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Bill Cosby needs a new Media Manager (and to stop raping) (1 Viewer)

I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
The presumption of innocence and the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard are safeguards of the criminal justice system, designed to make sure we don't throw people in jail for a long time if they didn't commit a crime. You're not supposed to apply them when reaching your own common sense conclusion about a particular person, or what you think happened in a particular case. That would be silly.

 
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I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
:goodposting: A dozen plus women who don't know each other are probably coming forward and doing this for their 15 minutes of fame.

 
If these women stick with their story and just want the truth out, good for them....If they chase one dime, they lose all credibility. IMO
I feel like this is a unique phenomenon for accusations of rape because people still like to trivialize sexual assaults and blame the victim. It's ridiculous to say that if a victim looks for compensation then they lose credibility and the rape never happened etc. We don't nearly see as much outrage with this in civil suits for wrongful deaths or even just personal injuries cases etc. Hell for as much crap sexual assault victims have to deal with just for coming forward, they deserve to be compensated and 90% of victims have no interest in compensation just to have people believe their stories.
I can agree with this when children are involved or adults that report it within a reasonable time....When it happens in 1969 and you decide to come forward now? That particular woman was 19 at the time, reluctantly had oral sex with him and then went out with him again and then claims he raped her..And now in 2014 it is time to tell your story? You can't see how that looks a little odd? How her credibility comes in question?
I know right? Plus in the late 60's broads wore those little micro miniskirts. It's not rape if you're showing that much thigh IMO.
I'm guessing there was more than a little intimidation factor when you are sexually assaulted by a beloved celebrity. I can't speak with any authority of the atmosphere of the late 60s/early 70s but I'm guessing it wasn't accommodating for sexual assault victims. Especially considering many of these women were aspiring actresses, they were probably afraid of repercussions. Additionally maybe many of these women tried to come forward but their stories were dismissed or just outright ignored.

15 women have come forward or were willing to at one time and stated they were sexually assaulted by Cosby. I'm far more likely to believe 15 unconnected women than that there is some big conspiracy now to stick it to Cosby. Also even if one of the victims stories are embellished or just an outright lie it doesn't discount the 14 other victims.
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I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
:goodposting: A dozen plus women who don't know each other are probably coming forward and doing this for their 15 minutes of fame.
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I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
A former prosecutor who investigated one of the allegations against Cosby thinks Cosby committed the crime, but the prosecutor said he did not bring charges against Cosby because he didn't have the physcial evidence to prevail at trial. Cosby ultimately settled with the victim in that case.

Ex-prosecutor wanted to charge Bill Cosby but lacked evidence

"I had a theory that Cosby had drugged the woman using something to make her sleepy and to make her defenseless or unable to recall what happened, but because of the delay, I couldn't check her blood," he said.

Of Cosby's interview with prosecutors, Castor said, "I thought he was lying. I thought he was evasive, and I thought that those things would be of value if I had another piece (of evidence) to go forward with."

The case would have come down to she said, he said, and while Castor felt strongly that Constand was telling the truth, her statements alone were not going to be enough to convict Cosby, the ex-prosecutor said.

"Did I think he probably did something inappropriate? Yes. Did I think that I could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt based on available, credible and admissible evidence? No, I didn't," he said.

 
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I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
:goodposting: A dozen plus women who don't know each other are probably coming forward and doing this for their 15 minutes of fame.
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To your post I was agreeing with? with? :confused:
 
Serious question:

When did all of the accusations come out? Was it after Cosby paid the one lady? I haven't seen a timeline as to when people started coming forward in regards to him paying off the one girl.

 
Just playing devils advocate here but if someone did get paid off and being BC has been around so many women just as an actor, who is to say some are claiming this happened and it really didn't? Maybe BC didn't help someone get a part for her career or something and is revengeful. That's what hard with this case. No one will ever know except BC himself.

 
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
:goodposting: A dozen plus women who don't know each other are probably coming forward and doing this for their 15 minutes of fame.
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To your post I was agreeing with? with? :confused:
My bad I thought you were being a wise guy.

 
Just playing devils advocate here but if someone did get paid off and being BC has been around so many women just as an actor, who is to say some are claiming this happened and it really didn't? Maybe BC didn't help someone get a part for her career or something and is revengeful. That's what hard with this case. No one will ever know except BC himself.
Becuause the accuser wouldn't know too?

