***Ben Carson presidential campaign headquarters*** (2 Viewers)

[Green and Gold]

Go ahead and ridicule his life story, the pyramid comments, the paintings in his house etc... nobody cares. Attack his policy positions, his lack of experience etc... you know, legitimate things.

I don't really agree that policy positions are all that count. Part of what I want in a President is somebody who shares my public policy preferences. But a rather big part of what I want in a President is somebody who makes good practical decisions in general.

In job interviews, companies like Microsoft and Google will ask questions like "How many professional piano tuners do you estimate there are in the city of Chicago?" or "What's your estimate of the total volume of the main cabin in a 747?"

Those questions have no more to do with an applicant's prospective duties at Google than the grain-storage-capacity of the pyramids has to do with being President of the United States. But they are relevant and probative questions nonetheless because how a person works through their answer gives us some insight into how they think, how they approach problems.

Similarly, Carson's crazy statements on topics not directly relevant to public policy issues nonetheless give us some insight into his general reasoning and decision-making processes. If those processes seem ... unreliable ... I think that's a good thing to know about him before deciding how to vote.

If I was asked either one of those questions in a job interview I would get up and leave.

No one here would have guessed that you weren't Microsoft or Google material.

Except they don't ask those types of questions anymore, and now call the practice of asking brain teasers during the hiring process 'silly' and 'an awful hiring practice.'

So there's that.

How are those questions "brain teasers?" They just seem to be asking questions about process. I doubt that they care what the answer is, just whether the candidate's process to get there makes sense.

Back when I was hiring tech drones, I did something similar. I'd invent an error and ask the candidate how he or she would troubleshoot the problem. Knowing the solution wasn't the point. It was trying to figure out how the candidate went about finding the solution when he or she didn't already know it.

The definition of brain teaser is, "a problem or puzzle, typically one designed to be solved for amusement." Inventing an error and asking the candidate questions about how they would troubleshoot is definitely a process question, not a brain teaser. Asking how many piano tuners are in Chicago, or the volume of the cabin of a 747 is a brain teaser.

In any case, brain teaser or not, Google has figured out that these types of questions add no value to the interview process. But don't take my word for it, here is an article about it:

Spoiler

"Everyone likes to ask case questions and brain-teasers. It turns out our data shows that doesn't actually predict performance. There's no correlation with your ability to do that," said Laszlo Bock, Google's SVP of People Operations, in an interview with Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byer's partner Beth Seidenberg.

"Part of the reason is that those are tests of a finite skill, rather than flexible intelligence which is what you actually want to hire for," Bock continued.

Google has moved away from the famous brain-teaser questions, Bock has previously noted.

Instead, better questions for Google are structured interview questions that "are not rocket science." To screen for problem-solving, a better question is "Give me an example of a hard problem you solved" so the interviewer can then drill down for specific examples.

"Those kinds of questions are actually predictive of how someone will perform versus what we typically do," Bock said.

 

[B-Deep]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/science/great-pyramid-giza-possible-undiscovered-tomb.html

When they open it up and find Grain there are gonna be a lot of people looking foolish!

lol

 

[Johnnymac]

Go ahead and ridicule his life story, the pyramid comments, the paintings in his house etc... nobody cares. Attack his policy positions, his lack of experience etc... you know, legitimate things.

I don't really agree that policy positions are all that count. Part of what I want in a President is somebody who shares my public policy preferences. But a rather big part of what I want in a President is somebody who makes good practical decisions in general.

In job interviews, companies like Microsoft and Google will ask questions like "How many professional piano tuners do you estimate there are in the city of Chicago?" or "What's your estimate of the total volume of the main cabin in a 747?"

Those questions have no more to do with an applicant's prospective duties at Google than the grain-storage-capacity of the pyramids has to do with being President of the United States. But they are relevant and probative questions nonetheless because how a person works through their answer gives us some insight into how they think, how they approach problems.

Similarly, Carson's crazy statements on topics not directly relevant to public policy issues nonetheless give us some insight into his general reasoning and decision-making processes. If those processes seem ... unreliable ... I think that's a good thing to know about him before deciding how to vote.

If I was asked either one of those questions in a job interview I would get up and leave.

Why?

Because I figure if they are asking me stupid questions like this in a job interview, it is not a place where I would want to work.

