Bilal Powell (1 Viewer)

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Tomlinson is likely going to retire and Greene is, well Greene......a below average RB with a good O-Line. Personally I loved Powell heading into last year's draft, but I knew when I took him in rookie drafts I'd have to wait until 2012 or 2013 for him to see playing time. IMO the most talented RB on the roster is Powell and McKnight is more of a scatback. It's only a matter of time before he gets his big chance. Does it come in 2012? Or does it come in 2013 which Shonn Greene is kicked to the road as a free agent?

 

[Couch Potato]

Powell and McKnight are very close in size. I see McKnight listed at 5'11" 198 and Powell at 5'10" 205. Not enough of a difference to draw an inference anyway. I'd dispute the 'scatback' label too. At the end of 2010, McKnight started a game and ran the ball 32 times for 158 yards.

I have both in various leagues so I'm not expressing a preference due to ownership, and honestly have no idea which will be the better long term play. It opened my eyes when 4th rounder Powell was drafted a year following McKnight, also a 4th rounder. That sort of thing would seemingly indicate a fall from grace for the earlier guy, but McKnight maintained his role in 2011 and currently stands to be the one benefiting from Tomlinson's departure. Could Powell beat him out? Possible. Could Greene's eventual replacement be drafted in this draft? Also possible.

Bottom line is the odds are against either 4th rounder ascending to the starter role. It happens, but the odds are still against it. Owning either with the hope of a starting role in their futures is a bit of a flier. I'd make no assumptions with either Powell or McKnight and see how it plays out.

 

[BeTheMatch]

If the Jets don't add anyone significant, and I don't think they will, I'd say Powell is in just as good of a situation as Hunter and Rodgers. All you can ask for is opportunity, and I think he could get it before the end of 2012. We'll see what he does with it. I liked him coming out too and was pleased when he landed on the Jets behind a mediocre Greene.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I don't see McKnight as a feature back at all. Powell seems to fit that build more from a size standpoint. They don't look similar at all to me on the field.

 

[Couch Potato]

I don't see McKnight as a feature back at all. Powell seems to fit that build more from a size standpoint. They don't look similar at all to me on the field.

People get way too hung up on how a guy looks in terms of shape and size. SJax looks nothing like McFadden. Charles looks nothing like MJD. People really ought to let that crap go. All it does is muck up your thinking.McKnight ran 32 times in a game. I know it was a meaningless Week 17 game, but the Jets didn't worry about size. They wanted to see what he could do. Ultimately, the Jets' opinion is all that matters.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I don't see McKnight as a feature back at all. Powell seems to fit that build more from a size standpoint. They don't look similar at all to me on the field.

People get way too hung up on how a guy looks in terms of shape and size. SJax looks nothing like McFadden. Charles looks nothing like MJD. People really ought to let that crap go. All it does is muck up your thinking.McKnight ran 32 times in a game. I know it was a meaningless Week 17 game, but the Jets didn't worry about size. They wanted to see what he could do. Ultimately, the Jets' opinion is all that matters.

I know it's the Jets' opinion that matters. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. However, one game doesn't mean squat. My point is I don't see McKnight's body holding up over the course of a season as a feature back. To ignore size is crazy. There a million examples of smaller guys not holding up, and only a handful in recent memory that could - and they stand out because of how rare they are. Warrick Dunn, as an example.

 

[Shutout]

Powell and McKnight are very close in size. I see McKnight listed at 5'11" 198 and Powell at 5'10" 205. Not enough of a difference to draw an inference anyway. I'd dispute the 'scatback' label too. At the end of 2010, McKnight started a game and ran the ball 32 times for 158 yards.

I have both in various leagues so I'm not expressing a preference due to ownership, and honestly have no idea which will be the better long term play. It opened my eyes when 4th rounder Powell was drafted a year following McKnight, also a 4th rounder. That sort of thing would seemingly indicate a fall from grace for the earlier guy, but McKnight maintained his role in 2011 and currently stands to be the one benefiting from Tomlinson's departure. Could Powell beat him out? Possible. Could Greene's eventual replacement be drafted in this draft? Also possible.

