Big 10-How can a great confrence produce such crap NFL RB's? (1 Viewer)

[SSOG]

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

I agree with the Little Dozen, but the Big Eleven has several quality teams. Ohio State and Michigan are both contenders. Iowa and Penn State are very solid teams. Minnesota, Purdue, and Michigan State are all teams capable of ruining a lot of teams' afternoons.

Interesting point.It has to have something to do with the huge OL the Big 10 produces, and the lack of athletic DL the Big 10 produces.When I think of OL...I think of guys like Hutchinson, Backus, Runyan, Pace, etc...all from the Big 10.When I think of DL...I think of guys like Sapp, Reggie, Henderson, Stroud, etc...all from the South.I didn't research...Maybe that is a false statement...but it sure seems that way.

It's not just DLs... the SEC is a factory for LBs, too. Furthermore, they tend to have more progressive coaches, more progressive gameplans, much better recruits, and a much closer talent disparity than the Big Eleven. The result is that you have stud RB recruits who are getting superb coaching in legitimate offenses, and who are then going out and playing against legitimate studs on the other side of the field every week. If someone excels in SEC play, you know they did it against the best of the best, and that tends to translate better in the NFL.In the Big Eleven, the game's a lot further behind the times. They're still running those 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offenses. They get those big huge road-graders blocking for them, and then it's just a matter of giving the ball to whoever is in the backfield and having him run through gaping holes.

Cal got rocked after traveling across the continent to face an underrated football team...it was a bad game. Everybody knows this. It doesn't mean Cal is not a good football team.

Tennessee isn't underrated. They're pretty accurately rated- the 5th best team in the SEC.

Uh, they won two and everybody knows the Carson Palmer Trojans would have #####slapped LSU. The consecutive wins, National Championship and three of the last four Heismans makes it a dynasty. I sure as hell don't see Texas or Ohio State putting up those kinds of statements.

First off, not everyone knows that they would have "#####slapped LSU". I, for one, happen to disagree. Second off, USC didn't even have the best dynasty of this millenium. That would go to Miami- you know, the team with even *MORE* consecutive wins, just as many national championships (USC had the split championship, while Miami had the one they were jobbed in because of the BS PI call, so give them 1.5 each), and sent far more players into the NFL (Reggie Bush, for all the hype, doesn't hold a candle to Portis, and LenDale is no McGahee or Gore).

4 of the 11 backs mentioned in the original post are quality. I don't think that is such a bad thing.There's a lot more to do in the midwest, I don't even watch college football there is so much to do.

Which for do you consider quality?Thanks for responding to the original post.I feel violated after reading the other 65 posts.

Eddie George, Larry Johnson, Chris Perry, and Maroney.Chris Perry has had his share of injuries, but when he's been on the NFL field he's the real deal.

I wan not in agreement with you on Perry, but I looked at his stats, Rushing meh....Receiving 51 receptions in 2005

Perry's receiving stats are inflated by the huge number of targets he receives. He's actually an extremely overrated receiving RB. Most of his yards come on 3rd down plays that don't convert (a guy could catch a million 8 yard passes and I wouldn't care in the slightest if they all came on 3rd-and-10). Notable, too, is that he only averages 5.3 yards per target (a pathetic 6.4 yards per catch).

Your right, they do.This is focusing on a specific position from a specefic confrence.I haven't done any research on any other confrence, maybe someone can.

Football Outsiders ran a great study comparing Big Ten RBs to SEC RBs. It is certainly a very clear phenomenon that SEC RBs just do better in the NFL and that Big Ten RBs just do worse.

 

[bigtyme]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

This is the most asinine statement I have ever heard pertaining to college football in my life.Well, except for maybe this one:

Oregon may very well beat USC this year, and will subsequently spank whoever they face in a bowl game.

Oregon subsequently spank whoever they face in a bowl game? Kind of like last year when they "got screwed" after going 10-1 and had to play lowly Oklahoma in the lowly Holiday Bowl? They sure rolled over OU in the bowl game after going 7-1 in a "tough" PAC-10 last year. Please.Give us all a break, the PAC-10 has USC and THAT'S IT.Saying the Big Ten is a borderline mid-major is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard and you know it. No, wait, actually you're right. Conference USA has a lot of teams ranked in the Top 10, Top 25, winning big time bowl games, and putting tons of quality players in the NFL year after year. Oh wait, no they don't. That's the difference between the Big Ten and Conference USA (or insert any other mid major here). That's also the difference between the Big Ten and the PAC-10... "sans" USC.

 

[Bojang0301]

Here are Sagarin's conference rankings in case the Midwest homers need some objective proof.

Conference Rankings

That's got to be one of the worst things I've ever seen. Can I have my 7 minutes back?

Probably the most premiere conference strength rankings put out today...the handicappers love Sagarin.

Final 2005 ratings:http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc05.htm

Even if the Pac-10 is a better conference LHUCKS is fishing by calling the Big Ten a mid major conference... also a tool for it.

You're calling me names because I said a conference is mid-major caliber...that doesn't fly around here guy.

As always you're fishing and pissing in the Shark Pool. Please go away you wanna be mod.

