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proninja said:
irishidiot said:
I'm in for Ben. He makes sense, especially concerning the black's problems. He was raised in Detroit with no daddy so he certainly understands a lot of the inner city turmoil.. He is also NOT a career politician which reads great on his resume.

Give the guy a listen regardless of your political persuasion. I think you will be surprised.

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He makes sense because of how bad most black people are? And you're excited for giving him a job in a field in which he has no experience, and you view that as a positive?

You and I view things very differently. He definitely seems like someone I'd want to hire as a pediatric neurosurgeon, however.
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There is over 9000 years of collective experience in congress. How's that working out?

 
He is in so far over his head, it's comical.

Though my opinion is influenced by his horrific conduct toward my friend when his newborn son needed lifesaving neurosurgery. He doesn't accept any insurance and won't even consult until you've signed on the bottom line to pay whatever he charges. Fortunately there are many brilliant doctors at Johns Hopkins, most with common human decency

 
The_Man said:
He is in so far over his head, it's comical.

Though my opinion is influenced by his horrific conduct toward my friend when his newborn son needed lifesaving neurosurgery. He doesn't accept any insurance and won't even consult until you've signed on the bottom line to pay whatever he charges. Fortunately there are many brilliant doctors at Johns Hopkins, most with common human decency
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He doesn't accept insurance? That's crazy if true. I guess he only operates on the ridiculously wealthy?

 
bigbottom said:
The_Man said:
He is in so far over his head, it's comical.

Though my opinion is influenced by his horrific conduct toward my friend when his newborn son needed lifesaving neurosurgery. He doesn't accept any insurance and won't even consult until you've signed on the bottom line to pay whatever he charges. Fortunately there are many brilliant doctors at Johns Hopkins, most with common human decency
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He doesn't accept insurance? That's crazy if true. I guess he only operates on the ridiculously wealthy?
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If that were true I think we would have heard about it already.

 
Carson's favorability in Iowa is now +71 and he is polling in second place, behind Donald Trump 23-18. No other candidate is in double digits.

Time to kick Iowa out of the Union. Is that something we can put up for a vote?

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
bigbottom said:
The_Man said:
He is in so far over his head, it's comical.

Though my opinion is influenced by his horrific conduct toward my friend when his newborn son needed lifesaving neurosurgery. He doesn't accept any insurance and won't even consult until you've signed on the bottom line to pay whatever he charges. Fortunately there are many brilliant doctors at Johns Hopkins, most with common human decency
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He doesn't accept insurance? That's crazy if true. I guess he only operates on the ridiculously wealthy?
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If that were true I think we would have heard about it already.
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Of course it is true. I am friends with the people this happened to (note that I live in Baltimore). Here are some of the things she posted about it now, she didn't talk about it much a decade ago when it was actually happening and her child's life was in the balance.

I don't like to post negative anythings, but upon finding out that Ben Carson is running for president, I feel compelled to share our experience: When (SON) was born he needed immediate brain surgery and was referred to Carson. Before he would see us, he had his financial planner contact us. He did not take insurance and our son's case wasn't interesting enough for him to consider taking on without payment in full (as arranged by his thoughtfully provided financial consultant. In case you are wondering, brain surgery is not affordable) .. I can't begin to describe the shock and horror I felt when this "hero" made it clear he wouldn't help us without money being his first consideration. I was recovering from an emergency c-section in the NICU with a critically ill infant. ... When we asked why he didn't take insurance, we were told he was making "a political statement."

 
The_Man said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
bigbottom said:
The_Man said:
He is in so far over his head, it's comical.

Though my opinion is influenced by his horrific conduct toward my friend when his newborn son needed lifesaving neurosurgery. He doesn't accept any insurance and won't even consult until you've signed on the bottom line to pay whatever he charges. Fortunately there are many brilliant doctors at Johns Hopkins, most with common human decency
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He doesn't accept insurance? That's crazy if true. I guess he only operates on the ridiculously wealthy?
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If that were true I think we would have heard about it already.
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Of course it is true. I am friends with the people this happened to (note that I live in Baltimore). Here are some of the things she posted about it now, she didn't talk about it much a decade ago when it was actually happening and her child's life was in the balance.

