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Bill Cosby needs a new Media Manager (and to stop raping) (1 Viewer)

So, trial starts Monday. Cosby's almost 80. His career and name are ruined. I'd rather see the cash that's going to be spent on attorneys go to victims organizations.

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Gawain said:
So, trial starts Monday. Cosby's almost 80. His career and name are ruined. I'd rather see the cash that's going to be spent on attorneys go to victims organizations.

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While the trial will be in Philadelphia, the jury members are from Allegheny County (Pittsburgh). 

 
To Bill Cosby,

I thought you were lying or at the least playing up your blindness in an effort to garner sympathy from the jury.  Then I finally got a look at your accuser. I'm sorry for accusing you of faking blindness, Bill Cosby.

 
Thunderlips said:
To Bill Cosby,

I thought you were lying or at the least playing up your blindness in an effort to garner sympathy from the jury.  Then I finally got a look at your accuser. I'm sorry for accusing you of faking blindness, Bill Cosby.
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It does seem to support the argument that sex crimes are more about power than actual banging.

 
Gawain said:
It does seem to support the argument that sex crimes are more about power than actual banging.
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Of course. It it was about sex prostitutes are available at just about any price point you are looking for.

 
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Cosby's defense team mounted a six minute defense.  I mean, I get that a lot of the work is cross examination during the prosecution's case in chief, but they couldn't find Cosby associates to testify that he had a romantic relationship with Constand?  Weird. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Cosby's defense team mounted a six minute defense.  I mean, I get that a lot of the work is cross examination during the prosecution's case in chief, but they couldn't find Cosby associates to testify that he had a romantic relationship with Constand?  Weird. 
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Yeah, you mount a six minute defense you better be about to as for Judgment as a Matter of Law because the prosecution failed to present an essential element of a crime. 

 
Deadlocked jury in Bill Cosby trial asks: 'What is reasonable doubt?'

On its fifth day of deliberations, the deadlocked jury in Bill Cosby's trial asked the court a loaded question: "What is reasonable doubt?"

Jurors also asked to rehear Cosby's deposition about acquiring Quaaludes, the third time that parts of Cosby's statements were re-read to the jury during deliberations.

After almost 41 hours of deliberations, the jury's questions leave open the possibility that jurors may remain deadlocked and unable to reach a unanimous verdict on any of the three counts of aggravated indecent assault that Cosby faces.

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On Thursday, jurors told the court that they could not come to a unanimous decision beyond a reasonable doubt, which is required in criminal cases.

Judge Steven O'Neill asked the jury to go back into deliberations for another attempt to reach a verdict, an instruction known in Pennsylvania as the Spencer Charge. It's a set of instructions that asks jurors to re-examine their own views and opinions, and there is no limit to how many times a judge can issue it.

If, after further deliberations, jurors still cannot reach consensus, the judge can choose to declare a mistrial. Defense attorneys again asked for a mistrial on Friday based on the jury's length of deliberations, but the judge denied their request.

"I'm going to allow this to go as long as this jury wishes to continue to deliberate," O'Neill said Friday.

If there is a mistrial, Cosby would not be considered guilty or not guilty, and prosecutors may choose to retry the case with a different set of jurors. Still, that would represent a major win for Cosby's team, which has argued that the case never should have reached court.

The 12-person jury is made up of four white women, six white men, one black woman and one black man. They were bused to Norristown, Pennsylvania, from Allegheny County near Pittsburgh and have been sequestered in a hotel for the trial.
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Oh boy. For this jury to get this overwith, the battle of wills between the holdout(s) and the remaining jurors has to be won by someone.

Seems to me that if any jurors have to ask what "reasonable doubt" is, though ... the prosecution pretty clear didn't make it over the bar, no?

 
McGarnicle said:
Is it possible to obtain quaaludes anymore? I don't want to rape anyone, they just seem awesome.
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I was wondering about that same thing when reading that article. Really old stash? Getting them overseas? Some other pill they're just calling "Quaaludes"? Dunno.