So anything that is "way outside the box" or "confusing" you will just walk away from it.

Noted.

Next!

No just stupid questions like the ones mentioned.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/science/great-pyramid-giza-possible-undiscovered-tomb.html

When they open it up and find Grain there are gonna be a lot of people looking foolish!

Could happen. I remember a Ren & Stimpy episode where they cut off the head of the Lincoln Memorial and found out it was full of caramel corn.

 

[bakes]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/12/science/great-pyramid-giza-possible-undiscovered-tomb.html

When they open it up and find Grain there are gonna be a lot of people looking foolish!

Could happen. I remember a Ren & Stimpy episode where they cut off the head of the Lincoln Memorial and found out it was full of caramel corn.

True, but I think that their logic made more sense than Ben's. Happy happy joy joy...

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Have the Palin comparisons started yet? Because they need to.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Have the Palin comparisons started yet? Because they need to.

 

[3C's]

Have the Palin comparisons started yet? Because they need to.

https://scontent.forf1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12239987_976868929036478_8369638669694497917_n.jpg?oh=fe12978e3e0de5704f60b8adbea11788&oe=56AFF9BF

 

[3C's]

So let me get this straight. You're this super smart college kid in an advanced psych class and "...frankly, I had never even heard of the term plagiarism.” Sure, that's the ticket. http://www.salon.com/2015/01/07/conservative_hero_ben_carson_hit_with_plagiarism_scandal/

 

[Johnnymac]

This guy is just so bizarre. It's unbelievable to me that he has any support at all, let alone leading the pack.

 

[bakes]

From an interview with Katie Couric:

Carson was also asked about his lack of foreign policy experience and responded by saying his rivals had very little of their own. “When you look at the field of people — I don’t know of anybody who has a great deal of foreign policy experience who’s running for president right now,” he said.

OK, the former Secretary of State is over on the left side of the dial. Regardless of what you THINK of her experience, to argue she does not have "a great deal of experience" is idiotic.

 

[Rirruto]

From an interview with Katie Couric:

Carson was also asked about his lack of foreign policy experience and responded by saying his rivals had very little of their own. When you look at the field of people I dont know of anybody who has a great deal of foreign policy experience whos running for president right now, he said.

OK, the former Secretary of State is over on the left side of the dial. Regardless of what you THINK of her experience, to argue she does not have "a great deal of experience" is idiotic.

Hell, Rubio and Paul are on Senate Foreign Relations. They know a little more about the world than the crazy doctor.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Have the Palin comparisons started yet? Because they need to.

Does "Palin is worse than slavery" count?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Have the Palin comparisons started yet? Because they need to.

Anybody ask this guy what magazines he reads?

 

[skol asylum]

I'm guessing this has already been pointed out earlier in the thread but does this guy have narcolepsy or something? Caught a few minutes of Dr. Carson on TV the other day and he kept closing his eyes when he was talking. I was waiting for him to pass out.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Have the Palin comparisons started yet? Because they need to.

Anybody ask this guy what magazines he reads?

What's a magazine?

 

[3C's]

But he's so smart!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us/politics/ben-carson-is-struggling-to-grasp-foreign-policy-advisers-say.html?_r=0

 

[krista4]

Ben Carson is a Trump plant to make Trump look more appealing to moderate Republicans, isn't he?

It's working on me (ALERT: not a moderate Republican).

 

[krista4]

Ben Carson is a Trump plant to make Trump look more appealing to moderate Republicans, isn't he?

It's working on me (ALERT: not a moderate Republican).

Me too. I saw the latest national polls with Trump leading, saw Carson in 2nd and Cruz in 3rd and thought to myself "gosh, hope they don't gain any ground" and then caught myself pulling for Trump.

Yep, of those options I'm in for Trump. I don't think he believes a lot of what he spews out and would at least try to surround himself with smart people.

This is not to say I'd vote for Trump under any circumstances. He seems a whole lot less scary to me than Carson or Cruz, though

 

[Buckfast 1]

Trevor Noah had a good segment on the Daily Show last night about Ben Carson's ignorance of basic foreign policy concepts last night. He referenced a comment that Ben Carson made earlier this year about his proposed solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I think it is worth re-visiting now that Carson has become one of the leading candidates for the GOP.

