Bernard Berrian thoughts? (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Lot of overreaction to one game. Suddenly Greg Camarillo looks good after he did what last night? Catch 1 ball? How many receptions did Percy Harvin have? Favre looking his age right now and the Vikes are in a must win at home against Miami next week. Safe to say that Minnesota cannot go 0-2 and have hopes of going deep in thge playoffs again?Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.

Sounds like you are holding your overreaction until you see Berrian play more. At what point do you feel you have enough data points to know what you have with him?

Excellent question Cobalt. Let me clarify. I do own Berrian in a few leagues but nothing more than a WR5/6 so if I have to look on the WW so be it but are we expecting this type of performance every week from the Vikes? They played the World Champs and played them close to a 14-9 affair...do we think New Orleans is only going to score 14 a game???I think the Miami game will be telling because Miami has a much softer secondary than New Orleans. I want to see one more game before I just cut him loose. He was a middle teen round gamble in most of my redraft leagues...if you started him last night you might be pissed but in a redraft format what would possess you to have done that? You should have 3-5 better options on your roster over Berrian week 1. I need him for middle of the year bye weeks, things can change by then.

 

[trogg78]

Buy low.

 

[Steed]

Lot of overreaction to one game. Suddenly Greg Camarillo looks good after he did what last night? Catch 1 ball? How many receptions did Percy Harvin have? Favre looking his age right now and the Vikes are in a must win at home against Miami next week. Safe to say that Minnesota cannot go 0-2 and have hopes of going deep in thge playoffs again?Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.

I'm OK with this statement for good players, something Bernard Berrian is not.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lot of overreaction to one game. Suddenly Greg Camarillo looks good after he did what last night? Catch 1 ball? How many receptions did Percy Harvin have? Favre looking his age right now and the Vikes are in a must win at home against Miami next week. Safe to say that Minnesota cannot go 0-2 and have hopes of going deep in thge playoffs again?

Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.

I'm OK with this statement for good players, something Bernard Berrian is not.

Let's be fair then. In 2009 Berrian tore his hamstring in the preseason and by all accounts he was never 100% until very late in the season. In 2008 with Tavaris Jackson chucking the ball he was a top20 WR with 964/7Tds...in 2007 he was #26 for the season with 948/5Tds and that was with Rex Grossman throwing him the ball...and if we go th year before that he was #30 I believe or very close to it...so he went from #30/2006 to 26th/2007 to 18th/2008 to injured last year and now has a 40 year old man that couldn't make it to training camp and looks like Steve DeBerg right now vs vintage Favre. I'm willing to watch this with an open mind for at least another week.

 

[Steed]

Those must have been some very poor passing years league wide, because over a 16 game season those are some pretty crappy numbers for a starter.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Those must have been some very poor passing years league wide, because over a 16 game season those are some pretty crappy numbers for a starter.

I hear you Steed, but that's why I harp on the fact most owners don't really get what WR2 and WR3 numbers are...945/7TDs will land you near or in the top20 most years. Very few WRs ever hit double digit TDs in a season, usually less than 5-7 a year. And 1,000 yds receiving for a WR, only about half of the NFL teams or maybe 2/3 actually produce a 1,000+ yd WR. It's just not that common. I was just trying to show that Berrian while certainly not elite which I agree with you, he also is not a total bum either.

 

[cobalt_27]

Lot of overreaction to one game. Suddenly Greg Camarillo looks good after he did what last night? Catch 1 ball? How many receptions did Percy Harvin have? Favre looking his age right now and the Vikes are in a must win at home against Miami next week. Safe to say that Minnesota cannot go 0-2 and have hopes of going deep in thge playoffs again?Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.

Sounds like you are holding your overreaction until you see Berrian play more. At what point do you feel you have enough data points to know what you have with him?

Excellent question Cobalt. Let me clarify. I do own Berrian in a few leagues but nothing more than a WR5/6 so if I have to look on the WW so be it but are we expecting this type of performance every week from the Vikes? They played the World Champs and played them close to a 14-9 affair...do we think New Orleans is only going to score 14 a game???I think the Miami game will be telling because Miami has a much softer secondary than New Orleans. I want to see one more game before I just cut him loose. He was a middle teen round gamble in most of my redraft leagues...if you started him last night you might be pissed but in a redraft format what would possess you to have done that? You should have 3-5 better options on your roster over Berrian week 1. I need him for middle of the year bye weeks, things can change by then.