 
Doug B said:
I was wondering about that same thing when reading that article. Really old stash? Getting them overseas? Some other pill they're just calling "Quaaludes"? Dunno.
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It's gotta be awesome being rich and famous and being able to score literally anything. 

 
Also what in the hell is appealing about raping someone anyway? Best part of getting laid is getting the girl all horned up to where she can't take it anymore and begs for the pipe. You've gotta be really deranged to get off on violence/coercion/unconsciousness. Yet it's pretty common apparently. I hope Cosby dies in prison. He's obviously guilty as ####.

 
It would stink if my fate was in the hands of 12 people who didn't know what "reasonable doubt" means.  YOU ARE NOT MY PEERS

 
McGarnicle said:
Also what in the hell is appealing about raping someone anyway? Best part of getting laid is getting the girl all horned up to where she can't take it anymore and begs for the pipe. You've gotta be really deranged to get off on violence/coercion/unconsciousness. Yet it's pretty common apparently. I hope Cosby dies in prison. He's obviously guilty as ####.
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Obviously?

 
McGarnicle said:
One or two women accuse you of rape, maybe they're just looking for a payday. 60 women? Come on.
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I think he's guilty, but I believe you are underestimating the amount of people that would be inlined to grab a quick payday if the opportunity arose.  Most accused rapists aren't worth Cosby money.

 
First off, this guy is like a father figure to me.

Secondly, TWO black people?!?!?!... I wonder who is sandbagging this, hmmmmm?

My African American brothers and sisters have a tendency to sometimes become stubborn and defensive when confronted with a bunch of honkeys. 

 
jonessed said:
I think he's guilty, but I believe you are underestimating the amount of people that would be inlined to grab a quick payday if the opportunity arose.  Most accused rapists aren't worth Cosby money.
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Sure, it wouldn't surprise me if famous men paying off accusers was a common occurrence, even false accusers. But I would argue you'd almost have to be a psychopath to put another human being through the stress and damage to reputation and I just can't believe Cosby has come into contact with such women over 60 times. I'm as cynical as anyone about human nature, but I think it's a relatively rare personality who would do that. And you could argue it's a stupid move because you're risking your own reputation with no guarantee of getting paid off.

 
McGarnicle said:
Sure, it wouldn't surprise me if famous men paying off accusers was a common occurrence, even false accusers. But I would argue you'd almost have to be a psychopath to put another human being through the stress and damage to reputation and I just can't believe Cosby has come into contact with such women over 60 times. I'm as cynical as anyone about human nature, but I think it's a relatively rare personality who would do that. And you could argue it's a stupid move because you're risking your own reputation with no guarantee of getting paid off.
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I dont think it's a rare personality at all.  People are inherently greedy.

 
McGarnicle said:
One or two women accuse you of rape, maybe they're just looking for a payday. 60 women? Come on.
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Particularly when the MO fits what you've admitted to doing in your deposition. 

Pop Tart said:
Obviously?
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There's always some ambiguity in he said/she said situations, but yeah, I'd say that this is probably about as strong as those cases get.  Cosby's story about it being a relationship really doesn't survive scrutiny.  Do you leave the person you're in a relationship with passed out on the couch?  Do you try to pay off her family (unasked!)?  Do you give someone Benadryl to relax and call them "three little friends?"  Just speaking from the perspective of his defense team, why give a six minute defense and then wait until your case is closed to present someone to claim the accuser boasted of being able to shake down a celebrity?  Why on earth wouldn't you put that person on the stand unless you know you'd be suborning perjury?

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Particularly when the MO fits what you've admitted to doing in your deposition. 

