It will be worth a lot for my dynasty teams if it happens!I'm hearing lots of different rumors about this deal. Apparently the Jets are going to send their 1st round pick to San Diego for Turner. No link yet. Still just strong rumors. Take it for what it's worth.
No link is fine for now. But where on earth are you Hearing" this "strong" rumor? You could at least give that to back this up.Please.I'm hearing lots of different rumors about this deal. Apparently the Jets are going to send their 1st round pick to San Diego for Turner. No link yet. Still just strong rumors. Take it for what it's worth.
Better yet "sources familiar with".http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=2641
Scout.com reports "sources familiar with the Chargers" believe the Jets are willing to trade their first-round pick for Michael Turner.
Turner, a restricted free agent, isn't even under contract with San Diego, but this appears to be a possibility once he's tendered. The Jets would then explore signing him long term. San Diego is reportedly now looking at running back prospects, possibly Penn State's Tony Hunt.
Source: scout.com
So, "sources" from SD "think" the Jets would part with a first rounder...... :X
I don't really understand this thinking. He's probably better than any RB coming out and definitely better than anyone they will be able to draft at that position. He's got a few years of NFL schooling, he definitely can handle the speed of the game and has very low mileage. RB is a definite need since their RB situation was below average this year despite getting a truckload of carries. They have 2 2nd's and a ton of cap room (the Wash pick is at the top of the 2nd). It makes too much sense to me.http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=2641
Scout.com reports "sources familiar with the Chargers" believe the Jets are willing to trade their first-round pick for Michael Turner.
Turner, a restricted free agent, isn't even under contract with San Diego, but this appears to be a possibility once he's tendered. The Jets would then explore signing him long term. San Diego is reportedly now looking at running back prospects, possibly Penn State's Tony Hunt.
Source: scout.com
So, "sources" from SD "think" the Jets would part with a first rounder......![]()
At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.I don't really understand this thinking. He's probably better than any RB coming out and definitely better than anyone they will be able to draft at that position. He's got a few years of NFL schooling, he definitely can handle the speed of the game and has very low mileage. RB is a definite need since their RB situation was below average this year despite getting a truckload of carries. They have 2 2nd's and a ton of cap room (the Wash pick is at the top of the 2nd). It makes too much sense to me.http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=2641
Scout.com reports "sources familiar with the Chargers" believe the Jets are willing to trade their first-round pick for Michael Turner.
Turner, a restricted free agent, isn't even under contract with San Diego, but this appears to be a possibility once he's tendered. The Jets would then explore signing him long term. San Diego is reportedly now looking at running back prospects, possibly Penn State's Tony Hunt.
Source: scout.com
So, "sources" from SD "think" the Jets would part with a first rounder......![]()
The Jets ranked 7th in carries, 20th in yrds/game and 30th in ypc. Jets fans can speak to Washington better than I but he looks to me to be more of a 3rd down/situational back than a 20 carry/game between the tackles back.How desperate are the jets for a RB?What did they give up for Barlow? And although I did not watch many Jets games this year is Leon Washington that much of a wash after only one year to write him off?
I know the Jets FO is talking about building through the draft and Not spending...But, I'm not totally against it.... I'd think Brian Schottenheimer knows what the kid's got. If he thinks this kid is a sure fire Star and starter in the NFL then, I'd think that would mean a lot and the Jets might possibly just go right after him.But, I'd think this talk would come much closer to the draft time when the Jets can make a more educated decision and are able to compare him to some of the RB's that might be available when they pick.Anyone know what the difference in salary is from a late 1st rounder to what Turner would want?There is some buzz about this on Scouts.com in which the perverbial "industry sources" are quoted.Outside of the world of fantasy football, just about all JETS fans find this price to be too high. Functional RBs can be found deeper in the draft. The JETS have many needs and would be better served shoring up the right side of their offensive line or the defensive line instead of "overspending" for a RB.
There's also talk that the Jets are impressed with Barlow and that he was injured all year.A healthy Barlow with Houston and Washington isn't horrible, especially with a better OL.....But, I'd still have to defer to Schott Jr on just how good Turner can be.How desperate are the jets for a RB?What did they give up for Barlow? And although I did not watch many Jets games this year is Leon Washington that much of a wash after only one year to write him off?
