Biggest Pro Bowl Snub? (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Fred Taylor... He should have gotten in over Addai...

I think the Taylor backers must want him in based on his career and not just this year which is what I thought the pro bowl vote was based on. I just dont see how he gets in over the others based on THIS year alone.

5.1 a carry and over 1000 yards is pro bowl worthy.

Worthy yes...but with Addai's TDs...plus the big difference in receptions for Addai...it just pushes him over the top.

Stats are nice, but Taylor simply has more talent than Addai, if the Pro-Bowl wants the best players, they made a bad choice...I don't know where that players poll from a few years ago is, but Taylor was at the top of the list. He must have some enemies within the higher ups, or has simply stated he doesn't want to go, because he belongs, and his talent speaks for itself...

Since when is the pro-bowl about talent?Its about stats and what the guy has done this year.Oh...and I think Addai has more talent at this point than Fred Taylor.

 

[TitusIII]

Fred Taylor... He should have gotten in over Addai...

I think the Taylor backers must want him in based on his career and not just this year which is what I thought the pro bowl vote was based on. I just dont see how he gets in over the others based on THIS year alone.

5.1 a carry and over 1000 yards is pro bowl worthy.

Worthy yes...but with Addai's TDs...plus the big difference in receptions for Addai...it just pushes him over the top.

Stats are nice, but Taylor simply has more talent than Addai, if the Pro-Bowl wants the best players, they made a bad choice...I don't know where that players poll from a few years ago is, but Taylor was at the top of the list. He must have some enemies within the higher ups, or has simply stated he doesn't want to go, because he belongs, and his talent speaks for itself...

Since when is the pro-bowl about talent?Its about stats and what the guy has done this year.Oh...and I think Addai has more talent at this point than Fred Taylor.

I don't think Addai will ever have the talent of Fred Taylor, maybe a 35 year old one, but I digress. If all the pro-bowl only cares about is stats, I see why it's viewed as a joke by the players/fans/media..etc..

 

[sho nuff]

Fred Taylor... He should have gotten in over Addai...

I think the Taylor backers must want him in based on his career and not just this year which is what I thought the pro bowl vote was based on. I just dont see how he gets in over the others based on THIS year alone.

5.1 a carry and over 1000 yards is pro bowl worthy.

Worthy yes...but with Addai's TDs...plus the big difference in receptions for Addai...it just pushes him over the top.

Stats are nice, but Taylor simply has more talent than Addai, if the Pro-Bowl wants the best players, they made a bad choice...I don't know where that players poll from a few years ago is, but Taylor was at the top of the list. He must have some enemies within the higher ups, or has simply stated he doesn't want to go, because he belongs, and his talent speaks for itself...

Since when is the pro-bowl about talent?Its about stats and what the guy has done this year.Oh...and I think Addai has more talent at this point than Fred Taylor.

I don't think Addai will ever have the talent of Fred Taylor, maybe a 35 year old one, but I digress. If all the pro-bowl only cares about is stats, I see why it's viewed as a joke by the players/fans/media..etc..

Its not all about stats...but its a huge driving factor. Its about what each player is doing over the last year.Addai was a huge part of a Super Bowl win...and has put up better overall stats than Fred Taylor.Do you think Donald Driver or Aaron Kampman are the most talented guys? No...they bust their hump to get where they are to make up for the fact that they are not quite as talented as some other players.Its not just about any one thing...

 

[Tornacl]

Charles Woodson - he's probably been the best corner in the league this year.

 

[ceisenhower66]

Roethlisberger - 385 att, 249 comp, 64.7%, 2897 yds, 7.5 yd/att, 29 TD, 11 Int, 100.5 rating, 193 rushing yds, 2 TDs

Anderson - 459 att, 258 comp, 56.2%, 3384 yds, 7.4 yd/att, 26 TD, 14 Int, 85.8 rating, 64 rushing yds, 3 TDs

Roethlisberger vs teams above .500:

Cle - 12 of 23, 161 yds, 4 TD, 0 Int (W)

Buf - 21 of 34, 242 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (W)

Sea - 18 of 22, 206 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (W)

Cle - 23 of 34, 278 yds, 2 TD, 1 Int (W)

NE - 19 of 32, 187 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (L)

Jac - 16 of 33, 146 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Tot - 109 of 178 (61%), 1220 yds (6.8 yd/att), 12 TD, 2 Int (4-2)

Anderson vs teams above .500:

Pit - 13 of 28, 184 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (L)

NE - 22 of 43, 287 yds, 2 TD, 3 Int (L)

Sea - 29 of 48, 364 yds, 0 TD, 1 Int (W)

Pit - 16 of 35, 123 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Buf - 9 of 24, 137 yds, 0 TD, 0 Int (W)

Tot - 89 of 178 (50%), 1095 yds (6.1 yd/att), 6 TD, 5 Int (2-3)

I rest my case. Can't wait to hear your rebuttal.

