Better player: Calvin or Fitz? (1 Viewer)

[face105]

I think most everyone would agree that Larry Fitzgerald is a better play than Calvin Johnson for the remainder of this season. But what about in the future? My team is out of it for this year but I have the opportunity to acquire either right now. But only one.

Both are incredibly physically talented, Calvin maybe more so. Currently, however, Fitzgerald benefits from a much better offense. Kurt Warner won't be around forever and Dan Orvlosky can't be the long-term answer in Detroit.

So my question is: who is the better option in the future? Fitz? Calvin? Too close to tell?

Thanks.

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[moderated]

Did you like Jerry Rice or Randy Moss better.

Fitz is like Rice, Calvin is like Moss. They are both top WR's in the NFL, it's like splitting hairs.

 

[jonboltz]

Fitz has proven a whole lot more.

 

[Ripleys]

these are by far the best 2 WRs to own in a dynasty league IMO. I would have to give Fitz the SLIGHT nod because of his QB play, BUT all bets are off when Warner retires.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Depends if the Lions get a QB or not

 

[CMU37484]

Fitz has proven a whole lot more.

Not sure why that's relevant here? Of COURSE he's proven a lot more, he's been in the league for FIVE YEARS.In a dynasty if I was forced to keep one I think I'd want Calvin. But it depends on Boldin's future with the Cards. If Boldin stays in Arizona I easily keep Calvin here. By next year the Lions might hopefully have a QB with a pulse and the franchise has nowhere to go but up.If they hire a GM that doesn't have his head up his @#% then they will get a slew of draft picks next year and start a slow rebuilding process that starts in the trenches with some linemen.Anyways, Fitz now, Calvin long term, but you can't screw up with either guy.

 

[chrisconti21]

Clearly Fitz is more consistent because of better qb play. Going forward their value will be contingent on whose throwing the ball. If kurt has another year or two left, which he claims he does, I'll take Larry without thinking twice. Even if Linert is the QB in another season or 2 I still like Fitz as long as Calvin is getting the ball from Orlavsky, Stanton, or some ####### rookie qb.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

The real question is, who would you want for the long-term if all things were equal. I have Calvin as my #1 dynasty WR despite him not being "proven" like Fitz and others. You can't go wrong with Fitz, but for me, Calvin's upside is downright scary and I would rather keep him.

I stick to my convictions and either sink or swim. Like everyone else, I'm not always right, but if I should be wrong and go down, at least I'm going down my way with my choices.

 

[shader]

I love both of these guys and did whatever I could to acquire both in my dynasty league, as I think they are 1A and 1B.

I don't think you can look at situation in dynasty. Heck, Warner could retire after this year and Leinart could stink it up next year, while the Lions could get a decent QB, which is really all CJ needs.

Even with Orlovsky, CJ has put up really good numbers this year and I think has the most talent in the league. He can do everything Fitz can do, plus he's faster.

CJ is top 5 until they get a QB. When they get a QB, he's number 1.

 

[lord_helmet]

I stick to my convictions and either sink or swim. Like everyone else, I'm not always right, but if I should be wrong and go down, at least I'm going down my way with my choices.

Through the years in the different leagues we used to play in together, I have always respected you for this. You always seemed to snipe the players I wanted, so you must be doing something right

 

[EBF]

Fitz is already what Calvin aspires to become.

 

[Garts]

I actually own both...in a keeper...

But on the issue...I think we haven't seen the best of Fitz yet and lord knows how good Calvin could be.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Fitz is already what Calvin aspires to become.

Fitz is already what Fitz aspires to become. The most Fitz has ever scored in any one season is 10 TD's. That's going to come across like I'm thinking 10 TD's ain't sh--. I think Larry Fitzgerald is a damn fine WR, and the 2nd most valuable WR in dynasty football. Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

 

[EBF]

Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

This is where we differ. I don't think Calvin's ceiling is much higher than Fitz's. I like Calvin. Always have. Drafted him in one dynasty this year and would've taken him in another if Moss hadn't slipped to my pick.

But I think internet pundits have exaggerated his upside a little bit. He's not Randy Moss.

I'll take Fitzgerald and his guaranteed 100 catches, 1400 yards, and double digit TDs.

 

[treat88]

Fitz is already what Calvin aspires to become.

Fitz is already what Fitz aspires to become. The most Fitz has ever scored in any one season is 10 TD's. That's going to come across like I'm thinking 10 TD's ain't sh--. I think Larry Fitzgerald is a damn fine WR, and the 2nd most valuable WR in dynasty football. Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

This is just crazy talk.I love CJ2 as much as anyone. He is the prototype mentally and physically for the WR position.

