The Psychology Behind Trading (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

My guess is they are talking about both, giving an example. But yes, it has gotten more specific than you would like.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

My guess is they are talking about both, giving an example. But yes, it has gotten more specific than you would like.

I'm not seeing both there. I am seeing a conflation of two things; one entirely unrelated to the general idea that "Any interest in Chase Brown?"* is a means to start a dialogue.


*To reiterate I would prefer to see that opener with the "...I am looking for a WR/TE [whatever] in return." attached but it's hardly a deal breaker if they don't.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

For McLaurin, DK, or Hill. I would send him a 1:1 offer since I consider his question an offer. If he tries to squeeze more value out of me, I'm probably out and not playing his games.

Third example would get a LOL. Just send you Brown for player X.

 

[OnTheReg]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Correct - because each one of us has encountered many people over the years who ask that very vague 'any interest in XYZ' question without much follow-up, and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe you've had way better luck than us when someone asks if you have any interest in a player.

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

By now I’m either done with the games and not responding or telling him make an offer and then refusing to reply again until a serious offer comes.

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Correct - because each one of us has encountered many people over the years who ask that very vague 'any interest in XYZ' question without much follow-up, and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe you've had way better luck than us when someone asks if you have any interest in a player.

IDK if I have had better luck. What I do know is that I would never send "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" without the intent to work out a deal, if possible.

To judge everyone by the standard that there are some annoying people who only want to "win" trades or don't follow through seems odd. I understand if you have known a guy for years in the same league but, for example: If you joined one of the three FBG Home Leagues (Numero Uno, Junior Varsity & Amateur Hour) this year (or any startup league) would you treat "Any interest in Chase Brown?" the with that same level of annoyance/disdain?

I guess I just find the logic limiting.

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

By now I’m either done with the games and not responding or telling him make an offer and then refusing to reply again until a serious offer comes.

So you don't consider either of those options valid responses?

 

[smbkrypt24]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Correct - because each one of us has encountered many people over the years who ask that very vague 'any interest in XYZ' question without much follow-up, and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe you've had way better luck than us when someone asks if you have any interest in a player.

IDK if I have had better luck. What I do know is that I would never send "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" without the intent to work out a deal, if possible.

To judge everyone by the standard that there are some annoying people who only want to "win" trades or don't follow through seems odd. I understand if you have known a guy for years in the same league but, for example: If you joined one of the three FBG Home Leagues (Numero Uno, Junior Varsity & Amateur Hour) this year (or any startup league) would you treat "Any interest in Chase Brown?" the with that same level of annoyance/disdain?

I guess I just find the logic limiting.

I know I am just jumping in, but in your example I would absolutely entertain that "any interest in Chase Brown" in a new league I joined. It just hasn't worked in any league I have done for the past 16 years.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

By now I’m either done with the games and not responding or telling him make an offer and then refusing to reply again until a serious offer comes.

So you don't consider either of those options valid responses?

A is fishing and wants me to do the work for them. B is valid if you haven’t already asked something similar four times.

 

[OnTheReg]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Correct - because each one of us has encountered many people over the years who ask that very vague 'any interest in XYZ' question without much follow-up, and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe you've had way better luck than us when someone asks if you have any interest in a player.

IDK if I have had better luck. What I do know is that I would never send "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" without the intent to work out a deal, if possible.

To judge everyone by the standard that there are some annoying people who only want to "win" trades or don't follow through seems odd. I understand if you have known a guy for years in the same league but, for example: If you joined one of the three FBG Home Leagues (Numero Uno, Junior Varsity & Amateur Hour) this year (or any startup league) would you treat "Any interest in Chase Brown?" the with that same level of annoyance/disdain?

I guess I just find the logic limiting.

No, if I was in a FBG home league and someone sent me 'any interest in' I would of course entertain it. I am speaking from my personal history in my home leagues with friends; this is the type of thing I have run into.

