The Psychology Behind Trading (1 Viewer)

[Gally]

How many days do wait before revoking an offer? Unless it was a mistake, I usually will let the trade offer sit between 3 to 5 days. I figure that is long enough to let someone think on it, otherwise they weren’t interested to begin with and didn’t care to reject it.

I usually set the expire date accordingly to how long I am fine with it being out there. I rarely revoke an offer unless I change gears or want to sent out other offers that would cause issues if both are accepted at the same time.

At this time of year my dynasty league has a variety of times people start getting into the season. Because of this I don't necessarily revoke because sometimes guys aren't quite ready to start focusing on the season yet. I don't understand why not but to each their own.

 

[JohnnyU]

How many days do wait before revoking an offer? Unless it was a mistake, I usually will let the trade offer sit between 3 to 5 days. I figure that is long enough to let someone think on it, otherwise they weren’t interested to begin with and didn’t care to reject it.

Depends on the owner somewhat. If I can see the team has been on the site, I’ll assume they saw the trade. I’ll give it a couple hours and then revoke. Otherwise 3-4 days.

You either like the trade or not. If it’s good enough to accept or make a counter, shouldn’t take long to decide that. My pet peeve is teams that seem unable to just hit the reject button and just let the trade sit. It’s not going to hurt my feelings if you reject

Yeah, it's a pittfall in fantasy, the ole' let it expire owners I've had offers that have expired, so I won't let them sit more than three to five days now. I've also had owners email me after it is revoked and either say I was still mulling it over, or they would have accepted. In the latter, I just send it back to them and we make a deal.

 

[eighsse2]

Sometimes I have verbal discussions and I make a formal trade offer in words, outside of the actual trading system. Do any of you do that, and if so, how do you handle the timeframe on it? Meaning, when you state it do you put a "good til" date on it? Like if they said they would think about it, then came back in a couple weeks and accepted it, but you didn't want to anymore. Just curious. I had that happen today, but he had no problem at all with me changing my mind.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Great topic. Love discussions like this.

 

[Zow]

Sometimes I have verbal discussions and I make a formal trade offer in words, outside of the actual trading system. Do any of you do that, and if so, how do you handle the timeframe on it? Meaning, when you state it do you put a "good til" date on it? Like if they said they would think about it, then came back in a couple weeks and accepted it, but you didn't want to anymore. Just curious. I had that happen today, but he had no problem at all with me changing my mind.

I'm in a couple of leagues where to remove any ambiguity* any offer made on the site itself is deemed "official" and therefore it stands if accepted. Because of this rule, what many of us do is exchange offers via text with the mutual understanding that nothing is "official" and therefore can be informally revoked at any time. Further, it helps having the text message back and forth to be able to ensure that everybody is on the same proverbial page and then the offer is officially made on the site with the knowledge the other player intends to immediately accept.


*Only downside to this rule is that since the site offer is "official" any errors in the official offer stand. I got burned a few years ago when I accidentally clicked a first round instead of second when I made an official offer. Since I was just sending out offers and there was no text or phone discussion my plea of error was probably rightfully rejected - though I was annoyed by the trade partner because I texted him immediately after the trade was accepted, explained the error and asked him to undo, but he refused. Lesson learned by me.

 

[barackdhouse]

Got a message the other day asking what I wanted for player X and or player Y and I'm like neither is on my block at the moment so IDK make an offer and we can talk. Wasn't looking to move them and don't feel like putting the initiative and work in to see where we likely disagree. I forget the players now but they were both stud blue chips I have zero interest in moving. Blow my doors off or mention something you'd offer but just "what do you want for X, Z?" Ugh. And sometimes I look and I'm like there isn't a single blue chip on the other side (that interests me) if you have a ton of 1sts mmaaybe we can do something. But those owners that have tons of 1sts are always looking for more picks and never seem to want to consolidate with me. And I get it because I'm not trying to liquidate studs in general.

