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Beisbol Team Season Win Totals (1 Viewer)

Washington 67 UNDERJohn Patterson, Shawn Hill, Jason Simontacchi, Matt Chico, Nook Logan, Cristian Guzman, Brian Schneider, AND a first-time manager??? This year's historically bad team will easily top 100 losses.
This is the safest bet on the board. The Nationals will start poorly and fade in the stretch. 55 wins tops and how they do that will take a miracle and a bunch of 11-7 kinds of wins. Zimmerman and Kearns are decent hitters and they'll have decent infield defense, but the pitching will be AAA level at best, and if Patterson got hurt, Katie bar the door.
There is no question that Washington is going to be AWFUL this year. I'll second this "safest bet on the board" vote. This division could be pretty difficult and with Nick Johnson's health issues I just don't see very many weapons.
 
NYY went up to 97.5? I'd hammer that.
Agree. Just went to play it and it went back to 97 flat...although it's -115 instead of -125. I'll wait.
Damnit. Down to 96.5 U-105. :D
Yanks have no starters left. Not sure why you expect it to go back up again.
I didn't expect it to go up necessarily. I just didn't realize it would drop more. I haven't followed spring training and such, thus the thread. The Yanks were on my radar because I like to short teams that are at a premium, and they always are.
 
NYY went up to 97.5? I'd hammer that.
Agree. Just went to play it and it went back to 97 flat...although it's -115 instead of -125. I'll wait.
Damnit. Down to 96.5 U-105. :D
Yanks have no starters left. Not sure why you expect it to go back up again.
I didn't expect it to go up necessarily. I just didn't realize it would drop more. I haven't followed spring training and such, thus the thread. The Yanks were on my radar because I like to short teams that are at a premium, and they always are.
I would still hammer the #### out of this as they really have no pitching.
 
NYY went up to 97.5? I'd hammer that.
Agree. Just went to play it and it went back to 97 flat...although it's -115 instead of -125. I'll wait.
Damnit. Down to 96.5 U-105. :D
Yanks have no starters left. Not sure why you expect it to go back up again.
I didn't expect it to go up necessarily. I just didn't realize it would drop more. I haven't followed spring training and such, thus the thread. The Yanks were on my radar because I like to short teams that are at a premium, and they always are.
I would still hammer the #### out of this as they really have no pitching.
Alright I will. At least the juice has gone down, that's a plus.
 
Reading the thread again, the following seem to be consensus picks in the crowd:

Yankees U (big) -- obvious reasons

Arizona O -- lotta love, interesting

Washington U -- is this too obvious?

White Sox U -- sinking

Houston O -- people like their opponents

SF U -- like it

Tampa O -- surprise, surprise...offense

And Milwaukee (O) got some love -- pitching

 
I don't like the Washington under, personally. Yes, I know this is supposed to be a terrible team. But, I don't think they're as bad as others make them out to be, and the NL East is not a monster division, contrary to popular belief. The Mets have no pitching. The Phils are in the same boat, and look at that lineup after the top 4. Florida is a young and up comer, but will still hit some rough spots. I think Washington wins 70-75 this year.

I don't like the TB over either, but I can see the love there for that offense. I think they'll have troubles in that division though.

g'luck

 
I don't like the Washington under, personally. Yes, I know this is supposed to be a terrible team. But, I don't think they're as bad as others make them out to be, and the NL East is not a monster division, contrary to popular belief. The Mets have no pitching. The Phils are in the same boat, and look at that lineup after the top 4. Florida is a young and up comer, but will still hit some rough spots. I think Washington wins 70-75 this year.I don't like the TB over either, but I can see the love there for that offense. I think they'll have troubles in that division though.g'luck
Yeah, Washington scares me just in the fact that it's abundantly clear to everybody that they are horrible. Well, that under is likely at a premium -- has to be. I'd like more value than that.
 