Well if he's a WR5 or WR6, then that fits. FBG rankings have hm as a mid-30s WR, which is way too high for my tastes. As a bye week filler, he can get you double-digit points if you get lucky and happen to hit on THAT week. He's mostly has been fool's gold as a fantasy WR and likely will cost owners points because they're rolling with him in lineups with unrealistic expectations. I think last night hit the nail on the head for what he is and what to expect most weeks.

 

[Pipes]

Lot of overreaction to one game. Suddenly Greg Camarillo looks good after he did what last night? Catch 1 ball? How many receptions did Percy Harvin have? Favre looking his age right now and the Vikes are in a must win at home against Miami next week. Safe to say that Minnesota cannot go 0-2 and have hopes of going deep in thge playoffs again?Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.

Camarillo wasn't really in the game until the 4th quarter and was targeted at least twice while Berrian, who played the entire game was basically invisible. Berrian is nothing more than a speed guy with average hands who just isn't a very good route runner. He'll make a big play on occasion but he's going to have a lot of nothing games.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Bernard still can't catch.

To be honest, I'm a little worried. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I thought they'd be a little more prepared this year.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Bernard still can't catch.To be honest, I'm a little worried. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I thought they'd be a little more prepared this year.

He thought he was going to be able to sit and watch Rice/Harvin/ADP do all the work this year and collect his dough... :Rice goes down: "O' snap, anyone seen my playbook?!"

 

[Dismattle]

Im one of them guys in a 12 team league. If you watched the game, I believe you probably heard or seen a few things that could have been played differently. Id chalk it up as a warm-up game (plenty of film to study). I actually believe stoppin Berrian via good coverage etc was part of the (NO) gameplan. Berrian has a hall of fame QB, not really much more to say in my eyes... I tend to believe that the Vikings could have beat quite a few teams with the given game plan. I do hope too see a few more passes vs. Miami...

just a note Farve had 14 completions for 110 yds last opening season. (sacked 4 times) but they won 34-20 (AD 25 for 180, 3 TD's)

Im ok with no love for Btwice, I could think of a few players w similiar stats that I wouldnt want. I guess in some repspects you could say hes at best my WR4 fwiw I have 8 total...

 

[sho nuff]

Im one of them guys in a 12 team league. If you watched the game, I believe you probably heard or seen a few things that could have been played differently. Id chalk it up as a warm-up game (plenty of film to study). I actually believe stoppin Berrian via good coverage etc was part of the (NO) gameplan. Berrian has a hall of fame QB, not really much more to say in my eyes... I tend to believe that the Vikings could have beat quite a few teams with the given game plan. I do hope too see a few more passes vs. Miami...just a note Farve had 14 completions for 110 yds last opening season. (sacked 4 times) but they won 34-20 (AD 25 for 180, 3 TD's)Im ok with no love for Btwice, I could think of a few players w similiar stats that I wouldnt want. I guess in some repspects you could say hes at best my WR4 fwiw I have 8 total...

You think stopping Berrian was their gameplan?I think they were more worried with Harvin and Peterson...and after the first half they were much more worried with Shiancoe.He was my WR5...I don't think he will be much longer.

 

[Cassius]

Berrian sucks.

 

[Young 8]

Buy low.

A scrub with playing time = still a scrub

 

[Dismattle]

Im one of them guys in a 12 team league. If you watched the game, I believe you probably heard or seen a few things that could have been played differently. Id chalk it up as a warm-up game (plenty of film to study). I actually believe stoppin Berrian via good coverage etc was part of the (NO) gameplan. Berrian has a hall of fame QB, not really much more to say in my eyes... I tend to believe that the Vikings could have beat quite a few teams with the given game plan. I do hope too see a few more passes vs. Miami...

just a note Farve had 14 completions for 110 yds last opening season. (sacked 4 times) but they won 34-20 (AD 25 for 180, 3 TD's)

Im ok with no love for Btwice, I could think of a few players w similiar stats that I wouldnt want. I guess in some repspects you could say hes at best my WR4 fwiw I have 8 total...

You think stopping Berrian was their gameplan?I think they were more worried with Harvin and Peterson...and after the first half they were much more worried with Shiancoe.

He was my WR5...I don't think he will be much longer.

heres a link to read if you have time http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/10/5...-prime-time-yet IF Miami plays to stop AD, (8 men in box) and I dont see Berrian go off well lets just say Id be more thn happy to say thank-you for letting me know which wideout to drop to add a RB for next season...

 

[brett5673]

He aint good

It's funny how receivers get more talented when Favre throws them the ball.

