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Big Ten Basketball 2022/2023 - Return to Power (3 Viewers)

That's the second game this year where the Terps played great defense for a full thirty seconds, in the last minute of the game, down one possession, then failed to secure the rebound on a wild shot.  Both times it cost them a chance to win the game.  This time, it was pretty much a microcosm of the entire game.

Terps shot fairly well.  Played mostly good defense, especially in the press.  They had 10 steals and 7 blocked shots!  Barely turned the ball over at all.  But that's the worst defensive rebounding I've ever seen.  Terps secured 13 defensive rebounds compared to Purdue's 19 offensive.  Total rebounding was 22 to 41.  Downright embarassing for such a big team.

My other thoughts, in no particular order...

  • Trimble still isn't right, but this is probably who he is for the rest of the season.
  • Right now, the Terps best player is Layman (although, oddly, he didn't pick up any defensive rebounds yesterday).  They may need to run the offense through Layman more, rather than having him as the 4th or 5th option.
  • I mentioned this once before, but it bears repeating.  The Terps seem fine on the offensive glass; it's only defensive rebounding that's a problem.  That tells me that either they just don't know how to box out (seems unlikely at this level, and I don't remember it being an issue in years past), or... they're overcommitting to blocking shots and leaving themselves out of position once the shot goes up.  Of course, that wouldn't explain the three separate times they allowed Purdue to rebound a free throw miss.
  • Depth continues to be an issue.  Only six players played more than 4 minutes.  Dodd played only 3 minutes, and picked up 3 fouls.  Granted, the third was a poor call, but no doubt he would have picked up another in short order regardless.
  • Earlier in the year, I said Trimble was 90% likely to go pro, Stone 75% likely.  That needs to be reversed, more like 95% for Stone and 80% for Trimble.  One draft board I saw this week still had Trimble as the 20th pick even after his recent slump.  Of course, if it keeps up for the rest of the year, he may slip all the way out of the first round.  That's basically the only way I see him coming back; if he's told he'll be a second round pick, which means no guaranteed contract.
  • One positive from yesterday is that Nickens was 3 of 5 from deep.
 
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  • Earlier in the year, I said Trimble was 90% likely to go pro, Stone 75% likely.  That needs to be reversed, more like 95% for Stone and 80% for Trimble.  One draft board I saw this week still had Trimble as the 20th pick even after his recent slump.  Of course, if it keeps up for the rest of the year, he may slip all the way out of the first round.  That's basically the only way I see him coming back; if he's told he'll be a second round pick, which means no guaranteed contract.
Stone is playing like he doesn't want to get hurt. I can't count how many times he gave up on a ball he could've gotten to yesterday. He's already gone, I think.

Melo, though........ I think teams have figured him out. Don't let him drive. He's an odd player: he's neither big enough or athletic enough to be a top-flight PG. Hell, is he a top 3 PG in his own conference right now (much less the rest of the country)? He might be one of those guys who has already hit his ceiling. I think he's really good, but not REALLY good if that makes any sense.

He's in a weird spot now draft-wise, as you say. 

 
If Melo can't turn it around, I think this team's ceiling is the Sweet Sixteen, and even that may be unlikely.  They're looking at a 4 seed, essentially the same as last year, meaning they'll play a team like Oregon, Iowa St., or Utah in the second round then catch a 1 seed if they manage to win.  They can't win both those games without Trimble at his most effective.  This is so depressing.

 
Yea, this team, which I thought had so much heart at the beginning of the season, has turned into a bunch of head cases.  I'd blame Turg, but he did a good job with last year's squad.  Maybe the talent was over valued?  And Melo has really regressed from last year despite how well he played to start the season, really really odd.  

 
Michigan at Wisconsin is a big game for the two teams on the bubble.  The winner stays on the bubble, the loser falls off and will have to pull at least one upset in their last game and/or in the BIG tourney.  

 
Can't believe the turnaround by the Badgers this year. Gard has been amazing, and when he (officially) gets the job, it'll be well earned.

 
State's big's have really come on this past month, played so well against the Nittany Lions, especially DD. Forbes and Zel are in a world all their own right now.

It must be March... :coffee:

 
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possible one seed now for Spartans, but maybe 2 in Midwest just as good
yea, a bit surprised at the #2 ranking this week, not undeserving, they are playing some of the best BBall in the country right now. I like it. 

From the NCAA matchups Ive seen with a #1 seed, we'd be in a pretty loaded West, I much preferred the #2-seeded bracket I saw (CBS).