Bottom line is the odds are against either 4th rounder ascending to the starter role. It happens, but the odds are still against it. Owning either with the hope of a starting role in their futures is a bit of a flier. I'd make no assumptions with either Powell or McKnight and see how it plays out.

I think maybe they drafted him because they had lost Brad Smith and didn't really have a plan "b" because of the lockout. I remember an interview on Sirius shortly before the season started where Jets coaches talked about how that loss was BIG for them and they thought that McKnight was the only guy they had that they thought could replace those roles.So I thought that maybe they believed they needed depth there.

I don't know how mcKnight may have a better chance of getting away from that role and having a more fantasy-friendly role this year but I have seen a lot of Powell in college and I honestly think McKnight would produce better in that offense if the Jets had to turn it over to one or the other.

I don't know if the Jets will draft another RB this year but I can definitely see them bringing in a FA. A couple of guys that I could see would be Tashard Choice or Knowshon Moreno if he is let go. I don't think either of those does anything to clear up the fantasy questions but I could see ither of them being available and working for the Jets.

 

[Couch Potato]

I don't see McKnight as a feature back at all. Powell seems to fit that build more from a size standpoint. They don't look similar at all to me on the field.

People get way too hung up on how a guy looks in terms of shape and size. SJax looks nothing like McFadden. Charles looks nothing like MJD. People really ought to let that crap go. All it does is muck up your thinking.McKnight ran 32 times in a game. I know it was a meaningless Week 17 game, but the Jets didn't worry about size. They wanted to see what he could do. Ultimately, the Jets' opinion is all that matters.

I know it's the Jets' opinion that matters. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. However, one game doesn't mean squat. My point is I don't see McKnight's body holding up over the course of a season as a feature back. To ignore size is crazy. There a million examples of smaller guys not holding up, and only a handful in recent memory that could - and they stand out because of how rare they are. Warrick Dunn, as an example.

I think we define small differently. I don't see 198 (essentially 200) as small. It's pretty common among RBs. McCoy, C Johnson, Charles, Bradshaw, Spiller, Best, R Bush, Hunter are all listed within 2-3 pounds of that. I think you're choosing a completely irrelevant reason to decide, good doctor, that his body can't hold up.

 

[Couch Potato]

Powell and McKnight are very close in size. I see McKnight listed at 5'11" 198 and Powell at 5'10" 205. Not enough of a difference to draw an inference anyway. I'd dispute the 'scatback' label too. At the end of 2010, McKnight started a game and ran the ball 32 times for 158 yards.

I have both in various leagues so I'm not expressing a preference due to ownership, and honestly have no idea which will be the better long term play. It opened my eyes when 4th rounder Powell was drafted a year following McKnight, also a 4th rounder. That sort of thing would seemingly indicate a fall from grace for the earlier guy, but McKnight maintained his role in 2011 and currently stands to be the one benefiting from Tomlinson's departure. Could Powell beat him out? Possible. Could Greene's eventual replacement be drafted in this draft? Also possible.

Bottom line is the odds are against either 4th rounder ascending to the starter role. It happens, but the odds are still against it. Owning either with the hope of a starting role in their futures is a bit of a flier. I'd make no assumptions with either Powell or McKnight and see how it plays out.

I think maybe they drafted him because they had lost Brad Smith and didn't really have a plan "b" because of the lockout. I remember an interview on Sirius shortly before the season started where Jets coaches talked about how that loss was BIG for them and they thought that McKnight was the only guy they had that they thought could replace those roles.So I thought that maybe they believed they needed depth there.

I don't know how mcKnight may have a better chance of getting away from that role and having a more fantasy-friendly role this year but I have seen a lot of Powell in college and I honestly think McKnight would produce better in that offense if the Jets had to turn it over to one or the other.

