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Biggest Draft Bust (1 Viewer)

Joe Bryant

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Up till now, had Tony Mandarich been the biggest bust?

Leaf?

Shuler?

What do you say?

J

 
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1. Charles Rogers

2. Joey Harrington

3. Andre Ware

4. Chuck Long

5. Mike Williams

Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf are up there as well

 
Funny you mention this today, Joe. I think an argument could be made for Rick Mirer. More on this later in the week.

 
Da Guru said:
1. Charles Rogers2. Joey Harrington3. Andre Ware4. Chuck Long5. Mike WilliamsAkili Smith and Ryan Leaf are up there as well
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Ware and Long weren't drafted high enough to be part of the discussion. A true "greatest bust of all time" has to be a #1 or #2 pick.
 
Why does everyone forget about Aundray Bruce for draft bust?

The Raiders tried to convert him to TE three years after he went #1.

Leaf went 2. Not 1.

 
Somebody usually points this out during one of these, but doesn't this discussion really begin and end with Jay Berwanger? First overall pick in NFL history. Never played a down.

 
Mandrich.

Every talk to Packer Fan when wearing a Barry Sanders jersey? Not fun.

Thats right Mandrich was drafted before the greatest running back of all time.

 
teamramrod said:
Mandrich.Every talk to Packer Fan when wearing a Barry Sanders jersey? Not fun.Thats right Mandrich was drafted before the greatest running back of all time.
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Yep.Sterling Sharpe stays healthy and the PACK drafts Barry Sanders..........Favre would have won 4 Super Bowls.
 
I think when you're talking about a draft bust, you have to look beyond the player's own production and see who else was there. Leaf was a bust, but Manning was already gone. The Chargers did pass on Moss and Taylor but it's not like they were ever going to take Moss and they ended up doing OK at RB a few years later.

On the other hand, Mandarich was picked ahead of two HOFers in Barry and Deion. Not just HOFs, but guys who factor into the "greatest ever" discussion. Now that's a draft bust.

 
bentley said:
Somebody usually points this out during one of these, but doesn't this discussion really begin and end with Jay Berwanger? First overall pick in NFL history. Never played a down.
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Never even signed a contract. Certainly no #1 choice was less productive.
 
Over the past half dozen years, first round WRs taken in the top of Round One (1-15) haven't done too well..

Sure, there are some standouts, Fitzgerald, Roy Williams, Holt and Boston (for awhile) but for the most part it's been a disappointment.

Ryan Leaf and Andre Wadsworth have to rank up there....

 
Lawerence Phillips

Ryan Leaf

Tim Couch

Akili Smith

Cade McNown

Ki-Jana Carter

Heath Shuler

David Klingler

 
Lawrence Phillips was bad. Three picks before the heismann winner, Eddie George.

That same year, the Rams drafted Eddie Kennison one pick before marvin harrison. Now Kennison has done well in KC, but prior to that he was a bust.

 
ramsfan said:
That same year, the Rams drafted Eddie Kennison one pick before marvin harrison. Now Kennison has done well in KC, but prior to that he was a bust.
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Because Kennison has had a productive career, this comparison doesn't touch Kevin Dyson/ Randy Moss.
 
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BRIAN BOSWORTH
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I understand why he is being mentioned but had not one but two sports sciences staffs...OU and Seattle... made the correct diagnosis on his shoulder(s) the guy had a chance. I do not blame him nearly as much as I do two different medical teams that gave him advice. Mandrich, given who was taken around him in the draft, is hard to top.
 
Getinthemix said:
lod2005 said:
It's virtually impossible to top Cryin Leaf.
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See post 13.Please top Aundray Bruce. Who went #1.
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Semantics. More is expected from a QB who is picked at 1.02 than a DE picked at 1.01. And BTW, just about any other year, he goes at 1.01. Leaf was right there with Manning -- people debating who would be a better pro. It's almost unthinkable now. A city rests it's hopes on a new "franchise QB".... contrast that to the people in Houston who already want Mario Williams run out of town.At least Bruce gave an effort. He just couldn't play. Leaf couldn't play, and he was a major head case. I don't see how there is any other answer here than Ryan Leaf.