I don't like to post negative anythings, but upon finding out that Ben Carson is running for president, I feel compelled to share our experience: When (SON) was born he needed immediate brain surgery and was referred to Carson. Before he would see us, he had his financial planner contact us. He did not take insurance and our son's case wasn't interesting enough for him to consider taking on without payment in full (as arranged by his thoughtfully provided financial consultant. In case you are wondering, brain surgery is not affordable) .. I can't begin to describe the shock and horror I felt when this "hero" made it clear he wouldn't help us without money being his first consideration. I was recovering from an emergency c-section in the NICU with a critically ill infant. ... When we asked why he didn't take insurance, we were told he was making "a political statement."
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BS meter pegs on this one. More like they didn't have insurance and he wanted payment first.

 
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Don't know if that story is true or not and even if it is it might not be the whole truth. It's irrelevant to the question of whether or not he'll be a good President. But then again so many things are these days.

Carson, IMO, is unsuited to be President because of his extreme views on abortion, health care, and homosexuality. That such a far out ideologue, without any political experience whatsoever, is doing so well is a sign of our scary times.

 
You guys are too much. This isn't friend of a friend stuff, this is exactly what happened to a good friend of mine (and former coworker, FYI, so I know he not only has medical insurance, it's very good).

Do you think I've been a poster here for more than 15 years just waiting for the chance to make up a story and slag Ben Carson if/when he ever decided to run for President?

My friend's kid was born needing immediate neurosurgery to survive. Being in Baltimore, of course they went to Carson first, because of his reputation. And that's when they learned that he was no longer accepting medical insurance. So they found another Hopkins pediatric neurosurgeon - who does accept insurance who provided the surgery - and who has consulted with them on their child's care over the last decade as they continue to deal with his medical issues.

Hey, it's a free country. By the time of this incident, Carson was a superstar doctor and could make his own rules. He clearly hates how medical insurance operates in the U.S., and he was in such demand that he could attract full-paying customers rather than accept the lower negotiated rates that insurance pays. But I'll never forget my friend's shock and fear when his son was needing surgery to save his life, and Carson's first move was to refer him to his in-house financial planner to discuss payment arrangements.

 
Carson is the republicans first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.

 
lod01 said:
The_Man said:
Ketamine Dreams said:
bigbottom said:
The_Man said:
He is in so far over his head, it's comical.

Though my opinion is influenced by his horrific conduct toward my friend when his newborn son needed lifesaving neurosurgery. He doesn't accept any insurance and won't even consult until you've signed on the bottom line to pay whatever he charges. Fortunately there are many brilliant doctors at Johns Hopkins, most with common human decency
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He doesn't accept insurance? That's crazy if true. I guess he only operates on the ridiculously wealthy?
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If that were true I think we would have heard about it already.
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Of course it is true. I am friends with the people this happened to (note that I live in Baltimore). Here are some of the things she posted about it now, she didn't talk about it much a decade ago when it was actually happening and her child's life was in the balance.

I don't like to post negative anythings, but upon finding out that Ben Carson is running for president, I feel compelled to share our experience: When (SON) was born he needed immediate brain surgery and was referred to Carson. Before he would see us, he had his financial planner contact us. He did not take insurance and our son's case wasn't interesting enough for him to consider taking on without payment in full (as arranged by his thoughtfully provided financial consultant. In case you are wondering, brain surgery is not affordable) .. I can't begin to describe the shock and horror I felt when this "hero" made it clear he wouldn't help us without money being his first consideration. I was recovering from an emergency c-section in the NICU with a critically ill infant. ... When we asked why he didn't take insurance, we were told he was making "a political statement."
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BS meter pegs on this one. More like they didn't have insurance and he wanted payment first.
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Carson in 2009 regarding insurance providers: [SIZE=medium]The first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies.[/SIZE]

 
The_Man said:
You guys are too much. This isn't friend of a friend stuff, this is exactly what happened to a good friend of mine (and former coworker, FYI, so I know he not only has medical insurance, it's very good).

