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JayMan
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Seems that the Jets have three pressing needs (coming from guys that know alot more than me)... CB / RGorRT / DE... They have the 25th pick...
It's seems very unlikely that G. Adams / J. Anderson / D. Revis or J. Blalock will be there at 25...
If they win the Asante Samuel lottery... and if A. Peterson / M. Lynch are gone... why not deal that pick to SD for a feature back for years to come? (since no other RB/OG/DE is worth mentioning at that spot - and since Washington/Barlow/Houston combined can't match Turner's abilities)...
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Sign Samuel... then sit back, watch the draft - the only worthy guys are gone when you should get to the podium?... call the Bolts - and deal for The Burner... (SD will be willing to get a 1st for him - rather than "renting" that insurance for one last year before getting a 3rd round compensation pick for him)...
It's seems very unlikely that G. Adams / J. Anderson / D. Revis or J. Blalock will be there at 25...
If they win the Asante Samuel lottery... and if A. Peterson / M. Lynch are gone... why not deal that pick to SD for a feature back for years to come? (since no other RB/OG/DE is worth mentioning at that spot - and since Washington/Barlow/Houston combined can't match Turner's abilities)...
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Sign Samuel... then sit back, watch the draft - the only worthy guys are gone when you should get to the podium?... call the Bolts - and deal for The Burner... (SD will be willing to get a 1st for him - rather than "renting" that insurance for one last year before getting a 3rd round compensation pick for him)...
CalBear
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I think the comparison of Turner and Jordan is fairly apt. Jordan did have a productive season for the Raiders, but he certainly didn't become the superstar back that many thought he would be. I would be surprised to see the Jets make a big move for him, considering that they got decent production out of Leon Washington (4.3 ypc).
With Sione Pouha scheduled to be back from injury, the needs at DE/NT are not nearly so significant. I expect to see a veteran signing, not an early draft pick. As for an OLB/Rush LB, I dispute the need entirely - Bryan Thomas had a career year and was signed to an extension, and Victor Hobson also had a career year on the other side. I can't imagine a scenario in which the Jets pick an LB prior to addressing RB.I'm also not sure that CB is such a need, and while everyone keeps talking about Asante Samuel, I am far from convinced that the coach who turned Troy Brown and Earthwind Moreland into superbowl-winning corners will be interested in breaking the bank for a CB who essentially had one big year. I'm totally fine going into camp with Barret, Miller, Poteat and Drew Coleman competing for the spot opposite Dyson. I think the big needs for the Jets are on O, not D. The D is one year into the shift to the 3-4, and was quite good in the 2nd haf of the season. I'd like to see more talent/better fit on the D-line, but 3-4DEs are not usually 1st-rounders. I think trading for Turner and drafting a DE, RT, and WR in the first three rounds.
Banger
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This deal may or may not happen but hypothetically say it does. The next logical question is where is he ranked going into next year? I'd probably slot him in the 10-14 range along with the likes of Jones Drew, Bush, Addai, Ronnie Brown, McGahee.
The Jets had 491 carries and 15 rush td's last year. If you say that Turner were to get 70% of the carries (343) and td's (10.5) which seems reasonable as a primary RB and runs for 4.1 ypc and throw in 100 yards receiving (I'd imagine the primary 3rd down back may be Washington but who knows how good Turner's hands are, I'm assuming average) he'd go for 1400-10.5 100-0 which equates to 213 pts. Last year that would have put him 10th (2 pts behind Rudi).
Note-the 16th ranked team ran for a 4.0 so ypc wise they'd be a slight bit better than average on the low side with the potential for improvement due to their young and improving line.
The Jets had 491 carries and 15 rush td's last year. If you say that Turner were to get 70% of the carries (343) and td's (10.5) which seems reasonable as a primary RB and runs for 4.1 ypc and throw in 100 yards receiving (I'd imagine the primary 3rd down back may be Washington but who knows how good Turner's hands are, I'm assuming average) he'd go for 1400-10.5 100-0 which equates to 213 pts. Last year that would have put him 10th (2 pts behind Rudi).
Note-the 16th ranked team ran for a 4.0 so ypc wise they'd be a slight bit better than average on the low side with the potential for improvement due to their young and improving line.
I don't see those as almost the same stats. ONe is a guy compiling almost the same totals over a 3? year span, and the other is a rookie year. That, to me anyway, is a huge difference. One is almost a full time role, at some point, the other is very sporadic duty. I''m a strong believer in MJD as a full time runner, and I think we've seen a lot more as a full time runner to go on. I'm also a stron believer in Turner, but we have to take somewhat of a leap of faith, because we haven't seen it as a full time role. Because of what he's shown, and the attnetion he'll garner in the FA market, if you want exclusiver Sign & trade rights, you're probably going to have to part with a first rounder. If I had my choice, I'd spend that first rounder on MJD over Turner, no question. That's just me. But, MJD isn't available. We've just seen more of what he can do with closer to a full NFL workload.
