Bengals v. Panthers (1 Viewer)

[thehornet]

Yeah Bernard does some things better but he's not a power back who can carry 20+ a game. That's my point and that's why Benson is a starter and Bernard never will be on any team ever.

if theres one thing a team should look for in a rb, its the ability to run into the line of scrimmage for minimal gain 20 times a game. 3.7 ypc, "just saying." mebbe i should look up how often benson runs for 10+, 20+, etc. im certain its ugly.

coaches dont think about stats the way fantasy football people do. I'm not saying coaches dont want guys that can rip off big plays; they do. However the ebbs and flows of a game require having certain types of runnings back like cedric benson whohave power, durability and the build to stand up to the pounding of a d line all game. Bernard just isn;t this type of player. He has a role on a team but not as a workhorse and not as guy who is every going to be the #1. Very few small guys can play the power back and the explosive back all at once. CJ is one of them, scott isnt.i feel like i am having the jerious norwood debate again.

 

[cvnpoka]

He has a role on a team

its a useless role. he rarely touches the ball. i feel he is a useful player whose abilities are being wasted.

 

[QuizGuy66]

diving into the epic battle of benson vs scott...

Amazed at the passion my Bengals are inspiring.

Anyhow, they are different types of backs. I think Scott's carries increase (Marvin himself said he underused him last year). I think Benson's carries increase too. I didnt't see the final stats, but late in the first half the run-pass mix was like 25 runs to 11 passes. Benson is a guy who thrives on toting the rock a lot and gets better as the game progresses. Scott is a change of pace guy and home run threat. But he's no built for 25 carries a game. If Benson is hurt/suspended the bump for Scott carries will be modest - a guy like Leonard or even the winner of the Peerman/Finlay battle willpick up more the slack. They (Benson and Scott) both can be effective in this offense - actually the game plan (run a ton to help out the rookie QB) pretty much demands it. It's not an either or proposition. Also, with a new OC, a new split can be expected - Scott automatically has a better shot than he did with Brat.

Benson's YPC has been better in these 3 these games compared to last year, btw.

Going back a few years, okay a couple decades, the best RB tandem the Bengals had was James Brooks and Ickey Woods - different backs who both got a healthy number of carries.

Scott is 27 already because he was a rookie at like 25 - he had a checkered career in college with suspensions and transfers making for a longer route.

Who Dey!

-QG

 

[Carolina Hustler]

here's a fact: bernard scott just isnt that good.

Yes he is! You take that back!!I'm guessing you haven't seen him play..

 

[Carolina Hustler]

But he's no built for 25 carries a game.

sad but true.. But then again, how many RBs get 400 carries on the season? (which would average 25 carries a game)

 

[cvnpoka]

I think Scott's carries increase (Marvin himself said he underused him last year)

coaches say this all the time. i would be surprised if marvin didnt say the same last offseason.

Benson is a guy who thrives on toting the rock a lot and gets better as the game progresses.

i would love to see his splits here.

Scott is a change of pace guy and home run threat. But he's no built for 25 carries a game. If Benson is hurt/suspended the bump for Scott carries will be modest - a guy like Leonard or even the winner of the Peerman/Finlay battle willpick up more the slack.

its either 25 or 3. why no in between? and if his increase is modest, it goes from 3.7 to what? 6? so he simply will have little chance to impact the game. anyway, i dont get writing a guy off for being too small and not tough enough to get carries. what is the risk? if hes not gonna play bc he will get hurt, may as well just play him until he gets hurt. you never know, he could surprise and prove durable. at least you would get the max out of him.

Going back a few years, okay a couple decades, the best RB tandem the Bengals had was James Brooks and Ickey Woods - different backs who both got a healthy number of carries.

id love to see what bernard could do with a james brooks workload. or even a jerious norwood workload.

 

[Tanner9919]

Nice showing by Bengals tonight. D is going to be fine, This should shut up the 0-16 nonsense.

but come on now, maybe they wont be that bad, but what about 2-14 or 3-13? does that sound any better?

they have some legit offensive weapons that will contribute to fantasy teams, but the way they've been slapped around in preseason you have to wonder how good this team is going to be..

it's nice to hear that AJ did well last night

 

[pantherclub]

I was wrong and I was hoodwinked.

Cam Newton is no NFL qb. I dont need to see any more of to change my mind. While he has an amazing skill set that just doesnt factor in much in being a productive player just as we have seen with Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcuos and the list goes on. Coaches continually get sold a bill of goods at these private workouts and combine. Cam Newton has no mechanics. I take that back, he has no positive throwing mechanics for the NFL. He throws off his back foot or throws on the run in just about every situation. Ron Riveria just tanked his first and probably only coaching chance. When will the NFL learn that it is not brute strength that makes a qb good but just general understanding of the game?

Cam Newton is bad, real bad and I dont think he can ever get to a level where he is even an average qb. I am not saying he is a bust now just that he is so far off from where he needs to be its not even funny. He has gotten by on sheer physical ability until now and you should not be teaching the #1 pick basic throwing mechanics such as throwing off the correct foot.

This post hasnt even addressed his horrendous ability to read defenses.

The Panthers are screwed, royally.

 

[Donsmith753]

I was wrong and I was hoodwinked.

Cam Newton is no NFL qb. I dont need to see any more of to change my mind. While he has an amazing skill set that just doesnt factor in much in being a productive player just as we have seen with Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcuos and the list goes on. Coaches continually get sold a bill of goods at these private workouts and combine. Cam Newton has no mechanics. I take that back, he has no positive throwing mechanics for the NFL. He throws off his back foot or throws on the run in just about every situation. Ron Riveria just tanked his first and probably only coaching chance. When will the NFL learn that it is not brute strength that makes a qb good but just general understanding of the game?

