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Ben Utecht (1 Viewer)

It should be an interesting situation. However, Cinci already has 3 good WR options. I can't imagine him breaking into the top 20 TEs.

Kelly was never a real threat, but that Bengals Offense never gets the TE involved. Even with Henry missing half the season, Kelly only had 15 receptions.

 
I don't believe Cincy throws to their TE very often, but that's probably because they haven't had anyone worth throwing to. Utecht can stretch the field, and he has good hands, BUT, he doesn't tolerate pain very well. The slightest bump and he has to leave the game. That I do know, and it got to the point when he went down that I would shout at the TV and say, "just roll him off the field already".

My prediction: 40 receptions / 400 yds / 2 tds.

 
Weiner Dog said:
Assuming Indy does not match Cincy's offer, what type of numbers do you think Utecht can post??
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;) It's Cinci we're talking about, right? :yawn: I mean the TE postion in Cinci, right? :yawn: I guess someone have to fill the 20-32 spots on the TE rankings.
 
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Even though my expectations are tempered, I am intrigued by Utecht. The Bengals' 3-year, $9mm deal all but assures him the starting job. With that being said, he will be no better than the 4th receiving option (...until Henry gets in trouble again).

Utecht was a WR in college before converting to TE. He has solid hands and is a "receiver" first and "blocker" second. I do, however, worry about his injury history which dates back to his college days.

Utecht has topped 30 receptions for 350+ yards each of the past two seasons as the #2 TE for the Colts. I would certainly not be surprised if he tops 45 receptions for 500 yards in Cincy.

 
16 weeks, 3.5 catches a game...........56 catches

11.3 per reception average in Indy, temper that a bit and put it to about 9.5, so 530 yards

add in about 5 tds given that he's big and athletic enough to be a red zone target

so my prediction is 56 receptions, 530 yards, 5 tds......so about top 15 range.

 
pinda said:
16 weeks, 3.5 catches a game...........56 catches11.3 per reception average in Indy, temper that a bit and put it to about 9.5, so 530 yardsadd in about 5 tds given that he's big and athletic enough to be a red zone target so my prediction is 56 receptions, 530 yards, 5 tds......so about top 15 range.
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Pretty decent jump from the 20-21 catches Kelly's averaged the last few seasons.Curious, which WR's numbers do you see suffering from an increase like this?
 
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LionsFan78 said:
pinda said:
16 weeks, 3.5 catches a game...........56 catches11.3 per reception average in Indy, temper that a bit and put it to about 9.5, so 530 yardsadd in about 5 tds given that he's big and athletic enough to be a red zone target so my prediction is 56 receptions, 530 yards, 5 tds......so about top 15 range.
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Pretty decent jump from the 20-21 catches Kelly's averaged the last few seasons.Curious, which WR's numbers do you see suffering from an increase like this?
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I watched a lot of Cincy this year just out of frustration of Housh taking so many catches away from Chad. A lot of Housh's catches were short routes in the middle, especially TD passes. If you sign a guy to 3 million per year, and he's never been a great blocker before, you obviously have some plans for him. I think he takes away from Housh for sure, as well as seeing a drop in Henry's and 3rd down RB catches. I could see Housh down 10 catches, more in the high 90 range. Henry down about 5-6 and another 10+ from the 65 catches the RBs (Watson/Johnson) made. That gets him roughly in the 48-56 reception range. There's still Chapman's 19 receptions, Daniel Coats (TE) 12 receptions sitting there. So Kelly had 20/21 yes, but the TEs had roughly 32/33 so to find 20 more receptions shouldn't be that difficult. Roughly 1 extra catch per game. In 2006, very similar with about 40 receptions going to the TEs, and then in 2005 37 going to the TEs with 49 if you consider Jeremi Johnson. Obviously it's a huge assumption that Utecht will get all those, but given the contract and his specialy, it's fair to think he'll get the lion's share of those existing catches.If CJ is eventually traded, then all bets are off and I think Utecht benefits from that.I know you can look at Kelly's numbers and say that's quite a jump over his, but is Kelly really a pass catching TE? Have the Bengals ever had a true pass catching TE.
 