 

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

Who do you guy think was this year's biggest Pro Bowl Snub?

A couple of the popular names going around are Colston and Welker. Another question is how does JAX get shut out alltogether? NFL.com's Vic Carucci points out Mario Williams, Barrert Rudd, Ronde Barber, and Chad Clifton amoung others.

What do you guys think? (Yeah, I know, the Pro Bowl is a joke, so we've gotten that out of the way)

How many #1 or #2 Corner Backs does Welker face on a weekly basis? If people want to say that he is having a great or good year then fine. However, he does not deserve a Pro Bowl nomination over any of the four wide receivers that got in over him.I read these two responses about Welker on another board earlier today:

take off your HOMER GLASSES

the 4 guys that made it:

Starters:

Moss: I dont think i need to post his stats, do I?

Wayne: 82/1280 9 he has 14 less catches but 276 more yards and 1 more TD then Welker

BackUps:

Housh: 101/1028 11 TDs he has 5 more catches 24 more yards and 3 more TDs then Welker

Edwards: 69/1170 13 TDs he has 27 less catches, 166 more yards and 5 more TDs then Welker

This has nothing to do with regards to respect about Welker...the four guys voted in were all deserving to be in over him.



more WELKER stuff for the blind homer:

Rank in Yards 7th

Rank in Recps 2nd

Rank in TDs Tie for 7th

Yards Per Game 8th(and the 4 starters are all ranked above welker)

20+ Yard Catches Tied for 25th(8, one more then Housh) (Wayne, Edwards, Moss rank 2-4 respectively with 23, 20 & 17 respectively)

Catches for 1st downs 6th(Moss, Housh, Wayne rank 2-4 respectively, Edwards 51 to Welkers 57)

I am not a fan of Fred Taylor at all so maybe I am biased but I don't see how it can even be argued that he is deserving of a Pro Bowl nomination based on this seasons body of work. Willis Magahee and Jamal Lewis both have better numbers and a stronger argument then Fred Taylor does. However, with that said only 3 running backs go to the Pro Bowl and Fred just isn't one of the 3 best in the AFC this year.

 

[TruckBoatTruck]

Packer homer disclaimer, but...I'm pretty surprised that Nick Barnett missed out. Easily having the best season of his career, been very fun to watch. Can't say I've seen too much of the SF guy, though.

Colston over Driver, for sure. Don't know about Gonzalez over Winslow, either. No Jacksonville players at all blows my mind.

 

[chris1969]

Roethlisberger - 385 att, 249 comp, 64.7%, 2897 yds, 7.5 yd/att, 29 TD, 11 Int, 100.5 rating, 193 rushing yds, 2 TDs

Anderson - 459 att, 258 comp, 56.2%, 3384 yds, 7.4 yd/att, 26 TD, 14 Int, 85.8 rating, 64 rushing yds, 3 TDs

Roethlisberger vs teams above .500:

Cle - 12 of 23, 161 yds, 4 TD, 0 Int (W)

Buf - 21 of 34, 242 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (W)

Sea - 18 of 22, 206 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (W)

Cle - 23 of 34, 278 yds, 2 TD, 1 Int (W)

NE - 19 of 32, 187 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (L)

Jac - 16 of 33, 146 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Tot - 109 of 178 (61%), 1220 yds (6.8 yd/att), 12 TD, 2 Int (4-2)

Anderson vs teams above .500:

Pit - 13 of 28, 184 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (L)

NE - 22 of 43, 287 yds, 2 TD, 3 Int (L)

Sea - 29 of 48, 364 yds, 0 TD, 1 Int (W)

Pit - 16 of 35, 123 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Buf - 9 of 24, 137 yds, 0 TD, 0 Int (W)

Tot - 89 of 178 (50%), 1095 yds (6.1 yd/att), 6 TD, 5 Int (2-3)

I rest my case. Can't wait to hear your rebuttal.

How about the fact that they have the same record and DA threw for 500 more yards? That's like 2 extra games worth of yardage.

 

[RavensUNFL]

Nnamdi Asomugha - 2 years in a row he has been the best corner in the AFC and has yet to be selected to a Pro Bowl.

