hutchins929
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Who's the better dynasty prospect?
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Voted Eddie Royal here as a long term prospect, but I like Simpson more this year. I think Simpson has more of an opportunity to produce out of the gate. CIN needs to find a WR3 and Simpson could fill that role. It's possible Andre Caldwell could steal that position away, but right now the good money is on Simpson.
Getting back to Eddie Royal - I really like this guy. He reminds me of a young Derrick Mason, with better moves. Remember, Mason started off as a return guy who then got his chance in his 2nd year. I see Denver leaning heavily on Royal in the return department with gradual opportunities in the offense as a slot receiver in three and four WR formations. If Brandon Stokely suffers an injury, we could see Royal's presence in the offense earlier than expected, but for the most part, he'll mainly see action as a return man. Eddie Royal of 2009 is going to be a big story, I just don't see him being a big contributor from the get go. A lot will depend on his ability to make catches. He has always been an elusive receiver, but it's his hands at the pro level that I need to see more of. If he can develop that facet of his game, he could very well be a Derrick Mason clone.
Getting back to Eddie Royal - I really like this guy. He reminds me of a young Derrick Mason, with better moves. Remember, Mason started off as a return guy who then got his chance in his 2nd year. I see Denver leaning heavily on Royal in the return department with gradual opportunities in the offense as a slot receiver in three and four WR formations. If Brandon Stokely suffers an injury, we could see Royal's presence in the offense earlier than expected, but for the most part, he'll mainly see action as a return man. Eddie Royal of 2009 is going to be a big story, I just don't see him being a big contributor from the get go. A lot will depend on his ability to make catches. He has always been an elusive receiver, but it's his hands at the pro level that I need to see more of. If he can develop that facet of his game, he could very well be a Derrick Mason clone.
EBF
Footballguy
I like Royal. A lot of people are quick to dismiss his FF prospects because they see him only as a return man, but he was one of the first receivers drafted and I think it would be a mistake to overlook his receiving skills. He's a natural pass catcher with good playing speed, good hands, and impressive combine numbers. Shanahan said that of all the receivers he scouted this year, Royal was the best at beating press coverage. I think he has a chance to be the long term WR2 in Denver, which could pay nice dividends with Cutler under center. Eddie has been falling very late in a lot of my drafts, so I've scooped him up in several leagues.
I think Simpson has a long road ahead of him if he's going to become a relevant FF player. Despite the fact that he was chosen a round and a half higher than Caldwell, I think Caldwell is a more polished player with a better chance at early impact and long term success. Simpson is a bit tall and stringy. From what little I've seen of him in highlight clips, he doesn't look like a smooth route runner. There's a spastic quality to his game. Overall, I see him as yet another in a long line of hyper-athletic "projects" who probably won't pan out. Granted, I didn't watch a ton of Coastal Carolina games, but that's the impression I get from everything I've been able to piece together about Simpson.
I think Simpson has a long road ahead of him if he's going to become a relevant FF player. Despite the fact that he was chosen a round and a half higher than Caldwell, I think Caldwell is a more polished player with a better chance at early impact and long term success. Simpson is a bit tall and stringy. From what little I've seen of him in highlight clips, he doesn't look like a smooth route runner. There's a spastic quality to his game. Overall, I see him as yet another in a long line of hyper-athletic "projects" who probably won't pan out. Granted, I didn't watch a ton of Coastal Carolina games, but that's the impression I get from everything I've been able to piece together about Simpson.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Bengals WR Simpson 'pretty special
By Carlos Holmes
Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
When the Cincinnati Bengals selected Coastal Carolina wide receiver Jerome Simpson with the 46th overall pick of the NFL draft,
shouts of disbelief could be heard across Bengals country.
The organization surprised a lot of fans when the team took the small-school talent in the second round, especially with a number of highly touted receivers -- Limas Sweed, DeSean Jackson and Oklahoma's star wideout Malcolm Kelly, who the Bengals courted like a prom date leading up to the draft -- still available.
However, there was one man who wasn't surprised at all by the pick, Coastal Carolina assistant coach Hunter Spivey.
"I had been telling people for months that if he didn't go early in the draft, I know he should have," Spivey said.
"I'm hoping I'm right, I think I am, and obviously the Bengals feel that way. When Bengals wideouts coach (Mike) Sheppard came to work him out, I could tell that he was very impressed with Jerome. I was around the kid every day, and he made catches that no one has ever made before. Catches only Jerome Simpson can make. By Jerome's sophomore year, we knew that he was pretty special. We knew physically and ability wise that he was gifted."
The Bengals coaching staff got a glimpse of the receiver's special abilities during rookie minicamp earlier this month.
"You can see the speed -- the explosive speed -- and that's good to see out there on the practice field," head coach Marvin Lewis said. "You see it right away. He's shown good with his athleticism and ability to catch the football. Those are things you look for."