There's always some ambiguity in he said/she said situations, but yeah, I'd say that this is probably about as strong as those cases get.  Cosby's story about it being a relationship really doesn't survive scrutiny.  Do you leave the person you're in a relationship with passed out on the couch?  Do you try to pay off her family (unasked!)?  Do you give someone Benadryl to relax and call them "three little friends?"  Just speaking from the perspective of his defense team, why give a six minute defense and then wait until your case is closed to present someone to claim the accuser boasted of being able to shake down a celebrity?  Why on earth wouldn't you put that person on the stand unless you know you'd be suborning perjury?
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Thanks. I haven't seen much of the testimony or read anything about it, hence the reason for my original post.

 
jonessed said:
I dont think it's a rare personality at all.  People are inherently greedy.
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Then logically it would be common for famous men to have public rape allegations at some point in their careers, yet it's a rare thing.

I'd be interested to know how many quiet payoffs have happened though. 

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Particularly when the MO fits what you've admitted to doing in your deposition. 

There's always some ambiguity in he said/she said situations, but yeah, I'd say that this is probably about as strong as those cases get.  Cosby's story about it being a relationship really doesn't survive scrutiny.  Do you leave the person you're in a relationship with passed out on the couch?  Do you try to pay off her family (unasked!)?  Do you give someone Benadryl to relax and call them "three little friends?"  Just speaking from the perspective of his defense team, why give a six minute defense and then wait until your case is closed to present someone to claim the accuser boasted of being able to shake down a celebrity?  Why on earth wouldn't you put that person on the stand unless you know you'd be suborning perjury?
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Because the judge ruled pretrial that her testimony would be hearsay and didn't allow her to testify?

ETA: Link

 
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McGarnicle said:
Then logically it would be common for famous men to have public rape allegations at some point in their careers, yet it's a rare thing.

I'd be interested to know how many quiet payoffs have happened though. 
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I think it's more of a piling on once the opportunity opens.

In Cosby's case the evidence is quite extensive on several of individual cases.  Unfortunately, a lot of it isn't admissible.

 
The vast majority of women who have accused Cosby are time-barred from suing him.  If they're all gold diggers, they're doing it wrong.  Even if we assume the motive is to get attention or make a career out of it (which would be an odd motivation for a bunch 0f 60+ women, but OK) it would seem that accusing someone different would be far more beneficial than being lumped in with a bunch of other accusers. 

 
Freaking guy has admitted what he was doing.  He admitted giving them drugs!

And people are talking about a money grab.  

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
The vast majority of women who have accused Cosby are time-barred from suing him.  If they're all gold diggers, they're doing it wrong.  Even if we assume the motive is to get attention or make a career out of it (which would be an odd motivation for a bunch 0f 60+ women, but OK) it would seem that accusing someone different would be far more beneficial than being lumped in with a bunch of other accusers. 
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Here's an alternative theory:

Cosby was enabled by countless people over the years, as he was the Golden Goose, it seems unlikely that every victim has come forward, and the people who yell money grab would yell money grab even if there was video of Cosby with his P in an unconscious V.

Why is anyone talking money grab when there isn't any money being grabbed?  

 
Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Thanks, I couldn't find that link.  I still don't understand why you'd release the statement instead of just saying that the judge prevented you from mounting a defense. 
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PR.  "The judge wouldn't let us present our defense" is a lot less likely to gain sympathy than "the judge wouldn't let us put on a witness who would prove the victim was lying".

 
massraider said:
Freaking guy has admitted what he was doing.  He admitted giving them drugs!

And people are talking about a money grab.  
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But he didn't say he gave them drugs without them knowing it.  "Hey, baby I have some great drugs--want to have some fun?" isn't rape.  If it was, half the guys I went to college with would be rapists.

 
apalmer said:
But he didn't say he gave them drugs without them knowing it.  "Hey, baby I have some great drugs--want to have some fun?" isn't rape.  If it was, half the guys I went to college with would be rapists.
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If the attempt to convince them to have sex came after they took the drugs, I have bad news for you. 

 
He's going to be retried ... a mistrial is not an acquital.

Most here know that, but I wanted that clear for anyone who might be seeing on social media that Bill Cosby beat the charge.

 
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