 

[Gottabesweet]

In a long time in person league. I think many that don’t trade see the success of those more often than not that do and then avoid those people. I love trading, we are a short bench league but after having some success the amount of people that deal with me is like 3/4 out of 12. Then another 3/4 that’ll deal with eachother and the last third doesn’t trade at all or one trade every 5-7 years. It’s frustrating at times.

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Correct - because each one of us has encountered many people over the years who ask that very vague 'any interest in XYZ' question without much follow-up, and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe you've had way better luck than us when someone asks if you have any interest in a player.

IDK if I have had better luck. What I do know is that I would never send "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" without the intent to work out a deal, if possible.

To judge everyone by the standard that there are some annoying people who only want to "win" trades or don't follow through seems odd. I understand if you have known a guy for years in the same league but, for example: If you joined one of the three FBG Home Leagues (Numero Uno, Junior Varsity & Amateur Hour) this year (or any startup league) would you treat "Any interest in Chase Brown?" the with that same level of annoyance/disdain?

I guess I just find the logic limiting.

I know I am just jumping in, but in your example I would absolutely entertain that "any interest in Chase Brown" in a new league I joined. It just hasn't worked in any league I have done for the past 16 years.

I get that, for sure. I played in one league only for almost 30 years and there a few guys who are tough to trade with. But it doesn't stop me from trying.

Joining the FBG Home League last year was a really nice change of pace because I didn't know how those guys operate.

I think it is pretty obvious from my posts in here that I am a guy who would send an "Any interest in Chase Brown?" feeler out, but I would always have the framework of a deal in mind and would never ghost anyone after my initial contact.

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

By now I’m either done with the games and not responding or telling him make an offer and then refusing to reply again until a serious offer comes.

So you don't consider either of those options valid responses?

A is fishing and wants me to do the work for them. B is valid if you haven’t already asked something similar four times.

A) is not fishing in the least. Who hurt you?

I'm kidding, but in my experience you stand just as much chance of ending a negotiation before it begins with an offer you think is truly fair but the other guy finds offensive.

I may think McLaurin for Brown is 100% fair but you may think McLaurin is worth Henry. Nothing wrong with saying DK and Tyreek are on the table but McLaurin isn't. Rather than playing guessing games it doesn't hurt to let someone know "For Brown, I would consider (maybe possibly) DK or Tyreek but McLaurin is off the table."

You complain about someone asking you to do all the work but, you're asking them to do the same. Is the premise that if someone initiates trade talks they need to do all the work?

 

[Chaka]

In a long time in person league. I think many that don’t trade see the success of those more often than not that do and then avoid those people. I love trading, we are a short bench league but after having some success the amount of people that deal with me is like 3/4 out of 12. Then another 3/4 that’ll deal with eachother and the last third doesn’t trade at all or one trade every 5-7 years. It’s frustrating at times.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

By now I’m either done with the games and not responding or telling him make an offer and then refusing to reply again until a serious offer comes.

So you don't consider either of those options valid responses?

A is fishing and wants me to do the work for them. B is valid if you haven’t already asked something similar four times.

A) is not fishing in the least. Who hurt you?

I'm kidding, but in my experience you stand just as much chance of ending a negotiation before it begins with an offer you think is truly fair but the other guy finds offensive.

I may think McLaurin for Brown is 100% fair but you may think McLaurin is worth Henry. Nothing wrong with saying DK and Tyreek are on the table but McLaurin isn't. Rather than playing guessing games it doesn't hurt to let someone know "For Brown, I would consider (maybe possibly) DK or Tyreek but McLaurin is off the table."

You complain about someone asking you to do all the work but, you're asking them to do the same. Is the premise that if someone initiates trade talks they need to do all the work?

I think they need to do the initial work. Put together something they think is fair and if they want to discuss other players that is fine. Like offer Chase Brown for McLaurin and say they would be willing to discuss DK or Tyreek too if McLaurin isn't available. Much better starting point for a discussion than "what do you want for" and stuff like that.

If they fish with me with a guy I would love to have I might be motivated to do some initial work for them at that point knowing he's available. That's such a rare case though.

