Belicheck's Coaching (1 Viewer)

[thatguythere]

Whether you care that they are running up the score or not...you have to admit that Brady and Co. are sort of making a mockery of fantasy football. You have to agree that it would be nice to have Brady and just be able to throw whoever in at RB or WR knowing that Brady is going to get your 30, 40, 50 points (depending on scoring system) per week. A guy started Michael Bennett and Ladell Betts in a 12 teamer and won pretty easy because of Brady's 36 pts. The rest of his team scored 34. Now that would be nice......! Congrats to all you Brady owners on your way to the FF playoffs.

All I can come up with is BB doesn't trust his defense to hold those 30 point leads....

 

[TD Ryan]

Actually, in a thread full of emotional responses, personal attacks, thinly veiled jealousies, hyperbole and fragile egos, Jercules posts have been the voice of reason. Easily some of the most lucid points made.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Haiku

With big lead, throw deep

Sixty touchdowns and a ring,

Birth control?, not me

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

HaikuWith big lead, throw deepSixty touchdowns and a ring,Birth control?, not me

Colts will save the dayDungy is friends with JesusBig Bad Bill is mean.

 

[dickey moe]

HaikuWith big lead, throw deepSixty touchdowns and a ring,Birth control?, not me

Bad. Horribly bad.Horribly, horribly bad.Just freaking horrible. Bad.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Whether you care that they are running up the score or not...you have to admit that Brady and Co. are sort of making a mockery of fantasy football. You have to agree that it would be nice to have Brady and just be able to throw whoever in at RB or WR knowing that Brady is going to get your 30, 40, 50 points (depending on scoring system) per week. A guy started Michael Bennett and Ladell Betts in a 12 teamer and won pretty easy because of Brady's 36 pts. The rest of his team scored 34. Now that would be nice......! Congrats to all you Brady owners on your way to the FF playoffs.All I can come up with is BB doesn't trust his defense to hold those 30 point leads....

The only freaken Patriot I have on my team is Watson and he's the only one who's gotten hurt. I don't think they're making a mockey out of fantasy football, they're defining it.If you have Tom Brady on your team, you BETTER be top 2 in your league. You should be top 1 but things happen but if you're outside of the top 2 in overall scoring, you have issues.

 

[TD Ryan]

As a Pats homer, we always have that one guy in our league that just drafts NE players.

He doesn't really follow the NFL, just the Pats.

And usually his teams are pretty bad.

... not this year though.

I don't think he put in near half the preparation the rest of us did. But with Brady, Moss, Stallworth, Welker, and NE D, he's killing us.

This is indeed, the ONE thing I don't like about the Pats success this year. It's almost ruined the fantasy season.

 

[Statorama]

If you have Tom Brady on your team, you BETTER be top 2 in your league. You should be top 1 but things happen but if you're outside of the top 2 in overall scoring, you have issues.

Reminds me of LT's record breaking year. If you had him and didn't win, your drafting/waiver/wdis skills were sorely lacking.

 

[Tau837]

I have not more problem with the pats doing this than I did w/ the Chargers last year as LT went fot the record.

This comparison is not valid. Tomlinson had 404 touches last season, but only had 9 touches when his team was ahead by 22+ points. Heck, he only had 39 touches, and a total of 2 TDs, while his team was ahead by 15+. Bottom line is that his team tended to rest him when the Chargers had the game in hand.It's clear you are fine with what the Pats are doing, but don't justify it by using an invalid comparison. TIA.

TD LaDainian Tomlinson, 6 yd run (Nate Kaeding kick is good), 3:57. Drive: 5 plays, 20 yards in 2:54 TD LaDainian Tomlinson, 7 yd run (Nate Kaeding kick is good), 3:10. Drive: 1 plays, 7 yards in 0:05

Chargers were leading by 14, 34-20, prior to the last two scores.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?gam...&week=REG14

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TD LaDainian Tomlinson, 1 yd run (Nate Kaeding kick is good), 0:33. Drive: 9 plays, 35 yards in 2:26

3rd Quarter

FG Nate Kaeding, 24 yd field goal , 9:09. Drive: 9 plays, 45 yards in 5:00

4th Quarter

FG Nate Kaeding, 44 yd field goal , 13:29. Drive: 7 plays, 38 yards in 2:56

TD LaDainian Tomlinson, 5 yd run (Nate Kaeding kick is good), 4:20. Drive: 13 plays, 56 yards in 7:36

This starts in the 2nd quarter, with the Chargers up 28-19, against the woeful 9ers. Yet, we still stt LT scoring w/ 4:20 left in the game. If you check the play by play in this 48-19 game, you see LT being fed the ball with a 38-19 lead in the 4th.

San Diego Chargers at 01:25

1-10-SD 36 (1:25) L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 38 for 2 yards (P.Haralson, J.Ulbrich).

2-8-SD 38 47) L.Tomlinson left tackle to SD 37 for -1 yards (D.Smith).

END QUARTER 3

4th Quarter expand [+] collapse [-]

San Diego Chargers continues ...

3-9-SD 37 (15:00) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short left to L.Tomlinson pushed ob at SF 47 for 16 yards (J.Ulbrich) [A.Adams]. Caught at SD 33. PENALTY on SF-A.Adams, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at SF 47.