 

[GregR_2]

Roethlisberger - 385 att, 249 comp, 64.7%, 2897 yds, 7.5 yd/att, 29 TD, 11 Int, 100.5 rating, 193 rushing yds, 2 TDs

Anderson - 459 att, 258 comp, 56.2%, 3384 yds, 7.4 yd/att, 26 TD, 14 Int, 85.8 rating, 64 rushing yds, 3 TDs

Roethlisberger vs teams above .500:

Cle - 12 of 23, 161 yds, 4 TD, 0 Int (W)

Buf - 21 of 34, 242 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (W)

Sea - 18 of 22, 206 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (W)

Cle - 23 of 34, 278 yds, 2 TD, 1 Int (W)

NE - 19 of 32, 187 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (L)

Jac - 16 of 33, 146 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Tot - 109 of 178 (61%), 1220 yds (6.8 yd/att), 12 TD, 2 Int (4-2)

Anderson vs teams above .500:

Pit - 13 of 28, 184 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (L)

NE - 22 of 43, 287 yds, 2 TD, 3 Int (L)

Sea - 29 of 48, 364 yds, 0 TD, 1 Int (W)

Pit - 16 of 35, 123 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Buf - 9 of 24, 137 yds, 0 TD, 0 Int (W)

Tot - 89 of 178 (50%), 1095 yds (6.1 yd/att), 6 TD, 5 Int (2-3)

I rest my case. Can't wait to hear your rebuttal.

You've been issued 20 board cred demerits for using the smiley in regards to your own post.

 

[Jous]

Roethlisberger - 385 att, 249 comp, 64.7%, 2897 yds, 7.5 yd/att, 29 TD, 11 Int, 100.5 rating, 193 rushing yds, 2 TDs

Anderson - 459 att, 258 comp, 56.2%, 3384 yds, 7.4 yd/att, 26 TD, 14 Int, 85.8 rating, 64 rushing yds, 3 TDs

Roethlisberger vs teams above .500:

Cle - 12 of 23, 161 yds, 4 TD, 0 Int (W)

Buf - 21 of 34, 242 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (W)

Sea - 18 of 22, 206 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (W)

Cle - 23 of 34, 278 yds, 2 TD, 1 Int (W)

NE - 19 of 32, 187 yds, 1 TD, 0 Int (L)

Jac - 16 of 33, 146 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Tot - 109 of 178 (61%), 1220 yds (6.8 yd/att), 12 TD, 2 Int (4-2)

Anderson vs teams above .500:

Pit - 13 of 28, 184 yds, 1 TD, 1 Int (L)

NE - 22 of 43, 287 yds, 2 TD, 3 Int (L)

Sea - 29 of 48, 364 yds, 0 TD, 1 Int (W)

Pit - 16 of 35, 123 yds, 3 TD, 0 Int (L)

Buf - 9 of 24, 137 yds, 0 TD, 0 Int (W)

Tot - 89 of 178 (50%), 1095 yds (6.1 yd/att), 6 TD, 5 Int (2-3)

I rest my case. Can't wait to hear your rebuttal.

How about the fact that they have the same record and DA threw for 500 more yards? That's like 2 extra games worth of yardage.

How about the fact that Roethlisberger has 8% higher completion, 3 more TD's, 3 less INT's, and has a passing rating of nearly 15 points higher?I'm sorry, but for anyone to suggest that Anderson deserved the 3rd spot over Roethlisberger is laughable and I can't believe there's even any discussion about it. It's LOL-worthy to even think that Anderson is a better QB than Big Ben.

 

[Irish]

For the Browns, Joe Thomas and Eric Steinbach should be starting for the AFC. DA should have been picked over Big Ben and and KW2 over Gonzo.

A good argument can be made for Thomas and Steinbach, but no way does Anderson deserve to go before Big Ben. KW2 and Gonzo is a toss up.

 

[the roflmobile]

What a joke Colston was snubbed. What else does this guy have to prove? Fell to the 7th rd in the draft, came out and nearly stole rookie of the year honors last season, has played at the same level if not better than say a Chad Johnson for the past 16 months. Stupid fan voters. The NFL should start devaluing their importance, or placing heavier emphasis on sportswriters' votes... or just ask Football Guys to be the official third party adjudicator. heh.

 

[Escape Goat]

I love all the love for Fragile Freddy. He doesn't deserve squat this year except a pat on back for doing his job without rolling an ankle. To say he deserves the nod is an embarrassment to this forum.

Colston

Williams

 

[delusional]

Trent Cole

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Fred Taylor... He should have gotten in over Addai...

I think the Taylor backers must want him in based on his career and not just this year which is what I thought the pro bowl vote was based on. I just dont see how he gets in over the others based on THIS year alone.