Ginn?Two things:I was watching NY1 (local NY news station) last night, and in Sports on 1, a call-in show, a Jets fan called in wanting to talk about Michael Turner. The host basically said "Turner is more of a fullback than an every-down back." While I was a little surprised by the pitiful display of knowledge, it at least tells me that Turner trades may be making waves on the West Coast, but here in NY, journalists are not yet getting any leads about this guy.On a different point, I think it's a very reasonable trade. People will say that you can find serviceable backs later in the draft, and that is certainly true, but we all agree that a special back is still worth an earlier pick. A late first-rounder for Turner (what are the Jets, #25?) in a year in which there is plenty of cap room makes a lot of sense for the Jets. What I don't understand is why the Chargers would be looking at Tony Hunt as a new backup for Tomlinson - they'd need to spend the Jets 1st-rounder to get him! Also noteworthy is that #25 + #30 should get you about #10 overall - another thing for SD to consider.
Yeah NY1 doesnt know anything about sportsTwo things:I was watching NY1 (local NY news station) last night, and in Sports on 1, a call-in show, a Jets fan called in wanting to talk about Michael Turner. The host basically said "Turner is more of a fullback than an every-down back." While I was a little surprised by the pitiful display of knowledge, it at least tells me that Turner trades may be making waves on the West Coast, but here in NY, journalists are not yet getting any leads about this guy.
That was all with Two rookies and misfits on a completely revamped OL that got better as the year progressed with a rookie RB in Washington, Houston finally getting some work and an injured Barlow trying to learn the system....I think the Jets running game can improve just by doing nothing.... But, certianly they can use some more OL beef and Brick will add weight.Again, I'm not totally against Turner but, I think the Jets running game is looking up regardless and I do see Washington as someone who would share the load yet still get a lot more work than this year.The Jets ranked 7th in carries, 20th in yrds/game and 30th in ypc. Jets fans can speak to Washington better than I but he looks to me to be more of a 3rd down/situational back than a 20 carry/game between the tackles back.How desperate are the jets for a RB?What did they give up for Barlow? And although I did not watch many Jets games this year is Leon Washington that much of a wash after only one year to write him off?
A rookie RB would be $1M-$1.5M a year while Turner will probably get $5M a year. They might be able to get similar signing bonuses ($5-$10M).I know the Jets FO is talking about building through the draft and Not spending...But, I'm not totally against it.... I'd think Brian Schottenheimer knows what the kid's got. If he thinks this kid is a sure fire Star and starter in the NFL then, I'd think that would mean a lot and the Jets might possibly just go right after him.But, I'd think this talk would come much closer to the draft time when the Jets can make a more educated decision and are able to compare him to some of the RB's that might be available when they pick.Anyone know what the difference in salary is from a late 1st rounder to what Turner would want?There is some buzz about this on Scouts.com in which the perverbial "industry sources" are quoted.Outside of the world of fantasy football, just about all JETS fans find this price to be too high. Functional RBs can be found deeper in the draft. The JETS have many needs and would be better served shoring up the right side of their offensive line or the defensive line instead of "overspending" for a RB.
I think they a guessing that Hunt will slip to the 2nd.Two things:I was watching NY1 (local NY news station) last night, and in Sports on 1, a call-in show, a Jets fan called in wanting to talk about Michael Turner. The host basically said "Turner is more of a fullback than an every-down back." While I was a little surprised by the pitiful display of knowledge, it at least tells me that Turner trades may be making waves on the West Coast, but here in NY, journalists are not yet getting any leads about this guy.On a different point, I think it's a very reasonable trade. People will say that you can find serviceable backs later in the draft, and that is certainly true, but we all agree that a special back is still worth an earlier pick. A late first-rounder for Turner (what are the Jets, #25?) in a year in which there is plenty of cap room makes a lot of sense for the Jets. What I don't understand is why the Chargers would be looking at Tony Hunt as a new backup for Tomlinson - they'd need to spend the Jets 1st-rounder to get him! Also noteworthy is that #25 + #30 should get you about #10 overall - another thing for SD to consider.