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I'll change these as necessary, but below are ballpark numbers on what "vegas" would put each team's win total at. Give us your input. Who do you think is being under or overrated here? :thumbup:

Arizona 79 78.5 O-125 79 over

Atlanta 82 82.5 O-125 83 over (number is dead on though)

Baltimore 74 O-125 74.5 under

Boston 91 pass

Chicago Cubs 84 uuuuuuuuunder

Chicago WS 88 U-125 87.5 pass, too tight

Cincinnati 77 75.5 O-125 76 over

Cleveland 86 86.5 over

Colorado 76 U-125 way over

Detroit 89 under

Florida 78 77 O-125 over

Houston 79 looks right

Kansas City 67 U-125 over

LA Angels 90 89 O-125 under

LA Dodgers 88 under

Milwaukee 81 over

Minnesota 84 84.5 U-125 pass

NY Mets 90 89 O-125 pass

NY Yankees 97 97.5 U-125 96.5 looks right 95-97 wins

Oakland 85 U-125 over

Philadelphia 88 88.5 pass, dead on

Pittsburgh 72 73 O-125 73.5 over

San Diego 84 U-125 pass

San Francisco 81 80.5 U-125 80 smidge over

Seattle 79 78 O-125 78.5 pass

St. Louis 85 84.5 U-120 pass, looks right

Tampa Bay 67 over -- thinking 70-71

Texas 81 80.5 O-125 81 pass

Toronto 87 87.5 O-125 under

Washington 67 67.5 U-125 under, 62-63
 
White Sox are slowly sinking. The back end of the rotation is bad, the OF defense is horrible, and Jenks has had a bad spring.

Since the White Sox and the Tigers are pointed towards under, someone in the division must improve. That team is Cleveland. There were high expectations last year and they may have been a year too early. Like them to fight for the division title.

NL leans - Chicago Cubs over. A month ago I liked the under but have backtracked. They have a manager for the first time in four years. The lineup is much better, and they are not counting on Prior or Wood. A weak division and more fundamental baseball should make this a winner.

Arizona, if the pitching holds up, should fly over with their lineup. They should be the best in a tight division.

 
Good input FW and Capella, thanks.

Cleveland does makes sense...so does Tampa. I was probably a year early on both last year (lost, overs). Won with Oakland (over) and Chisox (under) last year...ended up pushing w/ the 4 plays.

Thinking of going with just 2 teams this year.

Interesting, that Capella is not really on board with this Yankees under.

As a Dodger fan, it's tougher to pull the trigger on the D-backs over (everybody likes). No problem playing the SF under, however. NONE.

 
and they are not counting on Prior or Wood. A weak division and more fundamental baseball should make this a winner.
Not that I disagree with the over, because I think the offense will carry them, but their pitching is still horrid, and not counting on Prior or Wood makes absolutely no difference.The White Sox will play very very closely to that number, Danks has pitched well in the Spring and has emerged as the 5th starter. Their bullpen is young but they are far from bad as is the back of their rotation. They do, however, play in a tough division. But the question remains, how much as Cleveland really improved? Will Detroit play as well as they did last year? How will Minnesota fare without Liriano? Should be interesting.
 
Bet your wife on the Giants under. Their lineup is garbage. Zito's peripherals are all headed south, and the rest of their rotation is even worse with the exception of Matt Cain.

Look at their lineup, look at their pitching, and explain to me how they'll score more runs than they'll give up this year. :lmao:

 
Bet your wife on the Giants under. Their lineup is garbage. Zito's peripherals are all headed south, and the rest of their rotation is even worse with the exception of Matt Cain.Look at their lineup, look at their pitching, and explain to me how they'll score more runs than they'll give up this year. :lmao:
I like it, although it has dropped to 80.What do you mean about Zito?
 
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Green94 said:
guru_007 said:
just threw a dime on yankees u97 -115 :shrug: F NY
Is a dime still a grand these days? :wub:
Don't see why it wouldn't be...
Just trying to clarify, people tend to use different terminology around here. Not sure I would want to tie up a grand for an entire baseball season, but if you got it...
Not tying anything up actually, money isn't up front (local).
Oh nice, that's the way to do it. :boxing: I miss having a local. :yes:
 
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Green94 said:
guru_007 said:
just threw a dime on yankees u97 -115 :shrug: F NY
Is a dime still a grand these days? :wub:
Don't see why it wouldn't be...
Just trying to clarify, people tend to use different terminology around here. Not sure I would want to tie up a grand for an entire baseball season, but if you got it...
Right. I actually was going to post that this was a big future bet for me....but I do have a local, so it's on account, not part of my actual bankroll, well, sorta.With the bulk of the good offshore books closing, my options are limited, so when I see something I like, I may be more apt to hammer it.You'll be seeing a lot of run line parlays from me this year :yes: :boxing: :yes:
 
I am surprised by the KC 67 U

I would take that and run

I am predicting at least 74 wins and 80 on the high side.