 
Just playing devils advocate here but if someone did get paid off and being BC has been around so many women just as an actor, who is to say some are claiming this happened and it really didn't? Maybe BC didn't help someone get a part for her career or something and is revengeful. That's what hard with this case. No one will ever know except BC himself.
I'm fairly certain the victims would know. I understand why some people are hestitant to believe the alleged victims, and I understand why people want to extend Cosby the presumption of innocence. If Cosby is guilty, though, the victims would know.

 
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
I'm good.
 
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
:goodposting: A dozen plus women who don't know each other are probably coming forward and doing this for their 15 minutes of fame.
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To your post I was agreeing with? with? :confused:
My bad I thought you were being a wise guy.
:mellow:

 
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
A former prosecutor who investigated one of the allegations against Cosby thinks Cosby committed the crime, but the prosecutor said he did not bring charges against Cosby because he didn't have the physcial evidence to prevail at trial. Cosby ultimately settled with the victim in that case.

Ex-prosecutor wanted to charge Bill Cosby but lacked evidence

"I had a theory that Cosby had drugged the woman using something to make her sleepy and to make her defenseless or unable to recall what happened, but because of the delay, I couldn't check her blood," he said.

Of Cosby's interview with prosecutors, Castor said, "I thought he was lying. I thought he was evasive, and I thought that those things would be of value if I had another piece (of evidence) to go forward with."

The case would have come down to she said, he said, and while Castor felt strongly that Constand was telling the truth, her statements alone were not going to be enough to convict Cosby, the ex-prosecutor said.

"Did I think he probably did something inappropriate? Yes. Did I think that I could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt based on available, credible and admissible evidence? No, I didn't," he said.
So one mans opinion after an interview makes it fact. If he felt that strongly about it why not take a chance and prosecute him maybe the victims story would have been compelling enough for the jury to agree. Sounds like this guy let the victim down. Oh that's right he had no evidence.

 
Just playing devils advocate here but if someone did get paid off and being BC has been around so many women just as an actor, who is to say some are claiming this happened and it really didn't? Maybe BC didn't help someone get a part for her career or something and is revengeful. That's what hard with this case. No one will ever know except BC himself.
I'm fairly certain the victims would know. I understand why some people are hestitant to believe the alleged victims, and I understand why people want to extend Cosby the presumption of innocence. If Cosby is guilty, though, the victims would know.
Unless they were drugged, in which case, they wouldn't know.

 
Here's your formula:

One woman accuses you of drugging and raping her: 50% chance she's making it up. I'm just taking the accusation in a vacuum with no other considerations.

Two unrelated women accuse you: 80% chance you raped at least one of them IMO. 20% chance they are both lying or crazy, and that's being generous.

Three or more: You're a rapist, 100% chance, no way they're all making it up.

HTH

 
Here's your formula:

One woman accuses you of drugging and raping her: 50% chance she's making it up. I'm just taking the accusation in a vacuum with no other considerations.

Two unrelated women accuse you: 80% chance you raped at least one of them IMO. 20% chance they are both lying or crazy, and that's being generous.

Three or more: You're a rapist, 100% chance, no way they're all making it up.

HTH
So if three or more women with nothing to lose and something to gain said McGarnicle is a rapist....You would be a rapist?

 
Two Deep said:
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof.
New to the internet or the world? Sadly this is how it is. No matter how this plays out he will now forever be known as a rapist.

 
Seems to me he raped dozens of women and never had to spend a day in jail. He had a lot of clout and he took advantage of girls who were trying to make it in his industry, and wouldn't dare cross the great Cosby. Not a bad deal for him I guess, now he gets to die in shame. :ptts:

 
November 2002 Andrea Constand

February 10, 2005 Tamara Green

June 2005 Beth Ferrier

June 2006 Barbara Bowman

November 16, 2014 Joan Tarshis

November 18, 2014 Janice Dickinson

November 20, 2014 Therese Serignese

List of accusers so far (that I've found)

 
November 2002 Andrea Constand

February 10, 2005 Tamara Green

June 2005 Beth Ferrier

June 2006 Barbara Bowman

November 16, 2014 Joan Tarshis

November 18, 2014 Janice Dickinson

November 20, 2014 Therese Serignese

List of accusers so far (that I've found)
Two Deep said:
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
 
Article from 2006.