As a Pats fan, I hate the move and the direction this franchise is heading. As a football fan, I think it's a great move. He and Washington make a great backfield for the Jets. Not that I want to see them twice a year. Washington is a nice 3rd down, pass catcher out of the backfield type. Sort of a Kevin Faulk, but a whole lot quicker. And Turner is everything you want in a back, or so I think he is. They've already got the start to a solid line. I think the competition is open at QB next year, only because of Clemens ability to stretch the field.How desperate are the jets for a RB?What did they give up for Barlow? And although I did not watch many Jets games this year is Leon Washington that much of a wash after only one year to write him off?
The Jets are $28 million under the cap, and not a ton of holes, so there is some room if they want Turner. Of course, they will want to pursue CBs like Samuel, and have guys like Cotchery to re-sign, so that cap space could shrink quickly.As a Jets fan, I wouldn't have a problem using the late 1st rounder on Turner for reasons mentioned previously - it's not like they're picking in the top 5, but rather at the bottom of the 1st. The only problem I would have is if a Turner signing prevents them from adding another FA where there is a greater position scarcity.I'd be very curious to see what kind of contract Turner would command...and how that would effect the Jets cap in 2007 and their persuit of other free agents, like Asante Samuel.
Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
After the top two guys in this draft class, Turner is probably better than anyone available. If the Jets are intent on getting a RB (makes sense) and they think both Peterson and Lynch will be gone by 25 (makes sense), then they could certainly make a deal for Turner. There aren't a lot of great options on the free agent market this year and Turner seems to be one of the more talented backup RBs in the league.Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
After the top two guys in this draft class, Turner is probably better than anyone available. If the Jets are intent on getting a RB (makes sense) and they think both Peterson and Lynch will be gone by 25 (makes sense), then they could certainly make a deal for Turner. There aren't a lot of great options on the free agent market this year and Turner seems to be one of the more talented backup RBs in the league.Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
I go back and forth on that myself. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it go down that way.I may end up being very wrong with what I am about to say but this is how I feel....I'd rather have Turner than Adrian Peterson or Lynch.
I disagree that the Jets don't have a lot of holes on the roster, and I also think that most RB's would look pretty good behind the SD offensive line. The Jets still can't run block, and can't stop the run. They also need a CB big time. D'Brick Ferguson was as advertised. A great pass blocking LT against a speed rush, has problems with both the bull rush and lacks the leg drive to be an effective run blocker. Kendall is an above average LG, Mangold looks to be very good, but at RG Moore is below average, and Clement at RT was cut by AZ after 2004, and then by SF after 2005, two teams with big problems on the offensive lines. Clement is also a UFA as of now.I don't really understand this thinking. He's probably better than any RB coming out and definitely better than anyone they will be able to draft at that position. He's got a few years of NFL schooling, he definitely can handle the speed of the game and has very low mileage. RB is a definite need since their RB situation was below average this year despite getting a truckload of carries. They have 2 2nd's and a ton of cap room (the Wash pick is at the top of the 2nd). It makes too much sense to me.http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...NFL&id=2641
Scout.com reports "sources familiar with the Chargers" believe the Jets are willing to trade their first-round pick for Michael Turner.
Turner, a restricted free agent, isn't even under contract with San Diego, but this appears to be a possibility once he's tendered. The Jets would then explore signing him long term. San Diego is reportedly now looking at running back prospects, possibly Penn State's Tony Hunt.
