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Bernard Berrian thoughts? (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I don't know. I've got him and I'm considering dropping him for some other options. He's just not that good. I think Harvin and Camarillo are going to be the options here. I also think Favre comes back to Earth this year.
I took a flier on him in some very early drafts and for right now he's a hold. but don't start.
For what you likely paid for him I don't see how you can drop him before game 1. The Vikes are still built to win now and let's face it, what are their other options? If I was thin at Wr due to injury I would probably start him now.
The NFC champ. game gives you some cause for hope anyway.
Could shoot way up in value in the next few weeks.
For what you likely paid for him I don't see how you can drop him before game 1. The Vikes are still built to win now and let's face it, what are their other options? If I was thin at Wr due to injury I would probably start him now.
The NFC champ. game gives you some cause for hope anyway.
Could shoot way up in value in the next few weeks.
cgcloutier
Footballguy
I picked him up late and I am starting him this week against the Saints. He put up some pretty good numbers against the Saints in the playoffs. He will also be doing punt returns
It's funny how receivers get more talented when Favre throws them the ball.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
Run away from Berrian. Run faster on week 7.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
His stats beg to differ otherwise. People seem to forget just before last year he was a 900-1000 yard receiver.
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ericttspikes
Footballguy
I agree with this. I got him in a few leagues also because he was there late, but I think he is average at best. He seems like he should be better but his game looks forced, doesn't look comfortable out there. It also doesn't seem that Favre trusts him too much. Would love for him to surprise me, but I'm not counting on it.
abe froman
Footballguy
I like Berrian actually. Can grab him cheap although people are taking Lee Evans before Berrian. He has a great chance to develop chemistry and trust with Favre. If Im wrong then he didnt cost much but I think there are much worse risks out there that will cost you more than him
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
2008 with Frerotte & Jackson: 48 reception, 964 yards (20.1 per), 7 TDs2009 with Favre: 55 reception, 618 yards (11.2 per), 4 TDsYes, he was dinged last year, but played in all 16 games, starting 15 of them.hook014 said:
Hank Mardukas
Footballguy
Berrian may not be an elite receiver talent-wise, but there's plenty of opportunity for him this year. IMO Berrian is one of the biggest sleeper WRs, if not the biggest, this year. He posted back-to-back 900+ yd, 5+ TD years in 07 and 08 and is filling a huge hole in the Min offense.
Minnesota's 2009 reception #s:
Rice: 83 rec, 1312 yds, 8 TDs
Harvin: 60 rec, 790 yds, 6 TDs
Berrian: 55 rec, 618 yds, 4 TDs
Shiancoe: 56 rec, 566 yds, 11 TDs
Peterson: 43 rec, 436 yds
Taylor: 44 rec, 389 yds, 1 TD
Rice - GONE, Taylor - GONE.
SOMEONE has to catch those balls. Harvin's production will obviously increase, but he certainly isn't getting all of Rice's targets. Berrian is easily the biggest beneficiary of the absence of Rice. There is also no pass catching #2 RB behind AP, so those targets will most likely go to Shiancoe and the WRs.
Minnesota's 2009 reception #s:
Rice: 83 rec, 1312 yds, 8 TDs
Harvin: 60 rec, 790 yds, 6 TDs
Berrian: 55 rec, 618 yds, 4 TDs
Shiancoe: 56 rec, 566 yds, 11 TDs
Peterson: 43 rec, 436 yds
Taylor: 44 rec, 389 yds, 1 TD
Rice - GONE, Taylor - GONE.
SOMEONE has to catch those balls. Harvin's production will obviously increase, but he certainly isn't getting all of Rice's targets. Berrian is easily the biggest beneficiary of the absence of Rice. There is also no pass catching #2 RB behind AP, so those targets will most likely go to Shiancoe and the WRs.
With the emergence of Harvin, Berrien was a thrid WR option at best. This year he is the #2 WR.
Alright, you can pretend Sidney Rice is still there. I'll pretend he's out post surgery.
Hank Mardukas
Footballguy
Total 2009 Targets:
Sidney Rice - 122
Bernard Berrian - 92
Percy Harvin - 91
Visanthe Shiancoe - 79
Chester Taylor - 59
Adrian Peterson - 57
Sidney Rice - 122
Bernard Berrian - 92
Percy Harvin - 91
Visanthe Shiancoe - 79
Chester Taylor - 59
Adrian Peterson - 57
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dagwood
Footballguy
Cut him and pick up one of the Mike Williams....
It's too early to panic on any of the other Vikings but I think you can make an exception for Berrian.It's time to send Bernard to the yard and shoot him.He had a clear void to fill with the absence of Rice & Taylor in the passing game and laid an egg despite a handful of targets.He does not have Brett's trust... and as Brett is the coach of this team, you can consider him done until he pouts and gets dealt to the Ravens to collect a Superbowl ring sitting on the bench beside Housh.
Giants4Life
Footballguy
I mean, anyone surprised by how he looked clearly has never seen Bernard Berrian play. This is who he is. He has pretty bad hands and has a ton of difficulty getting open. He still has some speed, but that is all.
billyjohnson
Footballguy
My thought is---"he sucks"".