.... He aint good

 

[Portis 26]

Look at the big picture. He's a starting WR on a productive passing offense. That in itself means he has some value.

 

[brett5673]

Look at the big picture. He's a starting WR on a productive passing offense. That in itself means he has some value.

He will be so boom bust its not worth it. If you want anyone, it will be Camarillo and Harvin until Rice is back

 

[gsmayes]

Berrian is what he's always been: a guy with some speed that can run straight down field and catch the ball 50% of the time. He's got bad hands and runs bad routes.

 

[Chaka]

Lot of overreaction to one game. Suddenly Greg Camarillo looks good after he did what last night? Catch 1 ball? How many receptions did Percy Harvin have? Favre looking his age right now and the Vikes are in a must win at home against Miami next week. Safe to say that Minnesota cannot go 0-2 and have hopes of going deep in thge playoffs again?Guys, it's week 1, don't make blanket statements that could change. Miami will be a better gauge next week because their secondary is absolutely terrible, New Orleans has a pretty darn good secondary and I'm not surprised they shut the Vikes down.

Miami's secondary is absolutely terrible? I'm not entirely convinced about that. The safeties are average at best (although we still don't know too much about Clemons) but the corners look like they might be pretty solid.

 

[Ghost Rider]

So Bernard Berrian is the reason the Vikings lost last night? Is that what you are saying?

Nobody said that, and while I agree that we should never overreact, especially during week 1, when a lot of crazy stuff usually happens, but Berrian looked awful last night. Even that the 3rd down pass that he dropped, it was deflected late by the Saint DB, but he was already dropping it anyway. He just looked terrible. I would suggest only starting him with you have to, and hope that that is one of the few solid weeks he actually puts together. He is bound to have a few solid point weeks, simply because of the offense he is in, and the fact that he is a starter, but starting him on a regular basis is basically asking for losses.

 

[Steed]

Look at the big picture. He's a starting WR on a productive passing offense. That in itself means he has some value.

That was Roy Williams big draw last preseason.

 

[sho nuff]

Im one of them guys in a 12 team league. If you watched the game, I believe you probably heard or seen a few things that could have been played differently. Id chalk it up as a warm-up game (plenty of film to study). I actually believe stoppin Berrian via good coverage etc was part of the (NO) gameplan. Berrian has a hall of fame QB, not really much more to say in my eyes... I tend to believe that the Vikings could have beat quite a few teams with the given game plan. I do hope too see a few more passes vs. Miami...

just a note Farve had 14 completions for 110 yds last opening season. (sacked 4 times) but they won 34-20 (AD 25 for 180, 3 TD's)

Im ok with no love for Btwice, I could think of a few players w similiar stats that I wouldnt want. I guess in some repspects you could say hes at best my WR4 fwiw I have 8 total...

You think stopping Berrian was their gameplan?I think they were more worried with Harvin and Peterson...and after the first half they were much more worried with Shiancoe.

He was my WR5...I don't think he will be much longer.

heres a link to read if you have time http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2010/09/10/5...-prime-time-yet IF Miami plays to stop AD, (8 men in box) and I dont see Berrian go off well lets just say Id be more thn happy to say thank-you for letting me know which wideout to drop to add a RB for next season...

Im not saying put 8 in the box.Im saying Berrian is not likely in the top 2-3 things a defense will focus on against the Vikings.

He should have some decent games while Rice is out...I just don't think he will consistently put up the points making him ever worth counting on.

 

[sho nuff]

He aint good

It's funny how receivers get more talented when Favre throws them the ball.

Not sure they get more talented...they just get more opportunities because of better throws...taking a few more chances to let them get the ball and the ability to fit the ball in some tight spots.But despite that, Berrian was not that great with Brett last year. He was a #2 type guy...speed guy only...who was brought in to be a #1 guy (and paid like it). But he has not lived up to that at all. Now he was #3 last year behind Rice and Harvin really...and would be there again if Rice was around. And he struggled. He has never had great hands...but its even worse when he is not even getting open.

 

[Norseman]

What was he doing returning punts last night? (trying to any way)

 

[ScoobyDoo]

What was he doing returning punts last night? (trying to any way)

That was announced a few days ago. When they traded Reynaud to the Giants they lost their kick returner.

 

[Norseman]

What was he doing returning punts last night? (trying to any way)

That was announced a few days ago. When they traded Reynaud to the Giants they lost their kick returner.

There isn't a better punt returner than Berrian on the roster? I'm liking that trade even less.