 

[Zow]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

 

[Zow]

Got a message the other day asking what I wanted for player X and or player Y and I'm like neither is on my block at the moment so IDK make an offer and we can talk. Wasn't looking to move them and don't feel like putting the initiative and work in to see where we likely disagree. I forget the players now but they were both stud blue chips I have zero interest in moving. Blow my doors off or mention something you'd offer but just "what do you want for X, Z?" Ugh. And sometimes I look and I'm like there isn't a single blue chip on the other side (that interests me) if you have a ton of 1sts mmaaybe we can do something. But those owners that have tons of 1sts are always looking for more picks and never seem to want to consolidate with me. And I get it because I'm not trying to liquidate studs in general.

Timely post here. Literally went up when I was typing out my post above to basically vent about the same thing.

 

[JohnnyU]

Sometimes I have verbal discussions and I make a formal trade offer in words, outside of the actual trading system. Do any of you do that, and if so, how do you handle the timeframe on it? Meaning, when you state it do you put a "good til" date on it? Like if they said they would think about it, then came back in a couple weeks and accepted it, but you didn't want to anymore. Just curious. I had that happen today, but he had no problem at all with me changing my mind.

I'm in a couple of leagues where to remove any ambiguity* any offer made on the site itself is deemed "official" and therefore it stands if accepted. Because of this rule, what many of us do is exchange offers via text with the mutual understanding that nothing is "official" and therefore can be informally revoked at any time. Further, it helps having the text message back and forth to be able to ensure that everybody is on the same proverbial page and then the offer is officially made on the site with the knowledge the other player intends to immediately accept.


*Only downside to this rule is that since the site offer is "official" any errors in the official offer stand. I got burned a few years ago when I accidentally clicked a first round instead of second when I made an official offer. Since I was just sending out offers and there was no text or phone discussion my plea of error was probably rightfully rejected - though I was annoyed by the trade partner because I texted him immediately after the trade was accepted, explained the error and asked him to undo, but he refused. Lesson learned by me.

That isn’t a good rule. A better rule is to have the 30 minute rule for accidents.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Sometimes I have verbal discussions and I make a formal trade offer in words, outside of the actual trading system. Do any of you do that, and if so, how do you handle the timeframe on it? Meaning, when you state it do you put a "good til" date on it? Like if they said they would think about it, then came back in a couple weeks and accepted it, but you didn't want to anymore. Just curious. I had that happen today, but he had no problem at all with me changing my mind.

though I was annoyed by the trade partner because I texted him immediately after the trade was accepted, explained the error and asked him to undo, but he refused. Lesson learned by me.

I wouldn't want to play with people like this.

 

[Zow]

Sometimes I have verbal discussions and I make a formal trade offer in words, outside of the actual trading system. Do any of you do that, and if so, how do you handle the timeframe on it? Meaning, when you state it do you put a "good til" date on it? Like if they said they would think about it, then came back in a couple weeks and accepted it, but you didn't want to anymore. Just curious. I had that happen today, but he had no problem at all with me changing my mind.

though I was annoyed by the trade partner because I texted him immediately after the trade was accepted, explained the error and asked him to undo, but he refused. Lesson learned by me.

I wouldn't want to play with people like this.

Yeah I told him I wouldn’t trade with him again. And didn’t for probably three years.

 

[Saint]

I like to do most of my trades via text. I find it easier to negotiate via messaging rather than going to the site and updating the trades each time, especially when dealing with picks. Just more chances for error.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Vent Session for me - guys that let players just die on their horrible roster. "He's my only stud" - No kidding and that's why you are picking in the top 3 every year.

I tried to trade away a couple firsts and Zay Flowers for ARSB last year, immediately after rookie draft. I received the response above. Then offered the same trade within 24 hours to the guy who drafted Nabers and got Nabers. I guess I should be grateful but the guys who immediately write-off a trade because it's for their "best player" are hurting themselves.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

Agreed. In a nutshell I am fine if a trade partner that I regularly trade with does this, but there is the regular never makes an offer and wants everyone else to.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

Agreed. In a nutshell I am fine if a trade partner that I regularly trade with does this, but there is the regular never makes an offer and wants everyone else to.

This method of trading ties directly in with the fantasy player who is afraid of losing a trade, which ties directly in with player who lacks confidence in their ability to trade.