Do you think I've been a poster here for more than 15 years just waiting for the chance to make up a story and slag Ben Carson if/when he ever decided to run for President?*

My friend's kid was born needing immediate neurosurgery to survive. Being in Baltimore, of course they went to Carson first, because of his reputation. And that's when they learned that he was no longer accepting medical insurance. So they found another Hopkins pediatric neurosurgeon - who does accept insurance who provided the surgery - and who has consulted with them on their child's care over the last decade as they continue to deal with his medical issues.

Hey, it's a free country. By the time of this incident, Carson was a superstar doctor and could make his own rules. He clearly hates how medical insurance operates in the U.S., and he was in such demand that he could attract full-paying customers rather than accept the lower negotiated rates that insurance pays. But I'll never forget my friend's shock and fear when his son was needing surgery to save his life, and Carson's first move was to refer him to his in-house financial planner to discuss payment arrangements.
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* - I have to say, that would be hall of fame level schtick.

Kidding aside, that's an awful story that's very telling about Carson. That's a bedside manner we don't need in this country. It sounds like they got a better doctor in the end.

-QG

 
Why Ben Carson is surging Ben Carson, famous as a neurosurgeon, has never held elective office. And voters find him likeable. In the 2016 presidential race, those qualities matter a lot. By Linda Feldmann, Staff writer August 31, 2015
Washington — Ben Carson, in many ways, is the antithesis of Donald Trump.

Mr. Trump is loud and bombastic; Dr. Carson is low-key and genial. When Trump speaks, he chops his hands in the air as if to enhance his brashness. Carson has calm, steady, surgeon’s hands – “Gifted Hands,” as his memoir is titled. Trump comes across as the aggressively self-confident businessman he is; Carson has the bedside manner of the physician he is.

And they’re both hot properties in the GOP presidential nomination race, ranked one and two nationally, and tied for the lead in the latest poll out of Iowa. Trump and Carson each got 23 percent of the vote among likely Iowa GOP caucus-goers, according to a Monmouth University poll released Monday. Iowa’s Republican caucuses, scheduled for Feb. 2, are the first contest in the 2016 nominating race, and are a crucial test.

The outsider appeal of the three nonpoliticians in the GOP race – Trump, Carson, and Carly Fiorina, former CEO of Hewlett Packard – is well-documented. For Trump and Carson, another common denominator is authenticity. Each is being himself, and in a field packed with career politicians, that’s a plus.

Carson is gaining support because “he’s viewed as principled,” says Republican strategist Ford O’Connell. “Second, he’s widely seen as likeable. And third, he doesn’t talk like a politician. Any time voters hear something that sounds like political double talk, they tune out.”
Carson’s likeability shines in the Des Moines Register/Bloomberg Politics Iowa Poll that came out over the weekend. Among all 17 Republican presidential candidates, Carson ranked first on favorability at 79 percent, with only 8 percent viewing him unfavorably.

In the first Republican debate, held Aug. 8, Trump dominated in every way – both in the coverage of his comments and in the amount of time he consumed (11:14). Carson got about half as much speaking time (6:46) and was seen as almost sleepy, until the end, when he sprang to life and made one of the more memorable statements.

“I’m the only one to separate Siamese twins...,” Carson said, “the only one to operate on babies while they were still in the mother’s womb, the only one to take out half of a brain – although you would think, if you go to Washington, that someone had beat me to it.”

That comment brought down the house. It was probably pre-planned and rehearsed, but Carson delivered it with such ease – and a smile – that Republicans ate it up.

A week later, when the first major post-debate national poll was released, some analysts declared Carson the winner. Fox News showed Carson at 12 percent, up from 7 percent in its pre-debate poll. That’s a 71 percent increase, better than any other candidate.

Another dimension that cannot go unstated is that Carson is African-American, important to Republicans tired of being reminded that they are woefully deficient in their support among minorities. He is, to some, the Republicans’ Barack Obama – and perhaps even more authentically black than President Obama, who grew up in Hawaii and was raised largely by his white mother and her parents.

Carson grew up in Detroit and was raised by a single mother. In early 2013, when Carson burst onto the political scene and lectured Obama in person at the National Prayer Breakfast, he was suddenly all over Fox News. Commentator Ta-Nehisi Coates of The Atlantic called Carson “the Conservative Black Hope of the moment.”