The 6-foot-3, 200-pound Simpson was a big time playmaker for the Chanticleers and the team's go-to-guy on offense. The rangy receiver has an outstanding 41-inch vertical jump, shows good route-running ability, body control and exceptional hands. He's a tremendous all-around football player with good character.
Coach Spivey said he always thought of Simpson as a smaller Randy Moss-type player, and that his ball skills are ridiculous.
Simpson is being looked upon heavily as the replacement for departed Chris Henry at the No. 3 wideout position.
Where Simpson might struggle at the next level is in press-coverage when facing more physical corners and playing against a higher level of talent. Another challenge for the young receiver will be harnessing his competitive nature and not getting frustrated when things get rough. Last, but not least, will be learning the Bengals' offense.
The Bengals would love to see Simpson have an impact like Saints WR Marques Colston did his rookie year when the team drafted him out of small Hofstra in the seventh-round in 2006.
If Simpson is as good as advertised and can make a smooth transition into the pros, there would be more than a rumble in the jungle for the Bengals this season.
I took a shot with Simpson, higher ceiling, imo.
I love his size, the kid is raw but has monster potential.
He's also in a great system.
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By Carlos Holmes
Staff Writer
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
When the Cincinnati Bengals selected Coastal Carolina wide receiver Jerome Simpson with the 46th overall pick of the NFL draft,
shouts of disbelief could be heard across Bengals country.
The organization surprised a lot of fans when the team took the small-school talent in the second round, especially with a number of highly touted receivers -- Limas Sweed, DeSean Jackson and Oklahoma's star wideout Malcolm Kelly, who the Bengals courted like a prom date leading up to the draft -- still available.
However, there was one man who wasn't surprised at all by the pick, Coastal Carolina assistant coach Hunter Spivey.
"I had been telling people for months that if he didn't go early in the draft, I know he should have," Spivey said.
"I'm hoping I'm right, I think I am, and obviously the Bengals feel that way. When Bengals wideouts coach (Mike) Sheppard came to work him out, I could tell that he was very impressed with Jerome. I was around the kid every day, and he made catches that no one has ever made before. Catches only Jerome Simpson can make. By Jerome's sophomore year, we knew that he was pretty special. We knew physically and ability wise that he was gifted."
The Bengals coaching staff got a glimpse of the receiver's special abilities during rookie minicamp earlier this month.
"You can see the speed -- the explosive speed -- and that's good to see out there on the practice field," head coach Marvin Lewis said. "You see it right away. He's shown good with his athleticism and ability to catch the football. Those are things you look for."
The 6-foot-3, 200-pound Simpson was a big time playmaker for the Chanticleers and the team's go-to-guy on offense. The rangy receiver has an outstanding 41-inch vertical jump, shows good route-running ability, body control and exceptional hands. He's a tremendous all-around football player with good character.
Coach Spivey said he always thought of Simpson as a smaller Randy Moss-type player, and that his ball skills are ridiculous.
Simpson is being looked upon heavily as the replacement for departed Chris Henry at the No. 3 wideout position.
Where Simpson might struggle at the next level is in press-coverage when facing more physical corners and playing against a higher level of talent. Another challenge for the young receiver will be harnessing his competitive nature and not getting frustrated when things get rough. Last, but not least, will be learning the Bengals' offense.
The Bengals would love to see Simpson have an impact like Saints WR Marques Colston did his rookie year when the team drafted him out of small Hofstra in the seventh-round in 2006.
If Simpson is as good as advertised and can make a smooth transition into the pros, there would be more than a rumble in the jungle for the Bengals this season.
I took a shot with Simpson, higher ceiling, imo.
I love his size, the kid is raw but has monster potential.
He's also in a great system.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Simpson has the higher ceiling, but Royal is more likely to be a good WR2/3 in FF. IMO Simpson could be the next Kelly Washington / Tyrone Calico or TO, while I like the Royal / Mason comparison - I wouldn't have thought about it, but I like it.In %'sSimpson - 25% chance to be WR1 quality, 50% chance to be a bust, 25% chance to WR2/3.Royal - 10% chance to be WR1 quality, 30% chance to be a bust, 60% chance to WR2/3.(I may be too high their chance to succeed, but you can get my drift)I generally like to draft the guy with a higher ceiling, but they're close.
(Rotoworld) Bengals rookie second-round WR Jerome Simpson has continued to struggle during practice.
Impact: Simpson is reportedly in "no way ready to replace Chris Henry as the No. 3 receiver." He may be limited to special teams play early in his career while he develops his receiving skills. The No. 3 spot will likely come down to Antonio Chatman, Glenn Holt, Marcus Maxwell, and third-rounder Andre Caldwell.