Also, all of the folks nominating Mandarich are getting on my nerves. Please realize what the word BUST means. Tony Mandarich was NOT a "bust" by any stretch of the imagination.

Leaf, Akili Smith, Blair Thomas, Mike Mamula, Bruce Pickens and dozens more were "busts" in the true sense of the word. The only reason Mandarich gets mentioned as a bust is because he didn't come close to performing to his draft position, added to the highly unfortunate fact he was selected before Barry Sanders.

Terrible decision by the Packers? Yep.

Mandarich a BUST? Absolutely not.

Tony Mandarich played 86 games in the National Football League, almost all of them starts. You cannot start 86 games on the offensive line in the NFL if you suck. He had a solid, if unspectacular career. If he was a 2nd round pick instead of the 2nd overall pick, nobody would have ever claimed he was a bad player.

If you want to blame someone, blame the Packers for taking a guy they knew was pumped up on the juice at MSU, and they buried their heads in the sand. They had to know that with drug testing in the NFL, he could not be the same player he had been in college. This was in the days before guys took HGH in order to hide steroid usage. Mandarich had no choice other than to get clean when he entered the league.

 
1980 1.2 WR Johnny "Lam Jones...New York Jets, Scored 13 TDs over a short 5 year career...who did the Jets pass on? Hall of Fame Tackle Anthony Munoz who went #3 to Cinci.

1984 1.2 T Dean Steinkhuler...Houston...anyone ever hear of him? Doubt he racked up a lot of pancakes

1987 1.4 RB Brent Fullwood...Green Bay...doesn't hold any records I assure you.

There's 3 you don't always read up on.

 
RAIDERNATION said:
Getinthemix said:
lod2005 said:
It's virtually impossible to top Cryin Leaf.
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See post 13.Please top Aundray Bruce. Who went #1.
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Semantics. More is expected from a QB who is picked at 1.02 than a DE picked at 1.01. And BTW, just about any other year, he goes at 1.01. Leaf was right there with Manning -- people debating who would be a better pro. It's almost unthinkable now. A city rests it's hopes on a new "franchise QB".... contrast that to the people in Houston who already want Mario Williams run out of town.At least Bruce gave an effort. He just couldn't play. Leaf couldn't play, and he was a major head case. I don't see how there is any other answer here than Ryan Leaf.

Also, all of the folks nominating Mandarich are getting on my nerves. Please realize what the word BUST means. Tony Mandarich was NOT a "bust" by any stretch of the imagination.

Leaf, Akili Smith, Blair Thomas, Mike Mamula, Bruce Pickens and dozens more were "busts" in the true sense of the word. The only reason Mandarich gets mentioned as a bust is because he didn't come close to performing to his draft position, added to the highly unfortunate fact he was selected before Barry Sanders.

Terrible decision by the Packers? Yep.

Mandarich a BUST? Absolutely not.

Tony Mandarich played 86 games in the National Football League, almost all of them starts. You cannot start 86 games on the offensive line in the NFL if you suck. He had a solid, if unspectacular career. If he was a 2nd round pick instead of the 2nd overall pick, nobody would have ever claimed he was a bad player.

If you want to blame someone, blame the Packers for taking a guy they knew was pumped up on the juice at MSU, and they buried their heads in the sand. They had to know that with drug testing in the NFL, he could not be the same player he had been in college. This was in the days before guys took HGH in order to hide steroid usage. Mandarich had no choice other than to get clean when he entered the league.
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Like everyone else you missed who went 2nd:Neil Smith

 
People get too railroaded by what ESPN shows. Leaf is the worst ever.

There are worse in history, but ESPN does not show them on continual loop.

 
Maybe not the absolute worst, but I nominate David Carr anyway. If Mario Williams tanks, it's going to be even worse.

There was a local clip I saw on TV today with Carr and Steve McKinney teasing each other in the locker room after the last preseason game against Tampa. Carr said something to McKinney he thought was pretty funny and started to walk away. McKinney responded, "Hey, you had your best game of the season." Sadly, it was true. Carr didn't play....