But there’s something else, along with the plight of poor people, dogging Bill Cosby. His lawyers have gotten it pushed to the back burner, down to a simmer, and maybe it will amount to nothing, yet there is also the possibility that it will bubble up to destroy him. A young Canadian woman he met in Philadelphia through Temple University is accusing him of drugging her and then, when she was in a near-comatose state, molesting her. It went nowhere legally — the woman, Andrea Constand, waited a year before going to police, it boiled down to a he said/she said (Cosby claimed the sex was consensual, according to ABC News), and the police dropped the case for lack of evidence. But Constand filed a civil complaint in federal court in Philly last year, suing for an unspecified amount of money over $150,000. It is still Cosby’s no against her yes, except for one difference: Thirteen women are waiting to be deposed in the suit; in a court filing, Constand’s lawyer says that all of them — with nothing to gain, with no payout waiting, with their own statutes of limitations run out — have stories about Bill Cosby as well, and some of them will claim a similar drug-and-fondling M.O.
 
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Two Deep said:
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof. Just accept a few stories as fact. Maybe he did do it, but maybe he didn't and all of you people are contributing to character assassination. When you have facts come talk to me.
A former prosecutor who investigated one of the allegations against Cosby thinks Cosby committed the crime, but the prosecutor said he did not bring charges against Cosby because he didn't have the physcial evidence to prevail at trial. Cosby ultimately settled with the victim in that case.

Ex-prosecutor wanted to charge Bill Cosby but lacked evidence

"I had a theory that Cosby had drugged the woman using something to make her sleepy and to make her defenseless or unable to recall what happened, but because of the delay, I couldn't check her blood," he said.

Of Cosby's interview with prosecutors, Castor said, "I thought he was lying. I thought he was evasive, and I thought that those things would be of value if I had another piece (of evidence) to go forward with."

The case would have come down to she said, he said, and while Castor felt strongly that Constand was telling the truth, her statements alone were not going to be enough to convict Cosby, the ex-prosecutor said.

"Did I think he probably did something inappropriate? Yes. Did I think that I could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt based on available, credible and admissible evidence? No, I didn't," he said.
So one mans opinion after an interview makes it fact. If he felt that strongly about it why not take a chance and prosecute him maybe the victims story would have been compelling enough for the jury to agree. Sounds like this guy let the victim down. Oh that's right he had no evidence.
Not exactly just any one man's opinion here.

Frankly, I find his statements and subsequent actions refreshing. Prosecutors are there to ensure justice prevails...not to acquire a conviction at any cost. The guy didn't think he could win a trial because he lacked the needed evidence. Why in god's name would you ever want prosecutors taking people to trial on the hope that they can persuade a jury to convict without sufficient evidence provided?

 
If these women stick with their story and just want the truth out, good for them....If they chase one dime, they lose all credibility. IMO
Sure, that's what I always say. The moment someone asks a person who wronged them for compensation for the harm, they lose all credibility. That's why we should do away with all recovery in civil litigation. Just having a third party decide that you were in the right and someone else was in the wrong is compensation enough!
Good to see today's delivery of snark and condescension has arrived.
I have zero remorse about being snarky and condescending in this context. Victim-blaming and trying to discredit sexual assault victims simply because they seek compensation are both awful.
You're snaky and condescending in every context. Pro tip: a certain tactic loses it's effectiveness when used too much.

 
Howard Stern was playing a clip from an interview he did with Janice Dickinson from 2006. She said her publisher would not let her put details of Bill Cosby in her book. She just said Bill Cosby is not a good guy and left it at that.

 
McGarnicle said:
Here's your formula:

One woman accuses you of drugging and raping her: 50% chance she's making it up. I'm just taking the accusation in a vacuum with no other considerations.

Two unrelated women accuse you: 80% chance you raped at least one of them IMO. 20% chance they are both lying or crazy, and that's being generous.

Three or more: You're a rapist, 100% chance, no way they're all making it up.

HTH
So if three or more women with nothing to lose and something to gain said McGarnicle is a rapist....You would be a rapist?
This is :bs: There aren't 15 women on the planet who'd want to have sex with McGarnicle.