 

[OnTheReg]

I'm entering my 20th year in my biggest league with all my best friends. Now, the information that I once had alone, everyone has it. It's so easy to get fantasy info at the tip of your fingers. But in addition to that, I feel like trades don't happen nearly as much as they used to. Not that all trades before were lopsided, but it's for some reason it is much more difficult to get a trade across the finish line. Why is that? I think for the 'non hardcore' members of the league who aren't spending all their time like us thinking about this stuff, they do quick research when a trade is proposed, and if it isn't a complete 50/50 trade, they decline.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm entering my 20th year in my biggest league with all my best friends. Now, the information that I once had alone, everyone has it. It's so easy to get fantasy info at the tip of your fingers. But in addition to that, I feel like trades don't happen nearly as much as they used to. Not that all trades before were lopsided, but it's for some reason it is much more difficult to get a trade across the finish line. Why is that? I think for the 'non hardcore' members of the league who aren't spending all their time like us thinking about this stuff, they do quick research when a trade is proposed, and if it isn't a complete 50/50 trade, they decline.

I think level of education in fantasy is higher now than it used to be and are as susceptible to bad trade offers. Yes they still happen, but I think fantasy players are more savvy than they used to be, thus less trades.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I'm entering my 20th year in my biggest league with all my best friends. Now, the information that I once had alone, everyone has it. It's so easy to get fantasy info at the tip of your fingers. But in addition to that, I feel like trades don't happen nearly as much as they used to. Not that all trades before were lopsided, but it's for some reason it is much more difficult to get a trade across the finish line. Why is that? I think for the 'non hardcore' members of the league who aren't spending all their time like us thinking about this stuff, they do quick research when a trade is proposed, and if it isn't a complete 50/50 trade, they decline.

I think level of education in fantasy is higher now than it used to be and are as susceptible to bad trade offers. Yes they still happen, but I think fantasy players are more savvy than they used to be, thus less trades.

I noticed trades changing a lot about 10 or so years ago when owners became over-saturated with teams and there were a lot of new dynasty sites writing articles on the art of trading, which created a lot of these bad habits.

In the 2005-2015ish timeframe a lot of owners I competed against would trade based on their opinions and player takes and it was great. No one quoted DLF rankings, FBG rankings, KTC rankings or anything like that to try to squeeze every ounce of value out of a deal.

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm entering my 20th year in my biggest league with all my best friends. Now, the information that I once had alone, everyone has it. It's so easy to get fantasy info at the tip of your fingers. But in addition to that, I feel like trades don't happen nearly as much as they used to. Not that all trades before were lopsided, but it's for some reason it is much more difficult to get a trade across the finish line. Why is that? I think for the 'non hardcore' members of the league who aren't spending all their time like us thinking about this stuff, they do quick research when a trade is proposed, and if it isn't a complete 50/50 trade, they decline.

I think level of education in fantasy is higher now than it used to be and are as susceptible to bad trade offers. Yes they still happen, but I think fantasy players are more savvy than they used to be, thus less trades.

I noticed trades changing a lot about 10 or so years ago when owners became over-saturated with teams and there were a lot of new dynasty sites writing articles on the art of trading, which created a lot of these bad habits.

In the 2005-2015ish timeframe a lot of owners I competed against would trade based on their opinions and player takes and it was great. No one quoted DLF rankings, FBG rankings, KTC rankings or anything like that to try to squeeze every ounce of value out of a deal.

In general fantasy players are more educated now than they used to be. That is a fact. So if you want to trade you need to put more thought into it than you used to have to do IMO. Again...that's in general.

 

[OnTheReg]

I'm entering my 20th year in my biggest league with all my best friends. Now, the information that I once had alone, everyone has it. It's so easy to get fantasy info at the tip of your fingers. But in addition to that, I feel like trades don't happen nearly as much as they used to. Not that all trades before were lopsided, but it's for some reason it is much more difficult to get a trade across the finish line. Why is that? I think for the 'non hardcore' members of the league who aren't spending all their time like us thinking about this stuff, they do quick research when a trade is proposed, and if it isn't a complete 50/50 trade, they decline.

I think level of education in fantasy is higher now than it used to be and are as susceptible to bad trade offers. Yes they still happen, but I think fantasy players are more savvy than they used to be, thus less trades.

I noticed trades changing a lot about 10 or so years ago when owners became over-saturated with teams and there were a lot of new dynasty sites writing articles on the art of trading, which created a lot of these bad habits.