:bag:

 
Getinthemix said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Getinthemix said:
lod2005 said:
It's virtually impossible to top Cryin Leaf.
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See post 13.Please top Aundray Bruce. Who went #1.
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Semantics. More is expected from a QB who is picked at 1.02 than a DE picked at 1.01. And BTW, just about any other year, he goes at 1.01. Leaf was right there with Manning -- people debating who would be a better pro. It's almost unthinkable now. A city rests it's hopes on a new "franchise QB".... contrast that to the people in Houston who already want Mario Williams run out of town.At least Bruce gave an effort. He just couldn't play. Leaf couldn't play, and he was a major head case. I don't see how there is any other answer here than Ryan Leaf.

Also, all of the folks nominating Mandarich are getting on my nerves. Please realize what the word BUST means. Tony Mandarich was NOT a "bust" by any stretch of the imagination.

Leaf, Akili Smith, Blair Thomas, Mike Mamula, Bruce Pickens and dozens more were "busts" in the true sense of the word. The only reason Mandarich gets mentioned as a bust is because he didn't come close to performing to his draft position, added to the highly unfortunate fact he was selected before Barry Sanders.

Terrible decision by the Packers? Yep.

Mandarich a BUST? Absolutely not.

Tony Mandarich played 86 games in the National Football League, almost all of them starts. You cannot start 86 games on the offensive line in the NFL if you suck. He had a solid, if unspectacular career. If he was a 2nd round pick instead of the 2nd overall pick, nobody would have ever claimed he was a bad player.

If you want to blame someone, blame the Packers for taking a guy they knew was pumped up on the juice at MSU, and they buried their heads in the sand. They had to know that with drug testing in the NFL, he could not be the same player he had been in college. This was in the days before guys took HGH in order to hide steroid usage. Mandarich had no choice other than to get clean when he entered the league.
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Like everyone else you missed who went 2nd:Neil Smith
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I saw Neil Smith's name. He was good, don't get me wrong. But, it's not like passing on Barry Sanders.
 
bentley said:
Getinthemix said:
RAIDERNATION said:
Getinthemix said:
lod2005 said:
It's virtually impossible to top Cryin Leaf.
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See post 13.Please top Aundray Bruce. Who went #1.
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Semantics. More is expected from a QB who is picked at 1.02 than a DE picked at 1.01. And BTW, just about any other year, he goes at 1.01. Leaf was right there with Manning -- people debating who would be a better pro. It's almost unthinkable now. A city rests it's hopes on a new "franchise QB".... contrast that to the people in Houston who already want Mario Williams run out of town.At least Bruce gave an effort. He just couldn't play. Leaf couldn't play, and he was a major head case. I don't see how there is any other answer here than Ryan Leaf.

Also, all of the folks nominating Mandarich are getting on my nerves. Please realize what the word BUST means. Tony Mandarich was NOT a "bust" by any stretch of the imagination.

Leaf, Akili Smith, Blair Thomas, Mike Mamula, Bruce Pickens and dozens more were "busts" in the true sense of the word. The only reason Mandarich gets mentioned as a bust is because he didn't come close to performing to his draft position, added to the highly unfortunate fact he was selected before Barry Sanders.

Terrible decision by the Packers? Yep.

Mandarich a BUST? Absolutely not.

Tony Mandarich played 86 games in the National Football League, almost all of them starts. You cannot start 86 games on the offensive line in the NFL if you suck. He had a solid, if unspectacular career. If he was a 2nd round pick instead of the 2nd overall pick, nobody would have ever claimed he was a bad player.

If you want to blame someone, blame the Packers for taking a guy they knew was pumped up on the juice at MSU, and they buried their heads in the sand. They had to know that with drug testing in the NFL, he could not be the same player he had been in college. This was in the days before guys took HGH in order to hide steroid usage. Mandarich had no choice other than to get clean when he entered the league.
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Like everyone else you missed who went 2nd:Neil Smith
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I saw Neil Smith's name. He was good, don't get me wrong. But, it's not like passing on Barry Sanders.
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Precisely.I didn't miss it, either. It's simply irrelevant, for the reasons I outlined.

 
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