I don't know if the Jets will draft another RB this year but I can definitely see them bringing in a FA. A couple of guys that I could see would be Tashard Choice or Knowshon Moreno if he is let go. I don't think either of those does anything to clear up the fantasy questions but I could see ither of them being available and working for the Jets.

Thanks for that on the possible reason for drafting another 4th rounder. I'd always wondered, and remembered when McKnight arrived out of shape in his first camp, and that led to me speculating they may be unhappy with McKnight somehow. But he has done well with his chances on the field and they've said nothing negative about him since he got into condition, so I decided my earlier speculation was either incorrect or no longer relevant.

 

[theedge]

From the 2010 and 2011 RSP

2010 RSP

Joe McKnight

"Not very power, McKnight will likely be more of a complementary back, but Tiki

Barber steadily evolved into more - so there's always a

chance McKnight could, too.

He is compared to Reggie Bush-Jerious Norwood"

2011 RSP

Bilal Powell

"But even at 207 pounds, he possesses the best combo of

power, speed, and maturity between the tackles I've seen.

(I believe he's referring to the combo in 2011)

He is rated in the "Star" catagory in power.

He is compared to Terrell Davis--XTashard Choice"

I have Powell in a couple of leagues and I expect him to take over at some point this year.

At least I hope he does. Chuckle, chuckle

 

[BeTheMatch]

I don't see McKnight as a feature back at all. Powell seems to fit that build more from a size standpoint. They don't look similar at all to me on the field.

People get way too hung up on how a guy looks in terms of shape and size. SJax looks nothing like McFadden. Charles looks nothing like MJD. People really ought to let that crap go. All it does is muck up your thinking.McKnight ran 32 times in a game. I know it was a meaningless Week 17 game, but the Jets didn't worry about size. They wanted to see what he could do. Ultimately, the Jets' opinion is all that matters.

I know it's the Jets' opinion that matters. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. However, one game doesn't mean squat. My point is I don't see McKnight's body holding up over the course of a season as a feature back. To ignore size is crazy. There a million examples of smaller guys not holding up, and only a handful in recent memory that could - and they stand out because of how rare they are. Warrick Dunn, as an example.

I think we define small differently. I don't see 198 (essentially 200) as small. It's pretty common among RBs. McCoy, C Johnson, Charles, Bradshaw, Spiller, Best, R Bush, Hunter are all listed within 2-3 pounds of that. I think you're choosing a completely irrelevant reason to decide, good doctor, that his body can't hold up.

I trust my eyes. McKnight has skinny legs, unlike Bradshaw, Spiller, even Hunter. He's taller than most of those guys, so he doesn't have the same frame even though their overall weight is similar. He doesn't have the long speed of CJ nor the elusiveness of McCoy. So what is he? To me, he's a fill-in type/special teams guy that could do OK in some limited role. Powell may be too, of course. I'm not suggesting he's headed to Canton. I'm just saying if I had to pick one lottery ticket, I would choose Powell over McKnight.

 

[Couch Potato]

I don't see McKnight as a feature back at all. Powell seems to fit that build more from a size standpoint. They don't look similar at all to me on the field.

People get way too hung up on how a guy looks in terms of shape and size. SJax looks nothing like McFadden. Charles looks nothing like MJD. People really ought to let that crap go. All it does is muck up your thinking.McKnight ran 32 times in a game. I know it was a meaningless Week 17 game, but the Jets didn't worry about size. They wanted to see what he could do. Ultimately, the Jets' opinion is all that matters.

I know it's the Jets' opinion that matters. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. However, one game doesn't mean squat. My point is I don't see McKnight's body holding up over the course of a season as a feature back. To ignore size is crazy. There a million examples of smaller guys not holding up, and only a handful in recent memory that could - and they stand out because of how rare they are. Warrick Dunn, as an example.

I think we define small differently. I don't see 198 (essentially 200) as small. It's pretty common among RBs. McCoy, C Johnson, Charles, Bradshaw, Spiller, Best, R Bush, Hunter are all listed within 2-3 pounds of that. I think you're choosing a completely irrelevant reason to decide, good doctor, that his body can't hold up.

