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I didn't say that. But the guy that started this thread was saying that Roethlisberger was a joke and he wouldn't want him as his 5th QB. He went on to say how lousy the offensive line was going to be. Now one game does not a season make but I thought Ben and the o-line played pretty well today.
Big Ben was perfect and Fast Willie had an outstanding performance as a starter. 
Preseason sometimes means very little. The Steelers obviously saved their A-game for the games that matter. 
I can't wait till next week.I started the thread and I'm definately not hiding. I don't live on these boards, sorry.I will be the first to admit that Ben looked excellent today. It was like they hid the guy from late last year and the preseason, and brought back the guy from early in 2004. I want everyone to understand, that when I started this thread I was just stating that the guy was looking terrible over a period of time, and I was affraid that it would continue. I had no idea why he was performing and looking the way he did, and my opinion was he and the team are/were going to be in for a long year. That was my point. And his performance at that time was a joke, preseason, playoffs or whenever. If you watched him and said different, you would of been wrong. The cause did not matter, he looked bad. Amd yes he looked very good today, as did Randle-El on his catches.
No you are wrong. I said "Add in that the line will probably play worse then last year."If you read the entire thread, I explain why I feel that way. Playing worse then they did last year does not mean they will be lousy, being that I feel they played darn well last year.
Ok, this may be a littleThose of you who watched the game today saw the epitome of PITTSBURGH STEELERS FOOTBALL.
Preseason sometimes means very little. The Steelers obviously saved their A-game for the games that matter.
I can't wait till next week.
but by that rationale, the playoffs don't matter?Well, like I said, when the lights go on they will do what they always do: run, run and run some more to set up the pass and have an effective offense. Any questions? Class dismissed.
I am sure it's happened a few times through a few QBs' first 11 attempts of the game.
The efficiency is what stands out. Granted Tennessee is a lousy D, but there have been plenty of lousy D's to take the field between 2003 and now and no one has had a perfect passer rating in that time period. 9/11, 218 yds, 2TDs is a stat line I'll take any Sunday. If they're only having to throw 11 times a game, that says a lot of positive things for the D and running. 20 YPA ain't bad for a guy with no receivers over 5'10".
The bolded part is where your wrong...was the cause the "preseason" when he looked just as bad at times late last year is the "regular season", and in both "playoff" games. I think those games mattered.
It's true that he threw a lot of INTs last year down the stretch, but his yards per attempt remained high (and actually increased over the second half of the season). He's still not getting the number of opportunities to throw that guys like Manning and Bulger get, but I think you have to be excited by how he's played. He's flashing serious potential and I think a lot of people are making a mistake by writing him off as another Aikman (their statistics are nothing alike).
bump to give myself a
I did not see the game but I am sure their history of being able to run allowed them to do what they did.If you actually watched the game. It was the passing that set up the run.Well, like I said, when the lights go on they will do what they always do: run, run and run some more to set up the pass and have an effective offense. Any questions? Class dismissed.
the guru? where you at?in my league he was 20th last year, and the difference between 20th and 15th was 30 pts over 16 games. In other words he needs to avg only a couple more pts per game than last year. I dont think that's out of his reach, obviously to go 13-1 and lead your team to the AFC Championship game, you have a good skill set. Whatever "IT" is, Roethlisberger sure has it. I believe in him anyhow.
Hey H.K., don't hog all those bags, I started this dahm thread. I know it's only been 2 weeks, but I'll take mine as wellbump to give myself a
Ben has looked great, and the team overall has been just as good.I'm not bumping this to show I'm an idiot, we all know that, but I'm doing so because I get this IM from this OUKURT dude:You'll have that sometimes.Hey H.K., don't hog all those bags, I started this dahm thread. I know it's only been 2 weeks, but I'll take mine as wellbump to give myself a
"Just quit posting. You judged a Qb FOR HIS pre season? M o R o N !"
