Better Dallas Dynasty WR? (1 Viewer)

[King of the Jungle]

Which of these two has the most upside if Glenn or Owens go down? I always thought Crayton had the goods to play, but surfing around Team Message boards they seem to favor Hurd.

Any insight from a Cowboy homer would be appreciated.

 

[Beaumont]

Good question ...

They do seem to like Hurd a lot ...

 

[BigTex]

KJ, I'd go with Crayton. Hurd is good but we haven't seen enough of him but the time that we have, i.e. practice, drills, training camp ect... he's really turned some heads.

Talent wise, from what I've seen they are very similar and IMHO it wouldn't surprise me if both were starting for Dallas after Glenn and Eldo are gone. Yes, they are that talented.

 

[BigTex]

P.S. Romo looks Crayton way when they play together, they also practice together when they both were backups (damn, I forgot some of you guys are in a league with me)...............Oh I don't KNOW, don't ask me, they both suck!

 

[BigTex]

From yesterday:

Miles Austin and Sam Hurd are taking advantage of the chance to work with Romo. Austin made a leaping catch in traffic to end the morning practice. Hurd caught a 55-yard touchdown pass on a post route moments earlier. Austin made such a good move during one-on-one drills in the afternoon that Terence Newman was left flat-footed.

From today's practice Courtesy of Tim MacMahon :

3:54 -- Patrick Crayton has joined the punt returners. If I had to guess, he'll end up splitting those duties with Terence Newman, who is faster than T.O. and would whup him in a fight. ... 11-on-11 stuff about to start.

3:56 -- Tony Romo hit Patrick Crayton on an 18-yard out to the 7, but he probably would have been sacked. DeMarcus Ware and Chris Canty were in his face.

4:18 -- Romo extends the drive with a fourth-down hook to Patrick Crayton. ... Incomplete to T.O. on first down from 12. Ball went off his hands, but it was a tough catch on a ball behind him.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I think it is Crayton easily. We heard these same comments on Hurd last year but he saw little time.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I think it is Crayton easily. We heard these same comments on Hurd last year but he saw little time.

Crayton didn't necessarily light the board up either.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I think it is Crayton easily. We heard these same comments on Hurd last year but he saw little time.

Crayton didn't necessarily light the board up either.

Crayton:48 targets

36 catches

516 receiving yards

14.3 yards per reception

4 TDs

56th ranked WR

Crayton was the 56th ranked WR despite only being a WR3 for the Cowboys. And Crayton is still learning the WR position from being a small college QB.

Hurd:

11 targets

5 catches

75 receiving yards

15. yards per reception

0 TDs

131st ranked WR

 

[BigTex]

I think it is Crayton easily. We heard these same comments on Hurd last year but he saw little time.

Crayton didn't necessarily light the board up either.

I think what Jeff is saying we've seen a lot more of Crayton than Hurd. Last year Hurd was getting a lot of hype and he was looking good, I'm just not sure why or how he fail the way he did. Was it Bill or Hurd. Crayton, Hurd and Miles are clearly the ones to watch for the future.

 

[BigTex]

I guess I'm a little slow there Jeff.

Edit to add:

As concerning Romo:

T.O. clearly has his ear

So does Witten and they are really, really good friends.

Crayton and Romo know each other very well

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

I guess I'm a little slow there Jeff.

I just know that when I watched the Cowboys last year, Romo seemed to look for Crayton some in clutch situations. 31 of Crayton's 48 targets came in week 9 or later in season.

 

[BigTex]

I guess I'm a little slow there Jeff.

I just know that when I watched the Cowboys last year, Romo seemed to look for Crayton some in clutch situations. 31 of Crayton's 48 targets came in week 9 or later in season.

I agree and he's getting looks at camp now.

 

[Bears_Man2]

Crayton. IMO He'll be starting the big D next year when Dallas decides between Glenn/TO (both won't be there IMO given they have to pay Romo....well in my opinion they eventually will pay him).

I hope Crayton and Romo re-sign in Dallas. Solid chemistry together.

 

[Bankerguy]

Crayton is the safer pick here only because he currently is ahead on the depth chart based on the position he plays.

Crayton is a possession WR only and plays the slot exclusively. He has great hands but limited speed and therefore upside.

Hurd is more of a flanker. Better speed (Not a burner though) with decent hands. He runs great routes and while raw is an intriguing prospect. Hurd would be the replacement if either TO or Glenn misses time. Which is probably likely at some point this year.

Crayton would be my pick currently but don't be surprised if Hurd is the WR2 on the Cowboys sooner rather than later.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Crayton is the safer pick here only because he currently is ahead on the depth chart based on the position he plays. Crayton is a possession WR only and plays the slot exclusively. He has great hands but limited speed and therefore upside.Hurd is more of a flanker. Better speed (Not a burner though) with decent hands. He runs great routes and while raw is an intriguing prospect. Hurd would be the replacement if either TO or Glenn misses time. Which is probably likely at some point this year.Crayton would be my pick currently but don't be surprised if Hurd is the WR2 on the Cowboys sooner rather than later.

This was my fear.