I trust my eyes. McKnight has skinny legs, unlike Bradshaw, Spiller, even Hunter. He's taller than most of those guys, so he doesn't have the same frame even though their overall weight is similar. He doesn't have the long speed of CJ nor the elusiveness of McCoy. So what is he? To me, he's a fill-in type/special teams guy that could do OK in some limited role. Powell may be too, of course. I'm not suggesting he's headed to Canton. I'm just saying if I had to pick one lottery ticket, I would choose Powell over McKnight.

All the guys I mentioned are listed at 5'11" the same as McKnight, except McCoy and Best who are listed at 5'10", and Hunter at 5'7" but is also a reach to become a starter. So I'm done talking about size. It's simply not a factor and totally irrelevant to whether he can succeed or not. Now, when you mention other things like elusiveness and so forth, that's absolutely relevant and I have no disagreement to make when you start discussing relevant points. But you weren't talking about those things before. You were saying his size made him a concern to hold up, and I was simply pointing out that using his size as an issue is flat out wrong. Other factors will determine if he can cut it or not.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Powell and McKnight are very close in size. I see McKnight listed at 5'11" 198 and Powell at 5'10" 205. Not enough of a difference to draw an inference anyway. I'd dispute the 'scatback' label too. At the end of 2010, McKnight started a game and ran the ball 32 times for 158 yards.I have both in various leagues so I'm not expressing a preference due to ownership, and honestly have no idea which will be the better long term play. It opened my eyes when 4th rounder Powell was drafted a year following McKnight, also a 4th rounder. That sort of thing would seemingly indicate a fall from grace for the earlier guy, but McKnight maintained his role in 2011 and currently stands to be the one benefiting from Tomlinson's departure. Could Powell beat him out? Possible. Could Greene's eventual replacement be drafted in this draft? Also possible.Bottom line is the odds are against either 4th rounder ascending to the starter role. It happens, but the odds are still against it. Owning either with the hope of a starting role in their futures is a bit of a flier. I'd make no assumptions with either Powell or McKnight and see how it plays out.

Couch....you can't just look at height/weight and the draw conclusions. All you have to do is look at some game tape and you can clearly see the differences in styles between McKnight and Powell. Powell runs in between the tackles and has a low center of gravity.....he is made and plays like a lead RB. McKnight prefers to run outside the tackles and plays more like a scatback. Proof is in the pudding. I owe both as well......Powell is the future.

 

[Couch Potato]

I think I was very very clear that I was drawing NO conclusions on the futures of either. If you missed that, please re-read what I said.

If you are saying with any certainty that Powell is the future, you must have a crystal ball. There's no way to know that at this point. I'll say again that the odds are against both of them.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

I think I was very very clear that I was drawing NO conclusions on the futures of either. If you missed that, please re-read what I said.If you are saying with any certainty that Powell is the future, you must have a crystal ball. There's no way to know that at this point. I'll say again that the odds are against both of them.

I was commenting on you just looking at height and weight......then calling them similar players. They couldn't be more different. No need to reread your posts.

 

[Couch Potato]

I think I was very very clear that I was drawing NO conclusions on the futures of either. If you missed that, please re-read what I said.If you are saying with any certainty that Powell is the future, you must have a crystal ball. There's no way to know that at this point. I'll say again that the odds are against both of them.

I was commenting on you just looking at height and weight......then calling them similar players. They couldn't be more different players. No need to reread your posts.....they show clear ignorance.

Ah, clear ignorance. I see. I never called them similar players by the way. My comments only pertained to whether McKnight's size was an issue. But don't let the facts get in the way. OK, well I'll exit this thread then and you guys can continue with your Powell love unabated. Because you obviously already know the future. Best of luck.

 

[finito]

Powell is the future.