 
Two Deep said:
I like how all of you all have found Cosby guilty without having any proof.
New to the internet or the world? Sadly this is how it is. No matter how this plays out he will now forever be known as a rapist.
If you were in his shoes would you address this?
One or two, maybe you blow it off. At 15, you can't ignore the alleged elephant in the room. Also, it's not 1980 anymore; people are going to keep digging and looking for dirt. I'm looking at you, TMZ.

 
After seeing the DA here on the local news talk about how he felt Cosby was lying, being evading and just all around being very sketchy, I think I'm almost 100% convinced he's done most of what is being accused of him. DA said something along the lines of "We deal with this everyday, people who we know are guilty but we don't have enough evidence to put them away."

 
Why in god's name would you ever want prosecutors taking people to trial on the hope that they can persuade a jury to convict without sufficient evidence provided?
It's not hard to understand -- for a lot of people, a guilty person going free is as much of a failure of the system as an innocent person being locked up. Also, a lot of people, in private, are totally cool with cutting corners to get a "truly guilty" person behind bars -- so long as it's not someone in which they are personally invested.

This must be what people mean when they say "The American justice system is a bad system -- but it's the best one we've got". :shrug:

 
Article from 2006.

... It is still Cosby’s no against her yes, except for one difference: Thirteen women are waiting to be deposed in the suit; in a court filing, Constand’s lawyer says that all of them — with nothing to gain, with no payout waiting, with their own statutes of limitations run out — have stories about Bill Cosby as well, and some of them will claim a similar drug-and-fondling M.O.
Amazingly, even in 2006 this barely went public. I'd say Cosby's publicity handlers actually earned their pay handily.

I still can't help wondering how nothing happened against him in 30-odd years on this front. For example, Roman Polanski was busted on a not-dissimilar charge in the 70s -- so even then, the time was ripe for this kind of stuff to blow up. Was Cosby just that lucky?

 
Article from 2006.

... It is still Cosby’s no against her yes, except for one difference: Thirteen women are waiting to be deposed in the suit; in a court filing, Constand’s lawyer says that all of them — with nothing to gain, with no payout waiting, with their own statutes of limitations run out — have stories about Bill Cosby as well, and some of them will claim a similar drug-and-fondling M.O.
Amazingly, even in 2006 this barely went public. I'd say Cosby's publicity handlers actually earned their pay handily.

I still can't help wondering how nothing happened against him in 30-odd years on this front. For example, Roman Polanski was busted on a not-dissimilar charge in the 70s -- so even then, the time was ripe for this kind of stuff to blow up. Was Cosby just that lucky?
The only reason the Polanski stuff was big is because it was a 13 year old girl. If the same facts of the case existed except that the girl was a women then I'm guessing nothing would have really come from it. The public likes to question why women put themselves in vulnerable situations or why they didn't fight back etc, they couldn't do that when the victim was a child but they still tried to.

 
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Doug B said:
I still can't help wondering how nothing happened against him in 30-odd years on this front. For example, Roman Polanski was busted on a not-dissimilar charge in the 70s -- so even then, the time was ripe for this kind of stuff to blow up. Was Cosby just that lucky?
People wanted to believe that Cosby was who he seemed to be. Seemed to be warmhearted, very funny, very knowledgeable about kids growing up, full of wisdom from a wise-sounding voice, telling black men to keep their **** in their pants and be more responsible. People really wanted to believe. He's not the first celebrity whose real life wildly differed from his image.

 
1967

Carla Ferrigno, who is now married to bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, said she was working as a Playboy Bunny in 1967 when she went on a double date with the comedian and his wife. She claims the date ended up at the Cosbys’ house, and when Cosby’s wife Camille retired for the evening, and her companion disappeared, Cosby attacked her.

"He was much bigger than me. Much bigger and he pulled me so hard and so rough. I had never been treated so roughly and he pulled me hard to him so hard,” she told the Daily Mail. “And then kissed me so hard, right in the mouth. No one has ever been that physically violent with me. I was stunned. I was frozen. I took all my body strength and used both of my arms to stop him and push him away from me. He was so forceful."
 
From that last link to Fox News

Former child actress Renita Chaney told KDKA-Pittsburgh she met Cosby in the 1980s when she was 15 and acting on his educational television segments called “Picture Pages.” Over four years she said he would “fly me to a number of cities. He would be busy during the day, then I’d come to his hotel room at night.” She said Cosby would insist she have drinks, even though she was underage.

