Bill Nye To Debate Creationist At Creation Museum February 4th (1 Viewer)

[joffer]

No, but I'm under the impression that a lot of people will suggest their lack of religious belief owes itself to "scientific thought".

I'm sure there are some that have been led away from religion by Science continuing to fill in more of the "how we got here" story. So? Why does the puzzle have to be 100% complete before coming to the realization that the supernatural isn't necessary?

Science hasn't filled in the how we got here story. It's about 0% complete on that.

Ok. I'm done.

 

[joffer]

The problem I have with science is the beginning. How can something be made of nothing. How did the universe originate? You can't make something from nothing, can you? How did matter originate?

Science isn't the beginning, it explains the beginning without requiring faith.

how does it not require faith?

There are different degrees of faith. The "all of the evidence we have points to X" kind of faith, and then there is the "I don't know so it must have been an invisible dude in clouds" kind of faith.

But we don't have any real evidence on how matter became life. Just a bunch of wild guesses.

Correct. What Science doesn't do is fill in what it can't explain yet with the supernatural. That's an argument from ignorance.

No, instead they fill in the gaps with "the power of infinity".

Gotta assume you're trolling at this point.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

The problem I have with science is the beginning. How can something be made of nothing. How did the universe originate? You can't make something from nothing, can you? How did matter originate?

a) quantum physics has some interesting hypotheses. Is it so hard to say we don't know yet?b) see a)

c) see b)

d) see c)I'd suggest A Universe from Nothing by Lawrence Krauss.

The world was flat, then we discovered it wasn't

The universe was static and eternal, now we know it isn't

We couldn't explain bio-diversity, now we can.

Science doesn't abhor mysteries, it embraces them.

This is the difference between scientific thinking and religious thinking:

Science: We really don't know the answer to this mystery....YET. So we're going to keep looking until we do find an answer.

Religion: We really don't know the answer to this mystery so it must be the work of God!

Ruling out one possible explanation without concrete evidence to support it isn't exactly scientific, but this is what many people who supposedly use "scientific thought" do today.

Wat

How can you prove that God doesn't exist and didn't have a hand in creating the universe and life?

Seriously?

 

[tonydead]

We execute people in this country based on evidence. When the evidence is overwhelming I don't like to call it faith anymore.

 

[Scoresman]

No, but I'm under the impression that a lot of people will suggest their lack of religious belief owes itself to "scientific thought".

I'm sure there are some that have been led away from religion by Science continuing to fill in more of the "how we got here" story. So? Why does the puzzle have to be 100% complete before coming to the realization that the supernatural isn't necessary?

Science hasn't filled in the how we got here story. It's about 0% complete on that.

Let me guess, you're not a real doctor, are you.

 

[DrJ]

The problem I have with science is the beginning. How can something be made of nothing. How did the universe originate? You can't make something from nothing, can you? How did matter originate?

Science isn't the beginning, it explains the beginning without requiring faith.

how does it not require faith?

There are different degrees of faith. The "all of the evidence we have points to X" kind of faith, and then there is the "I don't know so it must have been an invisible dude in clouds" kind of faith.

But we don't have any real evidence on how matter became life. Just a bunch of wild guesses.

Correct. What Science doesn't do is fill in what it can't explain yet with the supernatural. That's an argument from ignorance.

No, instead they fill in the gaps with "the power of infinity".

Gotta assume you're trolling at this point.

I assume you haven't thought this through all too much.

 

[tonydead]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

 

[DrJ]

No, but I'm under the impression that a lot of people will suggest their lack of religious belief owes itself to "scientific thought".

I'm sure there are some that have been led away from religion by Science continuing to fill in more of the "how we got here" story. So? Why does the puzzle have to be 100% complete before coming to the realization that the supernatural isn't necessary?

Science hasn't filled in the how we got here story. It's about 0% complete on that.

Let me guess, you're not a real doctor, are you.

Because you guys don't understand science?

 

[DrJ]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

It is if we want to make the assertion he doesn't exist based on scientific evidence.

 

[Sabertooth]

But how much of the puzzle has science really filled in? 1% 10%

 

[tonydead]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

It is if we want to make the assertion he doesn't exist based on scientific evidence.

Who's made that assertion?

 

[Scoresman]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

It is if we want to make the assertion he doesn't exist based on scientific evidence.

nobody's making this assertion.

 

[Sabertooth]

No, but I'm under the impression that a lot of people will suggest their lack of religious belief owes itself to "scientific thought".

I'm sure there are some that have been led away from religion by Science continuing to fill in more of the "how we got here" story. So? Why does the puzzle have to be 100% complete before coming to the realization that the supernatural isn't necessary?

Science hasn't filled in the how we got here story. It's about 0% complete on that.

Ok. I'm done.

liar

 

[tonydead]

But how much of the puzzle has science really filled in? 1% 10%

Most of your questions can be answered by reading a book or even google. Save us some time here and do your research first.