 

[WhoDat]

Put some...not all...of what you are hearing regarding Hurd into a certain perspective. The reason being is that Hurd is from San Antonio. He's a local product on south Texas' favorite team...who just happen to be camping in San Antonio this year. Hurd is a great kid...over achiever...respectful...all around solid young man...but he is getting a little more glossing than normal due to the basic, human interest reporting element he offers. It makes for good copy.

In no way is that a knock against his abilities as a player or his chances of moving up the depth chart. From what I have seen at practices it is not a matter of if but when. My feeling is that Hurd has a better set of available and handy tools and he not Crayton would make the better long-term investment.

 

[Rig24]

Between Austin and Hurd. I would go with Hurd. That said, I don't think he would ever become a WR1. I think he can be good, but not great.

 

[BigTex]

Young Cowboys WRs grab spotlightInjuries to starters give Austin, Hurd chance to put talent on display01:10 AM CDT on Wednesday, August 8, 2007By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News cwatkins@dallasnews.com SAN ANTONIO – With veteran starters Terrell Owens and Terry Glenn limited at practice because of their injuries, younger receivers Miles Austin and Sam Hurd have been given an opportunity to show the Cowboys' offensive coaches what type of future they have at the position. Owens and Glenn are in their early 30s and have battled injuries in their two seasons together in Dallas. Patrick Crayton, the No. 3 receiver, is highly regarded by the Cowboys, but the offensive coaches want to see more consistency. That brings the team to Austin and Hurd, two undrafted free agents who made the team last season by hustling on special teams. "They are different body types," Crayton said. "Sam is more of a lanky type of receiver. Real flexible. We call him Noodle for how flexible he is. Miles is more husky, a bigger type of receiver." Hurd saw more time at wide receiver, even gaining two starts. He made five catches for 75 yards with no touchdowns last season. On special teams, former coach Bill Parcells praised his work. Hurd had 16 tackles, a forced fumble and a fumble recovery. After practice in training camp, Hurd is running routes against veteran cornerback Aaron Glenn and starters Anthony Henry and Terence Newman. Hurd also catches tennis balls out of a machine, a drill that helps him with his hand-eye coordination. "Every moment, every play, every practice is important to me," said Hurd, who attended Brackenridge High School. "I feel like I deserve to belong here, so I want to show them. It's not even this year. Last year was just as important to show them that I can play." Austin didn't see any time at receiver in 2006. He mainly was a scout team wide receiver, which he said helped him develop. But Austin came through for the Cowboys when Tyson Thompson suffered a season-ending fractured left ankle Oct. 29 at Carolina while returning a kickoff. Austin responded and finished his rookie season with 29 kickoff returns for 753 yards. His 26-yard kickoff return average was the second-best by a rookie in team history, behind Bob Hayes' 26.5. In the NFC wild-card loss to Seattle, Austin returned a kick 93 yards for a touchdown. Austin's return marked the first kickoff return for a touchdown in team playoff history.

 

[Sleeper 43]

A Dallas homer friend of mine said T.O's taken Hurd under his wing this off-season and he been basically attached at the hip training with T.O.

Can anyone confirm this ?

 

[switz]

Which of these two has the most upside if Glenn or Owens go down? I always thought Crayton had the goods to play, but surfing around Team Message boards they seem to favor Hurd.Any insight from a Cowboy homer would be appreciated.

Don't like either of these guys.

 

[switz]

A Dallas homer friend of mine said T.O's taken Hurd under his wing this off-season and he been basically attached at the hip training with T.O.Can anyone confirm this ?

If that's true is it a positive?

 

[Sleeper 43]

A Dallas homer friend of mine said T.O's taken Hurd under his wing this off-season and he been basically attached at the hip training with T.O.Can anyone confirm this ?

If that's true is it a positive?

I'm assuming this is regarding his personality. T.O became ALOT more mature as the season went on last year for some reason, I don't know why. Was anyone else not shocked when he acted like a total professional in the press conference after the Cowboys loss?! The old T.O might have said a thing or two about getting the ball more (Dieon even complained on NFL network) or put Romo out there for the loss. But instead he was teared up and talking about how he let Romo know he was there for him.I think his relationship with Romo is the best hes had with any Qb hes ever played with. (They talk off the field)I know T.O destroyed his previous teams with negativity but I think hes out-grown it. Even this off-seasons interviews he acting like a total pro.Now about T.O as a training mentor......... Do I really need to explain his work ethic or WR skills ? Hes probably one of the most physically fit people for his age in the world.There is plenty for a young WR to learn from T.O

 

[BigTex]

A Dallas homer friend of mine said T.O's taken Hurd under his wing this off-season and he been basically attached at the hip training with T.O.Can anyone confirm this ?

Yes, Hurd and Crayton (last year).

 

[BigTex]

A Dallas homer friend of mine said T.O's taken Hurd under his wing this off-season and he been basically attached at the hip training with T.O.Can anyone confirm this ?

If that's true is it a positive?