But, please, he has to produce at least one season in Fitz's realm to be ranked with Fitz.

Fitz has proven it on the field, until CJ2 does it, he's just hype.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Fitz is already what Calvin aspires to become.

Fitz is already what Fitz aspires to become. The most Fitz has ever scored in any one season is 10 TD's. That's going to come across like I'm thinking 10 TD's ain't sh--. I think Larry Fitzgerald is a damn fine WR, and the 2nd most valuable WR in dynasty football. Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

This is just crazy talk.I love CJ2 as much as anyone. He is the prototype mentally and physically for the WR position.

But, please, he has to produce at least one season in Fitz's realm to be ranked with Fitz.

Fitz has proven it on the field, until CJ2 does it, he's just hype.

Then you don't love Calvin as much as anyone. I've seen enough to know that, a decade from now, I'd be extremely disappointed if his high-water mark was 10 TD's. You're right, he hasn't done it. That's a very valid point. I think a lot of this has to do with your level of risk-tolerance. I've seen Calvin's explosiveness with my own eyes and I'm just talking about my expectations.

 

[cmv5]

Fitz is already what Calvin aspires to become.

Fitz is already what Fitz aspires to become. The most Fitz has ever scored in any one season is 10 TD's. That's going to come across like I'm thinking 10 TD's ain't sh--. I think Larry Fitzgerald is a damn fine WR, and the 2nd most valuable WR in dynasty football. Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

As a long time dynasty owner of both players I have to say that putting Fitzgerald's ceiling near 10 touchdowns is a mistake. As crazy as it may seem he is underutilized around the goal line. Fitzgerald has close to a 50% success rate in the red zone and yet he is thrown to less in this area than many other receivers including Boldin. Also, if Boldin were to ever leave Arizona, I believe Fitzgerald would be even more successful as he seems to score in every game that Boldin is out. Fitzgerald has also improved considerably over the course of 5 years in the league. He has become a much better route runner and should continue to improve in this area. Bottom line on Fitzgerald is he is one of the most talented guys in the league and has as much potential as any receiver. If he were targeted like Brandon Marshall it would be insane.To the original point of this thread, Calvin kind of reminds me of Fitzgerald in some ways, strong, tall with incredible leaping ability and both a little raw on route running coming into the league. Both are workout warriors with incredible work ethics, both strive to improve. Their differences are Larry seems to have better hands (Calvin seems to have mental lapses and drops the ball here and there, incredible circus catches aside) and Calvin is definitely faster and has that Randy Moss gear. If you are looking for consistency, Fitzgerald is your guy. To me this is a very close decision and I think Calvin has the potential to become most of what Fitzgerald is now with the extra gear. Since I am an upside whore, I would let that be the tiebreaker and go for Calvin.

 

[Loopdog]

i like Fitz but I think Calvin is in a league of his own talent wise. That said, talent doesn't always win out in the NFL. You need to have a decent situation to succeed as well, and its obvious that Calvin does not have that at this point and with Detroit, who knows if he ever will. I just hope he keeps his desire to be great around a bunch of malcontents until he can get out of there or they turn it around. So basically until he can get out of there.

Fitz is the better player to own now, but if I had to choose one long term I'd take Calvin just because of his silly talent.

 

[Road Warriors]

On talent, probably Calvin, but its real close in my book. Looking at the next 3 years, which is about as far out as I am willing to look, I'd probably stick with Fitz due to situation. DET looks to be bad for some time, and with no QB, I don't see how CJ2 gets to maximize his potential.

If Warner hangs 'em up, we're back to even.

 

[moderated]

Difference between the two.

Calvin is faster

Fitz has better hands, probably some of the best hands in the history of the NFL.

I would take Fitz, but there is nothing wrong with ranking Calvin ahead of him.

 

[LOCO]

anyone willing to trade LT straight up in a dynasty league for calvin?

 

[awesomeness]

I'll take Fitzgerald every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Fitz is already what Calvin aspires to become.