 

[Irish]

Cal got rocked after traveling across the continent to face an underrated football team...it was a bad game. Everybody knows this. It doesn't mean Cal is not a good football team.

BTW, Tennessee is not in the Big12 or Big10.

But wasn't Texas on January 4th of this year? Just curious. . .

sweet game...VY pulled the best game of his career out of his ### and Texas barely takes down the bigges college football dynasty since the 70s USC teams.Great for Texas...let me know when you're done talking about last year. This thread is about how sucky the 23 teams from the Big12 and Big10 are collectively.

You must have missed the previous Rose Bowl where VY dominated that game as well. You act like VY was a nobody who just had a career game. USC also played with an inelible player and still couldn't beat the Horns.

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

[ They're still running those 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offenses.

Big Ten = 28.89 passing attempts per gameSEC = 26.4 passing attempts per gameYou might want to watch some BigTen football.

 

[conanobrien]

[ They're still running those 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offenses.

Big Ten = 28.89 passing attempts per gameSEC = 26.4 passing attempts per gameYou might want to watch some BigTen football.

I thought SSOG was talking about rushing, not passing. ?????

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

[ They're still running those 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offenses.

Big Ten = 28.89 passing attempts per gameSEC = 26.4 passing attempts per gameYou might want to watch some BigTen football.

I thought SSOG was talking about rushing, not passing. ?????

I may have misread it, I just hear the Big Ten forward pass jokes on here alot.

 

[SSOG]

[ They're still running those 3-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust offenses.

Big Ten = 28.89 passing attempts per gameSEC = 26.4 passing attempts per gameYou might want to watch some BigTen football.

Five of the top 20 rated passers in college football are in the SEC. One of the top 20 rated passers is from the Big Ten (Troy Smith, 16th, behind 4 SEC signal callers).Anyway, this is besides the point. I wasn't trying to make a joke about how bass-ackwards the Big Ten is, because I think it's a very high-quality football conference, second only to the SEC right now. I was mostly referring to the TYPES of offense that are run. The Big Ten has been *VERY* resistant to innovation. The SEC continually brings in very young big-name hot-commodity coaches. It embraces change and innovation. It brings in guys like Spurrier and Meyer who have truly revolutionary offenses. It's a different game in the SEC. The Big Ten is more of an old-boys club who are hired to do things the way they've always been done.Finally, as has been noted before, the SEC has the best defenses in the country. If you excel here, odds are you're going to excel in the NFL (because you're playing NFL-caliber competition every week).

 

[comfortably numb]

Big 10 is regarded as one of the best confrences year in and year out.Commanding the some of the best recruits every year.Yet, their constant DUD running backs can't be denied.I have done some basic research to find their 1st RD picks over the last decade1995 Ki Janna Carter (Penn State)1995 Tyrone Wheatly (Michigan)1996 Tim Biakahbituka (Michigan)1996 Eddie George (Ohio State) (The diamond in the rough)1997 NONE1998 Curtis Enis (Penn State)1999 NONE2000 Ron Dayne (Wisconsin)2001 Michael Bennett (Wisconsin)2002 TJ Duckett (Michigan State)2003 Larry Johnson (Penn State) -May have landed in a better spot for a RB than Denver2004 Chris Perry (Michigan)2005 NONE2006 Laurence Maroney (Minnesota) Could be the real deal-too early to tell.Eddie George was the anomoly here so far.Larry Johnson could be huge, last year was Faulk like, and this year he is off to a good start.Bennett, never really stepped up, but could be in a great situation as well if LJ gets hurtPerry, haven't seen anything on himMaroney, good stuff so farSo,Would you hesitate to use a high draft pick on a highly touted RB coming from the Big 10?I can say that in the last 5 years I have stayed away from RB's to come from the BIG 10.What is it with the big time RB' in the BIG 10 that do not produce in the NFL.Running style?Play calling?Can the same be said for every confrence when the percentages are analyzed?Do these players get OVERRATED for playing in a big school?Your thoughts?

I think this post is

why?

 

[cr8f]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

There's nothing to do in the midwest but drink and ice fish. What's wrong with you?

 

[The Commish]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major.

The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.

I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years.

Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon (provided, of course, the referees have been duly "compensated")

look at the turnover margin...Oregon dominated the Sooners. Additonally, Washington gave Oklahoma everything they could handle in their own house and Washington is a mediocre Pac10 team at best. LOL at the Sooners having trouble with the Huskies.

I love the LHUCKS shtick more than anyone, but you are better than this man!!! They "dominated" in TO margin yet still needed the refs' help and even then only won by one point

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Big conferences do not equal good NFL players in the skill positions, IMO. Big conferences are able to recruit OLs and DLs. Theory among NFL scouts is that those guys make it easy for the skill player while they are in college, but the skill players don't necessarily have to improve while in college to succeed. Whereas at small schools, guys develop their skills out of sheer necessity (like QBs fitting the ball ito traffic, etc).

Take QB for instance. Of the 32 starting QBs in the NFL, probably 8 are even from the top 15 collegre programs (Peyton, Carson, Collins, Vick, Brady, Simms, and maybe 2-3 more). Look a the list, and you'll see the MAC and smaller schools well represented.

