Bills Fake FG: Special Teams TD or not? (1 Viewer)

[GregR_2]

The special teams unit is on the field and the punter throws a TD pass to a defensive end. Come on, that's a special teams TD.

HUH? The ST unit wasnt on the field, the offense was...the OL was there with some blocking TEs, the ball was snapped to the QB(holder), who handed off to the RB(Moorman), who threw to the WR(Denney)...looks right to me?

if its a pass its an offensive play...how anyone can argue otherwise I dont understand...but carry on...

i'm confused. first of all the field goal unit is a special team, no? second moorman received the snap and then threw for a TD.i dont think anyone is saying this isnt an offensive play, of course it is. what i'm saying is ITS AN OFFENSIVE TD SCORED BY THE SPECIAL TEAMS. that is the plain and simple, black and white way to put it. whats wrong with giving special teams credit for this in FF? i for one woud rather see all points in a game scored in FF somehow. if ST's doesnt get credit no one does.

This has been said a few times, but if you want to do this, you need to define what "SPECIAL TEAMS" means.Just saying the words isn't enough. Is it the identities of the players that identify it as SPECIAL TEAMS? If so, where does that list of players come from? I've never seen a depth chart for special teams. Is it the presence on the field of a guy listed on an NFL roster as a punter or kicker (where if the punter is hurt and a WR punts for him, it isn't special teams now)? Is it the formation they line up in? If so, what formations are special teams? What if they shift formations pre-snap, is it only the final formation they line up in that matters? What if they run a kick from a normal offensive formation? And/or with the normal offensive players (i.e. quick kick or Doug Flutie's drop kick)? What if they line up for a field goal, but it's the normal 1st string offense in there doing it and they run a normal offensive play out of it? What if the defense sends their punt return unit on the field and the offense sends the 1st string offense? What if the offense sends their punting team and the defense sends in a 4-3 defense?

That is what the people arguing these things should be scored as special teams play keep not addressing. The rest of us already realized at some point in the past that we had to define it clearly SOMEHOW. And there aren't a lot of clear, concise definitions that are easy to consistently apply other than defining it by the play actually run, so that is what many leagues finally went with.

If you want to do it some other way, fine, do it. But your league should not accept a rule that the presence of a special team's unit makes it a special teams play if you can't define clearly for all situations what makes a group of 11 players a special team's unit, and if your stat service can't make available to your league the info you'd need to apply that definition.