping third and longs was a huge problem as well as giving up big plays at crucial times. Yet, if I remember right, Orton and Grossman were the QBs from those two playoff seasons. Another year in Turner's system will be beneficial to whichever QB wins the starting job. Grossman has shown that when he has protection he can be very productive.
So Berrian and Muhammad are gone, big deal. Rashied Davis has reportedly stepped up his offseason efforts and turned heads at OTAs, Turner thinks Hester can be a gamebreaker on offense, Booker offers stability as a possession/sticks guy, Bradley (if healthy) has greater potential than Berrian (as he's a bigger target and just as fast).
I'm not surprised at all the negativity from both fans and non-fans who have no idea WTF they are talking about, but the bottom line is that this team is not much different from the one that went to the Super Bowl. This team can challenge for the division title this season.
Benson being waived lifts a huge cloud of uncertainty IMO. Forte at Tulane routinely played against teams that focused their defensive gameplan on stopping him specifically, yet he was very productive for the Green Wave anyhow. Yes, it's a huge step up in the level of competition, but if he even halves what he did last season, most fans would be doing backflips. Peterson has actually shown he can be effective off the bench over several years (with the exception of last season) and fans often talk about making him the starter. However, his role as a backup and special teamer is ideal for him. Wolfe has not been used correctly by Turner, they need to create space in order for him to have a chance.
The idea that the Bears are content with mediocrity is outright ridiculous... Would fans rather see us become like Dan Snyder and the Skins where we pay through the nose for FA washups and trade many of our draft picks away?
So we had a dropoff last season after posting 11-5 and 13-3 seasons, but if you're a true fan you'd know that the defense gave up leads in at least four games that were winnable. Stopping third and longs was a huge problem as well as giving up big plays at crucial times. Yet, if I remember right, Orton and Grossman were the QBs from those two playoff seasons. Another year in Turner's system will be beneficial to whichever QB wins the starting job. Grossman has shown that when he has protection he can be very productive.
So Berrian and Muhammad are gone, big deal. Rashied Davis has reportedly stepped up his offseason efforts and turned heads at OTAs, Turner thinks Hester can be a gamebreaker on offense, Booker offers stability as a possession/sticks guy, Bradley (if healthy) has greater potential than Berrian (as he's a bigger target and just as fast).
I'm not surprised at all the negativity from both fans and non-fans who have no idea WTF they are talking about, but the bottom line is that this team is not much different from the one that went to the Super Bowl. This team can challenge for the division title this season.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Addressing the last two posts, I think I have to side with Prankster JD that the Bears have shown over and over again in the Love Smith/Angelo era that they are content with mediocrity on offense. I don't think there can be any argument that the Bears have not been content with mediocrity at the quarterback position for at least the last three seasons. Allowing the QB position to hold the franchise hostage during their Super Bowl window was an especially egregious mistake. If I was a Bears fan, I would be absolutely livid that we had that window of a couple of years where we could have won the Super Bowl with a legit NFL quarterback . . . and we sent out a headcase mediocrity at QB instead. And then we handed over our rushing attack to another headcase mediocrity. And that's before even addressing the woeful receiving crew we're going to run out there this season.
But I don't fault them at all for going with Forte and leaving Shaun Alexander unemployed. Young, early round RBs are better bets for success than aging, washed up RBs sitting on the market in late June. The only free agent RB that I think makes any sense is Ron Dayne, and he is the very definition of mediocrity. If I already have Adrian Peterson, what do I want with Ron Dayne?
But I don't fault them at all for going with Forte and leaving Shaun Alexander unemployed. Young, early round RBs are better bets for success than aging, washed up RBs sitting on the market in late June. The only free agent RB that I think makes any sense is Ron Dayne, and he is the very definition of mediocrity. If I already have Adrian Peterson, what do I want with Ron Dayne?
sholditch
Footballguy
The team is very different from the SB team but looks similar to the untrained eye.
1. No Thomas Jones: Forte might make us forget about him, but he was a huge loss from the SB team
2. No Tank Jonhson: if you don't think cutting him made a huge difference in our ability to stop the run, you weren't paying attention last year
3. No Chris Harris, sub Arhucleta: to me, this was worse than losing Tank. McGowan eventually played well at his spot, but it took a while. Meanwhile, Harris was kicking butt for Carolina
As I have said before, the 07 season was largely self-imposed, and it looks like we are again self-imposing another season of mediocrity. I just think that if there is a guy out there that will help us improve on last season and won't break the bank, we should sign him. We need insurance for Forte and need help at LG. If we could at least address one of those needs through FA before the start of the season I would be happy.
1. No Thomas Jones: Forte might make us forget about him, but he was a huge loss from the SB team
2. No Tank Jonhson: if you don't think cutting him made a huge difference in our ability to stop the run, you weren't paying attention last year
3. No Chris Harris, sub Arhucleta: to me, this was worse than losing Tank. McGowan eventually played well at his spot, but it took a while. Meanwhile, Harris was kicking butt for Carolina
As I have said before, the 07 season was largely self-imposed, and it looks like we are again self-imposing another season of mediocrity. I just think that if there is a guy out there that will help us improve on last season and won't break the bank, we should sign him. We need insurance for Forte and need help at LG. If we could at least address one of those needs through FA before the start of the season I would be happy.
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Footballguy
F&L:
Here's my argument: Teams just can't go out and get high quality starting QBs and WRs that easily in the NFL. We would have to trade away our best defensive talent or multiple high draft picks to do that and trading in that fashion is not prevalent anyhow. Nearly all teams protect their playmakers, so building from within is the path of choice for nearly every team.