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pinda said:
LionsFan78 said:
pinda said:
16 weeks, 3.5 catches a game...........56 catches11.3 per reception average in Indy, temper that a bit and put it to about 9.5, so 530 yardsadd in about 5 tds given that he's big and athletic enough to be a red zone target so my prediction is 56 receptions, 530 yards, 5 tds......so about top 15 range.
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Pretty decent jump from the 20-21 catches Kelly's averaged the last few seasons.Curious, which WR's numbers do you see suffering from an increase like this?
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I watched a lot of Cincy this year just out of frustration of Housh taking so many catches away from Chad. A lot of Housh's catches were short routes in the middle, especially TD passes. If you sign a guy to 3 million per year, and he's never been a great blocker before, you obviously have some plans for him. I think he takes away from Housh for sure, as well as seeing a drop in Henry's and 3rd down RB catches. I could see Housh down 10 catches, more in the high 90 range. Henry down about 5-6 and another 10+ from the 65 catches the RBs (Watson/Johnson) made. That gets him roughly in the 48-56 reception range. There's still Chapman's 19 receptions, Daniel Coats (TE) 12 receptions sitting there. So Kelly had 20/21 yes, but the TEs had roughly 32/33 so to find 20 more receptions shouldn't be that difficult. Roughly 1 extra catch per game. In 2006, very similar with about 40 receptions going to the TEs, and then in 2005 37 going to the TEs with 49 if you consider Jeremi Johnson. Obviously it's a huge assumption that Utecht will get all those, but given the contract and his specialy, it's fair to think he'll get the lion's share of those existing catches.If CJ is eventually traded, then all bets are off and I think Utecht benefits from that.I know you can look at Kelly's numbers and say that's quite a jump over his, but is Kelly really a pass catching TE? Have the Bengals ever had a true pass catching TE.
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Kelly is not known for his receiving. His specialty is blocking.
 
pinda said:
16 weeks, 3.5 catches a game...........56 catches11.3 per reception average in Indy, temper that a bit and put it to about 9.5, so 530 yardsadd in about 5 tds given that he's big and athletic enough to be a red zone target so my prediction is 56 receptions, 530 yards, 5 tds......so about top 15 range.
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As a Bengals fan, I think this is the most reasonable projection. He's going to get a lot of the safety valve stuff that has been going to RBs. Kelly will be used for his blocking (which he pretty much already was). I think it will add a different wrinkle to how the offense operates.-QG
 
pinda said:
I know you can look at Kelly's numbers and say that's quite a jump over his, but is Kelly really a pass catching TE? Have the Bengals ever had a true pass catching TE.
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Kelly isn't a pass catching TE; he's a stellar run blocking TE and is an asset in max protection. Last time there was a TE who was better than a below average receiver was Tony McGee some years ago. Once upon a time, the team had guys like Rodney Holman and Dan Ross and Bob Trumpy, but those days are well in the past.
 
The Colts have until midnight to match. No news is good news for Utecht owners (...and Utecht himself, for that matter).

:X

 
Since 2000, the highest point total for a TE in Cincy was 45 points. I personally don't see why importing Utecht suddenly would equal big fantasy numbers from a position that was mostly ignored.

 
David Yudkin said:
Since 2000, the highest point total for a TE in Cincy was 45 points. I personally don't see why importing Utecht suddenly would equal big fantasy numbers from a position that was mostly ignored.
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While we're playing the stat game, I think it's relevant to note that Utecht...as the Colts #2 TE...posted both more receptions & yards in each of the past two seasons than any Bengals TE has posted over the past decade. There's reason for optimism. A different-colored uniform will not erase Utecht's ability to catch the ball.
 
Weiner Dog said:
David Yudkin said:
Since 2000, the highest point total for a TE in Cincy was 45 points. I personally don't see why importing Utecht suddenly would equal big fantasy numbers from a position that was mostly ignored.
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While we're playing the stat game, I think it's relevant to note that Utecht...as the Colts #2 TE...posted both more receptions & yards in each of the past two seasons than any Bengals TE has posted over the past decade. There's reason for optimism. A different-colored uniform will not erase Utecht's ability to catch the ball.
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While I have no argument about how he did in IND, I am not sure that the Bengals are going to revamp their playbook to accomodate Utecht.Receptions by TE in IND98: 5699: 7400: 7701: 7902: 5503: 7204: 5805: 6006: 8507: 107Receptions by TE in CIN98: 3699: 4100: 4201: 2902: 2803: 5804: 4605: 3706: 3507: 32IND has had several TEs rotate through their system . . . and have continued to maintain very good TE production. CIN has had several TEs go through their system over the years . . . and they have not had much TE production.Now, had CIN gone out and signed a Gonzalez or Gates, then maybe I could see an uptick in their TE targets and receptions. But IMO the Bengals TE production has paled in comparison to that of the Colts.
 