Their record after GM Dayton Moore took over last season (and started wheeling and dealing) on 6/8 was 48-58, which over 162 computes to between 73-74 wins.

You change the roster as much as they have and they are supposed to go BACKWARDS?

If they are below 74-88 I will be disappointed. Anything higher than 80 is a bonus.

 
I am surprised by the KC 67 UI would take that and runI am predicting at least 74 wins and 80 on the high side.Their record after GM Dayton Moore took over last season (and started wheeling and dealing) on 6/8 was 48-58, which over 162 computes to between 73-74 wins.You change the roster as much as they have and they are supposed to go BACKWARDS?If they are below 74-88 I will be disappointed. Anything higher than 80 is a bonus.
crosseyed level homer here, sonny -- I would avoid.
 
I am surprised by the KC 67 UI would take that and runI am predicting at least 74 wins and 80 on the high side.Their record after GM Dayton Moore took over last season (and started wheeling and dealing) on 6/8 was 48-58, which over 162 computes to between 73-74 wins.You change the roster as much as they have and they are supposed to go BACKWARDS?If they are below 74-88 I will be disappointed. Anything higher than 80 is a bonus.
crosseyed level homer here, sonny -- I would avoid.
:confused: Duly noted...
 
I am surprised by the KC 67 UI would take that and runI am predicting at least 74 wins and 80 on the high side.Their record after GM Dayton Moore took over last season (and started wheeling and dealing) on 6/8 was 48-58, which over 162 computes to between 73-74 wins.You change the roster as much as they have and they are supposed to go BACKWARDS?If they are below 74-88 I will be disappointed. Anything higher than 80 is a bonus.
crosseyed level homer here, sonny -- I would avoid.
Hey buddy, instead of throwing stones, offer up your opinion, you are as bad as liberals who call out conservatives on issues and then offer no solution.How can you rationalize that KC will regress from their win % under after the Dayton Moore hire? I would like to hear your argument, oh wise one......
 
What position does Dayton Moore play?

KC plays in either the toughest, or second toughest division in baseball. With a majority of their games against the likes of Detroit/Cleveland/Minnesota and the White Sox, they'll be fortunate not to lose 100 games. KC may be a team on the rise, but with that pitching staff, they are going nowhere.

Enjoy the baseball season.

 
I am surprised by the KC 67 UI would take that and runI am predicting at least 74 wins and 80 on the high side.Their record after GM Dayton Moore took over last season (and started wheeling and dealing) on 6/8 was 48-58, which over 162 computes to between 73-74 wins.You change the roster as much as they have and they are supposed to go BACKWARDS?If they are below 74-88 I will be disappointed. Anything higher than 80 is a bonus.
crosseyed level homer here, sonny -- I would avoid.
Hey buddy, instead of throwing stones, offer up your opinion, you are as bad as liberals who call out conservatives on issues and then offer no solution.
Step away from the politics, bueno.
 
I was leaning under on Cleveland

CC just got drilled on his PITCHING wrist per mlb.com and left immediately - I would get on the under before the line changed.

G'luck

 
guru_007 said:
What position does Dayton Moore play?

KC plays in either the toughest, or second toughest division in baseball. With a majority of their games against the likes of Detroit/Cleveland/Minnesota and the White Sox, they'll be fortunate not to lose 100 games. KC may be a team on the rise, but with that pitching staff, they are going nowhere.

Enjoy the baseball season.
I agree with Guru. 67 wins is right about what they are going to finish at.The division is too tough and Gil Meche is their ace. They will be within 1 or 2 games of 67 either way.

 
Angry Beavers said:
I was leaning under on ClevelandCC just got drilled on his PITCHING wrist per mlb.com and left immediately - I would get on the under before the line changed.G'luck
Hi ABWhat has Cleveland done this offseason? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like people are on their bandwagon again this year.
 