 

[joffer]

But how much of the puzzle has science really filled in? 1% 10%

Depends on how you want to define it. Science hasn't explained 1) a plank time prior to the Big Bang, and 1) the moment the first self-replicating molecule formed.

 

[Sabertooth]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

It is if we want to make the assertion he doesn't exist based on scientific evidence.

nobody's making this assertion.

what assertion are you making anyway?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

But how much of the puzzle has science really filled in? 1% 10%

Depends on how you want to define it. Science hasn't explained 1) a plank time prior to the Big Bang, and 1) the moment the first self-replicating molecule formed.

Must be a giant bearded man in the sky then.

 

[Sabertooth]

But how much of the puzzle has science really filled in? 1% 10%

Most of your questions can be answered by reading a book or even google. Save us some time here and do your research first.

 

[James Daulton]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

 

[Scoresman]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

It is if we want to make the assertion he doesn't exist based on scientific evidence.

nobody's making this assertion.

what assertion are you making anyway?

that the packers suck

 

[Sabertooth]

But how much of the puzzle has science really filled in? 1% 10%

Depends on how you want to define it. Science hasn't explained 1) a plank time prior to the Big Bang, and 1) the moment the first self-replicating molecule formed.

Must be a giant bearded man in the sky then.

i prefer to to think of it as "it might be a giant bearded man in the sky."

 

[joffer]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

Please go watch the most recent GOP Texas gubernatorial debateEdit: or read the Louisiana Science Education Act and Bobby Jindal's thoughts on it.

 

[Sabertooth]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

It is if we want to make the assertion he doesn't exist based on scientific evidence.

nobody's making this assertion.

what assertion are you making anyway?

that the packers suck

13 time NFL Champs....lol. Try again.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They certainly will for any children they teach this pap too.

 

[Scoresman]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

It becomes an issue when the people who believe in this stuff fight to get it taught in public schools as fact. Then it starts to potentially impact others. I don't think anyone cares what anyone else believes on their own. That's not the issue.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

 

[Sabertooth]

There is a ton of #### taught in public schools that isn't true.

 

[joffer]

There is a ton of #### taught in public schools that isn't true.

One thing at a time, GB

 

[James Daulton]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

It becomes an issue when the people who believe in this stuff fight to get it taught in public schools as fact. Then it starts to potentially impact others. I don't think anyone cares what anyone else believes on their own. That's not the issue.

But to be realistic, there's not a creationism wave sweeping the country. Sure there are pockets, like the Amish and Mormans, but so what? They're not hurting anything. No one actually believes that science will actually be removed from text books and teaching, do they?

 

[James Daulton]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

 

[TobiasFunke]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

Those of us who believe in evolution should be able to allow people to believe on faith whatever they choose.

Correspondingly, those who believe in creationism should just allow that if they believe that God sets things up lead us to believe that the world was old or that life evolved or whatever, science is simply the pursuit of whatever truth God wants people to uncover and leave it at that. Live and let live. No need to force the teaching of faith in science classes, where the topic is the pursuit of either truth or God's illusion of truth, if you prefer to see it that way. Either way it has the same utility to students. Case closed.

I believe Futurama addressed this pretty well in the Clockwork Origin episode. As always, perspective is best found in animated programming.

 

[joffer]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

It becomes an issue when the people who believe in this stuff fight to get it taught in public schools as fact. Then it starts to potentially impact others. I don't think anyone cares what anyone else believes on their own. That's not the issue.

But to be realistic, there's not a creationism wave sweeping the country. Sure there are pockets, like the Amish and Mormans, but so what? They're not hurting anything. No one actually believes that science will actually be removed from text books and teaching, do they?

40% of the population = pocketI repeat, The Louisiana Science Education Act.

 

[igbomb]

There is a ton of #### taught in public schools that isn't true.

So more crap being taught is ok?

 

[Scoresman]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

Those of us who believe in evolution should be able to allow people to believe on faith whatever they choose.

Correspondingly, those who believe in creationism should just allow that if they believe that God sets things up lead us to believe that the world was old or that life evolved or whatever, science is simply the pursuit of whatever truth God wants people to uncover and leave it at that. Live and let live. No need to force the teaching of faith in science classes, where the topic is the pursuit of either truth or God's illusion of truth, if you prefer to see it that way. Either way it has the same utility to students. Case closed.

I believe Futurama addressed this pretty well in the Clockwork Origin episode. As always, perspective is best found in animated programming.

So you'd be ok with your child getting taught Creationism as fact in a public school? Live and let live is exactly what the religious fanatics should be doing instead of pushing Creationism into public schools.

 

[igbomb]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

This isn't a very logically sound position.

 

[joffer]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

You aware of how far the US has fallen behind in science education metrics?

 

[TobiasFunke]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

Those of us who believe in evolution should be able to allow people to believe on faith whatever they choose.

Correspondingly, those who believe in creationism should just allow that if they believe that God sets things up lead us to believe that the world was old or that life evolved or whatever, science is simply the pursuit of whatever truth God wants people to uncover and leave it at that. Live and let live. No need to force the teaching of faith in science classes, where the topic is the pursuit of either truth or God's illusion of truth, if you prefer to see it that way. Either way it has the same utility to students. Case closed.