Orton and Grossman both signed one-year deals, meaning the staff is giving both one more chance to prove they belong. If neither is successful, initiate rebuilding mode or try to land a big-time FA QB.
Snowball effect: Woeful O-line = woeful QB = woeful receivers = woeful running game
Still, our woeful passing attack somehow wound up in the upper half of the league last season.
Here's my argument: Teams just can't go out and get high quality starting QBs and WRs that easily in the NFL. We would have to trade away our best defensive talent or multiple high draft picks to do that and trading in that fashion is not prevalent anyhow. Nearly all teams protect their playmakers, so building from within is the path of choice for nearly every team.
Orton and Grossman both signed one-year deals, meaning the staff is giving both one more chance to prove they belong. If neither is successful, initiate rebuilding mode or try to land a big-time FA QB.
Snowball effect: Woeful O-line = woeful QB = woeful receivers = woeful running game
Still, our woeful passing attack somehow wound up in the upper half of the league last season.
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Footballguy
T. Jones: agreed, but drafting Benson in the first place was the real mistake, we should've traded downTank Johnson: agreed, Dvoracek was in place but he's still unproven due to two years on the shelf; latest word is Idonije will move inside into the DT rotationC. Harris: agreed, they fumbled on both him and Archuleta (I traded for Harris for my dynasty team though, I knew better)Smith has stated that they don't plan on bringing anyone else in at RB, so plan on not being happy. Teams are supposedly kicking the tires on Bentley but when there are reports of the guy running 40s in the 7-second range, that is a huge red flag, regardless of whether he passed the Browns' physical or not. He wants upper-tier cash but unless he settles for a minimum deal with incentives, I don't see us bringing him on board. If they do sign him, great, hope he works out. Just not at the expense of re-signing Urlacher, T. Harris or Hester.As far as QBs go, I wouldn't mind seeing us take a chance on Culpepper. Yes, I said Culpepper. That guy was always a beast against us.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Why are you bending over backwards to make excuses for them? They blew their shot at a championship because they were too stubborn to admit they were accepting mediocrity when they should have been going for it all. I don't buy the argument for a minute that the Bears couldn't find a better QB than Rex Grossman. There are better QBs sitting on benches around the league. The main point, however, is that Grossman's strengths and weaknesses were an appallingly bad fit for the surrounding talent on defense and special teams. The team needed a caretaker/game manager, not a turnover prone wannabe playmaker.
Now you're saying it's understandable that the team is once again allowing Grossman and Orton the opportunity to "prove they belong" when they've already proven they don't belong anywhere but on the sidelines holding a clipboard. That's ludicrous. That would be like a baseball team running their cleanup hitter out there for two straight years with a .195 average, .300 SLG, and .250 OBP and saying, "Yeah, but we think he's better than that. We're going to give him one more year in the heart of the lineup to show whether he belongs or not." Damn, you're a heck of a nice guy to be handing out free passes so easily.
Face it, the jury is in and they've handed the judge a rope. . .
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Footballguy
F&L: If you're not a fan, why do you care so much?
Your arguments are weak, apples to oranges in my book regarding the cleanup hitter.
There are 31 losers in the NFL every year. We nearly won the Super Bowl in spite of Grossman's subpar effort along with Benson's fumble and subsequent owie which he wussed out on.
I'm not saying I agree with allowing Grossman and Orton to return. It is what it is. I'm saying that bringing in another high quality QB is extremely difficult, but I guess you could not grasp that concept.
Your arguments are weak, apples to oranges in my book regarding the cleanup hitter.
There are 31 losers in the NFL every year. We nearly won the Super Bowl in spite of Grossman's subpar effort along with Benson's fumble and subsequent owie which he wussed out on.
I'm not saying I agree with allowing Grossman and Orton to return. It is what it is. I'm saying that bringing in another high quality QB is extremely difficult, but I guess you could not grasp that concept.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Nearly won? Last time I checked the Colts dominated every statistic in that game. Yes, it was close in the 2nd half, but I never got the feeling the Colts were being threatened by the Bears.-X- said:
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
-X- said:
I'll back out of the conversation now as I'm not really into the obligatory Bears back-slapping and glad-handing that you're after.
sholditch
Footballguy
Seriously: FA Qbs signed in the Grossman/Orton eraKurt Warner-Superbowl Champion. MVPDrew Brees-ProbowlerMatt Schaub- Future probowlerJeff Garcia-worlds better than what we gotBilly Volek-dittoDaunte Culpepper-Might not be an improvement but I wouldn't mind finding outByron Leftwich-dittothat's just off the top of my head too
Man who'd fire the Yorks
Footballguy
Sounds kinda like my 49ers. As per my screename, Man Who'd Fire The Yorks, maybe the Bears to to clean house owner and management-wise. I personally don't think the Yorks care about football other than it being a money-making opportunity. Can't speak for the Bears in that department but I feel all Bears fans pain. You WANT to win but owner & management don't seem to be on the same page. Of course, these are supposed to be the professionals and they should know what's best for their football team. Yeah, right. I don't think they have a clue sometimes. I agree they got a gem when they took Forte but he can't do it all. I still think as well they'll HAVE to do something about QB next year as I'm not sold on Grossman or Orton. If they can manage to somehow find a QB next year that can be their franchise of the future they'll be in better shape, but I think it's imperative they address that QB situation or they're gonna be success for quite a while.
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