Source: scout.com
So, "sources" from SD "think" the Jets would part with a first rounder......![]()
Why would trading their #1 pick preclude them from doing that?seem to have confidence that they can find some gems in the middle rounds of the draft, like Washington last year
You can question his durability but not his skills. He's shown plenty of tallent this season when subbing for LT. He runs hard, he's fast and he's got good vision. He's going to be a hell of a pro once he's starting for someone. I just hope the Chargers get something good in return.Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
Would you say hes more like Troy Hambrick or Richard Huntley ?You can question his durability but not his skills. He's shown plenty of tallent this season when subbing for LT. He runs hard, he's fast and he's got good vision. He's going to be a hell of a pro once he's starting for someone. I just hope the Chargers get something good in return.Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
Somewhat out of context. They need that #1 to get a DE (or a NT if they move Robertson out to DE), or a CB (if they don't sign Samuel), or a RG, or a RT and they could use an OLB/rush LB. It's easier to find players that are ready to start at those positions in the early rounds, as opposed to an RB that can contribute in the RBBC they like on the later rounds.In short, I don't think they want to spend an early round pick on a RB when they have at least 3 positions (arguably 5) that they need to fill with a rookie that can start right away.Why would trading their #1 pick preclude them from doing that?seem to have confidence that they can find some gems in the middle rounds of the draft, like Washington last year
were all very very sorry.Good to see this month's "will michael turner be traded to the Jets" thread was posted.Good lord people, its not going to happen for quite awhile if at all. No team is going to make a trade in January, Turner's value isnt going down between now and April.
From what I've seen of the mocks around here (and the draftnicks please correct me if I'm wrong), it looks like there's not much of a quality upgrade picking where the Jets are in the 1st as opposed to doing so in the 2nd. Turner could be a major impact player - I don't see that available to them if they stick with their current 1st round pick.Somewhat out of context. They need that #1 to get a DE (or a NT if they move Robertson out to DE), or a CB (if they don't sign Samuel), or a RG, or a RT and they could use an OLB/rush LB. It's easier to find players that are ready to start at those positions in the early rounds, as opposed to an RB that can contribute in the RBBC they like on the later rounds.In short, I don't think they want to spend an early round pick on a RB when they have at least 3 positions (arguably 5) that they need to fill with a rookie that can start right away.Why would trading their #1 pick preclude them from doing that?seem to have confidence that they can find some gems in the middle rounds of the draft, like Washington last year
The question in my mind is this: Can the Jets get a starting 5 techique 3-4 DE and either a RG or RT that could start with that 25 and the high second rounder in 2007? I think the answer is yes. This staff isn't enamored with the big splash impact player as much as they are about building from a solid foundation.... namely, the O and D lines. It's a question of upgrading at RB vs. filling gaping holes on the roster. I could see the Jets offering the late second rounder, and perhaps a 2008 third.... something like that. They need immediate help at DE, RT, RG and CB. They need an OLB about as much as an RB at this point. I of course could be completely wrong, but that's my homer take.From what I've seen of the mocks around here (and the draftnicks please correct me if I'm wrong), it looks like there's not much of a quality upgrade picking where the Jets are in the 1st as opposed to doing so in the 2nd. Turner could be a major impact player - I don't see that available to them if they stick with their current 1st round pick.Somewhat out of context. They need that #1 to get a DE (or a NT if they move Robertson out to DE), or a CB (if they don't sign Samuel), or a RG, or a RT and they could use an OLB/rush LB. It's easier to find players that are ready to start at those positions in the early rounds, as opposed to an RB that can contribute in the RBBC they like on the later rounds.In short, I don't think they want to spend an early round pick on a RB when they have at least 3 positions (arguably 5) that they need to fill with a rookie that can start right away.Why would trading their #1 pick preclude them from doing that?seem to have confidence that they can find some gems in the middle rounds of the draft, like Washington last year
Obviously it's never a lock when you are giving a part-time RB the full-time job, but Turner's worst YPC (5.2) is higher than Barlow's best (5.1). In Barlow's case, I think he was (is?) a talented guy who doesn't handle adversity well and doesn't have the self-drive to be a great player.What I do find special about Turner is not only does he run for a very high YPC, he's also a big RB. Not often do you find a guy his size who can run the way he can.Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
Richard Huntley, Steelers, 1999Ht/Wt: 5-11, 22493-567-6.1-5, 27-253-9.4-3 Michael Turner, Chargers, 2006Ht/Wt: 5-10, 23780-502-6.3-2, 3-47-15.7-0 Troy Hambrick, Cowboys, 2001Ht/Wt: 6-1, 235113-579-5.1-2, 4-62-15.5-0Lamont Jordan, Jets, 2004Ht/Wt: 5-10, 23593-479-5.2-2, 15-112-7.5-0 One of the nice things about not being new to this hobby is having a sense of historical perspective.Seems like a lot of newbs see a young backup RB do well in part time, and assume he can do well as a starter.It is rarely the case.Obviously it's never a lock when you are giving a part-time RB the full-time job, but Turner's worst YPC (5.2) is higher than Barlow's best (5.1). In Barlow's case, I think he was (is?) a talented guy who doesn't handle adversity well and doesn't have the self-drive to be a great player.What I do find special about Turner is not only does he run for a very high YPC, he's also a big RB. Not often do you find a guy his size who can run the way he can.Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
However it has happened, and not so long ago either.Turner has looked better on his worst days than Huntley or Hambrick ever did on their best days.It is rarely the case.