Is there any indication this is true? He couldn't get on the field last season... when he finally did, he promptly fumbled. I'm not saying he's not going to ever produce, but I don't know how anyone could definitively draw the conclusion that "Powell is the future" after such a dismal rookie year. It's not like he was a high draft pick who blew up. He's a 4th rounder who had significant struggles his first year.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Powell is the future.

Is there any indication this is true? He couldn't get on the field last season... when he finally did, he promptly fumbled. I'm not saying he's not going to ever produce, but I don't know how anyone could definitively draw the conclusion that "Powell is the future" after such a dismal rookie year. It's not like he was a high draft pick who blew up. He's a 4th rounder who had significant struggles his first year.

That's my bold prediction. Of course I have no indications this is true, but Powell as the future is my opinion. I'd rather put my thoughts out here rather than saying......"maybe he is and maybe he isn't. Maybe it's McKnight and maybe it isn't". Anyone can say anything can happen.......I'm growing a pair and sticking my neck out for Powell. I loved him in Louisville and I think he has a great NFL future ahead of him.

 

[az_prof]

I don't see McKnight as a feature back at all. Powell seems to fit that build more from a size standpoint. They don't look similar at all to me on the field.

People get way too hung up on how a guy looks in terms of shape and size. SJax looks nothing like McFadden. Charles looks nothing like MJD. People really ought to let that crap go. All it does is muck up your thinking.McKnight ran 32 times in a game. I know it was a meaningless Week 17 game, but the Jets didn't worry about size. They wanted to see what he could do. Ultimately, the Jets' opinion is all that matters.

McFadden has not proven that he has the physical durability to be a featured back. Same for Charles. Powell has more weight and a stockier build than McKnight. McKnight was never a featured back in college. I am not optimistic about either, to be honest, but I think Powell has more upside.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

There are at least 10-12 Rb's I like better in this draft, than Powell. I have a feeling that the Jets will feel the same way, and draft the future.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

There are at least 10-12 Rb's I like better in this draft, than Powell. I have a feeling that the Jets will feel the same way, and draft the future.

You might be right, but I do know the Jets 'were' extremely high on Powell......when they drafted him, they stood up and cheered. You don't see that very often. Does it mean anything? Yes and No. It doesn't mean Powell will suceed or is the future of the Jets backfield, but it does mean that the Jets more than likely will give him a shot at it. Given no offseason, it's not surprising Bilal didn't see more than a few touches in 2011 and I feel the Jets are still just as high on Powell as when they drafted him. Look for him to get some carries this year and if he does well, he'll get more. I personally don't think the Jets will draft a top RB prospect.....they may pick one up late though or they may not.

 

[Bayhawks]

McFadden has not proven that he has the physical durability to be a featured back. Same for Charles.

Charles hasn't? Until he blew out his ACL, he NEVER missed a game because of injury (one sit because Haley wanted to play mind games in 09). If one ACL injury means he isn't physically durable enough, I guess ADP has not proven that he has hte physical durability to be a featured back, either, huh?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'll be the first to admit that Shonn Greene is nothing special at all (and have said so often) - but the pendulum is starting to swing so far the other way on message boards now, that I'll defend him a little bit. Greene is a solid power back that has good straightline speed for a back his size. He has the trust of the coaching staff, who are happy (and will be more so this year) with a grind it out type back. He does very little ability to make things happen on his own (no shiftiness) and is a classic "get what the blocking gives you" kind of back - but the Jets will look to try and plug the holes in their line (Hunter at RT and Slaussen at LG) and get things back on track. It's funny because you still hear people saying that he's one dimensional and not involved in the passing game, yet he caught 30 balls last season - even with LT2 manning the third down back role.

While he's certainly replaceable if a more talented/complete back comes along, I personally am not sure that back is on the roster right now. Powell looked absolutely horrible last preseason, but perhpas he was "overthinking" things a bit with the ball in his hands instead of hitting the holes hard. He does deserve a pass, but I saw nothing out of him that makes me think he'd be nay better than Greene at this point. McKinght impressed me in the he has great quickness and speed and can make things happen on his own, but I do have some doubts he can be a featured back. I was at the game against Buffalo in Week 17 in 2009 and while he did prove he can handle the carries of a feature back and ended up with over 150 yards it was a game that both teams were obviously just going through the motions (Jets resting everyone for the playoffs and Buffalo looking to get on the bus and then clean out their lockers and go home).

