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Best Rookie Runningback to draft for impact? (1 Viewer)

39 WILLIE PARKER, RB

Height/Weight: 5-10/209

25 REGGIE BUSH, RB

Height/Weight: 6-0/203

21 FRANK GORE, RB

Height/Weight: 5-9/217

22 JULIUS JONES, RB

Height/Weight: 5-10/208

20 THOMAS JONES, RB

Height/Weight: 5-10/215

34 DEANGELO WILLIAMS, RB

Height/Weight: 5-9/217

35 SELVIN YOUNG, RB

Height/Weight: 5-11/215

And if Chris Johnson can put on anywhere between 5 and 15 pounds during his career, he's bigger than these guys.

 
EBF, with all your BMI research, have you done any studies on high BMIs vs 40 times? Seems like most of the smaller backs are also quicker.

 
Thomas Jones is a pretty good back and he didn't put up impressive stats in Chicago. I don't think Forte is as talented and I don't think the situation has improved. I'll be surprised if he cracks 1,000 rushing yards this season. He might be able to do it solely on the basis of a large workload, but I doubt it. I could easily see Kevin Jones getting 50% of the carries by midseason. This is just an ugly situation.

I'm not too excited about Kevin Smith either. Yes, he has the inside track to a starting job, but he's a third round talent on a team that has failed to produce a top FF RB in quite a while. I think his supporting cast is better than Forte's and his competition for touches is weaker, but he'll probably struggle.

I don't see Chris Johnson being the top rookie RB because he won't get enough carries. Unless he averages an insane yards/touch like MJD, it will be all but impossible for him to finish inside the top 15 in standard formats. LenDale will get 200-250 carries and the goal line work.

IMO McFadden, Stewart, Rice, and Mendenhall have the most upside this year. That said, I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on any of them as a RB2 in my redraft leagues. It's likely that at least one of these guys will break out this season, but it's difficult to predict who will do it.
You mean the reason isn't BMI? :hophead:
In a roundabout way, it is. He won't be a featured back because he's too small. If he was bigger then he'd be a threat to completely supplant LenDale.
Put MJD or Westbrook back into a dynasty pool and they go 2, 3 behind McFadden. Westbrook maybe even higher.Size matters not when talent you have.
Westbrook and MJD aren't small. Chris Johnson is. There are very few small backs succeeding in FF.
Really? Johnson is taller than both of them, and only 3 or 8 pounds lighter. And his weight is before an NFL trainers gets his hands on him.32 MAURICE JONES-DREW, RB

Height/Weight: 5-7/208

36 BRIAN WESTBROOK, RB

Height/Weight: 5-10/203

28 CHRIS JOHNSON, RB

Height/Weight: 5-11/200
Do you really not see how Chris Johnson would be considered "smaller" than Maurice Drew? Drew is short, not small. He's 4 inches short than Johnson, yet outweighs him by 8 lbs. That's significant. I'd bet any amount of money that he's much stronger than Johnson, too.
I'll take that bet, $100, do you have a paypal account?
Yes.
 
39 WILLIE PARKER, RBHeight/Weight: 5-10/20925 REGGIE BUSH, RBHeight/Weight: 6-0/20321 FRANK GORE, RBHeight/Weight: 5-9/21722 JULIUS JONES, RBHeight/Weight: 5-10/20820 THOMAS JONES, RBHeight/Weight: 5-10/21534 DEANGELO WILLIAMS, RBHeight/Weight: 5-9/21735 SELVIN YOUNG, RBHeight/Weight: 5-11/215And if Chris Johnson can put on anywhere between 5 and 15 pounds during his career, he's bigger than these guys.
Actual combine heights, weights, and BMIs:Willie Parker - 5'11" 210 - 29.3Reggie Bush - 5'10.7" 201 - 28.3Frank Gore - 5'9.3" 210 - 30.7Julius Jones - 5'9.7" 214 - 31.0Thomas Jones - 5'10" 216 - 31.0DeAngelo Williams - 5'9" 214 - 31.6Selvin Young - 5'11.1" 207 - 28.8Brian Westbrook - 5'8.3" 200 - 30.1Maurice Drew - 5'6.6" 207 - 32.8Chris Johnson - 5'11" 197 - 27.5There's no way to sugarcoat this. Chris Johnson is tiny by NFL RB standards. He's also older than many of these guys were when they entered the league, so the argument that he's going to add a lot of weight seems weak. There are no NFL featured backs who are as light as Johnson and none with a BMI as low as his. He is almost certainly a career change of pace back.
 