In the 2005-2015ish timeframe a lot of owners I competed against would trade based on their opinions and player takes and it was great. No one quoted DLF rankings, FBG rankings, KTC rankings or anything like that to try to squeeze every ounce of value out of a deal.

In general fantasy players are more educated now than they used to be. That is a fact. So if you want to trade you need to put more thought into it than you used to have to do IMO. Again...that's in general.

Yeah, I'm not trying to fleece anyone in trades, either. The thing is folks just really have more info than ever before, and if the person you're trading with is someone who isn't the most knowledgable, their first thought is gonna be that they are getting screwed, and if that is the case, it's very easy for them to look online and find evidence that shows they should not make the trade.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

 

[OnTheReg]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I know where he's coming from as well. I wouldn't say personally that a person asking me 'any interest in XYZ' necessarily bothers me. But it's one of those questions that also doesn't go anywhere. Just this weekend someone in my league said he was thinking about trading Justin Jefferson (why I have no idea) and asked if I was interested. I said yeah, what would you want for him? And he didn't even respond. Obviously I am interested in JJ - who wouldn't be? So if you're texting me about a player YOU own to ask if I'd want him, when it's pretty clear the answer will be 'yes' - why would you not have a plan or a follow up question about what you want in return for him? That's very annoying and it happens often.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

 

[OnTheReg]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

 

[OnTheReg]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Oh, that is 100% what I do. But that goes back to my post earlier about how it's just much more difficult to get these trades done now. I also think a big part of fantasy players like to just talk to the talk, shoot the (stuff) about trades, but push comes to shove they don't want to make a big splash either. So you get these horrible conversations.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Oh, that is 100% what I do. But that goes back to my post earlier about how it's just much more difficult to get these trades done now. I also think a big part of fantasy players like to just talk to the talk, shoot the (stuff) about trades, but push comes to shove they don't want to make a big splash either. So you get these horrible conversations.

At least it's a conversation. You don't have anything else going on in your life anyway

 

[OnTheReg]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Oh, that is 100% what I do. But that goes back to my post earlier about how it's just much more difficult to get these trades done now. I also think a big part of fantasy players like to just talk to the talk, shoot the (stuff) about trades, but push comes to shove they don't want to make a big splash either. So you get these horrible conversations.

At least it's a conversation. You don't have anything else going on in your life anyway

Besides an 18 month old daughter and another on the way, you are right about that. Who has time for anything else??

 

[Zow]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

Yep. You and @JohnnyU did a pretty nice job addressing the frustration with getting these. And you hit the nail on the head with how the conversation usually goes verbatim. I also think that there is a big different if the question is instead something like, "Hey Woz, are you interested in Chase Brown? I need WR help and you seem pretty deep there... any interest in putting something together?" as opposed to "Any interest in Chase Brown?" The former almost always leads to a real discussion whereas the latter almost never does because of the ping pong scenario you describe.

And @Chaka to be clear, these sorts of things don't really actually "bother" me (FF is still plenty fun and I'd rather talk trades with somebody than not) but I was just trying to lament the types of communications that in my experience are not fruitful as it's usually somebody on a fishing expedition hoping somebody offers an overpay.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Oh, that is 100% what I do. But that goes back to my post earlier about how it's just much more difficult to get these trades done now. I also think a big part of fantasy players like to just talk to the talk, shoot the (stuff) about trades, but push comes to shove they don't want to make a big splash either. So you get these horrible conversations.

At least it's a conversation. You don't have anything else going on in your life anyway

Besides an 18 month old daughter and another on the way, you are right about that. Who has time for anything else??

I was definitely joking.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I know where he's coming from as well. I wouldn't say personally that a person asking me 'any interest in XYZ' necessarily bothers me. But it's one of those questions that also doesn't go anywhere. Just this weekend someone in my league said he was thinking about trading Justin Jefferson (why I have no idea) and asked if I was interested. I said yeah, what would you want for him? And he didn't even respond. Obviously I am interested in JJ - who wouldn't be? So if you're texting me about a player YOU own to ask if I'd want him, when it's pretty clear the answer will be 'yes' - why would you not have a plan or a follow up question about what you want in return for him? That's very annoying and it happens often.