5.1 a carry and over 1000 yards is pro bowl worthy.

If he had more TD's he probably would have gotten in. Not sure how important the yards per carry is to voters?

It's the #1 stat for RBs, in my book.

 

[ceisenhower66]

Chris1969 - Look at the yards per attempt, my friend. And I know they have the same record, that's why I threw that "evidence" out the window. Everyone that is arguing in favor of DA so far is from Ohio...

GregR - LOL, I never had any cred to begin with. I knew using that smiley was going to draw someone's ire.

Jous and Irish - I am glad someone else sees it as pretty obvious...

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Willis McGahee....

As an Eagles fan I'm surprised you didn't have Trent Cole. I think he was by far the Eagles best defensive player and I think he deserved to be in there over Osi.

I mentioned Trent in the Staff Roundtable a few weeks back, and possibly in another thread.Cole's a bit of a one-trick pony (speed rusher from the outside) who only is really good for immobile QBs. He rushes to a spot and if the QB isn't there (or even steps up in the pocket) Cole will not be there.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I love all the love for Fragile Freddy. He doesn't deserve squat this year except a pat on back for doing his job without rolling an ankle. To say he deserves the nod is an embarrassment to this forum. ColstonWilliams

And... Tonight Escape Goat is going to party like it's 1999!

 

[phthalatemagic]

Super Mario is my vote.

Please stop calling him Super Mario, there is only one Super Mario and he wore 66...thanks.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Super Mario wore red overalls.

 

[The Rook]

I'm from Massachusetts, and fans around here are blowing this Welker thing out of proportion. He should get in over Chad Johnson since he contributed a LOT on special teams this year, but the four guys in there now are all better than him THIS YEAR. Braylon is putting up awesome numbers (I'll take TDs over receptions any day), Housh is basically putting up Welker #s + more catches and yards, and Reggie Wayne is just awesome.Colston got snubbed. No doubt about it. Donald Driver is nice, but Colston is the guy that the New Orleans offense goes through. Dude is $$$.

I agree with Colston, not sure how driver got in. He isnt even the best WR on his team. 2 TD's and he's in the pro bowl? thats horrible.

my thoughts exactly. i like driver, but i think jennings could have an argument over driver this year.

 

[Chadstroma]

Ruud

Does not have the big name but was a tackle machine until slowed a bit by injury.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I love all the love for Fragile Freddy. He doesn't deserve squat this year except a pat on back for doing his job without rolling an ankle. To say he deserves the nod is an embarrassment to this forum. ColstonWilliams

Good lord

 

[Phil4]

Super Mario is my vote.

Please stop calling him Super Mario, there is only one Super Mario and he wore 66...thanks.

 

[ceisenhower66]

Paging all the "Derek Anderson deserves a spot over Big Ben" posters...

And now with FWP possibly hurt bad, all the Fred Taylor fans may get their wish. Taylor deserves it. Too bad it came at Parker's expense...

 

[Brutis]

Paging all the "Derek Anderson deserves a spot over Big Ben" posters...And now with FWP possibly hurt bad, all the Fred Taylor fans may get their wish. Taylor deserves it. Too bad it came at Parker's expense...

That would be too funny if Jamal Lewis got the call now.

 

[ceisenhower66]

Paging all the "Derek Anderson deserves a spot over Big Ben" posters...And now with FWP possibly hurt bad, all the Fred Taylor fans may get their wish. Taylor deserves it. Too bad it came at Parker's expense...

That would be too funny if Jamal Lewis got the call now.

Crap, forgot about him. Add McGahee to the list as well!I can see it now. FWP is scratched. J-Lew is named. LT2 is scratched. McGahee is named. Addai is scratched. MoJo is named. Just kidding. Taylor gets in.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Willis McGahee....

As an Eagles fan I'm surprised you didn't have Trent Cole. I think he was by far the Eagles best defensive player and I think he deserved to be in there over Osi.

I mentioned Trent in the Staff Roundtable a few weeks back, and possibly in another thread.Cole's a bit of a one-trick pony (speed rusher from the outside) who only is really good for immobile QBs. He rushes to a spot and if the QB isn't there (or even steps up in the pocket) Cole will not be there.

I won't argue your analysis on Cole. But he's having a better year than Osi. Cole has more solo tackles. More assists. More sacks. I mean Osi got 6 of his 12 sacks in one game against a second string tackle who hadn't played in over a year and a QB who was a statue at that point in the season.If Cole is a one trick pony, the Osi is a one trick donkey.