And if you think of the best WRs of the past 25 years, many are from non college football powers (Rice, Owens, Monk, Moss, Largent, Stallworth, Swann). CBs come from darn near everywhere.

But look at the list of OL and DL player in the NFL, and you'll see primarily big schools.

Heck, look at the hall of fame list in this link. There are lots of schools I've never even hears of....Fordham...3 players...where the hell is Fordham?

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/colleges.html

 

[loqutis]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Refresh my memory, how many BCS Bowl games did the Pac 10 win last year?

 

[pigskinliquors]

Here are Sagarin's conference rankings in case the Midwest homers need some objective proof.

Conference Rankings

That's got to be one of the worst things I've ever seen. Can I have my 7 minutes back?

Probably the most premiere conference strength rankings put out today...the handicappers love Sagarin.

While I believe Sagarin's rankings are crap, as they use a pre-season constant, while others do not; it looks like the "conference of champions" wasn't so good last year...2005 Final Conference Rankings by Sagarin

1 BIG TEN (A) = 80.72 80.55 ( 1) 11

2 ATLANTIC COAST (A) = 78.96 78.26 ( 4) 12

3 BIG 12 (A) = 78.96 80.02 ( 2) 12

4 PAC-10 (A) = 77.92 78.65 ( 3) 10

5 SOUTHEASTERN (A) = 75.28 74.92 ( 6) 12

In fact those 23 teams that you think are crap, are rated higher than your beloved conference's, using the same rankings that you are pretty high on.

Hey LHucks YOU'RE #4 WooHOO!

 

[pigskinliquors]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Refresh my memory, how many BCS Bowl games did the Pac 10 win last year?

Since 1998 = BCS Bowl Game wins by conference:Big10 = 9 (Mich 2, WI 2, OHSt. 4, PSU 1)SEC = 7 (TN 1, FL 2, LSU 2, GA 1, Auburn 1)Big12 = 7 (OK 2, TX 2, KSU 1, Neb 1)Pac10 = 6 (USC 3, WA 1, OSU 1, OR 1)Not ONE Pac10 team other than USC has won a BCS bowl Game since Oregon won the Fiesta on 1/1/2002.

 

[John Mamula]

Not ONE Pac10 team other than USC has won a BCS bowl Game since Oregon won the Fiesta on 1/1/2002.

how many pac-10 teams have been in a BCS bowl game other than USC in that timeframe?oregon st, oregon, and cal all got snubbed over that timeframe...i am not going to get into if that was bias or not, but i am not sure what your statement proves (other than that USC has dominated that conference over the last 4 years).btw, Maroney is scary good.

 

[LHUCKS]

Not ONE Pac10 team other than USC has won a BCS bowl Game since Oregon won the Fiesta on 1/1/2002.

how many pac-10 teams have been in a BCS bowl game other than USC in that timeframe?oregon st, oregon, and cal all got snubbed over that timeframe...i am not going to get into if that was bias or not, but i am not sure what your statement proves (other than that USC has dominated that conference over the last 4 years).btw, Maroney is scary good.

 

[NoFBinLA]

What does the above pac 10/big 10/ whatever slapfest have to do with good RBs?

I mean to stay can we stay on topic and start a different topic (again) for back patting our favorite conferences?

 

[pigskinliquors]

Also:

In the previous 10 Rose Bowls which have pitted the winner of the "Conference of Champions" against the winner of the Big10; the records are:

Big10: 8 wins

Pac10: 2 wins (having won the first of the ten, and the last)

 

[nortobc]

The Big10 is horrible...they're borderline mid-major. The only reason why they get as much pub as they do is because there is nothing else to do in the Midwest, thus the Midwest is a huge fanbase for college football. Unfortunately the teams suck, and the entire region is in denial. If you want to find an overrated conference year in and year out, look no further than the Big10 and the Big12.I've been saying this for years.

Why do I get the feeling you may be a bit biased??

I call them like I see them. Sans Ohio State and Texas there is nothing but mediocrity and bottom dwellers out of a combined total of 23 teams...pathetic.

Could the same be said about the Pac 10 sans USC. I can think of two Big 12 teams that have won Championships in the last 6 years. Who is the 2nd best Pac 10 team?

Oregon and Cal would run the table in the Big12 this year.Oregon would also run the table in the Big10 this year...Cal would be 2nd or 3rd in the Big10.

So that makes Cal one of the top 5 teams this year, where would you rank Tenn.

Cal got rocked after traveling across the continent to face an underrated football team...it was a bad game. Everybody knows this. It doesn't mean Cal is not a good football team.BTW, Tennessee is not in the Big12 or Big10.

Cal is better than they played against Tenn. They were just shell shocked because they had never played in an SEC type atmosphere. I would say they are about even w/ Tenn and this is coming from a huge SEC fan. Cal is probably the second best team in the Pac-10 and are better than their ranking.That said, IMHO...from top to bottom, the Big 10 is better than the Pac-10. ACC and Big 12 are down this year. Big East is actually pretty decent. Although the bottom of the SEC is horrible this season, it is still the toughest conference to play in.However, things change every year.