Fitz is already what Fitz aspires to become. The most Fitz has ever scored in any one season is 10 TD's. That's going to come across like I'm thinking 10 TD's ain't sh--. I think Larry Fitzgerald is a damn fine WR, and the 2nd most valuable WR in dynasty football. Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

As a long time dynasty owner of both players I have to say that putting Fitzgerald's ceiling near 10 touchdowns is a mistake. As crazy as it may seem he is underutilized around the goal line. Fitzgerald has close to a 50% success rate in the red zone and yet he is thrown to less in this area than many other receivers including Boldin. Also, if Boldin were to ever leave Arizona, I believe Fitzgerald would be even more successful as he seems to score in every game that Boldin is out. Fitzgerald has also improved considerably over the course of 5 years in the league. He has become a much better route runner and should continue to improve in this area. Bottom line on Fitzgerald is he is one of the most talented guys in the league and has as much potential as any receiver. If he were targeted like Brandon Marshall it would be insane.To the original point of this thread, Calvin kind of reminds me of Fitzgerald in some ways, strong, tall with incredible leaping ability and both a little raw on route running coming into the league. Both are workout warriors with incredible work ethics, both strive to improve. Their differences are Larry seems to have better hands (Calvin seems to have mental lapses and drops the ball here and there, incredible circus catches aside) and Calvin is definitely faster and has that Randy Moss gear. If you are looking for consistency, Fitzgerald is your guy. To me this is a very close decision and I think Calvin has the potential to become most of what Fitzgerald is now with the extra gear. Since I am an upside whore, I would let that be the tiebreaker and go for Calvin.

I can buy all of that. Great points.

 

[Finless]

Calvin is the greatest WR ever. He's that good. He just needs a decent gun slinger.

 

[moderated]

anyone willing to trade LT straight up in a dynasty league for calvin?

Calvin is so much more valuable then LT in a dynasty it isn't even worth discussing.If your the LT owner good luck getting Calvin for him, it won't happen unless the Calvin owner is a fool.Calvin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LT in dynasty, not close at all.

 

[maxwelledison]

I realize Calvin is a physical marvel but let's not forget Fitz is also a prodigy: Fitzgerald has 4 yrs experience, Calvin has 1 and Larry is only 2 years older (25).

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Can't answer this until we know what kind of QB Drew Stanton will be.

For the near term, I'd rather have Fitz.

 

[ThePittbully]

Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

This is where we differ. I don't think Calvin's ceiling is much higher than Fitz's. I like Calvin. Always have. Drafted him in one dynasty this year and would've taken him in another if Moss hadn't slipped to my pick.

But I think internet pundits have exaggerated his upside a little bit. He's not Randy Moss.

I'll take Fitzgerald and his guaranteed 100 catches, 1400 yards, and double digit TDs.

I agree, and I dont understand why people say this either. How can his upside be "way higher" than a guy who gets you 100 catches 1400 yards and double digit TD's every time he plays a full season. That concept is lost on me

 

[FantasyTrader]

Fitz' best year of 10 TD's doesn't even sniff what Calvin Johnson aspires to become in his career. If Calvin was manning Colston's slot in New Orleans or Fitz' slot in Arizona, I dare say we'd be having threads here already arguing he's going to be the greatest WR ever.

This is where we differ. I don't think Calvin's ceiling is much higher than Fitz's. I like Calvin. Always have. Drafted him in one dynasty this year and would've taken him in another if Moss hadn't slipped to my pick.

But I think internet pundits have exaggerated his upside a little bit. He's not Randy Moss.

I'll take Fitzgerald and his guaranteed 100 catches, 1400 yards, and double digit TDs.

I agree, and I dont understand why people say this either. How can his upside be "way higher" than a guy who gets you 100 catches 1400 yards and double digit TD's every time he plays a full season. That concept is lost on me

You put 'way higher' in quotes. Granted I just quickly scanned the thread and could be missing it - but I'm not seeing where anyone in this thread has said his upside is way higher.

 

[teamroc]

Fitz has proven a whole lot more.

Not sure why that's relevant here? Of COURSE he's proven a lot more, he's been in the league for FIVE YEARS.

Which uh, is HIS POINT.Can Calvin a be 90 catch, #1 WR, 1400 yards 8-12 TD guy?Probably. But why even go there, when you already have the best WR in the league? Will Calvin ever be better then Fitz? Unlikely. So you're taking a small risk, to gain nothing. Fitz is the best WR in the league, NFL or fantasy. For the record there's very few WRs I would keep over Calvin, but Fitz is one without question. You'd keep Calvin, hoping one day he could match Fitz. Uh, you already got Fitz. Go trade Calvin.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Fitz has proven a whole lot more.

Not sure why that's relevant here? Of COURSE he's proven a lot more, he's been in the league for FIVE YEARS.