More than two years later, Carson has proved himself to be no mere political flash in the pan. Two weeks ago, some 12,000 people reportedly turned out in Phoenix, Ariz., to hear him speak – more than came to hear Trump at the same venue.

We’re still in the runup to the 2016 primaries. The next Republican debate is Sept. 16, when candidates can expect sharper questions on their policy views. Carson wins strong support from Christian conservative voters – a major force in the Iowa caucuses – for his opposition to same-sex marriage and abortion. Yet earlier this month, he was confronted with – and defended – research he did with fetal tissue several decades ago.

Carson called the revelation of the 1992 paper “desperate,” and suggested to The Washington Post that the brouhaha reflected a lack of understanding about how medical research is conducted.

If Carson continues to rise in the polls, the issue may come back. Or maybe issue positions aren’t the most important element in voter decisions. Maybe being a nonpolitician, and coming across as authentic, is more important.
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QuizGuy66 said:
The_Man said:
You guys are too much. This isn't friend of a friend stuff, this is exactly what happened to a good friend of mine (and former coworker, FYI, so I know he not only has medical insurance, it's very good).

Do you think I've been a poster here for more than 15 years just waiting for the chance to make up a story and slag Ben Carson if/when he ever decided to run for President?*

My friend's kid was born needing immediate neurosurgery to survive. Being in Baltimore, of course they went to Carson first, because of his reputation. And that's when they learned that he was no longer accepting medical insurance. So they found another Hopkins pediatric neurosurgeon - who does accept insurance who provided the surgery - and who has consulted with them on their child's care over the last decade as they continue to deal with his medical issues.

Hey, it's a free country. By the time of this incident, Carson was a superstar doctor and could make his own rules. He clearly hates how medical insurance operates in the U.S., and he was in such demand that he could attract full-paying customers rather than accept the lower negotiated rates that insurance pays. But I'll never forget my friend's shock and fear when his son was needing surgery to save his life, and Carson's first move was to refer him to his in-house financial planner to discuss payment arrangements.
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* - I have to say, that would be hall of fame level schtick.

Kidding aside, that's an awful story that's very telling about Carson. That's a bedside manner we don't need in this country. It sounds like they got a better doctor in the end.

-QG
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I've always believed that their are 3 sides to every story. There is The_man's friends side. There is Ben Carson's side. And then there is the truth, which probably lies somewhere in the middle.

 
joffer said:
Maybe Trump's not so bad
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does trurnp think the earth is 10,000 years old and evolution is a trick god is playing to test your faith?

 
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I feel like I owe Rand Paul a big apology. He was right and I was wrong.

"You look at some of these caves and things out there," Carson told reports. "One drone strike, boom, and they're gone." When pressed on the issue, Carson said, "we do what we need to do to secure the border, whatever that is."

 
Mr. Retukes said:
sublimeone said:
timschochet said:
He says crazy stuff really softly and mildly.
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What crazy stuff does he say?
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"Let's not all jump on the bandwagon of demonizing Ray Rice"
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“And let’s not all jump on the bandwagon of demonizing this guy,” Carson continued. “He obviously has some real problems, and his wife obviously knows that, because she subsequently married him. So they both need some help. So rather than just jumping on a punitive bandwagon, let’s just see if we can get some help for these people.”

 
sublimeone said:
timschochet said:
He says crazy stuff really softly and mildly.
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What crazy stuff does he say?
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1. “You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control.”

2. “Well, my thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality. It doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

3. “There comes a time when people with values simply have to stand up. Think about Nazi Germany. Most of those people did not believe in what Hitler was doing. But did they speak up? Did they stand up for what they believe in? They did not, and you saw what happened.”

4. “Because 9/11 is an isolated incident. Things that are isolated issues as opposed to things that fundamentally change the United Sates of America and shift power from the people to the government. That is a huge shift. You have to take a long-term look at something that fundamentally changes the power structure of America.” [while claiming that Obamacare is worse than 9/11]

5. “A lot of people who go into prison straight, and when they come out they’re gay.”