Well, the problem here really isn't the initial ask, it's the lack of follow up. I think those are entirely distinct, uncoupled issues.

 

[Zow]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Yep. And usually nothing comes of it then.

I used to occasionally make an offer but I'd almost always start out low and then the other owner gets pissed at me which is even more frustrating because the thought then is, "well, if I really wanted Chase Brown, I'd have proactively reached out to you so what do you expect?"

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

Exactly, and now you have a dialogue going.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

So, do you look at every "Are you interested in X?" question through that lens?

That is probably where I am departing from people on this issue. Poor follow up is not a dependent condition to the initial ask. It's entirely unrelated.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Yep. And usually nothing comes of it then.

I used to occasionally make an offer but I'd almost always start out low and then the other owner gets pissed at me which is even more frustrating because the thought then is, "well, if I really wanted Chase Brown, I'd have proactively reached out to you so what do you expect?"

I think the consensus is that if you want to trade a player, then make an offer...period.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Yeah, I don't like the whole being coy thing and would also tune it out eventually. I just don't think it's related, in the least, to the initial question.

 

[OnTheReg]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

After "Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get", you follow with, "If you're interested in trading Chase Brown, make an offer, since you started this conversation. I told you the areas of need for my team. After that you don't reply anymore.

Oh, that is 100% what I do. But that goes back to my post earlier about how it's just much more difficult to get these trades done now. I also think a big part of fantasy players like to just talk to the talk, shoot the (stuff) about trades, but push comes to shove they don't want to make a big splash either. So you get these horrible conversations.

At least it's a conversation. You don't have anything else going on in your life anyway

Besides an 18 month old daughter and another on the way, you are right about that. Who has time for anything else??

I was definitely joking.

Dude I know all good. But you weren't wrong.

 

[Chaka]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

Yep. You and @JohnnyU did a pretty nice job addressing the frustration with getting these. And you hit the nail on the head with how the conversation usually goes verbatim. I also think that there is a big different if the question is instead something like, "Hey Woz, are you interested in Chase Brown? I need WR help and you seem pretty deep there... any interest in putting something together?" as opposed to "Any interest in Chase Brown?" The former almost always leads to a real discussion whereas the latter almost never does because of the ping pong scenario you describe.

And @Chaka to be clear, these sorts of things don't really actually "bother" me (FF is still plenty fun and I'd rather talk trades with somebody than not) but I was just trying to lament the types of communications that in my experience are not fruitful as it's usually somebody on a fishing expedition hoping somebody offers and overpay.

I agree with all of that. Those conversations are frustrating and I always prefer to at least hear what positional group the other person is looking for with the initial question.

I simply don't think the initial ask is, in any way, related to the idea that the ensuing discussion will be a lesson in frustration.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

Yep. You and @JohnnyU did a pretty nice job addressing the frustration with getting these. And you hit the nail on the head with how the conversation usually goes verbatim. I also think that there is a big different if the question is instead something like, "Hey Woz, are you interested in Chase Brown? I need WR help and you seem pretty deep there... any interest in putting something together?" as opposed to "Any interest in Chase Brown?" The former almost always leads to a real discussion whereas the latter almost never does because of the ping pong scenario you describe.

And @Chaka to be clear, these sorts of things don't really actually "bother" me (FF is still plenty fun and I'd rather talk trades with somebody than not) but I was just trying to lament the types of communications that in my experience are not fruitful as it's usually somebody on a fishing expedition hoping somebody offers and overpay.

I agree with all of that. Those conversations are frustrating and I always prefer to at least hear what positional group the other person is looking for with the initial question.

I simply don't think the initial ask is, in any way, related to the idea that the ensuing discussion will be a lesson in frustration.

I have found that it to be only one type of person that asks the question any interest in ___.
I can say yes and ask as many questions as I want, but never do I actually get anywhere. I leave this owner alone now and do not go out of my way nor put effort into dealing with this guy because he is a waste of my time. Now the other 10 owners I have no issue with dialogue about players and counter with reasonable trades.

 

[Zow]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

So, do you look at every "Are you interested in X?" question through that lens?