I'm not saying Powell is a bad speculative "own" but I do think McKinght was the better back last season and do see the Jets adding another back through the draft or FA as a strong possibility.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

McFadden has not proven that he has the physical durability to be a featured back. Same for Charles.

Charles hasn't? Until he blew out his ACL, he NEVER missed a game because of injury (one sit because Haley wanted to play mind games in 09). If one ACL injury means he isn't physically durable enough, I guess ADP has not proven that he has hte physical durability to be a featured back, either, huh?

Not to mention the ACL tear came on a fluke play where he slid on the first down marker out of bounds.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

There are at least 10-12 Rb's I like better in this draft, than Powell. I have a feeling that the Jets will feel the same way, and draft the future.

You might be right, but I do know the Jets 'were' extremely high on Powell......when they drafted him, they stood up and cheered. You don't see that very often.

The Jets also traded up to get Greene two years before when he was sitting there on Day 2 (Rounds 1 and 2 were "Day 1" at that time). Greene has finished the last two seasons strong. I don't beleive the Jets are as down on him as you want to beleive they are.I don't own any of these backs in any of my three dynasty leagues (I traded both McKnight and Powell away this offseason in the one league I has them), but I'm speaking as some one that has watched all of them play almost every NFL snap they've taken.

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

There are at least 10-12 Rb's I like better in this draft, than Powell. I have a feeling that the Jets will feel the same way, and draft the future.

You might be right, but I do know the Jets 'were' extremely high on Powell......when they drafted him, they stood up and cheered. You don't see that very often.

The Jets also traded up to get Greene two years before when he was sitting there on Day 2 (Rounds 1 and 2 were "Day 1" at that time). Greene has finished the last two seasons strong. I don't beleive the Jets are as down on him as you want to beleive they are.I don't own any of these backs in any of my three dynasty leagues (I traded both McKnight and Powell away this offseason in the one league I has them), but I'm speaking as some one that has watched all of them play almost every NFL snap they've taken.

I'm not impressed with Greene. He could very well be resigned in 2013, you are right! I'm in the majority who thinks he's no more than average.

 

[B Maverick]

I dont get the Greene hate, he has a 4.3 career ypc ave and went over 1000 yards for the first time when given a starters share of the carries. He may not be flashy or dynamic but neither is M Turner. And no, I am not comparing them, just pointing out that Turner is a straight lined runner. So is Mendenhall. The downside is he is already 26 but the milage isnt there as some other rbs. It would not surprise me to see Greene carry the load in 2012 and 2013 (if he continues to improve). Seems to me WR and QB are more of a worry then RB.

 

[finito]

I dont get the Greene hate, he has a 4.3 career ypc ave and went over 1000 yards for the first time when given a starters share of the carries. He may not be flashy or dynamic but neither is M Turner. And no, I am not comparing them, just pointing out that Turner is a straight lined runner. So is Mendenhall. The downside is he is already 26 but the milage isnt there as some other rbs. It would not surprise me to see Greene carry the load in 2012 and 2013 (if he continues to improve). Seems to me WR and QB are more of a worry then RB.

Offensive line is a worry - I think if they improve the line, Greene is going to be a 1200 yd guy in 2012. And he catches the ball better than you would think.

 

[maxwelledison]

McFadden has not proven that he has the physical durability to be a featured back. Same for Charles.

Charles hasn't? Until he blew out his ACL, he NEVER missed a game because of injury (one sit because Haley wanted to play mind games in 09). If one ACL injury means he isn't physically durable enough, I guess ADP has not proven that he has hte physical durability to be a featured back, either, huh?

Yes, that is a great comp as Charles has clearly proven to be as physically reliable as ADP.