Carson also weighed in on the Israeli election and the possibility of establishing a Palestinian state. “We need to look at fresh ideas,” he says, which is something that politicians who aren’t familiar with the details over a certain issue like to say. What sort of innovative think-leadership would Carson bring to the Israel-Palestine conflict?

“We need to look at fresh ideas,” said Carson. “I don’t have any problem with the Palestinians having a state, but does it need to be within the confines of Israeli territory? Is that necessary, or can you sort of slip that area down into Egypt? Right below Israel, they have some amount of territory, and it can be adjacent. They can benefit from the many agricultural advances that were made by Israel, because if you fly over that area, you can easily see the demarcation between Egypt and Israel, in terms of one being desert and one being verdant. Technology could transform that area. So why does it need to be in an area where there’s going to be temptation for Hamas to continue firing missiles at relatively close range to Israel?”

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/20/ben_carsons_fresh_foreign_policy_just_sort_of_slip_palestinians_down_to_egypt/

 

[joffer]

Trevor Noah had a good segment on the Daily Show last night about Ben Carson's ignorance of basic foreign policy concepts last night. He referenced a comment that Ben Carson made earlier this year about his proposed solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I think it is worth re-visiting now that Carson has become one of the leading candidates for the GOP.

Carson also weighed in on the Israeli election and the possibility of establishing a Palestinian state. “We need to look at fresh ideas,” he says, which is something that politicians who aren’t familiar with the details over a certain issue like to say. What sort of innovative think-leadership would Carson bring to the Israel-Palestine conflict?

“We need to look at fresh ideas,” said Carson. “I don’t have any problem with the Palestinians having a state, but does it need to be within the confines of Israeli territory? Is that necessary, or can you sort of slip that area down into Egypt? Right below Israel, they have some amount of territory, and it can be adjacent. They can benefit from the many agricultural advances that were made by Israel, because if you fly over that area, you can easily see the demarcation between Egypt and Israel, in terms of one being desert and one being verdant. Technology could transform that area. So why does it need to be in an area where there’s going to be temptation for Hamas to continue firing missiles at relatively close range to Israel?”

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/20/ben_carsons_fresh_foreign_policy_just_sort_of_slip_palestinians_down_to_egypt/

hes got a good point. Maybe they'll take some land in the Australian outback? Siberia? I mean why does it have to be in Israel.

 

[Apple Jack]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/18/ben-carsons-campaign-made-a-u-s-map-and-put-a-bunch-of-states-in-the-wrong-place/

 

[BigSteelThrill]

JFC...

Ben Carson... was telling the story of wealthy Jewish merchant Haym Salomon, who is said to have been a major financier of George Washington’s troops during the Revolutionary War.

"Salomon gave all his funds to save the U.S. Army and, some say, no one knows for sure, that’s the reason there’s a Star of David on the back of the one dollar bill," Carson said in Washington, D.C on December 3rd 2015.

Only one problem: There’s no Star of David on the dollar bill.

 

[AnonymousBob]

JFC...

Ben Carson... was telling the story of wealthy Jewish merchant Haym Salomon, who is said to have been a major financier of George Washington’s troops during the Revolutionary War.

"Salomon gave all his funds to save the U.S. Army and, some say, no one knows for sure, that’s the reason there’s a Star of David on the back of the one dollar bill," Carson said in Washington, D.C on December 3rd 2015.

Only one problem: There’s no Star of David on the dollar bill.

No one knows for sure!

 

[[scooter]]

JFC...

Ben Carson... was telling the story of wealthy Jewish merchant Haym Salomon, who is said to have been a major financier of George Washington’s troops during the Revolutionary War.

"Salomon gave all his funds to save the U.S. Army and, some say, no one knows for sure, that’s the reason there’s a Star of David on the back of the one dollar bill," Carson said in Washington, D.C on December 3rd 2015.

Only one problem: There’s no Star of David on the dollar bill.

Eh, I'll give Carson a pass on that. He's got the right Jew but the wrong symbol.

"It is alleged that George Washington requested the stars on the Great Seal to be put in the shape of a hexagram...as a way of thanking the Jewish patriot Haym Salomon"

 

[BigSteelThrill]

However you want to slice it, it is not the star of david.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

He also repeatedly said "hummus" instead of "Hamas" during his speech. Good stuff.