Which uh, is HIS POINT.Can Calvin a be 90 catch, #1 WR, 1400 yards 8-12 TD guy?

Probably. But why even go there, when you already have the best WR in the league? Will Calvin ever be better then Fitz? Unlikely. So you're taking a small risk, to gain nothing. Fitz is the best WR in the league, NFL or fantasy.

For the record there's very few WRs I would keep over Calvin, but Fitz is one without question. You'd keep Calvin, hoping one day he could match Fitz. Uh, you already got Fitz. Go trade Calvin.

But the bolded statement is where we part company. I can't imagine Fitz ever being in a more friendly environment and I can't imagine Calvin ever being in a more hostile environment (as far as scoring FP is concerned). I think you're taking a small risk to get a potential upgrade in dynasty.

 

[jurb26]

these are by far the best 2 WRs to own in a dynasty league IMO. I would have to give Fitz the SLIGHT nod because of his QB play, BUT all bets are off when Warner retires.

Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston?

 

[Garts]

If I was in a dynasty league...a start-up draft of any kind and I had to take a receiver to start my team...it's Larry Fitzgerald without thinking once...twice or any number of times.

Good situation...easy division....GOOD head on his shoulders and world-class ability.

 

[The Jacket]

Did you like Jerry Rice or Randy Moss better.Fitz is like Rice, Calvin is like Moss. They are both top WR's in the NFL, it's like splitting hairs.

Can't believe this wasn't picked up on more before now. Seriously. I'm not 100 percent you mean it, but the amount of negative suggestion here is absurd, at least to me. Maybe you're just saying 1a to 1b, but to me Rice is by far the greatest WR in NFL history, while Moss is just a weapon. The best weapon ever, to be sure, but a weapon nonetheless. Rice was a much better overall player. As I read it the only thing I could think is how CJ is so much more as a WR. He runs every route, blocks, is the epitome of character, etc. To answer the question, CJ. Easily. In fantasy, however, I'm a Fitzgerald owner and I wouldn't trade him straight-up for Calvin for ONE reason -- Warner >>>>>>>> (times infinity) Orlovsky, or whatever other turd the Lions start. There's just too much uncertainty for me to think that CJ will outproduce Fitz any time soon. But there's zero doubt in my mind that CJ is a better talent and will play the WR position better than Fitz.

 

[jurb26]

Did you like Jerry Rice or Randy Moss better.Fitz is like Rice, Calvin is like Moss. They are both top WR's in the NFL, it's like splitting hairs.

Can't believe this wasn't picked up on more before now. Seriously. I'm not 100 percent you mean it, but the amount of negative suggestion here is absurd, at least to me. Maybe you're just saying 1a to 1b, but to me Rice is by far the greatest WR in NFL history, while Moss is just a weapon. The best weapon ever, to be sure, but a weapon nonetheless. Rice was a much better overall player. As I read it the only thing I could think is how CJ is so much more as a WR. He runs every route, blocks, is the epitome of character, etc. To answer the question, CJ. Easily. In fantasy, however, I'm a Fitzgerald owner and I wouldn't trade him straight-up for Calvin for ONE reason -- Warner >>>>>>>> (times infinity) Orlovsky, or whatever other turd the Lions start. There's just too much uncertainty for me to think that CJ will outproduce Fitz any time soon. But there's zero doubt in my mind that CJ is a better talent and will play the WR position better than Fitz.

Moss is better than Rice and Fitz is better than Johnson.So I guess I disagree with both of you.

 

[moderated]

Did you like Jerry Rice or Randy Moss better.Fitz is like Rice, Calvin is like Moss. They are both top WR's in the NFL, it's like splitting hairs.

Can't believe this wasn't picked up on more before now. Seriously. I'm not 100 percent you mean it, but the amount of negative suggestion here is absurd, at least to me. Maybe you're just saying 1a to 1b, but to me Rice is by far the greatest WR in NFL history, while Moss is just a weapon. The best weapon ever, to be sure, but a weapon nonetheless. Rice was a much better overall player. As I read it the only thing I could think is how CJ is so much more as a WR. He runs every route, blocks, is the epitome of character, etc. To answer the question, CJ. Easily. In fantasy, however, I'm a Fitzgerald owner and I wouldn't trade him straight-up for Calvin for ONE reason -- Warner >>>>>>>> (times infinity) Orlovsky, or whatever other turd the Lions start. There's just too much uncertainty for me to think that CJ will outproduce Fitz any time soon. But there's zero doubt in my mind that CJ is a better talent and will play the WR position better than Fitz.