Lamont JordanChester TaylorPriest HolmesThomas JonesHowever it has happened, and not so long ago either.Turner has looked better on his worst days than Huntley or Hambrick ever did on their best days.It is rarely the case.
However it has happened, and not so long ago either.Turner has looked better on his worst days than Huntley or Hambrick ever did on their best days.It is rarely the case.
Are you a disbeliever in MJD as well? Turner and Drew have almost the exact same stats (minus TD's since most went to LT):1 Michael Turner rb 2004--2006 42 157 941 5.99 5 129.604 Maurice Jones-Drew rb 2006--2006 16 166 941 5.67 13 227.70Regarding the guys you listed in comparison:Huntley - good RB but had some injury problems and IIRC wasn't the best at holding onto the football.Hambrick - was overrated since all the Cowboys fans wanted to believe they had a replacement for Emmitt. He was a decent RB but had zero vision and would try to run through guys instead of going around them. He was also one of the dumbest guys to put on a Cowboys uniform and make a lot of mental mistakes.Jordan - hasn't played terribly considering his situation, not many RB's would have done better in OAK. Take a look at Edge's season and see how hard it is to succeed with a terrible OL.Richard Huntley, Steelers, 1999Ht/Wt: 5-11, 22493-567-6.1-5, 27-253-9.4-3 Michael Turner, Chargers, 2006Ht/Wt: 5-10, 23780-502-6.3-2, 3-47-15.7-0 Troy Hambrick, Cowboys, 2001Ht/Wt: 6-1, 235113-579-5.1-2, 4-62-15.5-0Lamont Jordan, Jets, 2004Ht/Wt: 5-10, 23593-479-5.2-2, 15-112-7.5-0 One of the nice things about not being new to this hobby is having a sense of historical perspective.Seems like a lot of newbs see a young backup RB do well in part time, and assume he can do well as a starter.It is rarely the case.Obviously it's never a lock when you are giving a part-time RB the full-time job, but Turner's worst YPC (5.2) is higher than Barlow's best (5.1). In Barlow's case, I think he was (is?) a talented guy who doesn't handle adversity well and doesn't have the self-drive to be a great player.What I do find special about Turner is not only does he run for a very high YPC, he's also a big RB. Not often do you find a guy his size who can run the way he can.Proven? He's never carried the ball more than 80 times in a season. Kevan Barlow was far more "proven" after his big 2003 than Turner is now, and look how that turned out.I think Turner will be pretty good from what I've seen, but he's far from a lock.At least he's a proven NFL back unlike Irons/Bush/Pittman/Hunt (all a crapshoot) who they'd be able to pick with the 25th pick. As a Charger fan I hate to see him go for what I consider a cheap price, but it's tough to pass up a 1st round pick for a player who is only going to be around another year.
If you're talking straight stats you have a point. But if you're talking about running back skills you're way, way, way off.Huntley and Hambrick put together wouldn't be half the back that Turner is in terms of skills and ability.Guessing your hindsight is kicking in, but Turner couldnt hold Huntley's backup jock. The Boys let Emmitt go because they thought Hambrick was a star-to-be.Both played extremely well in a backup role for a great running team just as Turner did.