Impact: Simpson is reportedly in "no way ready to replace Chris Henry as the No. 3 receiver." He may be limited to special teams play early in his career while he develops his receiving skills. The No. 3 spot will likely come down to Antonio Chatman, Glenn Holt, Marcus Maxwell, and third-rounder Andre Caldwell.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Dynasty? Jerome Simpson without a doubt. I see Royal as a low ceiling option, equittable production could be found in a vet via a cheap trade (examples from last year - Toomer, Mason). Simpson's enormous ceiling makes this pick easy for me - yes, he could bust but why spend a dyno pick on a guy that should produce similar numbers of a vet that could be acquired cheaply and easily when a sky is the limit option is also available.
Boone22
Footballguy
It was the complete opposite for second-round pick wide receiver Jerome Simpson. Simpson struggled terribly on Saturday causing two Palmer interceptions by failing to complete his routes. The first interception was picked off and returned for a touchdown by cornerback Johnathan Joseph. The second pick took place in the endzone.There were a few knocks on Simpson coming out of college and a couple stood out during practice.
One: Due to his outstanding leaping ability he tends to jump for passes when he doesn't need to.
Two: Harnessing his competitive nature and not getting frustrated when things get rough.
Simpson getting down on himself could have led to the second interception.
Simpson is no way ready to replace former Bengals Chris Henry as the No. 3 receiver. In fact, third-round pick Andre Caldwell might be ahead of him at this point.
Simpson will probably be more effective and better served on special-teams until he is developed. There is no question that he is experiencing some real growing pains early on. Where's Alan Thicke when you need him.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/sports/cont...=7&cxcat=25
EBF
Footballguy
FWIW, this is the same reasoning that might've lead owners to draft Matt Jones over Mark Clayton or Greg Jennings. Now obviously Jennings is a best case scenario for Royal and Jones is a worst case scenario for Simpson, but I'm not sure the difference in upside is as great as you're implying. Royal is just as athletic as Simpson and he arguably has an easier path to playing time since Marshall is on the only young talent at WR on his team.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't think comparing Simpson to Matt Jones is a fair one, Jones likely cost more and had never played WR. I see what you're saying, just don't think Jones is an appropriate comparison. Haven't looked at ADP's in a while since my first dyno draft has come and gone and #2 isn't until August, but we're talking about guys who are 4th/5th rounders in IDP dyno's and 3rd/4th rounder's in non-IDP dyno's. There's a difference in my eyes in swinging for the fences with your 2nd round dyno pick and swinging for the fences with your 4th, the later the pick the bigger the swing. I also believe in my evaluation of the bigger upside projects, this strategy isn't for everyone. If you can't handle being horribly wrong sometimes or don't trust your instincts going the safer route may be better for you.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I like Simpson's upside as much as any WR to come out in recent memory. With a little refinement, this kid could be really, really special.
Andre's more physically gifted than Reche was. He's also more polished and a more complete player. Also, Reche can't be that bad if he's managed to last 6 years in the league. He's not WR1/WR2 caliber, but he's clearly talented enough to keep making rosters.
i wont disagree that caldwell is probably the safer pick. there are plenty of those types on the waiver wire though. as far as fantasy success i see simpson's ceiling being much higher but his floor is lower too.
lod01
Footballguy
Ever notice that the younger brother is never as good as the older brother? I still like Caldwell because of where ended up.
FUBAR
Footballguy
no, actually I haven't. Aside from Peyton / Eli, what's your study group?
EBF
Footballguy
:Calico:
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Maybe I'm in the minority but i'm not a big fan of Simpson and I dont trust his hands.(sure they are huge but he seems to struggle making certain catches.) Plus he doesnt seem as fluid off the line and in and out of his breaks. Honestly if his hands weren't so big and he didn't jump almost 12ft in the broad jump I dont think anyone would have been talking about him. Now as far as Royal goes I may be in the minority also as I have him rated right behind the BIG wrs(Kelly, Sweed, and Thomas) I also think he could turn out to be the Steve Smith #1 of this class. If you look at Smith you'll he and Royal have alot of similar traits. (toughness, hands, speed, quickness, and Route running). I dont know yet if he has that fire that SS plays with or not but he definitely has to higher ceiling to me. I also honestly think he may be 1 injury away from being an immediately playable wr. But then again thats JMHO.
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There's also Champ and Boss Bailey.Of course, even Peyton/Eli is a terrible example, because Peyton and Eli are both much better football players than their older brother, Cooper. I suppose you could make a list of NFL players who have male siblings and figure how many older and how many younger siblings they have, but you can't strictly go by NFL players because the vast majority of NFL players have brothers (either older or younger) who were never even good enough to make the league.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Exactly, which is what makes it a ######ed argument.BTW, I can't believe that there is serious debate between Simpson and Royal.