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Only McFadden has a chance of outscoring Forte this year in fantasy, IMHO.
Are you expecting the rest of the rookie RBs to die??? Are they doing some group activity on a bus headed for a cliff?
I guess I shouldn't speak in absolutes.Obviously if McFadden, Rice, Stewart, etc. earn full-time gigs due to injury or poor play by the incumbent starter, they will all outscore Forte because they are all in better offenses. But none of the rooks except Forte and Smith are full-time starters yet:

Matt Forte - starter, backed up by Adrian Peterson

Kevin Smith - starter, backed up by Tatum Bell

McFadden - not starter; Fargas will steal carries.

Rice - not starter yet; McGahee is recovering

Stewart - injured; not starter; Williams will steal carries.

Jones - not starter; will split with Barber

Mendenhall - not starter, will split with FWP

Chris Johnson - not starter; may split with Lendale White

Forte is not the most talented rookie and he's playing on the worst offense of all of the rookies. Downgrade him for those things. But he's playing well, has no one playing behind him to worry about, will play on receiving downs, and will likely be the focus of the Bears' offense this season, pathetic as it may be. I'm not saying Forte will be Top 10 or anything. I'm saying he has the best chance to outscore the rest of the crop, IMO. Don't overlook him.

 
Ray Rice

McGahee's days are numbered
Did i miss something? I don't own McGahee but my impression is he's a top 10 back in redraft and dynasty, a workhorse, one of the few RBs not in a committee? What did I miss on McGahee and I'm not talking about PFT (National Enquirer) rumors, anything of any substance at all?
OOps, just seen the rumor was from a Baltimore beatwriter, just assumed something so foolish would come from PFT. I don't buy it still, McGahee signed a long term deal just last year, did everything the Ravens asked of him and possibly more than they had hoped for so I just don't see it. I also don't see Ronnie Brown getting moved and RW being the starter and future (He's like 31 i think). It's too bad there is such stupid speculation/rumors floating around out there when there actually is alot of real things to talk about this time of year.
Not sure what you mean when you say McGahee "did everything the Ravens asked of him, maybe more." What I have heard is that he missed most of the team OTA this off season, showed up to camp overweight, and was not learning the playbook very well. Then he needed surgery and so he still is not in playing shape. I doubt he will be traded outright, but he will definitely lose carries to Rice, who has done well and who has in fact done everything asked of him, and he is an injury concern IMO since you don't want to start the season coming off knee surgery.

 
Chris Johnson - 5'11" 197 - 27.5
The Titans have Chris Johnson at 200 lbs.
He weighed 197 at the combine. Even at 5'11" 200 he would still have a sub 28 BMI. He would have to gain 15-20 pounds from his combine weight to have an average BMI for an NFL RB. He would have to gain 38 pounds to have the same BMI as Maurice Drew, a player to whom he's often compared for some puzzling reason.
 
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Chris Johnson - 5'11" 197 - 27.5
The Titans have Chris Johnson at 200 lbs.
He weighed 197 at the combine. Even at 5'11" 200 he would still have a sub 28 BMI. He would have to gain 15-20 pounds from his combine weight to have an average BMI for an NFL RB. He would have to gain 38 pounds to have the same BMI as Maurice Drew, a player to whom he's often compared for some puzzling reason.
EBF, I've read your many many many post on Johnson's BMI in the Chris Johnson thread.
 
Thomas Jones is a pretty good back and he didn't put up impressive stats in Chicago. I don't think Forte is as talented and I don't think the situation has improved. I'll be surprised if he cracks 1,000 rushing yards this season. He might be able to do it solely on the basis of a large workload, but I doubt it. I could easily see Kevin Jones getting 50% of the carries by midseason. This is just an ugly situation.

I'm not too excited about Kevin Smith either. Yes, he has the inside track to a starting job, but he's a third round talent on a team that has failed to produce a top FF RB in quite a while. I think his supporting cast is better than Forte's and his competition for touches is weaker, but he'll probably struggle.

I don't see Chris Johnson being the top rookie RB because he won't get enough carries. Unless he averages an insane yards/touch like MJD, it will be all but impossible for him to finish inside the top 15 in standard formats. LenDale will get 200-250 carries and the goal line work.