Ron_Mexico
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Comparisons to Huntley and Hambrick are way off -- as bad as comparing Tomlinson to Michael Bennett.
Turner has better vision than Hambrick, better acceleration, much better balance, much better power, he reads his blocks better, and he finishes runs better. He's also probably faster in the open field.
Turner has only played about the equivalent of 2/3 of a season (in terms of the workload he'd have as a starter), but it's obvious that he's got serious run skills.
He's not nearly as good a receiver as Tomlinson, but as a pure runner I'd say he's just about as good. (Better inside, not as good outside -- although both guys can do both.)
Turner has better vision than Hambrick, better acceleration, much better balance, much better power, he reads his blocks better, and he finishes runs better. He's also probably faster in the open field.
Turner has only played about the equivalent of 2/3 of a season (in terms of the workload he'd have as a starter), but it's obvious that he's got serious run skills.
He's not nearly as good a receiver as Tomlinson, but as a pure runner I'd say he's just about as good. (Better inside, not as good outside -- although both guys can do both.)
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Dang it. There used to be a fantastic highlight clip on YouTube of Turner's best 2005 runs, but it was taken down "at the request of copyright owner National Football League because its content was used without permission." 
In any event, if you forget the stats and just watch his runs, you can see Turner's ability.
In any event, if you forget the stats and just watch his runs, you can see Turner's ability.
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zamboni
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His long TD run to beat the then-undefeated Colts last year (subbing for a banged up LT at the end of a tight game) was what pretty much sold me on him.
zamboni
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Thanks - impressive run. Burner's got some serious jets for a big dude.
Yeah, he plays much smaller than he is- in a good way.
Carter_Can_Fly
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That video was awesome; it made me go after Turner in all my dynasty leagues. This guy is a player and will make some team very happy sooner than later.One thing I like about him, is he makes things look easy. Even that TD run he had against NE 2 weeks ago in the playoffs was made easy because of his excellent vision and great burst to get to the end zone quickly. He is also a great tackle breaker.I am excited about this guy getting a starting gig.Dang it. There used to be a fantastic highlight clip on YouTube of Turner's best 2005 runs, but it was taken down "at the request of copyright owner National Football League because its content was used without permission."In any event, if you forget the stats and just watch his runs, you can see Turner's ability.
Rovers
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While I still have high hopes for Pouha, also remember that Roberton's knees are on borrowed time. Replacing Kimo is IMO the biggest need on the team... a DE that can run defend and get 6 or so sacks would bolster the defense significantly. As for an OLB/pass rush hybrid, Barton still has to be signed. If they let him go, Hobson could go inside where I think h'e best suited anyway, leaving a need for an OLB. Dyson is really the only bona-fide CB they have. the rest of them all have serious limitations. Barrett is a jeckle and Hyde guy.... looks great one week, gets owned the next. Miller just doesn't seem to either have the discipline/smarts to play in Mangini's scheme, although he has all the raw talent. Poteat is good depth, but not much more than that. Brady was able to pick apart the Jet CB's in the playoff game, especially with Dyson hurting. Coleman lacks the speed, but has the smarts. I'd agree with the need for a deep threat at WR, but that is wasted as long as Chad is the QB. I love the guy, but beyond 30 yards, he throws floaters. I think this is a team that has more holes to fill than RB. The Jets ran the ball between the guards 63% of the time in 2006. Only two teams ran between the guards more often than that in the NFL. Seattle ran behind Walter Jones 24% of the time in contrast. Ed Blanton is a long shot answer at RT, given that Clement is yet to be signed. Kid is 6-9, 330, and was promoted off the taxi squad for the playoff game agianst NE. He was a 3 year starter at UCLA, and Jones-Drew ran behind him a lot. Myabe a run blocking guard and a sleeper like Blanton can fix the right side of the O line? I love this Ramirez kid from Texas Tech. RB is a need, no doubt, but I still think they are a year away from a real run, and I think an RB should be the last piece of the puzzle.
Banger
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One problem is that you can't always fill your needs sequentially. If that player is available a year early you may have to take him. Who's to say next year when you have all those other pieces in place and now you're looking for a RB that you will find one. I think the whole Turner decision will boil down to what Brian Shotty feels his upside is. He's obviously had close personal contact with him for a few years and after a very successful year as the Jets OC I think he would have the ears of the organization.
zamboni
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Since this seems to have morphed into the new Turner thread, a brief (albeit not much new) update on Turner's situation from the Chargers' perspective:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/charg...25chargers.html
massraider
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If they can indeed get a 1st for this guy, and that seems plausible, I think they'd be nuts to pass on it.
He has great value to them, no doubt, but no matter how good he is, all he is to them is a spell back. And you can get a back to get a few carries and give LT a breath.
A 1st rounder is valuable, you're looking at a potential long term starter vs. a backup RB for one season.
He has great value to them, no doubt, but no matter how good he is, all he is to them is a spell back. And you can get a back to get a few carries and give LT a breath.
A 1st rounder is valuable, you're looking at a potential long term starter vs. a backup RB for one season.
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