 
Trying to decide whether he's just an ####### or a condescending "I'm the smartest man in the room" #######.

 
timschochet said:
sublimeone said:
timschochet said:
He says crazy stuff really softly and mildly.
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What crazy stuff does he say?
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1. “You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control.”2. “Well, my thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality. It doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

3. “There comes a time when people with values simply have to stand up. Think about Nazi Germany. Most of those people did not believe in what Hitler was doing. But did they speak up? Did they stand up for what they believe in? They did not, and you saw what happened.”

4. “Because 9/11 is an isolated incident. Things that are isolated issues as opposed to things that fundamentally change the United Sates of America and shift power from the people to the government. That is a huge shift. You have to take a long-term look at something that fundamentally changes the power structure of America.” [while claiming that Obamacare is worse than 9/11]

5. “A lot of people who go into prison straight, and when they come out they’re gay.”

#1: His opinion & I agree with it except for ranking it the worst since slavery.

#2: Barack had the same stance until he "evolved", I think.

#3: Find nothing wrong here.

#4: His opinion & I find nothing wrong with it.

#5: It's true

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irishidiot said:
sublimeone said:
timschochet said:
He says crazy stuff really softly and mildly.
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What crazy stuff does he say?
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1. “You know Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control.”2. “Well, my thoughts are that marriage is between a man and a woman. It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality. It doesn’t matter what they are. They don’t get to change the definition.”

3. “There comes a time when people with values simply have to stand up. Think about Nazi Germany. Most of those people did not believe in what Hitler was doing. But did they speak up? Did they stand up for what they believe in? They did not, and you saw what happened.”

4. “Because 9/11 is an isolated incident. Things that are isolated issues as opposed to things that fundamentally change the United Sates of America and shift power from the people to the government. That is a huge shift. You have to take a long-term look at something that fundamentally changes the power structure of America.” [while claiming that Obamacare is worse than 9/11]

5. “A lot of people who go into prison straight, and when they come out they’re gay.”

#1: His opinion & I agree with it except for ranking it the worst since slavery.

#2: Barack had the same stance until he "evolved", I think.

#3: Find nothing wrong here.

#4: His opinion & I find nothing wrong with it.

#5: It's true

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Sometimes I think I'm unfair to Republicans and I should do a better job giving them the benefit of the doubt. But then I check in with this thread and the McKinley thread and I snap out of it.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
He thinks the earth is 6000 years old, right?
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Not sure, but he's hitting all the high points of religious lunacy here. (ETA to add link - http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ben-carson-evolution-absurd-myth-give-me-break)

In a “Faith & Liberty” interview posted last week, potential GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson discussed his rejection of the theory of evolution, arguing that the science of evolution is a sign of humankind’s arrogance and belief “that they are so smart that if they can’t explain how God did something, then it didn’t happen, which of course means that they’re God. You don’t need a God if you consider yourself capable of explaining everything.”He claimed that “no one has the knowledge” of the age of the earth “based on the Bible,” adding that “carbon dating and all of these things really don’t mean anything to a God who has the ability to create anything at any point in time.”

Carson pointed to the “complexity of the human brain” as proof that evolution is a myth: “Somebody says that came from a slime pit full of promiscuous biochemicals? I don’t think so.”

He said evolution is unable to explain the development of an eyeball: “Give me a break. According to their scheme, it had to occur over night, it had to be there. I instead say, if you have an intelligent creator, what he does is give his creatures the ability to adapt to the environment so he doesn’t have to start over every fifty years creating all over again.”

Carson also said he hopes God will intervene to expose the truth about Obamacare. Arguing that Obamacare will lead people to lose their health coverage — even though the opposite is happening — Carson said he has “prayed to God that he will expose even to people of low information what is going on. Sometimes things have to be so blatant, it’s like hitting them over the head with a two-by-four, before people wake up.”
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OK I just clicked through to the Rasmussen link and apparently they asked people with regard to each candidate whether he/she was "likely" or "very likely" etc. to be the nominee. Seems like a pretty dumb methodology.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
OK I just clicked through to the Rasmussen link and apparently they asked people with regard to each candidate whether he/she was "likely" or "very likely" etc. to be the nominee. Seems like a pretty dumb methodology.
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This method provides an insight into how voters think other voters view the candidate... this is pretty interesting IMO

 
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