Comparing CJ to Moss was more about freakish athletic talent, not necessarily their games.Fitz already runs HOF routes, already has great character, already has HOF hands. The one and only thing Calvin clearly has on him is speed. That's it.Now don't get me wrong, Calvin is also strong in the other areas, but he'll never have the hands of Fitz (Calvin's are good but Fitz has some of the best hands i've ever seen).Anyone who says it's clear one way or the other really doesn't have an objective opinion. To say Calvin easily is laughable.

 

[thevidon]

Calvin Johnson has better physical measureables than Larry Fitzgerald. Larry Fitzgerald is more well rounded in his skills, and is playing on a much more solid offense. I would take Fitzgerald over CJ right now at any time, in any format.

Until the lions significantly turn around their offensive woes Fitzgerald will remain the stronger weekly player.

 

[teamroc]

Fitz has proven a whole lot more.

Not sure why that's relevant here? Of COURSE he's proven a lot more, he's been in the league for FIVE YEARS.

Which uh, is HIS POINT.Can Calvin a be 90 catch, #1 WR, 1400 yards 8-12 TD guy?

Probably. But why even go there, when you already have the best WR in the league? Will Calvin ever be better then Fitz? Unlikely. So you're taking a small risk, to gain nothing. Fitz is the best WR in the league, NFL or fantasy.

For the record there's very few WRs I would keep over Calvin, but Fitz is one without question. You'd keep Calvin, hoping one day he could match Fitz. Uh, you already got Fitz. Go trade Calvin.

But the bolded statement is where we part company. I can't imagine Fitz ever being in a more friendly environment and I can't imagine Calvin ever being in a more hostile environment (as far as scoring FP is concerned). I think you're taking a small risk to get a potential upgrade in dynasty.

While that is true, Fitz is killing Calvin ATM. So enverionment changes, maybe Calvin catches up a little? Fitz is the #1 WR right now. You're saying Calvin has a chance to be a better #1 WR. That's pretty iffy. Could be true, but why even go there. Enjoy having the best dynasty WR in FF right now. To think you can get Calvin, project him to catch and pass Fitz in terms of FF production. That's simply a leap I wouldn't take. No reason.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Fitz has proven a whole lot more.

Not sure why that's relevant here? Of COURSE he's proven a lot more, he's been in the league for FIVE YEARS.

Which uh, is HIS POINT.Can Calvin a be 90 catch, #1 WR, 1400 yards 8-12 TD guy?

Probably. But why even go there, when you already have the best WR in the league? Will Calvin ever be better then Fitz? Unlikely. So you're taking a small risk, to gain nothing. Fitz is the best WR in the league, NFL or fantasy.

For the record there's very few WRs I would keep over Calvin, but Fitz is one without question. You'd keep Calvin, hoping one day he could match Fitz. Uh, you already got Fitz. Go trade Calvin.

But the bolded statement is where we part company. I can't imagine Fitz ever being in a more friendly environment and I can't imagine Calvin ever being in a more hostile environment (as far as scoring FP is concerned). I think you're taking a small risk to get a potential upgrade in dynasty.

While that is true, Fitz is killing Calvin ATM. So enverionment changes, maybe Calvin catches up a little? Fitz is the #1 WR right now. You're saying Calvin has a chance to be a better #1 WR. That's pretty iffy. Could be true, but why even go there. Enjoy having the best dynasty WR in FF right now. To think you can get Calvin, project him to catch and pass Fitz in terms of FF production. That's simply a leap I wouldn't take. No reason.

We'll agree to disagree. Nobody is killing Calvin right now. (caveat: In my dynasty league, bonuses are awarded by length of TD and Calvin is tied with Greg Jennings as the #1 overall WR in that format after this last weekend). In my high-performance scoring league - Fitz is 4th and Calvin is 12th.

 

[The Jacket]

In my PPR league, Calvin has 101.9 points. Fitzgerald has 120.6. That is Fitzgerald at his best, with Kurt Warner playing like an MVP, versus Calvin with some turd by the name of Dan Orlovsky at QB, on a 0-6 team. If that's "killing," I'd love to be in your league.

To the poster who said the only thing CJ has on Fitz is speed ... well, watch some film. That's about the only thing that can help remedy that ignorant statement.

Maybe some of you folks aren't seeing it because of the Lions factor, but CJ is a generational talent. Fitz is great, but he's in a tier below. As I've already said, it might not translate to raw production on the football field, but it certainly won't be because of CJ.