IMO McFadden, Stewart, Rice, and Mendenhall have the most upside this year. That said, I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on any of them as a RB2 in my redraft leagues. It's likely that at least one of these guys will break out this season, but it's difficult to predict who will do it.
You mean the reason isn't BMI? :confused:
In a roundabout way, it is. He won't be a featured back because he's too small. If he was bigger then he'd be a threat to completely supplant LenDale.
Put MJD or Westbrook back into a dynasty pool and they go 2, 3 behind McFadden. Westbrook maybe even higher.Size matters not when talent you have.
Westbrook and MJD aren't small. Chris Johnson is. There are very few small backs succeeding in FF.
Really? Johnson is taller than both of them, and only 3 or 8 pounds lighter. And his weight is before an NFL trainers gets his hands on him.32 MAURICE JONES-DREW, RB

Height/Weight: 5-7/208

36 BRIAN WESTBROOK, RB

Height/Weight: 5-10/203

28 CHRIS JOHNSON, RB

Height/Weight: 5-11/200
Do you really not see how Chris Johnson would be considered "smaller" than Maurice Drew? Drew is short, not small. He's 4 inches short than Johnson, yet outweighs him by 8 lbs. That's significant. I'd bet any amount of money that he's much stronger than Johnson, too.
I'll take that bet, $100, do you have a paypal account?
Yes.
Cool, shall we use bench reps at 225 to settle this bet?
 
Thomas Jones is a pretty good back and he didn't put up impressive stats in Chicago. I don't think Forte is as talented and I don't think the situation has improved. I'll be surprised if he cracks 1,000 rushing yards this season. He might be able to do it solely on the basis of a large workload, but I doubt it. I could easily see Kevin Jones getting 50% of the carries by midseason. This is just an ugly situation.

I'm not too excited about Kevin Smith either. Yes, he has the inside track to a starting job, but he's a third round talent on a team that has failed to produce a top FF RB in quite a while. I think his supporting cast is better than Forte's and his competition for touches is weaker, but he'll probably struggle.

I don't see Chris Johnson being the top rookie RB because he won't get enough carries. Unless he averages an insane yards/touch like MJD, it will be all but impossible for him to finish inside the top 15 in standard formats. LenDale will get 200-250 carries and the goal line work.

IMO McFadden, Stewart, Rice, and Mendenhall have the most upside this year. That said, I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on any of them as a RB2 in my redraft leagues. It's likely that at least one of these guys will break out this season, but it's difficult to predict who will do it.
You mean the reason isn't BMI? :wall:
In a roundabout way, it is. He won't be a featured back because he's too small. If he was bigger then he'd be a threat to completely supplant LenDale.
Put MJD or Westbrook back into a dynasty pool and they go 2, 3 behind McFadden. Westbrook maybe even higher.Size matters not when talent you have.
Westbrook and MJD aren't small. Chris Johnson is. There are very few small backs succeeding in FF.
Really? Johnson is taller than both of them, and only 3 or 8 pounds lighter. And his weight is before an NFL trainers gets his hands on him.32 MAURICE JONES-DREW, RB

Height/Weight: 5-7/208

36 BRIAN WESTBROOK, RB

Height/Weight: 5-10/203

28 CHRIS JOHNSON, RB

Height/Weight: 5-11/200
Do you really not see how Chris Johnson would be considered "smaller" than Maurice Drew? Drew is short, not small. He's 4 inches short than Johnson, yet outweighs him by 8 lbs. That's significant. I'd bet any amount of money that he's much stronger than Johnson, too.
I'll take that bet, $100, do you have a paypal account?
Yes.
Cool, shall we use bench reps at 225 to settle this bet?
Why choose that?Do we even know what their current bench reps at 225 are?

 
Bump.

Now that the 3rd preseason games are upon us....who's looking ready to make a big impact early on for their team?

McFadden and Stewart are obvious choices....who are the next few?

 
There are five rookies I see having a major impact this year. DmacMendenhallK.SmithC.JohnsonS.SlatonTwo rookies I think will struggle to see the field, but will start getting more looks mid-way throughJ.StewartR.RiceI know this isn't the popular consensus, but I think this is what you'll see.
slaton running now
 
Do you really not see how Chris Johnson would be considered "smaller" than Maurice Drew? Drew is short, not small. He's 4 inches short than Johnson, yet outweighs him by 8 lbs. That's significant. I'd bet any amount of money that he's much stronger than Johnson, too.
I'll take that bet, $100, do you have a paypal account?
Cool, shall we use bench reps at 225 to settle this bet?
Why choose that?Do we even know what their current bench reps at 225 are?
:popcorn: :lol:
 
I like Kevin Smith the best for this year. He seems to have the least amount of competition for touches, and with Roy/CJ2 at WR there wont be any safteys playing very close to the line of scrimmage. The Detroit offense is going to be a lot better without Martz imo

 
Not much talk on slaton. Ahman green may be done. A stable of decent-mediocre backs in front of them, perennial also-rans. He really is the most explosive back they have. Why not? Anyone know his adp in drafts this week?