I'm assuming this is regarding his personality. T.O became ALOT more mature as the season went on last year for some reason, I don't know why. Was anyone else not shocked when he acted like a total professional in the press conference after the Cowboys loss?! The old T.O might have said a thing or two about getting the ball more (Dieon even complained on NFL network) or put Romo out there for the loss. But instead he was teared up and talking about how he let Romo know he was there for him.I think his relationship with Romo is the best hes had with any Qb hes ever played with. (They talk off the field)I know T.O destroyed his previous teams with negativity but I think hes out-grown it. Even this off-seasons interviews he acting like a total pro.Now about T.O as a training mentor......... Do I really need to explain his work ethic or WR skills ? Hes probably one of the most physically fit people for his age in the world.There is plenty for a young WR to learn from T.O

T.O. was the first to call Wade when the Boys hired him to welcome him to the team and word is that they talked for hours. T.O. spent some time with Romo after the playoff loss to encourage him.Believe it or not, I believe both Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders has had a lot to do with the turn around we are seeing here in T.O.He has been very, very positive.................kinda scary actually.Tex

 

[WhoDat]

A Dallas homer friend of mine said T.O's taken Hurd under his wing this off-season and he been basically attached at the hip training with T.O.Can anyone confirm this ?

I have been at a number of practices and, if perception is reality, Owens is doing his own thing at camp and from what I have heard the new coaching staff is/has let it go. Why wake a sleeping dog? This is speaking directly to what happens on the field. He is not causing a scene or running his mouth but in no way is he providing any sort of on field leadership. At least I never witnessed it. He is usually the last person out to stretch. Not as in the last person coming out of the tunnel with the rest of the team. He comes out minutes later...as in when drills or stretching have started...in a "hey, look at me" fashion. He walks from drill to drill or station to station. He walks to get back in line during passing drills. He does not appear to engage or interact with other players. Everyone else...not just undrafted FA types...run back to get in line or run from drill to drill and they all come out to stretch together. Now, Owens very well could be training with Hurd off the field...watching film and or in the weight room... but based on what I saw at practices...I am speaking specifically about practices... it is the same routine with Owens...very much about 81 and not necessarily anyone or anything else.Edit...I just wanted to add I am not knocking Owens nor am I slamming the Pokes. From a football standpoint, though, and someone that has been around the game for a long time...it is extremely frustrating to see someone with that much God given talent show such a genuine disrespect for the game and, more importantly, his coaches and team mates. It is tough watching Owens exercise his free will but it is his free will. Even with this approach Owens will go out and have a near monster season.

 

[Sopranos]

Before camp i would have said Crayton. He has been solid when needed. The word is he looks slow in camp and has lost some ground. He is father along than Hurd. IMO Hurd is atleast one season away from having #4 0r #5 value. Crayton will produce 3-4 good games in a season..

 

[BigTex]

A Dallas homer friend of mine said T.O's taken Hurd under his wing this off-season and he been basically attached at the hip training with T.O.

Can anyone confirm this ?

I have been at a number of practices and, if perception is reality, Owens is doing his own thing at camp and from what I have heard the new coaching staff is/has let it go. Why wake a sleeping dog? This is speaking directly to what happens on the field. He is not causing a scene or running his mouth but in no way is he providing any sort of on field leadership. At least I never witnessed it. He is usually the last person out to stretch. Not as in the last person coming out of the tunnel with the rest of the team. He comes out minutes later...as in when drills or stretching have started...in a "hey, look at me" fashion. He walks from drill to drill or station to station. He walks to get back in line during passing drills. He does not appear to engage or interact with other players. Everyone else...not just undrafted FA types...run back to get in line or run from drill to drill and they all come out to stretch together.

Now, Owens very well could be training with Hurd off the field...watching film and or in the weight room... but based on what I saw at practices...I am speaking specifically about practices... it is the same routine with Owens...very much about 81 and not necessarily anyone or anything else.

Edit...I just wanted to add I am not knocking Owens nor am I slamming the Pokes. From a football standpoint, though, and someone that has been around the game for a long time...it is extremely frustrating to see someone with that much God given talent show such a genuine disrespect for the game and, more importantly, his coaches and team mates. It is tough watching Owens exercise his free will but it is his free will. Even with this approach Owens will go out and have a near monster season.

Hurd listens to veteran DB

Aaron Glenn has been referred to as the Yoda of the secondary, and not just because he's short and wrinkled. The man is a fountain of football knowledge.

Glenn, a 14-year veteran known for his study habits, doesn't just help the young defensive backs. He's become a valued tutor for second-year WR Sam Hurd (right), who often works with Glenn after practice.

Many of Glenn's lessons with Hurd focus on how to release off the line of scrimmage. Hurd came out of college as a guy that did well against press coverage, but he said he used to be confused when cornerbacks played other techniques. Glenn teaches him tricks that he knows firsthand give DBs trouble.

While T.O. made a public display of taking Hurd under his wing last season, Glenn frequently whispers tips to receivers in practice. Hurd asked Glenn to take the teaching to the next level with post-practice tutorials.

"You can learn so much from him," Hurd said. "I just love it. I love working with AG."

Althought this one mentions more of Glenn, T.O. did such last year as well.http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2007/07/30/

 

[chook]

T.O. took Kevan Barlow under his wing at one stage too, didn't seem to do all that well for him.