 

[NeverEnough]

Trent Cole

 

[delusional]

Might also want to involve Mike Patterson from the Eagles. The DT

Pro Bowl is crap, they should have a committee put together that votes strictly. No coaches, players, fans, nothing. When it comes with contract situations and potential money, I am surprised the players union hasn't done this yet.

Here is a copy from the eagles forum

Adam Kapman: 62tackles (46solo)/ 12sacks/ 1ff and recovered

Patrick Kerney: 57tackles (46solo)/ 13.5sacks/ 1int/ 3ff's

Osi: 43tackles (36solo)/ 12sacks/ 4ff's and 2recovered

Trent Cole: 65tackles(44solo)/ 12.5sacks/ 4ff's and 1recovered

Had the most tackles, second most sacks, and tied with most ff's...

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Pat Williams: 57tackles (38solo)/2sacks/ 2recovered fumbles

Kevin Williams: 32tackles (27solo)/ 3sacks/ 2int's/ 1ff's and 1recovered

Tommie Harris: 32tackles (28solo)/ 7sacks/ 1ff



Mike Patterson: 62tackles (46solo)/ 4sacks/1ff and 1recovered

Patterson had the most tackles, second most sacks, and second most fumbles forced and recovered...intresting he was not in the top 5 DT's even voted either. What's even more funny is that Patterson has the most tackles out of any DT/NT and even has the same as pro-bowler DE Adam Kapman...

 

[johntorn]

Charles Woodson! He definately has earned it!!!

 

[Kirby]

Fred Taylor gets to go to the probowl now... right?

 

[BILLY_THE_BULL]

Might also want to involve Mike Patterson from the Eagles. The DT

Pro Bowl is crap, they should have a committee put together that votes strictly. No coaches, players, fans, nothing. When it comes with contract situations and potential money, I am surprised the players union hasn't done this yet.

Here is a copy from the eagles forum

Adam Kapman : 62tackles (46solo)/ 12sacks/ 1ff and recovered

Patrick Kerney: 57tackles (46solo)/ 13.5sacks/ 1int/ 3ff's

Osi: 43tackles (36solo)/ 12sacks/ 4ff's and 2recovered

Trent Cole: 65tackles(44solo)/ 12.5sacks/ 4ff's and 1recovered

Had the most tackles, second most sacks, and tied with most ff's...

________________________________________________________________________________

Pat Williams: 57tackles (38solo)/2sacks/ 2recovered fumbles

Kevin Williams: 32tackles (27solo)/ 3sacks/ 2int's/ 1ff's and 1recovered

Tommie Harris: 32tackles (28solo)/ 7sacks/ 1ff



Mike Patterson: 62tackles (46solo)/ 4sacks/1ff and 1recovered

Patterson had the most tackles, second most sacks, and second most fumbles forced and recovered...intresting he was not in the top 5 DT's even voted either. What's even more funny is that Patterson has the most tackles out of any DT/NT and even has the same as pro-bowler DE Adam Kapman...

You should change your name to "The Butcher" because it's Aaron Kampman

 

[redman]

Mike Sellers should be starting and not an alternate at NFC FB. I also think Portis should be in over MBIII.

 

[delusional]

Might also want to involve Mike Patterson from the Eagles. The DT

Pro Bowl is crap, they should have a committee put together that votes strictly. No coaches, players, fans, nothing. When it comes with contract situations and potential money, I am surprised the players union hasn't done this yet.

Here is a copy from the eagles forum

Adam Kapman : 62tackles (46solo)/ 12sacks/ 1ff and recovered

Patrick Kerney: 57tackles (46solo)/ 13.5sacks/ 1int/ 3ff's

Osi: 43tackles (36solo)/ 12sacks/ 4ff's and 2recovered

Trent Cole: 65tackles(44solo)/ 12.5sacks/ 4ff's and 1recovered

Had the most tackles, second most sacks, and tied with most ff's...

________________________________________________________________________________

Pat Williams: 57tackles (38solo)/2sacks/ 2recovered fumbles

Kevin Williams: 32tackles (27solo)/ 3sacks/ 2int's/ 1ff's and 1recovered

Tommie Harris: 32tackles (28solo)/ 7sacks/ 1ff



Mike Patterson: 62tackles (46solo)/ 4sacks/1ff and 1recovered

Patterson had the most tackles, second most sacks, and second most fumbles forced and recovered...intresting he was not in the top 5 DT's even voted either. What's even more funny is that Patterson has the most tackles out of any DT/NT and even has the same as pro-bowler DE Adam Kapman...

You should change your name to "The Butcher" because it's Aaron Kampman

lke i siad, dat was takeing from anudder forum, its not me speiling ( lol )