That is probably where I am departing from people on this issue. Poor follow up is not a dependent condition to the initial ask. It's entirely unrelated.

You’re being theoretically logical, but my anecdotal experience is that an overwhelming majority of the time the conversations that start this way tend to be fruitless and frustrating because the initial speaker generally wants you to do the work of formulating an offer and almost then isn’t ever happy with what you put together.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

Yep. You and @JohnnyU did a pretty nice job addressing the frustration with getting these. And you hit the nail on the head with how the conversation usually goes verbatim. I also think that there is a big different if the question is instead something like, "Hey Woz, are you interested in Chase Brown? I need WR help and you seem pretty deep there... any interest in putting something together?" as opposed to "Any interest in Chase Brown?" The former almost always leads to a real discussion whereas the latter almost never does because of the ping pong scenario you describe.

And @Chaka to be clear, these sorts of things don't really actually "bother" me (FF is still plenty fun and I'd rather talk trades with somebody than not) but I was just trying to lament the types of communications that in my experience are not fruitful as it's usually somebody on a fishing expedition hoping somebody offers and overpay.

I agree with all of that. Those conversations are frustrating and I always prefer to at least hear what positional group the other person is looking for with the initial question.

I simply don't think the initial ask is, in any way, related to the idea that the ensuing discussion will be a lesson in frustration.

I have found that it to be only one type of person that asks the question any interest in ___.
I can say yes and ask as many questions as I want, but never do I actually get anywhere. I leave this owner alone now and do not go out of my way nor put effort into dealing with this guy because he is a waste of my time. Now the other 10 owners I have no issue with dialogue about players and counter with reasonable trades.

My thoughts are not to discard potential trade partners with anyone. I'll lead with what I said earlier and be done with it. Hopefully he gets the idea and makes an offer if he's wanting to trade a certain player. I know that if I'm wanting a player from another team I try to make a great offer. I'm in the camp that I like making my best offer up front, or at least close to it. I know some of you don't like that, but that's how I operate. It has worked well for me and I have the titles to back it up.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

Yep. You and @JohnnyU did a pretty nice job addressing the frustration with getting these. And you hit the nail on the head with how the conversation usually goes verbatim. I also think that there is a big different if the question is instead something like, "Hey Woz, are you interested in Chase Brown? I need WR help and you seem pretty deep there... any interest in putting something together?" as opposed to "Any interest in Chase Brown?" The former almost always leads to a real discussion whereas the latter almost never does because of the ping pong scenario you describe.

And @Chaka to be clear, these sorts of things don't really actually "bother" me (FF is still plenty fun and I'd rather talk trades with somebody than not) but I was just trying to lament the types of communications that in my experience are not fruitful as it's usually somebody on a fishing expedition hoping somebody offers and overpay.

I agree with all of that. Those conversations are frustrating and I always prefer to at least hear what positional group the other person is looking for with the initial question.

I simply don't think the initial ask is, in any way, related to the idea that the ensuing discussion will be a lesson in frustration.

I have found that it to be only one type of person that asks the question any interest in ___.
I can say yes and ask as many questions as I want, but never do I actually get anywhere. I leave this owner alone now and do not go out of my way nor put effort into dealing with this guy because he is a waste of my time. Now the other 10 owners I have no issue with dialogue about players and counter with reasonable trades.

My thoughts are not to discard potential trade partners with anyone. I'll lead with what I said earlier and be done with it. Hopefully he gets the idea and makes an offer if he's wanting to trade a certain player. I know that if I'm wanting a player from another team I try to make a great offer. I'm in the camp that I like making my best offer up front, or at least close to it. I know some of you don't like that, but that's how I operate. It has worked well for me and I have the titles to back it up.

In theory that sounds great. Then you deal with someone for years and find out that is only great in theory. I don't ignore an actual trade offer, but I haven't gotten one of those in over a year.

 

[JohnnyU]

Something I commonly get and can't stand are the random texts like, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown?" I assume the philosophy or strategy there is to entice me to make the first offer.

My standard response is always, "I'm interested in any player for the right price so what did you have in mind?" This puts the proverbial ball back in the offeror's court and if I get a reply like, "well, what would you give for him?" I usually shut down the conversation pretty quickly.

Why does this bother you?