Now like I said, so far I could not have been more wrong about Ben, but who is this guy OUKURT. I do not post a lot, and don't start a ton of threads, so I know my place here. But I'm also not affraid to post an opinion, unlike this OUKURT guy. He has started 31 threads, and only 6 in the Shark Poll, ZERO that really stated a point or opinion. He is good for WDIS in the assistant coach forum, yet he is able to send me a IM when I am wrong. Also looking at some of his posts, he looks like his only reason for being here is to cause trouble. Is this something that some posters do? Do they read through threads then send people IM's when they are wrong.
And for OUKURT if you read this, try posting an opinion sometime.
to taking your crow though. 
I would just PM him or talk to the admin.Yes here here for standing up and seeing the light. Our Steelers ROCK!!!!!!! The non believers will know in a couple hours once we knock off the Pats. Only a real man can stand up and admit he's wrong.You'll have that sometimes.Hey H.K., don't hog all those bags, I started this dahm thread. I know it's only been 2 weeks, but I'll take mine as wellbump to give myself a
"Just quit posting. You judged a Qb FOR HIS pre season? M o R o N !"
Now like I said, so far I could not have been more wrong about Ben, but who is this guy OUKURT. I do not post a lot, and don't start a ton of threads, so I know my place here. But I'm also not affraid to post an opinion, unlike this OUKURT guy. He has started 31 threads, and only 6 in the Shark Poll, ZERO that really stated a point or opinion. He is good for WDIS in the assistant coach forum, yet he is able to send me a IM when I am wrong. Also looking at some of his posts, he looks like his only reason for being here is to cause trouble. Is this something that some posters do? Do they read through threads then send people IM's when they are wrong.
And for OUKURT if you read this, try posting an opinion sometime.
Fair enough. But will the team be considered BAD if they miss the playoffs?
No. Teams that finish 5-11, 4-12 or worse are bad. A 7-5 team that still has a shot at making the playoffs is not even close to being a bad team.
The thing that irks me about the Aikman comparison is that Ben has been quite a bit more prolific in terms of certain measures that could be seen as decent predictors of FF potential. For example, Roethlisberger ranks among the league leaders in QB rating and is tops in yards/attempt. To me, the latter stat is very important. It indicates the potential to do some big things if the # of attempts increases. I think we saw a bit of this yesterday when Ben threw for 380+ yards. Aikman was a good game manager, but he never had the kind of YPA numbers that Roethlisberger has had thus far in his career. Some people are willing to overlook that, but I think it's an important stat. From a strictly by attempt analysis, Ben's numbers are closer to guys like Manning and Culpepper than they are to guys like Aikman.
Underachieving? Probably. Bad? No.
Real quick, remind me again why your opinion matters?
#3 Passer rating, might fall after yesterday's 3 INTs, but still pretty good. http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2005/regular
It looks like I'm wrong on Randle El. He's done alright, much better than "suck", but not as good as I thought he would. I can make valid excuses, but won't here.Bottom line: Ben is doing MUCH better than you said he would, give the guy some credit, and I'll say you had some valid points.
I'm sorry I posted an opinion on a message board. I forgot that The Shark Pool is strictly for factual data only.With your name/avatar, I'm sure you would give an unbiased opinion when talking about the Stillers.
Not necessarily. You are assuming that ypa will remain close to constant with an increase in attempts, which is unlikely.Yesterday was his second 300 yard game and his first game with more than 2 passing TDs. Perhaps that bodes well for him, hard to say. But there is no evidence that he will be a good fantasy QB anytime soon. Some of that could be due to playing in a conservative offense, but we don't know for sure.
did you cut in past that from some other board? it sounds like a preseason analysisSorry Cecil, I have no idea why you would suggest that. I am no expert, but I've watched a ton of football in my days, including my hometown Steelers, and the guy has looked awful all preseason, and did not look good late last year. The team as a hole this preseason has been just as bad. I'm just stating a fact, that I'm sure many people who have been watching Ben would agree with. As I type, C. Batch is marching the team down the field, against the same 2nd string CAR defense that made Ben look like he was lost.
final QB rankings for my performance league (1/20yds, 6 TD's, -2 INT)based on weekly avg:
He completed 9 passes for 218 yards at almost 20 yards per attempt.He basically put the game away in the first half.