 

[The Jacket]

I'll quickly add that my league, as mentioned above, is very standard other than giving points to return yardage, of which CJ has none, so I don't know WHAT league Fitz is "killing" him in, but again I'd love to be in it.

 

[jurb26]

To the poster who said the only thing CJ has on Fitz is speed ... well, watch some film. That's about the only thing that can help remedy that ignorant statement.

OK, what other advantage or skill does he have over Fitz then? I know he has better size.

 

[moderated]

To the poster who said the only thing CJ has on Fitz is speed ... well, watch some film. That's about the only thing that can help remedy that ignorant statement.

OK, what other advantage or skill does he have over Fitz then? I know he has better size.

i don't fault Jacket for favoring Calvin, but his comments are beyond ignorant.I'd also love to hear all these skills that Calvin has better then Fitz. If he says hands then i'm assured he's never watched Fitz in his life.

 

[The Jacket]

To the poster who said the only thing CJ has on Fitz is speed ... well, watch some film. That's about the only thing that can help remedy that ignorant statement.

OK, what other advantage or skill does he have over Fitz then? I know he has better size.

Body control, leaping ability, seperation (this one is huge*), strength. What else is there? * They all are, to be honest, but this is the big one. Fitzgerald does not come close to getting the seperation that CJ does. A great example is the Dallas game, which, if you watched, you'll note included a few impressive Fitz grabs over 5'10" CBs. CJ doesn't even NEED to do that because he's five yards in front or past whoever is covering him.I don't want to sound hyperbolic, but the only way I can make my point is to describe what I see. I love Fitzgerald. Gave up a ransom to draft him. And he's a great character. But CJ he is not. If the Lions ever get a QB close to Kurt Warner, CJ will break every single-season WR record in NFL history.

 

[jurb26]

To the poster who said the only thing CJ has on Fitz is speed ... well, watch some film. That's about the only thing that can help remedy that ignorant statement.

OK, what other advantage or skill does he have over Fitz then? I know he has better size.

Body control, leaping ability, seperation (this one is huge*), strength. What else is there? * They all are, to be honest, but this is the big one. Fitzgerald does not come close to getting the seperation that CJ does. A great example is the Dallas game, which, if you watched, you'll note included a few impressive Fitz grabs over 5'10" CBs. CJ doesn't even NEED to do that because he's five yards in front or past whoever is covering him.

I don't want to sound hyperbolic, but the only way I can make my point is to describe what I see. I love Fitzgerald. Gave up a ransom to draft him. And he's a great character. But CJ he is not. If the Lions ever get a QB close to Kurt Warner, CJ will break every single-season WR record in NFL history.

Pretty much lost me here...

 

[The Jacket]

i don't fault Jacket for favoring Calvin, but his comments are beyond ignorant.

First of all, responding before I get a chance to is pretty stupid. At least hear me out.More importantly, ignorance is not knowing. To say that there is only ONE thing that Calvin Johnson has on Fitz -- and that everything else is either equal or worse -- is PURE ignorance. You're basically saying that Fitz > CJ in every regard at the WR position other than speed, which is MORE than I am saying in favor of CJ. I would concede a few things Fitz has on CJ, and you seem willing to concede just one that CJ has on Fitz.

 

[The Jacket]

Pretty much lost me here...

Because you don't know what it is or because you think Fitz >=?If it's the latter, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRqyjzyBRg&...feature=related.

The former, I don't know what to tell you. It exists, and it's evident in every football game you'll ever watch.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I think the only wrong answer is, "Player x...easily".

Lets be clear, whether you're on Calvin's side or Fitz' side in dynasty - it's c-l-o-s-e.

 

[moderated]

To the poster who said the only thing CJ has on Fitz is speed ... well, watch some film. That's about the only thing that can help remedy that ignorant statement.

OK, what other advantage or skill does he have over Fitz then? I know he has better size.

Body control, leaping ability, seperation (this one is huge*), strength. What else is there?

LOL at better body control. Also what else is there? Have you ever considered that hands is one of the most important elements to a WR.Please tell me you think Calvin has better hands to prove your blind.Just to be clear that i don't dislike Calvin i have him as my #2 dynasty WR and don't think your wrong to have him #1, but to say things like clearly and then back it up with false statements is just ridiculous.

 

[moderated]

You're basically saying that Fitz > CJ in every regard at the WR position other than speed.

That was not what i was implying.