I think the premise is, if someone is wanting to trade, then he / or she should be the one that makes an offer. Anyone who starts the trade conversation, "hey, any interest in Chase Brown", then expects you to do the work and make the initial offer, is kind of lame to me. It's probably the #1 complaint in trading. I'm amazed in how many people are like this. They don't have the balls to make a good offer to trade a player they want to trade.

That's reading a lot into a rather benign question.

Is "I am looking to improve my WRs. Are you interested in Chase Brown?' better?

Or does it have to be"Chase Brown for Terry McLaurin!"

Or do you prefer when they open with the long winded analysis of why your team would benefit from adding Chase Brown at the cost of McLaurin (or DK or Tyreek)?

Sure, a lot can be taken from, as you said, a benign question. But in general, there are a lot of fantasy players seeking that initial offer instead of making a good first offer themselves, since they are the one who wants to trade Chase Brown.

IDK. I do understand your perspective but I also think "Are you interested in Chase Brown?" is an offer.

Generally, I don't love just an open ended offer like that because it provides little context as to what they are looking for but, it is most certainly an offer. I prefer if they add the "I am looking for WR help." to add to the framework but I don't need to see the firm offer with the opening of dialogue because there are always multiple ways to build a trade.

Offer for what? Sure I'm interested in Chase Brown exactly what was asked for.... Nothing!. Just ship him over for free.

As I said, I understand that perspective.

What's the harm with responding "Sure, what are you looking for?"

Perfectly fine question back to him.

It definitely is fine, but then it becomes an endless ping pong.

Any interest in XYZ?
Yeah, what are you looking for?
Honestly, just looking for the best offer I can get.
Ok, do you have someone in mind?
Not necessarily, just throwing it out there seeing what I can get.

And on and on and on it goes...

Yep. You and @JohnnyU did a pretty nice job addressing the frustration with getting these. And you hit the nail on the head with how the conversation usually goes verbatim. I also think that there is a big different if the question is instead something like, "Hey Woz, are you interested in Chase Brown? I need WR help and you seem pretty deep there... any interest in putting something together?" as opposed to "Any interest in Chase Brown?" The former almost always leads to a real discussion whereas the latter almost never does because of the ping pong scenario you describe.

And @Chaka to be clear, these sorts of things don't really actually "bother" me (FF is still plenty fun and I'd rather talk trades with somebody than not) but I was just trying to lament the types of communications that in my experience are not fruitful as it's usually somebody on a fishing expedition hoping somebody offers and overpay.

I agree with all of that. Those conversations are frustrating and I always prefer to at least hear what positional group the other person is looking for with the initial question.

I simply don't think the initial ask is, in any way, related to the idea that the ensuing discussion will be a lesson in frustration.

I have found that it to be only one type of person that asks the question any interest in ___.
I can say yes and ask as many questions as I want, but never do I actually get anywhere. I leave this owner alone now and do not go out of my way nor put effort into dealing with this guy because he is a waste of my time. Now the other 10 owners I have no issue with dialogue about players and counter with reasonable trades.

My thoughts are not to discard potential trade partners with anyone. I'll lead with what I said earlier and be done with it. Hopefully he gets the idea and makes an offer if he's wanting to trade a certain player. I know that if I'm wanting a player from another team I try to make a great offer. I'm in the camp that I like making my best offer up front, or at least close to it. I know some of you don't like that, but that's how I operate. It has worked well for me and I have the titles to back it up.

In theory that sounds great. Then you deal with someone for years and find out that is only great in theory. I don't ignore an actual trade offer, but I haven't gotten one of those in over a year.

I don't set my expectations high for getting great offers. That's why I'm always the one trying to think of one myself. 99% of the trades I make are a result of me offering it. I'm fine with that, because I'm confident in my ability to trade. I'm not saying I always win the trade, but I win a lot of titles, or ccome close to it, and I'm in the playoffs most of the time, with my 14 team league being the exception. That is changing however. I'm primed to go on a run in that league too. I think hard work gets you to the playoffs, but luck gets you the title.

 

[Chaka]

What I am getting is people aren't talking about the "Any interest in Chase Brown?" question, they are talking about a specific person in a specific league and they have attached this type of question to that person.