 
Michigan at Wisconsin is a big game for the two teams on the bubble.  The winner stays on the bubble, the loser falls off and will have to pull at least one upset in their last game and/or in the BIG tourney.  
I would think that as of right now Bucky should be penciled in as a 6 or 7th seed.  They are far from the bubble, though I agree that before February they were not in any tentative bracket.

I mean Bucky has to be knocking on the door for top 25 ranking right now and Louisville and SMU are in that ranking but not tournament eligible.

 
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I would think that as of right now Bucky should be penciled in as a 6 or 7th seed.  They are far from the bubble, though I agree that before February they were not in any tentative bracket.
Agreed. They are no bubble team.  Aside from MSU, Wisconsin is playing some great basketball of late, of the B1G frontrunners.

Michigan on the other hand could stand to use a little Harbaugh coaching up, but unfortunately he is all in for the Hoosiers. ;)

 
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I would think that as of right now Bucky should be penciled in as a 6 or 7th seed.  They are far from the bubble, though I agree that before February they were not in any tentative bracket.
I figured them as an 8th/9th before the Michigan game.  Beating Michigan pushed them up to about a 7th, but a loss to a bubble team at home would have hurt making that last game at Purdue an almost must win.  But with the win, they are safely in barring a complete meltdown like losing three in a row which includes losing to Minnesota and a weaker team in the BI0 tourney. 

If Wisconsin went into Selection Sunday with 19 wins, they would have been a coin-flip to make it, IMHO. 

 
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Michigan made official what we already knew - LeVert is out for the season. Very frustrating.

But good luck in the NBA.

 
Enough with this zoomed in ####, you can't see a thing. Indiana doing their best to lose here.

 
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JFC. IU can never make things easy. I need a drink. Big 10 Champs. Great job Crean, Yogi, etc.

Get healthy Morgan and Johnson you are needed.

 
IU = fruads, but congrats on winning B!G with the weakest schedule possible

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and beating no one out of conference wont help you not lose in the 1st or 2nd round

 
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Iowa killed MSU's chance at a #1.
i think most people know that the game without valentine and the spartans without valentine are not the same team as when he is healthy, which is why they are now #2

 
I kinda hope Michigan loses Saturday then gets an early exit from the conference tourney, so someone else can get into the dance.  Without Levert, this team isn't going anywhere.  I'd rather see a St. Bonaventure get in and see what they can do.

 
Jeebus, Forbes could have hit 20 3's tonight had he not been pulled early. Kid is in an insane zone right now...

Cool to hear Josh Jackson will be at the tOSU game Saturday. Looking forward to a great Senior Day at the Brez.

 
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IU = fruads, but congrats on winning B!G with the weakest schedule possible

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and beating no one out of conference wont help you not lose in the 1st or 2nd round


KenPom Conference Strength of Schedule for Wisconsin 2014-2015 = .7320

KenPom Conference Strength of Schedule for Indiana 2015-2016 (prior to final game against Maryland) = .7406

I don't really care what you think about Indiana, but BigTen basketball has never had a fraud win the conference championship.

 
KenPom Conference Strength of Schedule for Wisconsin 2014-2015 = .7320

KenPom Conference Strength of Schedule for Indiana 2015-2016 (prior to final game against Maryland) = .7406

I don't really care what you think about Indiana, but BigTen basketball has never had a fraud win the conference championship.
thats fine you dont care.. just telling you they are frauds

 
KenPom Conference Strength of Schedule for Wisconsin 2014-2015 = .7320

KenPom Conference Strength of Schedule for Indiana 2015-2016 (prior to final game against Maryland) = .7406

I don't really care what you think about Indiana, but BigTen basketball has never had a fraud win the conference championship.
Are these numbers publicly available? Most of kenpom.com seems to be subscription-only

I was just curious as to how the top 5 or so teams' SOS looked the past few years

 
Congrats to IU.  As much as I think Crean is an overrated bum he did a nice job with this squad.


Whose is overrating him?  First part of the season, the many, and perhaps a majority, of IU fans were hoping he would be gone by the end of the season.  He put this team back together and probably even over accomplished with it, so he earned trust.  Now if this can only translate into a sweet 16 appearance and Crean can actually show some bench coaching in the tourney.

 
I hope the whole conference acquits itself well in the NCAA tournament.  here's to nothing but victories across the board in the first round, and to Big 10 teams not having to take out another Big 10 team before 4 of them meet in the final four.

 

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