David Yudkin said:
While I have no argument about how he did in IND, I am not sure that the Bengals are going to revamp their playbook to accomodate Utecht.Receptions by TE in IND05: 6006: 8507: 107Receptions by TE in CIN02: 2803: 58
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It doesn't look like it requires an overhaul to the playbook to get the TE a few more catches. In 2 years, Indy's TEs increased their catches by 80%. Cincy more than doubled in one year. If they have the player, they'll find a way to use him.
 
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Weiner Dog said:
David Yudkin said:
Since 2000, the highest point total for a TE in Cincy was 45 points. I personally don't see why importing Utecht suddenly would equal big fantasy numbers from a position that was mostly ignored.
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While we're playing the stat game, I think it's relevant to note that Utecht...as the Colts #2 TE...posted both more receptions & yards in each of the past two seasons than any Bengals TE has posted over the past decade. There's reason for optimism. A different-colored uniform will not erase Utecht's ability to catch the ball.
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A different colored uniform will also not erase Utecht's ability to deal with pain.
 
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JohnnyU said:
Weiner Dog said:
David Yudkin said:
Since 2000, the highest point total for a TE in Cincy was 45 points. I personally don't see why importing Utecht suddenly would equal big fantasy numbers from a position that was mostly ignored.
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While we're playing the stat game, I think it's relevant to note that Utecht...as the Colts #2 TE...posted both more receptions & yards in each of the past two seasons than any Bengals TE has posted over the past decade. There's reason for optimism. A different-colored uniform will not erase Utecht's ability to catch the ball.
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A different colored uniform will also not erase Utecht's ability to deal with pain.
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:blackdot: The guy has missed a whopping 3 games over the past 2 seasons.

 
Weiner Dog said:
JohnnyU said:
Weiner Dog said:
David Yudkin said:
Since 2000, the highest point total for a TE in Cincy was 45 points. I personally don't see why importing Utecht suddenly would equal big fantasy numbers from a position that was mostly ignored.
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While we're playing the stat game, I think it's relevant to note that Utecht...as the Colts #2 TE...posted both more receptions & yards in each of the past two seasons than any Bengals TE has posted over the past decade. There's reason for optimism. A different-colored uniform will not erase Utecht's ability to catch the ball.
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A different colored uniform will also not erase Utecht's ability to deal with pain.
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:mellow: The guy has missed a whopping 3 games over the past 2 seasons.
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You're missing a very important point. He has to come off the field several times a game due to bumps and bruises, and disappears for long stretches because of it. As a Colts fan, I can't tell you how frustrating it is to look and see that it's Utecht down on the field again. Whenever the announcer says someone is down, I look over at my wife and say, "I'll lay 3 to 1 that it's Utecht".
 
Nobody has addressed the fact that he signed for pretty big money if it's going to be a "traditional Cincy TE". 3 million a year for 30 catches, that's quite expensive, $100,000 a catch.

Given the Cincy TE situation and given the money that was handed out, I'll stick with my original prediction, 48-56 receptions, in the range of 460-530 yards range with about 4/5 tds.

 
pinda said:
Nobody has addressed the fact that he signed for pretty big money if it's going to be a "traditional Cincy TE". 3 million a year for 30 catches, that's quite expensive, $100,000 a catch. Given the Cincy TE situation and given the money that was handed out, I'll stick with my original prediction, 48-56 receptions, in the range of 460-530 yards range with about 4/5 tds.
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As you can tell, I'm a Utecht supporter. With that being said, I do have to admit that a 3-year-$9mm deal is not exactly top-dollar for a TE. Reggie Kelly, the current blocking-TE for the Bengals, signed the same exact contract last year.I don't think anybody is pimping a 60-700-8 season for Utecht, but I do think 50-550-5 is doable. He won't be making $3mm per season to play in only situational settings.
 
With Henry placed on a deserted island, Utecht could get an upgrade.

link:

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6711

Bratkowski points to what now seems to be the fortuitous signing of Ben Utecht, a pass-catching tight end that allows the Bengals to use more double tight-end sets in place of three-receiver formations.

"That's one place to look. A guy that can catch the ball over the middle," he said.

 
Weiner Dog said:
With Henry placed on a deserted island, Utecht could get an upgrade.

link:

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6711

Bratkowski points to what now seems to be the fortuitous signing of Ben Utecht, a pass-catching tight end that allows the Bengals to use more double tight-end sets in place of three-receiver formations.

"That's one place to look. A guy that can catch the ball over the middle," he said.
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It would seemingly help with the run game as well, but I'm not sure how good Utecht is at blocking.
 
Ben's pass catching / vertical running ability isn't even close to Henry's... however, I like Ben to be in the top 15 of Non-PPR TEs

 
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