1-10-SF 32 (14:29) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep right to A.Gates [P.Haralson].

2-10-SF 32 (14:24) P.Rivers pass short middle to L.Tomlinson to SF 26 for 6 yards (R.Fields).

3-4-SF 26 (14:24) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep right to V.Jackson (M.Roman) [b.Young].

4-4-SF 26 (13:29) N.Kaeding 44 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Binn, Holder-M.Scifres.

San Diego Chargers at 11:56

1-10-SD 44 (11:56) PENALTY on SD-M.McNeill, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at SD 44 - No Play.

1-15-SD 39 (11:56) L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 46 for 7 yards (M.Roman, M.Douglas).

2-8-SD 46 (11:24) L.Tomlinson up the middle to SD 49 for 3 yards (M.Douglas).

3-5-SD 49 (10:40) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short middle to A.Gates to SF 43 for 8 yards (C.Williams). Caught at SF 44.

1-10-SF 43 (9:55) L.Tomlinson left guard to SF 34 for 9 yards (S.Davis, M.Adams).

2-1-SF 34 (9:15) L.Neal left guard to SF 34 for no gain (R.Fields).

3-1-SF 34 (8:40) P.Rivers up the middle to SF 33 for 1 yard (B.Young).

1-10-SF 33 (7:43) L.Tomlinson right guard to SF 33 for no gain (M.Oliver).

2-10-SF 33 (6:44) P.Rivers pass incomplete deep right to M.Floyd (S.Davis).

3-10-SF 33 (6:37) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short left to K.McCardell to SF 22 for 11 yards (M.Adams). Caught at SF 25.

1-10-SF 22 (5:53) L.Tomlinson left tackle to SF 20 for 2 yards (M.Oliver).

2-8-SF 20 (5:13) P.Rivers pass incomplete short left to L.Tomlinson.

Timeout #2 by SF at 05:08.

3-8-SF 20 (5:08) (Shotgun) P.Rivers pass short middle to E.Parker to SF 5 for 15 yards (M.Adams). Caught at SF 13.

1-5-SF 5 (4:23) L.Tomlinson left tackle for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

N.Kaeding extra point is GOOD, Center-D.Binn, Holder-M.Scifres.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?gam...6&week=REG6 (forgot this link)

Call me crazy, but I count 10 touhces alone in this game. Oh yes, the magic number to take out the start is 22, not 21.

These are just 2 games, but I think I made the point that I initially made. SD left LT int he game when he could have been taken out. Why? Because they are a good team, trying to get better. The way to get better is to play hard untilt he game is over.

Honestly, there's not a huge sample of blowouts by SD last year. These are really the only two I looked at, but I saw the same thing. LT in the game, late, getting touches and scores.

Aren't you being a bit hypocritical in your statement above?

No, I'm not being hypocritical. I chose 22 as the threshold because that is what ESPN.com uses as a split point. I even went down to 15+ (ESPN's next split point) and he still only had 39 touches and 2 TDs on the entire season. You showed some examples of the touches I already cited, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with those. It is more reasonable for a RB to carry the ball in a blowout than for a QB to pass it, anyway, given the desire to run out the clock. Yet LT had a total of 39 touches in when SD is winning by 22+, compared to Brady, who already has thrown 34 passes this season while the Pats were ahead by 22+. And Brady still has half the season to go.

If your defense is that the Chargers weren't in as many blowout situations, then you are basically admitting that the situations were apples and oranges, so why draw the comparison? The fact is, there is no comparison, because other teams don't do what the Pats are doing. So your comparison was invalid.

You don't have to disagree with what they are doing, but don't try to justify it with invalid comparisons.

My point is these are the only two comparisons we have to look at. The Chargers weren't up by 15, or 22, that often. But, in their two blowouts, they exhibited the same exact behavior the Patriots are this year. I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm saying it happens every week with every team. You play hard until the final whistle blows. I looked at weeks 6-17, starting at 17. I found enough of a sample, the only two blowouts int hose two weeks, to prove the point. With the game in hand, LT was in the game. You claim righteous indignation because the Pats do it, but in the Chargers case fall back behind their inabiliity to blow people out week in and out.

Did you show an example when LT had 9 touches after the Chargers were up 38-0? Didn't think so. Not comparable.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Seems we were having this conversation just a few weeks ago, doesn't it?

Last few weeks, the Pats have jumped out to 30+ point leads in/around the 3rd quarter. Logic would suggest that, with their defense, a lead of 30 points is probably sufficient with less than 1/3 of the game remaining; yet, Belichick has kept Brady, Moss, etc. in the game in these situations.Not only is this poor sportsmanship, but I think Belichick is putting his players in jeopardy by playing them under these circumstances. Not only are they still playing a dangerous game, they are playing against players who are losing (badly) and extremely frustrated. It won't be long before somebody gets 'irritated' and takes a cheap shot on a marquis player out of frustration in such a situation...if that player gets hurt, I point the finger (the middle one) at Belichick, not the guy who laid the hit on the player.

 

[Tau837]

Same old same old.

 

[Phase of the Game]

The Patriots are just a machine right now and they are rolling!