 

[smbkrypt24]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Correct - because each one of us has encountered many people over the years who ask that very vague 'any interest in XYZ' question without much follow-up, and it doesn't go anywhere. Maybe you've had way better luck than us when someone asks if you have any interest in a player.

IDK if I have had better luck. What I do know is that I would never send "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" without the intent to work out a deal, if possible.

To judge everyone by the standard that there are some annoying people who only want to "win" trades or don't follow through seems odd. I understand if you have known a guy for years in the same league but, for example: If you joined one of the three FBG Home Leagues (Numero Uno, Junior Varsity & Amateur Hour) this year (or any startup league) would you treat "Any interest in Chase Brown?" the with that same level of annoyance/disdain?

I guess I just find the logic limiting.

I know I am just jumping in, but in your example I would absolutely entertain that "any interest in Chase Brown" in a new league I joined. It just hasn't worked in any league I have done for the past 16 years.

I get that, for sure. I played in one league only for almost 30 years and there a few guys who are tough to trade with. But it doesn't stop me from trying.

Joining the FBG Home League last year was a really nice change of pace because I didn't know how those guys operate.

I think it is pretty obvious from my posts in here that I am a guy who would send an "Any interest in Chase Brown?" feeler out, but I would always have the framework of a deal in mind and would never ghost anyone after my initial contact.

That is the big difference from you and "those guys." "Those guys" have earned their reputation for not following through and so for me I don't waste my time. I will answer questions, but don't get super into it.

 

[Gally]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

I think a better way to phrase it is "I am about to put Brown on the block. Do you have any interest in him before I do that?" You are giving this guy kind of a first right of refusal before it goes public. You might get more traction this way.

Generally speaking I typically go the route of inquiring to another owner about Player X or Y. Basically I am interested in X or Y. Where do you think you could improve or do I have anybody that interests you?

I have quite a few owners across leagues that have vastly different evaluations on players than I do. So me trying to hit their target is near impossible. I have made offers that I would have accepted if I had their roster and get rebuffed with that player you offered is terrible and shouldn't even be rostered (like I said, vastly different evaluations of players).

I don't mind making the first offer but it really helps move things along if I can understand what the other guy thinks he needs or a list of players he likes. That is typically the info I am looking to get.

 

[Gally]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

By now I’m either done with the games and not responding or telling him make an offer and then refusing to reply again until a serious offer comes.

So you don't consider either of those options valid responses?

A is fishing and wants me to do the work for them. B is valid if you haven’t already asked something similar four times.

So what's wrong with responding with "I would move WR X/Y/Z for Brown"? Why is that so bad for you?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

For a WR? My reply is which one?

A) Who is on the table?

B) Are McLaurin, DK or Tyreek on the table?

By now I’m either done with the games and not responding or telling him make an offer and then refusing to reply again until a serious offer comes.

So you don't consider either of those options valid responses?

A is fishing and wants me to do the work for them. B is valid if you haven’t already asked something similar four times.

So what's wrong with responding with "I would move WR X/Y/Z for Brown"? Why is that so bad for you?

Nothing and stated so here: https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/the-psychology-behind-trading.816520/page-6#post-25394045

I was just bored today and entertaining all of Chaka's what if scenarios. The response you get will depend on initial reach and then how you follow-up.

 

[Zow]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Chicken or egg?

 

[Zow]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Generally speaking, if you sent me this question my response will be either No or send me a competitive offer and we will see.

"Chase Brown for a WR." - No response from you?

"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin or DK Metcalf or Tyreek Hill?" - Response?

"Chase Brown for Player X and here is a detailed 17 point analysis for why that deal is beneficial to your team." Better? Worse?

Any of you guys remember tenderknee from this site? The bold reminds me of him. He'd send like a novel as to why you should accept his trade offer. Though his extra special treat was proposing a three-team trade which of course benefited you and him and royally screwed over the third guy but he'd still send the novel about why you should do it (as if you wouldn't).

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.

Chicken or egg?

It reads more like PTSD.