 

[az_prof]

McFadden has not proven that he has the physical durability to be a featured back. Same for Charles.

Charles hasn't? Until he blew out his ACL, he NEVER missed a game because of injury (one sit because Haley wanted to play mind games in 09). If one ACL injury means he isn't physically durable enough, I guess ADP has not proven that he has hte physical durability to be a featured back, either, huh?

Yes, that is a great comp as Charles has clearly proven to be as physically reliable as ADP.

Exactly! ADP has 1400 carries and has had four years of being a featured, bell weather back, before his injury in his fifth season. He also is built strong and has good size.Charles may prove to be a featured back, but he hasn't proven it yet. He has 499 carries and only one season where he had more than 200 carries. I am sorry; you may consider him a great back but he hasn't proven that he is a featured back or that he has the durability to carry the load. Are we seriously comparing him to ADP?

Charles is also on the small side.

However, if someone wants to start a thread to talk about Charles, go for it. Don't think we should steal this thread.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

If Powell makes the roster, that would be an accomplishment.

 

[Bayhawks]

McFadden has not proven that he has the physical durability to be a featured back. Same for Charles.

Charles hasn't? Until he blew out his ACL, he NEVER missed a game because of injury (one sit because Haley wanted to play mind games in 09). If one ACL injury means he isn't physically durable enough, I guess ADP has not proven that he has hte physical durability to be a featured back, either, huh?

Yes, that is a great comp as Charles has clearly proven to be as physically reliable as ADP.

Exactly! ADP has 1400 carries and has had four years of being a featured, bell weather back, before his injury in his fifth season. He also is built strong and has good size.Charles may prove to be a featured back, but he hasn't proven it yet. He has 499 carries and only one season where he had more than 200 carries. I am sorry; you may consider him a great back but he hasn't proven that he is a featured back or that he has the durability to carry the load. Are we seriously comparing him to ADP?

Charles is also on the small side.

However, if someone wants to start a thread to talk about Charles, go for it. Don't think we should steal this thread.

I was replying to your inaccurate, mis-informed post that Charles has not proven he has the physical durability to be a featured back.YOU posted something that was ridiculous. I merely showed how ridiculous it was, since until his freak ACL injury, he has missed fewer games to injury than Peterson.

He has proven time and again that he can handle large workloads (7.52 YPC in the 10 games when he has received 20+ touches), Haley was just too stupid to give him the carries. Just because you don't understand that doesn't make it true.

 

[az_prof]

McFadden has not proven that he has the physical durability to be a featured back. Same for Charles.

Charles hasn't? Until he blew out his ACL, he NEVER missed a game because of injury (one sit because Haley wanted to play mind games in 09). If one ACL injury means he isn't physically durable enough, I guess ADP has not proven that he has hte physical durability to be a featured back, either, huh?

Yes, that is a great comp as Charles has clearly proven to be as physically reliable as ADP.

Exactly! ADP has 1400 carries and has had four years of being a featured, bell weather back, before his injury in his fifth season. He also is built strong and has good size.Charles may prove to be a featured back, but he hasn't proven it yet. He has 499 carries and only one season where he had more than 200 carries. I am sorry; you may consider him a great back but he hasn't proven that he is a featured back or that he has the durability to carry the load. Are we seriously comparing him to ADP?

Charles is also on the small side.

However, if someone wants to start a thread to talk about Charles, go for it. Don't think we should steal this thread.

I was replying to your inaccurate, mis-informed post that Charles has not proven he has the physical durability to be a featured back.YOU posted something that was ridiculous. I merely showed how ridiculous it was, since until his freak ACL injury, he has missed fewer games to injury than Peterson.

He has proven time and again that he can handle large workloads (7.52 YPC in the 10 games when he has received 20+ touches), Haley was just too stupid to give him the carries. Just because you don't understand that doesn't make it true.

Looks like we will have to agree to disagree.Do you have any comments on Bilal Powell and the Jet's RB situation?