Cam Newton is bad, real bad and I dont think he can ever get to a level where he is even an average qb. I am not saying he is a bust now just that he is so far off from where he needs to be its not even funny. He has gotten by on sheer physical ability until now and you should not be teaching the #1 pick basic throwing mechanics such as throwing off the correct foot.

This post hasnt even addressed his horrendous ability to read defenses.

The Panthers are screwed, royally.

There's always next year?

 

[Kirby]

Wow, if AJ Green had a better QB throwing him the ball, he'd have 3 40+ yard TDs in this first half.He's smoked the CB and been wide open 3 times on deep balls.

Not watching but does green really look that good? i was assuming before the preseason jones would have better year than green...?

Green looks really good... but his QB can't throw accurately past 8 yards. As he said above... should have three long TD's instead of one... and the one that was a TD was under thrown. If only Mike Brown would have picked Palmer over Lewis. That's the one throw he can make in his sleep.

 

[comet909]

Wow, if AJ Green had a better QB throwing him the ball, he'd have 3 40+ yard TDs in this first half.

He's smoked the CB and been wide open 3 times on deep balls.

Not watching but does green really look that good? i was assuming before the preseason jones would have better year than green...?

Green looks really good... but his QB can't throw accurately past 8 yards. As he said above... should have three long TD's instead of one... and the one that was a TD was under thrown. If only Mike Brown would have picked Palmer over Lewis. That's the one throw he can make in his sleep.

Completion Percentage on Deep ThrowsRank Player Team Deep Attempts Deep Completions Deep Comp %

1 Vince Young TEN 35 16 45.71%

2 David Garrard JAX 51 23 45.10%

3 Matt Schaub HST 48 21 43.75%

4 Philip Rivers SD 68 29 42.65%

5 Drew Brees NO 76 32 42.11%

6 Michael Vick PHI 65 27 41.54%

7 Eli Manning NYG 73 30 41.10%

8 Kerry Collins TEN 44 18 40.91%

9 Derek Anderson ARZ 47 19 40.43%

10 Aaron Rodgers GB 86 33 38.37%

11 Kyle Orton DEN 73 27 36.99%

12 Tom Brady NE 49 18 36.73%

13 Ben Roethlisberger PIT 69 25 36.23%

14 Matt Hasselbeck SEA 76 26 34.21%

15 Donovan McNabb WAS 60 20 33.33%

16 Brett Favre MIN 46 15 32.61%

17 Sam Bradford SL 40 13 32.50%

18 Josh Freeman TB 72 23 31.94%

19 Shaun Hill DET 47 15 31.91%

20 Matt Ryan ATL 51 16 31.37%

21 Colt McCoy CLV 32 10 31.25%

22 Peyton Manning IND 95 29 30.53%

23 Joe Flacco BLT 86 26 30.23%

24 Carson Palmer CIN 54 16 29.63%

25 Ryan Fitzpatrick BUF 69 20 28.99%

26 Mark Sanchez NYJ 74 21 28.38%

27 Jason Campbell OAK 51 14 27.45%

28 Jay Cutler CHI 64 17 26.56%

29 Chad Henne MIA 40 10 25.00%

30 Alex D. Smith SF 36 9 25.00%

31 Matt Cassel KC 57 14 24.56%

 

[notdarkyet]

stupid facts! :shakesfist:

 

[comet909]

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[comet909]

Well technically he could have been even worse at short and intermediate throws. After watching every game last year it wouldn't surprise me. That would make his deep ball his best throw...

No wait. His best throw last year was throwing touchdowns to the other team. If we can bring back Carson and Get AJ in the opposing teams uniform, then we might be onto something.

 

[Rushmore]

The good thing about Dalton is that he has shown improvement in each preseason game. He even had some positive moments in that 2nd preseason game while playing in monsoon like weather. Last night he wasn't perfect, but I came away happy with his progression.

Regarding Benson: People who just look at his ypc last year without watching him play are undervaluing him. He's still a talented and very good rb who continues to be underrated in this league. He has a nice combination of power, vision, and just enough wiggle and speed to be one of the more complete backs out there. It was nice to see Scott look good out there too. No apparent signs of the hamstring bothering him, and he could be an intriguing change of pace with Benson softening up the defense on early downs.

 

[cvnpoka]

ive watched benson play plenty. he does have good vision and deceptive explosiveness in that he looks to be running in quicksand but sometimes surprises you by actually eluding a defender. still, hes one of the worst starting rbs in the league yet somehow gets an overwhelming amount of carries.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Scam is gawd awful as expected.

Scam?

 

[JoeSteeler]

Scam is gawd awful as expected.

Scam?

oh i see, cam.

 

[Kirby]

Wow, if AJ Green had a better QB throwing him the ball, he'd have 3 40+ yard TDs in this first half.

He's smoked the CB and been wide open 3 times on deep balls.

Not watching but does green really look that good? i was assuming before the preseason jones would have better year than green...?

Green looks really good... but his QB can't throw accurately past 8 yards. As he said above... should have three long TD's instead of one... and the one that was a TD was under thrown. If only Mike Brown would have picked Palmer over Lewis. That's the one throw he can make in his sleep.

24 Carson Palmer CIN 54 16 29.63%

What % of those are when his WR has one on one coverage and toasts the CB?