 
I don't believe McFadden will get near the amount of touches most FFers think he will have. I see Fargas & Bush getting enough touches that it relegates McFadden's value below that of Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, & maybe Kevin Smith. Same goes for Stewart & Mendenhall (as far as lowered value due to less touches than what's projected).

Ray Rice is the wildcard. If they dump/demote McGahee per the rumor, then Rice could be right there with Johnson & Forte. I believe the rumor is mostly bunk, tho. As high as I am on CJ, I think Forte will win ROY in a close vote (with CJ). Forte will have the most touches of any rookie RB, IMO.
Raiders ranked 6th in rushing yards last season.... with FARGAS as the main ball carrier!While Rice is lookin' good, all signs point to McGahee being ready for the opener. Rice has a chance at becoming the Ravens' version of Michael Turner when he played in SD...same offensive coordinator,too.. :no:

McFadden is going to be a star from Day One ...I mean is there really a chance that Huggy Bear's kid keeps McFadden off the field? no. Michael Bush can get the goal-line carries, thats fine. McFadden is going to punch out about 5 TDs from 50+ yards. Whats not to like about the Afc West: Denver can't stop the run and neither can KC, Sd just lost Merriman, probably for the season, so their defense will take a huge hit..So in 6 games vs. AFC West foes, the Raiders should RACK UP the rushing yards, with ease..

:shrug:

I also think Slaton will be a sneaky sleeper pick this season, his situation is terrific..Green is toast, Chris Brown can't stay healthy and Chris Taylor is going to be a FB/RB hybrid..

Chris Johnson will get about 10-15 carries/gm, and will do well with that playing time, but Lendale White isn't going to go away..White is another sleeper pick this season, Titans look like they're going to run over people all season long..

 
Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents, since I've been doing some research to prepare for my keeper league rookie draft and I have the #2 pick.I normally don't do this level of analysis on players, so I'm very interested to read others' reactions. I should preface by saying that this is really a "rough draft" of my opinion so far. I'm 100% certain that it will change by the time I draft (next Saturday).Stats:McFadden (OAK): 6'2", 210 lbs., BMI - 27Mendenhall (PIT): 5'10", 225 lbs., BMI - 32.3Stewart (CAR): 5'10", 235 lbs., BMI - 33.7Johnson (TEN): 5'11", 200 lbs., BMI - 27.9Rice (BAL): 5'8", 205 lbs., BMI - 31.2Forte (CHI): 6'2", 216 lbs., BMI - 27.7Jones (DAL): 6'0", 212 lbs., BMI - 28.7