Angry Beavers said:
I was leaning under on ClevelandCC just got drilled on his PITCHING wrist per mlb.com and left immediately - I would get on the under before the line changed.G'luck
Hi ABWhat has Cleveland done this offseason? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like people are on their bandwagon again this year.
So did Sabathia break something or what? Anybody?
 
Angry Beavers said:
I was leaning under on ClevelandCC just got drilled on his PITCHING wrist per mlb.com and left immediately - I would get on the under before the line changed.G'luck
Hi ABWhat has Cleveland done this offseason? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like people are on their bandwagon again this year.
So did Sabathia break something or what? Anybody?
Arm bruise. Is that how you spell bruise? Looks weird.
 
That's just it - I don't see how the Tribe got any better. I am a transplated NYY homer who has been living in Cleveland for 20 years. I don't see any team speed, the starting pitching is OK but has not gotten any better. The pen still has question marks and I am scared if Borowksi is supposed to be the answer. Further, IMHO the lineup has all kinds of question marks including the entire left side of the infield ( Peralta and Marte), Barfield is OK at second and you have a platoon at first. Martinez is nice offensively for a Catcher, but is terrible defensively - teams run at will on him. The OF, other than Sizemore,(who by the way just got a boatload of $ and is now hitting below the mendoza line in SPring Training (just hope for the Tribe not a sign of things to come now that he has cashed in) is simply ordinary.

Bottom Line is i do not see this team winning 86 games. FWIW, SBLD, I have not bet this as I do not want to tie $ up for the season and I do not have a local. I did wager one of guys I work with the Tribe would not win 89 games and he owes me $50.00 for every game they fall short and I owe him $ 50.00 for every game they go over. ( Long story)

PS - CC supposedly is just bruised, not broken, but is due to be re-evaluated again tomorrow.

 
Angry Beavers said:
I was leaning under on ClevelandCC just got drilled on his PITCHING wrist per mlb.com and left immediately - I would get on the under before the line changed.G'luck
Hi ABWhat has Cleveland done this offseason? Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like people are on their bandwagon again this year.
I agree with you - I don't get the Cleveland love - heck they may not even be the 3rd best team in their own division.
 
I like Cleveland this year :shrug:

Sizemore

Hafner

Vmart

They have very good offensive talent across the board, from Barfield to Peralta, Casey Blake, Trot Nixon, Delucci....just professional hitters.

Sure they lack team speed, but so do the Yankees, and the Red Sox have done without speed since the turn of the century.

I think the bullpen is what will make or break this team. If they can pitch solidly, the Tribe have a chance of winning the division. If they don't, well 3rd or 4th is a possibility.

 
I like Cleveland this year :shrug:SizemoreHafnerVmartThey have very good offensive talent across the board, from Barfield to Peralta, Casey Blake, Trot Nixon, Delucci....just professional hitters.Sure they lack team speed, but so do the Yankees, and the Red Sox have done without speed since the turn of the century. I think the bullpen is what will make or break this team. If they can pitch solidly, the Tribe have a chance of winning the division. If they don't, well 3rd or 4th is a possibility.
Name three guys in their bullpen without looking online :D
 
I like Cleveland this year :yes:SizemoreHafnerVmartThey have very good offensive talent across the board, from Barfield to Peralta, Casey Blake, Trot Nixon, Delucci....just professional hitters.Sure they lack team speed, but so do the Yankees, and the Red Sox have done without speed since the turn of the century. I think the bullpen is what will make or break this team. If they can pitch solidly, the Tribe have a chance of winning the division. If they don't, well 3rd or 4th is a possibility.
Name three guys in their bullpen without looking online :D
I play a lot of rotisserie.....still can't do it. Borowski, Betancourt?
 
That settles it, I'm off Cleveland.

Incidentally, every team I've leaned towards has had the line go the other way on me. To me, that says you all have done your homework. Thanks.

Two days to decide! :nerd:

 
KC at 67 wins is probably accurate. I don't see us in line for another 100 loss season.. but 92-95 losses seems quite accurrate

I don't think there is much to be gained or lost there.

I'd stay away

 
No order, no reason, but this is what I just put in:

Cleveland under 86.5

LA Dodgers under 88

San Francisco over 80

Florida over 77

 

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