I'd hang on at least one more week.
Farve has to find someone to throw the ball to and if week1 has taught me anything, it's that Harvin isnt ready to step up quite yet.
I think Berrian can get the job done if they scheme the offense to take advantage of his strengths. I dont see anyone else who can do it on this team, so they'll give him his shot to show what he can do.
Farve has to find someone to throw the ball to and if week1 has taught me anything, it's that Harvin isnt ready to step up quite yet.
I think Berrian can get the job done if they scheme the offense to take advantage of his strengths. I dont see anyone else who can do it on this team, so they'll give him his shot to show what he can do.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
They should have tried to grab VJax if they wanted to give this run one more year. Can't completely fault them because Rice put them in a tough spot by delaying surgery. They desperately need someone else besides Schiancoe that can go up and grab passes.
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The_Wolfman
Footballguy
I almost have to hang onto him because I foolishly traded for him pre-season, but wow what a disappointment. It was obvious Favre has no trust in him, it looked like there was several times Favre looked his way and didn't pull the trigger. Maybe he somehow turns it around, but I don't see it because he looked the same way in preseason. Put a fork in this guy.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
He was very disappointing tonight, hardly any targets. It looks like Favre doesn't trust him. If I owned him, which I thankfully don't, I think I would go for Camarillo instead.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
hes very mediocre...the end
Donnybrook
Footballguy
That what I saw as well. But I also think that the New Orleans CBs are some of the best in the business. I don't know if Favre or Childress wanted to challenge them.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
It makes my stomach ill to think of how horrible he's looking out there. He and Harvin may be the worst WR 1&2 in the league..
Hot, Hammered, dog poopie....
Hot, Hammered, dog poopie....
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
Fair point, but what really bothers me is I saw the same thing in pre-season. It was either the 3rd or 4th game where Berrian actually was open on a quick slant and Favre did what we saw tonight; look at him, start to bring the ball up, hesistate and then pull the ball down and look elsewhere. I remember the commentator even saying "I don't understand why Favre didn't throw it to Berrian." Mediocre talent plus a lack of faith from the QB does not equal a good season unfortunately.
rocketsauce
Footballguy
I about rolled his ### out there as WR3 to open the season. Luckily I acquired Hakeem Nicks in a trade, Berrian moved to my WR4, and then I traded he & Peyton Hillis for Michael Bush.
Feeling pretty good about that right now, even if Bush doesn't play for a month.
Feeling pretty good about that right now, even if Bush doesn't play for a month.
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Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
I'm dropping him ASAP if/when Camarillo is named a starter.
Berrian and Favre just don't seem to click on any level.
Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
The thing I don't get is Berrian just looks so nonchalant about them not clicking. He should be sleeping in Farve's den and cooking him pancakes every morning, trying to build some kind of rapport with him.
D'OHtis
Footballguy
Berrian looks like a guy that got his contract and content living off that.
He had the drive to earn that big payday as a mid round pick. He got it. This is also one of the big reasons I hate giving these rookies these huge paydays w/o proving a thing at the NFL level. Wish contracts were more incentive based and less guaranteed money at the top of the draft. Would also make those picks more valuable trade pieces (and those bad teams would be able to spend elsewhere to improve the overall team)
He had the drive to earn that big payday as a mid round pick. He got it. This is also one of the big reasons I hate giving these rookies these huge paydays w/o proving a thing at the NFL level. Wish contracts were more incentive based and less guaranteed money at the top of the draft. Would also make those picks more valuable trade pieces (and those bad teams would be able to spend elsewhere to improve the overall team)
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Sweatpants
Footballguy
Glad the Bears let him go when they did and the Vikes paid him big. :haha:
doubletrouble
Footballguy
Someone really has this guy on their FF roster.....
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
In any league where you have 12 teams and better than 18 roster spots, he's going to be rostered.Especially with Rice out of the picture.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Lot of overreaction to one game. Suddenly Greg Camarillo looks good after he did what last night? Catch 1 ball? How many receptions did Percy Harvin have? Favre looking his age right now and the Vikes are in a must win at home against Miami next week. Safe to say that Minnesota cannot go 0-2 and have hopes of going deep in thge playoffs again?
Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.
Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.
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snogger
Footballguy
it isn't just one game when it comes to him.. He had his chance tonight to prove he can step up when needed.. He didn't do it..
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Sounds like you are holding your overreaction until you see Berrian play more. At what point do you feel you have enough data points to know what you have with him?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So Bernard Berrian is the reason the Vikings lost last night? Is that what you are saying?it isn't just one game when it comes to him.. He had his chance tonight to prove he can step up when needed.. He didn't do it..
snogger
Footballguy
this is a thread about Bernard Berrian.. Not the Vikings in general..So Bernard Berrian is the reason the Vikings lost last night? Is that what you are saying?it isn't just one game when it comes to him.. He had his chance tonight to prove he can step up when needed.. He didn't do it..