Thomas Jones is a pretty good back and he didn't put up impressive stats in Chicago. I don't think Forte is as talented and I don't think the situation has improved. I'll be surprised if he cracks 1,000 rushing yards this season. He might be able to do it solely on the basis of a large workload, but I doubt it.
This longtime Bears fan is going to have to disagree slightly with this one. I agree that Jones is a pretty good back, but I've seen enough of Forte, with a much worse run blocking O line than Jones had, to believe that he is more skilled at finding a hole, making one when there is nothing there, and at receiving.
I could easily see Kevin Jones getting 50% of the carries by midseason. This is just an ugly situation.
From a fan perspective, I couldn't be happier with the Bears' backfield depth right now. From a fantasy perspective, this is a much bigger concern IMO. Jones is a different type of runner, more powerful and from the looks of it faster as well. I would be concerned owning Forte just because you just don't know how this will play out.
I'm not too excited about Kevin Smith either. Yes, he has the inside track to a starting job, but he's a third round talent on a team that has failed to produce a top FF RB in quite a while. I think his supporting cast is better than Forte's and his competition for touches is weaker, but he'll probably struggle.
:goodposting: I agree 100%.
I don't see Chris Johnson being the top rookie RB because he won't get enough carries. Unless he averages an insane yards/touch like MJD, it will be all but impossible for him to finish inside the top 15 in standard formats. LenDale will get 200-250 carries and the goal line work.
I agree with this as well, but of the rookie running backs, nobody has the potential for more breakaway plays except perhaps Felix Jones from what I've seen (although I am wondering about putting Stewart in that category). Of course, with Jones being a smaller back and running behind MBIII on the depth chart, his upside is limited and his future is uncertain (er, not like the rest of the RB's...lol).Johnson seems to be exhibiting some growing pains, and frankly his size and style combination scare me a bit for long term durability.
IMO McFadden, Stewart, Rice, and Mendenhall have the most upside this year. That said, I wouldn't feel comfortable relying on any of them as a RB2 in my redraft leagues. It's likely that at least one of these guys will break out this season, but it's difficult to predict who will do it.
After looking at the YouTube highlights, I'm leaning heavily towards Stewart for pure running ability. He's big, he has moves, and he makes holes where there are no holes. I am very concerned from a fantasy perspective about McFadden, Mendenhall, and Rice. Maybe I just haven't watched enough highlight videos yet, but from what I've seen (and I admit that I have NO awareness of college football AT ALL), they all appeared to benefit from big, gaping holes to run through in college. Given my choice between a large, fast back that can make his own opportunities (as Stewart appears to have been) and a large, fast back who has proven only that he can hit the hole on time, I'll take the former.There are also concerns about talent at the position already in place for all 4, and although it looks like McFadden's opportunity in the short term is probably the best (followed by Rice, Stewart, and Mendenhall IMO), Kiffin just named Fargas the starting RB in Oakland. With another recent draft pick in Bush pushing the depth chart, the field is pretty full. Enough to push McFadden to elite status faster, if he is an elite back, but if he's just going to be solid or worse it will take a lot of time for that to emerge (time he'd be sitting on my bench). Probably the same concern about Rice and Mendenhall. We should know more about Stewart's long term prospects sooner.BUT (and that's a big but), we don't really know what Stewart can do at this level, since we haven't seen him play yet (and won't, from how it sounds, before the season starts). We also don't have any idea what his role will be either short- or long-term with Williams in the backfield. Carolina has been too much a RBBC team for my taste and I don't have a handle on whether that will be changing. This is a major concern.So, for this year and the next 3, when it comes to rookies especially the O-Line situation should probably help narrow down the field.Based on the Draft Dominator O-Line Rushing Rankings:McFadden (OAK): MediocreMendenhall (PIT): GoodStewart (CAR): MediocreJohnson (TEN): GoodRice (BAL): MediocreForte (CHI): PoorJones (DAL): GoodFor dynasty purposes, if I do not need to count on production this year (so a RB4, hoping for a stud at some point in the next 2-3 years), I am learning towards this order:Johnson (maybe the best combination of talent, O-line, and opportunity)Stewart (long term I like his talent more than any of the rest except for Jones)Mendenhall (good o-line, long term should be "the complete package", and PIT has shown that they will use whichever RB produces)Rice (most likely to get a starting job sooner rather than later)Forte (if his supporting cast was better, I'd put him MUCH higher - I'm just not convinced that the Bears will put a professional offense together in the next few years)McFadden (with all of the above, I'm starting to put him in a "most likely to bust" category in my mind)Jones (the existence of MBIII is a big issue for me here...he is electric but will he maintain the high level that he brings out of college if he doesn't get the playing time? That's a huge gamble to me and will take a LOT of time before it resolves)I also realize I've completely neglected Kevin Smith here - that's because I'm not convinced that any RB can be a successful stud on the Lions, especially with their history and STACKED passing game right now. Fatal flaw in my logic? Probably. :shrug:If I really needed to count on production THIS YEAR, I would go with this order at this point:JohnsonForteSmithMcFaddenStewartRiceJonesMendenhallAs you can tell, I don't think FWP is going to be re-injured. Obviously, if you disagree, you'd have to put Mendenhall higher on this list (probably after McFadden - before or after Stewart is a toss up IMO).Looking forward to hearing reaction. Rip me apart, fellas....ETA: BMI info.
 
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Raiders ranked 6th in rushing yards last season.... with FARGAS as the main ball carrier!

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McFadden is going to be a star from Day One ...I mean is there really a chance that Huggy Bear's kid keeps McFadden off the field? no. Michael Bush can get the goal-line carries, thats fine. McFadden is going to punch out about 5 TDs from 50+ yards.
Fargas has been named the starter on Day One.
 
Bump because I'd like to hear some reactions to the thoughts on the rookies above.

 

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