I believe Futurama addressed this pretty well in the Clockwork Origin episode. As always, perspective is best found in animated programming.

So you'd be ok with your child getting taught Creationism as fact in a public school? Live and let live is exactly what the religious fanatics should be doing instead of pushing Creationism into public schools.

I think I said exactly the opposite of that in the bolded. It has no place in public school. Creationists who believe that carbon dating and evidence of the evolution of species are just misdirections or whatever should view the teaching of those subjects as simply the teaching of the truth that God wanted us to perceive for whatever reason (to test faith or whatever). Whether you think that's the ultimate truth or not doesn't matter- there's still the same benefit to understanding it.

 

[James Daulton]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

This isn't a very logically sound position.

I'm trying to be realistic. While there may be pockets where creationism is in the majority, is it really a threat to the rest of the country? If anything, our country is getting more liberal and less religious.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The debate will continue forever until science offers a better explanation that "if you have enough monkeys and enough typewriters..."

The debate will continue until adults grasp the basic understanding of science that your average 6th grader is taught.

 

[James Daulton]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

You aware of how far the US has fallen behind in science education metrics?

Don't tell me you attribute that to folks who believe in creationism.

 

[igbomb]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

This isn't a very logically sound position.

I'm trying to be realistic. While there may be pockets where creationism is in the majority, is it really a threat to the rest of the country? If anything, our country is getting more liberal and less religious.

But while that is happening, there has been a big increase in the chunk of religious that believe in silly things like Young Earth. And yes, it is a problem in pockets. There are kids in southern states and homeschoolers all over the country that are being taught some ridiculous perspectives found on lies.

 

[tonydead]

There is a ton of #### taught in public schools that isn't true.

You should change your username to "strawman"

 

[joffer]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

You aware of how far the US has fallen behind in science education metrics?

Don't tell me you attribute that to folks who believe in creationism.

I attribute it to many things, this being one. This isn't 5 guys in Mississippi, it's over 100 million people according to recent polling.

 

[James Daulton]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

This isn't a very logically sound position.

I'm trying to be realistic. While there may be pockets where creationism is in the majority, is it really a threat to the rest of the country? If anything, our country is getting more liberal and less religious.

But while that is happening, there has been a big increase in the chunk of religious that believe in silly things like Young Earth. And yes, it is a problem in pockets. There are kids in southern states and homeschoolers all over the country that are being taught some ridiculous perspectives found on lies.

Again, I doubt it's a threat to you, me, or our country.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

There is a ton of #### taught in public schools that isn't true.

Name one.

 

[Sabertooth]

There is a ton of #### taught in public schools that isn't true.

You should change your username to "strawman"

you should look up what that means.

 

[joffer]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

This isn't a very logically sound position.

I'm trying to be realistic. While there may be pockets where creationism is in the majority, is it really a threat to the rest of the country? If anything, our country is getting more liberal and less religious.

But while that is happening, there has been a big increase in the chunk of religious that believe in silly things like Young Earth. And yes, it is a problem in pockets. There are kids in southern states and homeschoolers all over the country that are being taught some ridiculous perspectives found on lies.

Again, I doubt it's a threat to you, me, or our country.

You have your causes. I have mine.

 

[igbomb]

The funny thing is that this topic may draw the most non-female related passion of any topic this board sees. However, if you looked at the actual number of people on this board who seem to actually believe in a young earth, that number is very small. Why can't we just let people believe what they want to believe? How does it impact anyone here? Young earth believers are clearly not holding back scientific discovery in this country.

They vote. Big problem.

If it's such a big problem, how has science advanced as far and rapidly as it has?

This isn't a very logically sound position.

I'm trying to be realistic. While there may be pockets where creationism is in the majority, is it really a threat to the rest of the country? If anything, our country is getting more liberal and less religious.

But while that is happening, there has been a big increase in the chunk of religious that believe in silly things like Young Earth. And yes, it is a problem in pockets. There are kids in southern states and homeschoolers all over the country that are being taught some ridiculous perspectives found on lies.

Again, I doubt it's a threat to you, me, or our country.

I'm not arguing that it is. But I still think it's not fair to the kids who are being taught this tripe and would advocate that it stop.

 

[matuski]

And it's not science's job to disprove the existence of God, fairies, unicorns or ghosts.

It is if we want to make the assertion he doesn't exist based on scientific evidence.

Nobody is doing that.

 

[jdoggydogg]

The problem I have with science is the beginning. How can something be made of nothing. How did the universe originate? You can't make something from nothing, can you? How did matter originate?

Science isn't the beginning, it explains the beginning without requiring faith.

how does it not require faith?

Science doesn't require faith. It requires evidence. Until that evidence is disproven, it's still evidence.

1faith

noun \ˈfāth\

: strong belief or trust in someone or something

: belief in the existence of God : strong religious feelings or beliefs

: a system of religious beliefs