“One time, I remember just before I passed out, I remember him kissing and touching me and I remember the taste of his cigar on his breath, and I didn’t like it,” Hill said. “I remember another time when I woke up in my bed the next day and he was leaving, he mentioned you should probably lose a little weight. I thought that odd, how would he know that?” She said she was unconscious so she didn’t know if she was raped, but suspected she was.

Former model and actress Angelia Leslie told The Daily News that the comedian forced her to masturbate him in a hotel room in 1992. She said he offered her a drink but she refused. "I couldn't drink it. I tasted it and put it down,” she said. “Then he asked me to go into the bathroom and wet my hair. I walked back out, and he had removed his clothing and gotten into bed.” She said Cosby poured lotion into her palm and put her hand on him, and his on hers. "He masturbated with my hand. I wasn't pulling back. I was in shock."

Actress Louisa Moritz told TMZ that she was at the NBC studios in 1971 waiting in the green room for an appearance on “The Tonight Show” when Cosby came in and "suddenly approached me and took out his penis, which was now in the line of my face [she's 5' tall] and pressed up against it." "He took his hands and put them on the back of my head and forced his penis in my mouth, saying, 'have a taste of this. It will do you good in so many ways."

Therese Serignese, now a nurse in Boca Raton, said the television icon raped her in 1976 when she was 19 years old following a show in Las Vegas. She said she went backstage and when the two were alone, Cosby gave her two pills and a glass of water, saying, "Take these." "My next memory is clearly feeling drugged, being without my clothes, standing up," she said. "Bill Cosby was behind me, having sex with me."

Barbara Bowman, an aspiring actress, said in a Nov. 13 Washington Post column that she was 17 and blacked out after Cosby drugged her, waking up to find herself in panties and a man's T-shirt with the television icon looming over her. She said she was certain she was raped.

Joan Tarshis on Monday said she was a 19-year-old who wanted to be a comedy writer when Cosby gave her a drink and forced her to perform oral sex on him.

Janice Dickinson on Tuesday told "Entertainment Tonight" that Cosby had given her red wine and a pill when they were together in a Lake Tahoe, California, hotel room in 1982. Cosby's lawyer, Martin Singer, said in a letter to the AP that Dickinson's charges were "false and outlandish."

Tamara Green wrote an opinion piece Wednesday for "Entertainment Tonight." In 2005, Green publicly claimed that she was drugged and Cosby attempted to assault her; Cosby's lawyers have previously denied they knew each other.

In addition, Andrea Constand filed a civil suit against Cosby in 2005, which lawyers said would include testimony from 13 unnamed women. The suit was settled out of court.
Almost 50 years of this.

 
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1967

Carla Ferrigno, who is now married to bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, said she was working as a Playboy Bunny in 1967 when she went on a double date with the comedian and his wife. She claims the date ended up at the Cosbys’ house, and when Cosby’s wife Camille retired for the evening, and her companion disappeared, Cosby attacked her.

"He was much bigger than me. Much bigger and he pulled me so hard and so rough. I had never been treated so roughly and he pulled me hard to him so hard,” she told the Daily Mail. “And then kissed me so hard, right in the mouth. No one has ever been that physically violent with me. I was stunned. I was frozen. I took all my body strength and used both of my arms to stop him and push him away from me. He was so forceful."
Cosby told her "Don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."
 
Actress Louisa Moritz told TMZ that she was at the NBC studios in 1971 waiting in the green room for an appearance on “The Tonight Show” when Cosby came in and "suddenly approached me and took out his penis, which was now in the line of my face [she's 5' tall] and pressed up against it." "He took his hands and put them on the back of my head and forced his penis in my mouth, saying, 'have a taste of this. It will do you good in so many ways."
I know I shouldn't laugh, but did crack a smile at this one.

 
Actress Louisa Moritz told TMZ that she was at the NBC studios in 1971 waiting in the green room for an appearance on “The Tonight Show” when Cosby came in and "suddenly approached me and took out his penis, which was now in the line of my face [she's 5' tall] and pressed up against it." "He took his hands and put them on the back of my head and forced his penis in my mouth, saying, 'have a taste of this. It will do you good in so many ways."
I know I shouldn't laugh, but did crack a smile at this one.
How tall is Cosby..9 feet? How does one force a penis into a closed mouth?

 
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