 

[3C's]

Dammit, now I want some hummus.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

He also repeated said "hummus" instead of "Hamas" during his speech. Good stuff.

It's a delicious appetizer and a terrorist organization, all in one!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

JFC...

Ben Carson... was telling the story of wealthy Jewish merchant Haym Salomon, who is said to have been a major financier of George Washington’s troops during the Revolutionary War.

"Salomon gave all his funds to save the U.S. Army and, some say, no one knows for sure, that’s the reason there’s a Star of David on the back of the one dollar bill," Carson said in Washington, D.C on December 3rd 2015.

Only one problem: There’s no Star of David on the dollar bill.

Eh, I'll give Carson a pass on that. He's got the right Jew but the wrong symbol.

"It is alleged that George Washington requested the stars on the Great Seal to be put in the shape of a hexagram...as a way of thanking the Jewish patriot Haym Salomon"

However you want to slice it, it is not the star of david.

We should look at the full linked sentence...

It is alleged that George Washington requested the stars on the Great Seal to be put in the shape of a hexagram because that's also the shape of the Star of David – supposedly as a way of thanking the Jewish patriot Haym Salomon for his service to the country, particularly his financial help during the Revolution. But this story is only a legend with no evidence to support it.

I'd love to call Carson a loon for this but based on the link anyway it seems like a plausible claim, especially as he says 'no one knows'. Fun little trivia about the dollar bill really. It's probably more realistic that the engraver was trying to fit the stars into a circle though.

 

[3C's]

This thread petered out about as much as his nomination hopes. Well, fire it back up, he's released his spectacular medical plan of many colors. https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/12/14/ben-carson-prescription-for-health-reform/qegOZjztmhdhNFnfLY3BMJ/story.html

 

[Joe Summer]

He claimed that the negative media attention was hurting his poll numbers. So the media backed off and then his poll numbers tanked.

 

[avoiding injuries]

His moment of silence was awkward and forced. Then he used 1/4 of his first minute to complain that he hadn't had a chance to talk.

 

[joffer]

What do we have for a parting gift?

 

[McGarnicle]

By all accounts he's a quality neurosurgeon, which is nice.

 

[Fennis]

What do we have for a parting gift?

millions of books sold for many years to come. Mission Accomplished

 

[Fennis]

What do we have for a parting gift?

millions of books sold for many years to come. Mission Accomplished

Audiobook sales lagging, however

................................................................................<sigh>............................................. <eyes closed>.....................................................................<exhale>...................................................................................................................................................................................................Chapt...................................................er..............................................................................................................................One

 

[flapgreen]

I love this man. Great human being

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Every post is the last post in the thread for at least a little while.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

So this mirage has pretty much dissipated, yeah?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I love this man. Great human being

You two are a perfect couple.

 

[[scooter]]

 

[Eminence]

He needed to continue to be crazy, that was his appeal. You get the black vote and whatever whacky shenanigans pops up in his head.

I'd like to see him as VP to Trump. Would help with the black vote.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

He needed to continue to be crazy, that was his appeal. You get the black vote and whatever whacky shenanigans pops up in his head.

I'd like to see him as VP to Trump. Would help with the black vote.

Dont think he was just going to "get" that.

 

[Eminence]

He needed to continue to be crazy, that was his appeal. You get the black vote and whatever whacky shenanigans pops up in his head.

I'd like to see him as VP to Trump. Would help with the black vote.

Dont think he was just going to "get" that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWPoW0wootQ

 

[3C's]

Well, guess we'll have to put up with him for a little longer. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/carson-raises-impressive-23-million-fourth-quarter-n488306

 

[QuizGuy66]

Well, guess we'll have to put up with him for a little longer. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/carson-raises-impressive-23-million-fourth-quarter-n488306

The same people would probably buy one of these for $200,000: http://www.cars.com/yugo/gv/1990/consumer-reviews/

-QG

 

[AnonymousBob]

Ben Carson's Campaign Manager and Communications Director just resigned.

Just days ago:

Carson's comments in two interviews last week were interpreted to suggest that he has been considering major "personnel changes," leading him to issue a statement saying he had "100 percent confidence" in his team.

 

[General Malaise]

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ben Carson's Campaign Manager and Communications Director just resigned.

Wow. I'm guessing he does none of what they recommend.